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DGB is backing Koba up here. And they’re all basically tied together. If I’m siding incorrectly, we always lose, because I’m flipped tomorrow and it’s basically game over.

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UNVOTE:

Where is the trap?

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The safest approach is to vote Marky Mark. If Mark flips what he’s claiming, I don’t think we can lose. Because then, you basically have the Team. But c’mon, I’m skeptical that the entire Team is revealing themselves in this way.

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@Andres - we are tying ourselves way too close together for us to be scum here.

Jackson, Not Mafia, and A50 have barely touched this day phase.

Yeah but they can’t all be Scum, since Marky Mark is then outted.

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@Koba but Marky Mark can’t Scumslip given what they implied they were. I really doubt they go through the trouble of saying they would confirm Infinity in the first place if they had no ability to back that up.

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@Koba but Marky Mark can’t Scumslip given what they implied they were. I really doubt they go through the trouble of saying they would confirm Infinity in the first place if they had no ability to back that up.

well when ur scum and ur nightkilling the target..........

But they know there’s other PRs in a game that appears slanted towards investigatives. I would just be careful with that is all I’m saying.

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Koba are you claiming Multitasking Mailman now? Meaning you lied about your claim, outted Mark as a PR, has a role that fits only as a Mafia (NRG would tell the designer to just make it a Mailman).

Why are we not killing that.

Why would Koba target DGB knowing that Marky was going to target there?

I think this confirms Marky Mark is lying.

Why would town!Koba assume mark was telling the truth about being a voyeur/watcher etc?

I feel it’s similar to what I was doing with you. If Marky had claimed they saw the detective and not the messenger, it would have outed them as scum also.

Marky likely figured out what happened throughout Andres pushing and decided to try to get someone that they thought was conf town faded.

But how? It’s a super low probability guess. Koba never even implied to have messaged DGB.

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As in Koba never claimed, and multiple players did not say anything. You obviously rule out both VPB who claimed it coming in, and myself, and Koba is obviously not messaging you again Flavor, but that still leaves half of the game.

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Given the specificity of Mark’s claim, there’s no universe where both Koba and Mark are Town. I am really deeply skeptical of the idea that the Scum Team all revealed themselves to us right here right now. That’s not happening.

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Koba are you claiming Multitasking Mailman now? Meaning you lied about your claim, outted Mark as a PR, has a role that fits only as a Mafia (NRG would tell the designer to just make it a Mailman).

Why are we not killing that.

Why would Koba target DGB knowing that Marky was going to target there?

I think this confirms Marky Mark is lying.

Why would town!Koba assume mark was telling the truth about being a voyeur/watcher etc?

I feel it’s similar to what I was doing with you. If Marky had claimed they saw the detective and not the messenger, it would have outed them as scum also.

Marky likely figured out what happened throughout Andres pushing and decided to try to get someone that they thought was conf town faded.

But how? It’s a super low probability guess. Koba never even implied to have messaged DGB.

again, scum investigatives exist.

No I get it. I’m saying Mark is *definitely* an investigative. I don’t think Mark makes the claim they made or says these things without actually having some ability to back that up (or the Team).

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As in Koba never claimed, and multiple players did not say anything. You obviously rule out both VPB who claimed it coming in, and myself, and Koba is obviously not messaging you again Flavor, but that still leaves half of the game.

VPB is less townie for me right now, which kinda sucks, but it looks like they’re trying to save Marky Mark right now.

Are you saying I was right the prior two days consistently, but since you attacked me so much you managed to warp my view of the game?

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I’m going to definitively say that either Marky Mark/VPB are Scum, or Koba/Flavor/DGB are Scum. If it’s VPB/Mark, then the third Scum really could be anybody, including JV who is being really aggressive. But then Not Mafia is Town, since they have been pushing VPB somewhat consistently.

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I’m fact Not Mafia is probably always Town here.

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I absolutely understand Koba’s logic here again. But then Koba why didn’t you trust me with Tayl0r/Infinity? I’m kind of annoyed we didn’t flip VPB.

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why not FL?

From your message you are 100% town to me.

From behavior today, also Andres.

No one is as town as you two, for me.

If you have Koba as Town as you do, then Flavor should also be Town since they sent a message to Koba literally confirming themselves as Town to Flavor in a mechanical way.

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Yeah.

VOTE: Marky Mark

I don’t see Multitasking Messenger as a thing here, and I don’t see ScummDkk targeting DGB knowing Marky Mark is going to target there.

Yeah I’m going to agree that it’s too big of a giveaway to target the claimed investigative Town target. I don’t buy that Koba would be foolish enough to do that.

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VOTE: Marky Mark

There’s limited downside to this, because then the game is literally solved.

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Andres, you got in my head with Dkk/DGB.

I am not scum with them if Marky is town.

Look if we have it right we can laugh about it postgame.

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saccing oneself to get ur other 2 buddies into lylo is always a good strat if you have them setup. like look, we seriously dont know who mark's partners feasibly could be other than maybe andres

I pushed Mark in the early part of the game pretty consistently because they kept going after you. Unless you thought all of that was distancing, you should go back and look at that.

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@Koba please claim the form in which you got the message that Flavor is Friendly Neighbor. And Town. Is it Mod Confirmed to you in some way?

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Note, I’m not asking for the exact message as that I’m sure is against the rules.

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@Mark I don’t know that I necessarily SR you. Mechanically, one of you and Koba is Scum. But if you’re Town, Flavor is almost by definition also Scum. And given associatives, DGB would have to be flipped at that stage. So have the contours of the entire Scum Team if you’re correct. Which is why it’s useful to flip you to confirm all of this. If you’re Scum, then we really have many players that are a Town core and a Confirmed Town that I’m sure will need to get taken out. So logically, executing you is the right play.

