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I've specifically stated to people more than anyone on this site that you are both a) readable and b) not to be underestimated.

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You've been on site nearly 7 years, same as me, but you even got a few months over me. Boonskiies is June 2014.

You have a completely established act, and it works.

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ugh, my gut says DGB so much here though. She is charming and smart and tricksy!

Well, Not Mafia/DGB is possible, but I'm pretty locked in on Not Mafia right now. The points he is making look good on paper, but he's definitely trying to weasel his way out of being faded.

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VP/DGB confirmed not team legitimately now?

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DGB disappears every time I vote Not Mafia, and it makes me so nervous.

I need a warning LOL

I ate a sandwich and took a shower!

FUCK FOOD TELL

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I replaced into Betrayal of the House, and claimed I went away to make a grilled cheese sandwhich, and I got food tell yelled at me, and I was scum (i replaced into a deadslot like Day 4, it was like mechanically confirmed scum)

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@VPB what flipped you on DGB?

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What?

alt slip, sorry.

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FL trying to rob the Scummies LOL

Boonskiies got it for Game of the Year, Flavor for the Scum Player of the Year.

I also was part of the Kodak Moment winning group.

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So you wanna fade DGB?

Not Mafia/DGB being the team makes sense to me.

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I think I still prefer Not Mafia today. I want my FN to have a chance to go through.

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It also doesn't lose us the game if the team is A50/Not Mafia.

I did get a smidgen of paranoia for VP/Not Mafia again, but I'm trying not to think about that since I'm pushing Not Mafia anyways.

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It also doesn't lose us the game if the team is A50/Not Mafia.

but it does if it's you and DGB. This is my paranoia scenario.

fair.

That was scum's initial plan, I feel. I thought DGB was scum the majority of this game, it's really just been today. Yesterday at the end of the day, they said they town read me, and they keep being confused about whenever I say scum was tying me to Dkk-DGB, and I genuinely do see the Dkk-DGB ties, but since I know I was tied to Dkk (like I said, I threw them the rope, but still) I could see it happening there.

Infinity did die the night DGB was getting targeted. =/

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At least you're towning it up again.

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One of us die tonight, VP. it's gonna be a 50/50 with DGB versus A50.

If I die, that indicates A50.

If you die, that indicates DGB.

That could be played with, but occam's razor doesn't usually effect going into that final 3. I think it's safe to say we kill Not Mafia, it's likely going to be you 3 in the finals.

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I could see a No Kill potential, though, which puts me in the decision maker spot tomorrow, but that's super risky. I'm quite good on the final 3/4 slot.

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im here btw.

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posting so you guys can hammer check me

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post

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VPB post and confirm us as not the team.

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he is scum. it's a matter of who he is scum with.

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yeah, we're confirmed not the team.

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it feels like scum tried this entire game to make sure I was in a position where I could be faded. They made a hard mistake trying to play with me like that. I think me targeting Dkk was like me throwing a bait rope without even knowing it.

Scum also knew for a fact I wasn't Loyal because Dkk got my message.

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I tried to act like I was so I would potentially get targeted for a Night Kill over PR's with stronger actions, like over Infinity.

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VOTE: DGB

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damn, look at how close that was.

all in the same exact minute.

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Okay.

VOTE: DGB

Let's talk VP, how can I convince you to join me on this?

Finally someone gets it.

Every time I try to re-do my reads I circle back to DGB+FL. Every bloody single time. She didn't even wait for the day to develop before she claimed her fake guilty on Infinity, which is NOT how Town gambits work AT ALL.

VOTE: DGB

Let's see if FL hammers his partner here for the Town cred.

VOTE: DGB

UNVOTE:

hot damn. all in the same minute.

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I am also Vanilla.

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Yeah, same.

Let's talk about how our only PR was Dkk as Multitasking Mailman for a second...

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I also wanna say I spent the night talking to Dkk about how we don't need to send a message.]

That was like the majority of the talk in the scum PT, tbh.

Oh, that was rough. Dkk did get a nice pocket and tied DGB together nicely. Felt so much more comfortable in the game thread, though, once they died.

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We didn't get talk to each other pre-game because A50 and I both replaced in Day 1, so Dkk came in yelling at me so hard Night 1 for almost getting them faded. Lol.

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Jackson gave the opening with his Universal Backup claim, and then him saying "ScumFL never kills me here".

