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[Menalque]

I think her actions conflict with what I would expect of a town!JK which is to try and make saves not to create a shitton of ambiguity in the gamestate by generating ambiguous guilties and softclears

This is silly.

JKs should aim for blocks, not aim for saves.

Blocks create guilties - its like nobody would expect this person to be NK'd.

Saves create ambiguity - if a save is actually a block, it means you cleared somebody bad.

This is literally, literally the opposite of what recommended play is: you play as a doctor early game then shift to playing as a roleblocker late game

[Smoke and Mirrors]

This is literally, literally the opposite of what recommended play is: you play as a doctor early game then shift to playing as a roleblocker late game

It feels like you want to be right more than you want to catch bad guys here :3

[Something_Smart]

Whether she follows the recommended play doesn't matter. Like I said it's not like she's incapable of determining how she'd play it as town.

[Menalque]

Oh this is embarrassing, that’s not actually what the wiki article says

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper

[Menalque]

I correctly remembered the bit about it being much stronger when there are less players around but it doesn’t actually explicitly recommend using it as a doctor in the early game, I think I must have mixed it up with another role

[Menalque]

All of this resonated with me and felt like he was really trying to solve/towny indignation at being scumread for a bad reason/the “well I’m not” when I said I’d vindicated with his redflip had towny “you’re a fucking idiot” energy which is not clearing as scum can make those posts but like idk if peta is that good at scum tonally and in conjunction with the other bits it really feels more like town

There’s one big thing giving me pause which is the post he made a page ago trying absolve Dave but mostly he feels confused and a bit frustrated and tired and trying to put things together and finding they don’t fit. Which is, uh, my feelings almost to a T

have you never played with scum!peta before?

No, why?

[Menalque]

Have you?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

No, why?

It doesn't sound like you have a lot of respect for his scum game if you are willing to flip him to town based on just that so I'm confused whether this is a real thought or you just realized you need to switch tacks because you are losing the 1v1.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Have you?

yup

he shot me on night 1 when i was his scum partner and didn't even give me a headsup.

he used the town-cred from that move to win the game.

[Menalque]

Oh

[Menalque]

VOTE: peta

[Menalque]

That substantially increases the odds of Dave-peta being a gambit then

[Menalque]

Have you?

yup

he shot me on night 1 when i was his scum partner and didn't even give me a headsup.

he used the town-cred from that move to win the game.

Incidentally, which game was this?

[Menalque]

No, why?

It doesn't sound like you have a lot of respect for his scum game if you are willing to flip him to town based on just that so I'm confused whether this is a real thought or you just realized you need to switch tacks because you are losing the 1v1.

Guess you’ll find out when I flip :3

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Incidentally, which game was this?

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=84227

[Smoke and Mirrors]

That substantially increases the odds of Dave-peta being a gambit then

?

what gambit?

[Menalque]

Incidentally, the day never looks like this if I am scum lol

I don’t get my partners to defend me knowing that if we flip a town, then I look awful and die tomorrow and then they prob die for defending me

I get them to bus the ever loving fuck out of me and to go for the win in 5p after using tomorrow to elim a slot doing nothing or who was defending me

[petapan]

it was a marathon game, i don't have a real completed longform game on here since i came back. i replaced into a scum slot in newbie 2033, but it was a slot where i got immediately guiltied by a tracker and fought in a losin counterclaim. but i certainly can summon up that bile as scum, still, and you kind of get an example of that there

[Menalque]

That substantially increases the odds of Dave-peta being a gambit then

?

what gambit?

Peta is claiming that he went for 1s watcher, which Dave has claimed as a role

I was originally wondering if neither 1s watcher nor doc were in the game, and that’s why scum were hesitant to go for, for example, skitter in the early game — bc they only knew about the watcher not being present, not about the doc

Peta’s claim means that Dave (imo the obviously correct choice to flip on play out of the “possible redirector” slots) was safe, and it loved onto being between (me, S_S, infinity, him)

I was thinking my townflip would look v bad for Dave and peta here and the way they’re tied together would definitely sink the other if the one is scum, but if peta has made plays like that before then he probably is confident enough as scum to make a play like that and to try and win in 7

[petapan]

fwiw if i were to gambit with claims here i don't do one that ties me to my partner so obviously and i probably just claim cop with a guilty for the free elim?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Peta is claiming that he went for 1s watcher, which Dave has claimed as a role

I was originally wondering if neither 1s watcher nor doc were in the game, and that’s why scum were hesitant to go for, for example, skitter in the early game — bc they only knew about the watcher not being present, not about the doc

Peta’s claim means that Dave (imo the obviously correct choice to flip on play out of the “possible redirector” slots) was safe, and it loved onto being between (me, S_S, infinity, him)

I was thinking my townflip would look v bad for Dave and peta here and the way they’re tied together would definitely sink the other if the one is scum, but if peta has made plays like that before then he probably is confident enough as scum to make a play like that and to try and win in 7

This might as well be written in French Mena.

Can you explain it like I'm 11?

[petapan]

i've made somewhat gutsy plays as scum before but one like that just seems like -EV especially when it puts me in a thunderdome with people who are getting townread

[Infinity 324]

Pooky, do me a favor and ISO mena around 1652 (after your slot claimed JK on mena after the no kill) and tell me what you think of those posts.

[Menalque]

i've made somewhat gutsy plays as scum before but one like that just seems like -EV especially when it puts me in a thunderdome with people who are getting townread

...you mean S_S/infinity of whom one is also quite mixed feelings?

[petapan]

pooky are you gonna hold the specter of that game over me for all time or are you gonna acually try to read me this game