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At worst you end up in ELo at the very end with three players and a chance to win the game. Otherwise, we’ve righted the ship with a lot of solid Town still alive.

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Or at least that’s how I see it. I can also see the argument that DGB isn’t necessarily Scum with Koba and Flavor if you’re Town. But they are literally always Scum if you’re Town. And we can also somewhat clear VPB in that case. It’s an easy way to open up the game.

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^by they I mean Koba/Flavor.

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I did think about what Tayl0r said about your slot. But effectively you’d be siding with VPB who both Tayl0r and Infinity had as their only SR. So that goes both ways.

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Nah Flavor is literally always Scum with Koba if you flip Town. There’s no avoiding that. Flavor under pressure claimed a mechanical verification that Koba backed up on the same day. They’re the same alignment.

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Like Flavor claimed Friendly Neighbor that communicated with Koba. Koba confirmed Flavor is 100% Town both today and yesterday when this was claimed. There’s no other way to interpret this, given your check, than they’re the same alignment. There’s a small universe where Flavor sends this message to Koba who clears Flavor, but is also Scum, but even in that scenario they’ve been so aligned that I doubt that this is happening.

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Obviously Infinity checked Flavor and we know that to have been truthful, so I am willing to clear Flavor completely, and decide between you and Koba now. I would rather force the Scum into a bad position if they’re both Town by nuking you, than taking the chance of executing Koba. And yeah, DGB stood behind Koba to the point that there’s just too many associatives for any of them to get away from consecutive executions if you flip Town. Though you are right, it would be Koba, DGB, Flavor. Given Flavor’s mechanical claim, he can also clear himself to someone outside that group tonight *anyway*.

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So what you get at the end is a chance for Flavor to engage in a 1v1 I think if he survives that long, and really give Town a 50/50 choice. And he can strengthen that by not picking the NK tonight. It’s a very difficult mechanical claim to get away from if you flip Town, so there’s no reason not to just execute Mark here in my humble opinion.

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And besides I know I’m Town right. Koba defended me to Flavor, who really wanted to execute me yesterday. Koba as Scum let’s that happen probably, or at the very least does not protect me nearly as much. How can I TR Koba and not then immediately assume that Flavor and DGB are Town here, and you’re Scum Mark? I can’t right? I’m boxed into this decision for sure.

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Yeah I do think Mark is going to flip Scum now. And I don’t know, I’m hoping that this game isn’t completely lost just yet.

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^don’t think*

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Let’s see. I’m guessing twilight will last until tomorrow?

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Im still town

I mean, if Mark flips Town, then we do have to execute you. Otherwise we’re just silly.

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Wait who claimed that Koba got FMed first. Koba or FL.

If Fl did, it’s possible of scum!Koba and scum!Mark scum team


Assuming that FL is still insisting they’re Loyal

They hard claimed not Loyal.

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Wait who claimed that Koba got FMed first. Koba or FL.

If Fl did, it’s possible of scum!Koba and scum!Mark scum team


Assuming that FL is still insisting they’re Loyal

They hard claimed not Loyal.

Bruh

You’re like so late to this. Read the first part of the day.

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Im still town

I mean, if Mark flips Town, then we do have to execute you. Otherwise we’re just silly.

This presumes that Mark flips exactly what he claimed.

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DGB has WKed DK all game and has pushed me hard D2 based on completely spurious arguments and also killed off the detective about to investigate

I can say the same thing about you <3

Wait who claimed that Koba got FMed first. Koba or FL.

If Fl did, it’s possible of scum!Koba and scum!Mark scum team


Assuming that FL is still insisting they’re Loyal

They hard claimed not Loyal.

Bruh

You’re like so late to this. Read the first part of the day.

Maybe if SOMEONE DIDNT HAMMER I COULD HAVE

Jfc

Well I didn’t hammer so don’t blame me for that. I did vote for Mark with some solid reasoning I think so you should read it and tell me what you think.

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Anyway if this flips Town and what Mark claimed then I’m going to put votes down in a row for Koba into DGB and not going to argue them too aggressively. It should be very obvious that this is what needs to happen.

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I’ll keep my options open on the End Game I think that you can never be too certain what the whole Team looks like.

But definitely Koba. That at least we know.

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I think DGB is also very obvious actually. It really is going to come down to that last vote.

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On the other hand, they’re both cleared if Mark flips Scum. But based on Mark’s posting, I don’t see that. That Tayl0r execution was really bad to be honest.

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Sigh. That Marky Mark yeet really wasn’t as good of an idea as I thought in terms of the upside. I hate that I was right at the beginning of that day and just went back on it. Ugh.

@Flavor that gambit you guys played proved to really move the game in your favor.

Good game Scum. I think Town had good moments, but on balance not a great game for us. Infinity I’m sorry! My read of NotMafia though is my own personal highlight haha

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but the 2 for 1 deal andres :3

It was though! I was on the money about that. But I think DGB dug a really large hole and it ended up being too hard to get out of it.

For the longest time I thought you were being pocketed by VPB. I was a bit sad that it was actually the other way around. Now I know that VPB tunneling a low information slot early in the game isn’t a sign of being Scum haha

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I would like to point out as well, I definitely underestimated Andres this game, and that usually doesn't happen.

I think I would have won a 1v1 against you if you kept me around. I was so pumped to do it once Mark flipped Town. Too bad I didn’t get to do it.