Not Mafia also gave away that he had just targeted Jackson, so it was the perfect storm.

With Kkoba gone, and us in the final 5, it reset this game almost completely.

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I felt like most of this game was me making sure Dkk didn't out us.

I thought for sure DKK was spewing VPB as hard hard town yesterday.

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I specifically wanted to bring Not Mafia and VP into the finals. I made sure to set the game up for it.

There's about 12 pages of scum PT.

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I like to play in a little wink wink way to the people watching also, puts on a show for them, ya know.

I bet Andres loved watching this.

Kkoba tried so hard to kill Andres Night 1.

I just needed Andres to make a statement like the one he did about DGB/DKK/FL solve.

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I specifically wanted to bring Not Mafia and VP into the finals. I made sure to set the game up for it.

There's about 12 pages of scum PT.

Why VP?

I had nurtured them since the beginning of the game, and established a dynamic, and they were feuding in a way. I also knew one of them would be the one to throw down the incorrect vote

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The Friendly Neighbor plan was originally supposed to be A50 and I, but in the middle of the day, I felt like I didn't want to tie him and I together like that, and then Dkk kept town reading me hard anyways.

Y'all, Dkk hard defended every single push I made on Day 2. That was so rough.

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My mafia-self-esteem is officially in the dumps!!!!!

Haha, same! I don't know if I can win a game anymore.

The infinity/taylor/vp fight was my downfall and scum didn't have to do much there. We all tunneled each other out of existence.

I lead that, I don't know what you're talking about there.

I was fueling fires, and extinguishing ones I didn't want burning nonstop.

If it wasn't for me, you probably would have died.

It happened because I claimed Friendly Neighbor and acted like I was loyal, so Dkk and I were never in question on Day 2.

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The lack of daytalk would have made me crazy as scum.

It helped that A50 and I don't need to talk to know what the other's thinking at this point.

And we would have just been yelling at Dkk all game if there was daytalk.

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I won a scum game a day and a half ago too. I think this is scum victory #7 this year? I'll have to do a count soon.

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Still was a fun game regardless. Thanks for playing everyone.

pedit @ FL- I mean maybe, that's not really how I perceived it. The reason I got involved in that is because infinity and taylor were 'locktown' reading each other for BS reasons and then trying to gang up on me with bad reasoning. It stank of scum duping someone who they play with a lot.

I think a hard thing with coming back is I am at zero experience with most people I play with. So it's hard to know people's personalities and what their weak/strong points are.

You're gonna get Flavor Fever after this and scum read me when you play with townMe next.

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really fun game.

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Kkoba and I were the highest posters this game, too.

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Dkk is like an energetic puppy that, yeah, you can hold them back on the leash, but the fact that you have to is something in its own right.

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Okay.

VOTE: DGB

Let's talk VP, how can I convince you to join me on this?

Finally someone gets it.

Every time I try to re-do my reads I circle back to DGB+FL. Every bloody single time. She didn't even wait for the day to develop before she claimed her fake guilty on Infinity, which is NOT how Town gambits work AT ALL.

VOTE: DGB

Let's see if FL hammers his partner here for the Town cred.

VOTE: DGB

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hot damn. all in the same minute.

still can't get over this snipe.

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with No Day Talk

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No retractions necessary here.

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Nah, you were fine. It's your playstyle. You got the DGB tie together which became essential.

We were the top 2 highest post count as scum, that's something.

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I don't think A50 was ever going down this game, tbh.

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I spent the entire game making sure that Day 4 7p lylo was going to have everyone open for misfade, but then said we might lose Kkoba eventually, then the 5p lylo became the one everyone was open for misfade.

I said Day 3 was going to be the hardest day this game, and it was.

As I said in the scum PT...

You just HAD to send then mail, didn't ya!??!!? Lol, no, that was fine, it got Marky Mark faded.

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To be fair, i tried my hardest to make it make logical sense in the moment to fade Marky Mark that day.

Andres gave that small crack of opening, and I powered through with it.

It's all about setting up for that final day.

Yeah, Andres gave a lot of pressure. If I wasn't trying to manage him from Day 1, that could have been really rough.

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Yeah, Dkk called out Taylor for being Votato in scum PT, then a couple days later I saw them get banned.

The scum game that ended for me that I won yesterday, I called out my Lylo plan on Night 1 as well too. Looks like I'm back, baby

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I don't think A50 was ever going down this game, tbh.

This would have been the sticking point. He was just so absent all game it would have been hard to pick out.

Perhaps if DGB had helped me yeet Koba over Marky, I would have seen her as obv town and the lim pool would have been a hell of a lot smaller.

Yeah, in hindsight, A50 is correct that logically, fading Dkk was the right move that day phase, but we made sure to make it logically make sense to go Marky.

The scum game that I won yesterday, I got the quote in my sig "Flavor is the type of person who can sell a camel its own teeth." Our day play pressure and gamestate control was our strength this game.

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We looped in logic and reasoning to make sure Marky made sense as the fade there. In hindsight, yes, it looks incredibly weird, but on the day, and in the arena itself, it became almost undeniably certain Marky had to be the fade that day.

That's why in dead threads and spectating it's easier to see scum, which is why I'll give ya a little wink wink in the dead thread. Play the players in the game.

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Mafia kinda assed their way to a victory ngl, Mark should have never been eliminated especially when scum would never do that play outside of LyLo as I said, FL/Koba's gambit was too risky to ever be a viable play in practice especially if you have zero hints on what Town PRs are, A50 buried their ass all the way to oblivion and yet still wasn't eliminated for some reason lmfao. FL was openwolfing from the moment they suspected me of being scum forcing a 1v1 with them, also it was scummy 3p hunting with the Traitor bs. Them also dipping in and out of a loyal claim was scummy as all fuck and is probably what made me lock them as wolf buddies when Koba died.

It was a good game regardless, kinda salty my hard work died off lmfao. I also put suspicion on N_M when I saw their claim not because I SR them but because I wanted them alive more. I probably(?) read Koba as scum for the wrong reasons or whatever the term is because I mainly get my strong SRs off of gut mainly as I said and I was still suspecting FL even when they were "conftown" which is a bit telling of how well they did as scum in this game (in ways to say lackluster compared to what I expect of them ngl). I'm no god at Mafia at all I'm just saying how I see it.

Either way grats to the Mafia and punches in the face to all Town including myself.

Once you read the scum thread, this entire game went 100% exactly how I said it was going to go, down to the Day 3 hardest day. My Day 4 got delayed, but the entire plan was there.

I do that Loyal dance every town game I'm in, so it actually was meta certifiably strong.

And there's a reason you died.

You messed up by claiming your Universal Backup, but A50 had you pegged as a PR, he thought you were the protective, I called the post he read you as PR on as more likely for you to be investigative, which ended up being correct.

So we didn't have zero hints. We knew what we were working with, and we knew there wasn't going to be a ton of town PR's based on us just having Kkoba.

Your biggest mistake was saying "FL Scum Never kills me here" which I made you take that statement to the grave with you which indirectly counters you.

I don't mind open wolfing, because I got the gift of gab. I said I open wolfed in the scum PT.


It's much easier to see the game when you aren't playing from the inside anymore, and that's what I took advantage of.

I nurtured my NM and VP dynamic all the way to the final 5, and Not Mafia felt like I was scum, yet still couldn't bring himself to vote me.

That's the power of actively thinking about who and why you are pocketing.

I also set up Andres in a situation where he could run at me like a bull, but I had a defense ready because I was trolling him all game with the "Andres knows I'm town."

Jackson was discredited because I was using you as a scapegoat scum read to fit into all the slots, and then killed you off after you gave me the gamefic statement that wouldn't incriminate me.


Gamma killed Night 1 because he would have known this was FL shenanigans going on, and I wanted to claim Day 2.

I shut Andres coming after me on Day 2 with that FN claim, and Dkkoba and Myself got to sit around all Day 2 untouchable while we add fuel to every single one of your fires.

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I also actively was going "hey look over here everybody" while pickpocketing people when they were distracted.

I personally feel really strong about completely controlling any threats to the game, in different ways. VP and NM got buddied. Andres got discredited.

Jackson was pushed as scum. DGB was my fall goat.

I also specifically wanted the Geraint wagon on Day 1, and I got to be off of the wagon completely.

I did everything I said you should do in my scum guide, while making it look like I was doing the exact opposite thing.

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Great modding, Glitch. I like what you said about visually appealing, I think that's super important for the overall feel of the game as well.

You should try designing your own setup, I'd like to see what you do with it.

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Still was a fun game regardless. Thanks for playing everyone.

pedit @ FL- I mean maybe, that's not really how I perceived it. The reason I got involved in that is because infinity and taylor were 'locktown' reading each other for BS reasons and then trying to gang up on me with bad reasoning. It stank of scum duping someone who they play with a lot.

I think a hard thing with coming back is I am at zero experience with most people I play with. So it's hard to know people's personalities and what their weak/strong points are.

Yeah sometimes I just get soulreads on people, it’s hard to trust them because it’s mostly gut but they haven’t been wrong yet so I just trust them. I’d caught taylor as scum twice recently so that strengthened my read too. I knew there was a strong scum player manipulating me I just couldn’t tell who it was.

As Gamma Emerald once said, "If Scum FL sets out to make you town read them, you'll town read them, you just don't know it yet."

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@Infinity - You died because of your potential targeting A50, who made all the Night Kills.

Also, you stated you town read me, and you stated you'd target DGB, so that made DGB look bad in all their interactions with you, alongside you dying made sense to die over me.

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FL how much do you put stock into mimicing your own towngame?

Oh, I can mimic my town game 100% if I wanted to.

If I did, though, I'd get killed. Town me is scummy af.

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So I am a trained actor, I did a lot of nicely paid theatre for a while, but I really wanna work in film (worked on some big time stuff for crew work or background), and I've been writing since I was like 5, so the fact that I have legitimate performance training, social charisma to lead, and excel at writing, honestly, scum me can mimic anything I want. That's why I make so many plays.

Sometimes I'm lazy, though, town me doesn't perform.

Scum Me gets to.

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FL how much do you put stock into mimicing your own towngame?

Oh, I can mimic my town game 100% if I wanted to.

If I did, though, I'd get killed. Town me is scummy af.

Its the fun of almost getting limmed and convincing town you're actually just looking scummy tho!

Well, like I said, I almost got caught out for being too consistent, so I have to purposefully make it look like I'm not consistent. That's why the whole Friendly Neighbor debacle didn't phase me like at all.

I knew I'd be able to target Jackson like that safely, and the Odd-Night claim set me up for that Day 5 safety net.

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Like the scum guide in my sig pretty much explains everything I do as scum on a basic level to make sure I have gamestate control.

I also need players to scum read me. Town Me has an issue of getting Night killed early if I'm not trolling it up (i troll on town for this reason, i had a phase where I was the N1 kill like every game)

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Just gotta play the players you are playing against.

That's why replacements suck, because you aren't setting up for them.

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Encryptor would have been nice in the place of a goon.

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It would have worked well with Role Watcher.

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I mean, you could've won with less than 2 gambits, the only reason you didn't get a perfect win was because you setup specced wrong and didn't think of role watcher

Also idk, bodyguard would've been better imo

I disagree. I was actively trying not to use the Mailman. lol

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As I said in the scum thread, Gera is the only one who called me out Day 1.

It was that moment he signed his death warrant and exactly who I wanted faded that day.

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I feel like A50 and my setup spec went really well, as we called out what types of PRs were in the game, and what was left. Role Watcher made sense, I forgot it got added to the Normal queue, of course, but if we didn't send mail, it wouldn't have been an issue. It also actually went really well with my fake claim.

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Looks a little rough in day, but that's how you keep it genuine. We got every single fade we wanted, every single day phase, down to Not Mafia voting DGB in the finals.'

I think we played a clean scum game, even Kkoba, where in we threw a little artistic flair in the mix just so it didn't look too robotic.

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ohhh, i forgot I had a notes PT, and that I typed that post there. That's the one I was looking for the last night to show to A50, but couldn't find, haha.

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I would like to point out as well, I definitely underestimated Andres this game, and that usually doesn't happen.

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i think you said before Flavor that replacements suck, but they worked in our favor for scum this game the game state was locking into your slot and getting off was looking futile

Like late game replacements who have an outside perspective.

A50 and I both replaced in early Day 1, and had plenty to say on the day, though, so we were essentially here from the beginning.

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I would like to point out as well, I definitely underestimated Andres this game, and that usually doesn't happen.

I think I would have won a 1v1 against you if you kept me around. I was so pumped to do it once Mark flipped Town. Too bad I didn’t get to do it.

I made sure you couldnt get it by killing you. I think you would have gotten me faded as well, but I don’t think A50 ever gets faded this game unless it was by me pushing to go there.