should I be on my own wagon too? I feel I should be...
anyways, it is the 12th today....
oh, give it time. they'll be one arriving shortly....In post 45, Zurel wrote:You have no wagon. But I'm sure one can be made if you ask nicely.In post 42, geraintm wrote:should I be on my own wagon too? I feel I should be...
anyways, it is the 12th today....
VOTE: the golden paradoxIn post 54, TheGoldenParadox wrote:obviously i'm trying to solve other slots i don't do voteparkingIn post 53, Tayl0r Swift wrote:dislike this if you follow through and actually votepark/stop trying to solve other slots for the rest of the dayIn post 49, TheGoldenParadox wrote:nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today
Let me understand this correctly, a post where I say I am sure they'll be a wagon on me soon is scummy?In post 49, TheGoldenParadox wrote:pings me as towni agree with you and you're probably town hereIn post 12, Noraa wrote:Spoiler: nm's shit
If town struggles with a consensus when we are nearing deadline, I want to say this is a very good PL right here. It is goddamn near impossible to read NM. I cannot and unless someone else here can, this is the first lim that we go to if we are PLing.
looks town
the irony- jkjk noraa love youIn post 31, Noraa wrote:*looks at taytay sternly*In post 30, Tayl0r Swift wrote:*waves*
I gets to welcome the newbies >:(
yeah noraa is town
rock also looks town here, and the mod note makes them look townierIn post 43, Rockhopper wrote:So he never vented? That can't be true..In post 39, shellyc wrote:Mod notes:nepenthe has another (expired on 2020-11-13 03:28:34) to remember Mini Normal 2177 exists before I start looking for a replacement.vote: shellyc
I regret to inform you that we cannot launch the user "shellyc", as she is not on the playerlist of this game. -S
don't like herta's openingIn post 21, Herta wrote:Schadd game in the normal queue. Oxymoron.
In post 35, JacksonVirgo wrote:Please count voteIn post 34, JacksonVirgo wrote:VOTE: NORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
NORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAokay this seems like town jackson
this interaction pings me as manufactured and fake s/sgeraintm wrote:oh, give it time. they'll be one arriving shortly....In post 45, Zurel wrote:You have no wagon. But I'm sure one can be made if you ask nicely.In post 42, geraintm wrote:should I be on my own wagon too? I feel I should be...
anyways, it is the 12th today....
nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today
I didn'tIn post 66, Herta wrote:Why you omgus my liege?In post 55, geraintm wrote:VOTE: the golden paradoxIn post 54, TheGoldenParadox wrote:obviously i'm trying to solve other slots i don't do voteparkingIn post 53, Tayl0r Swift wrote:dislike this if you follow through and actually votepark/stop trying to solve other slots for the rest of the dayIn post 49, TheGoldenParadox wrote:nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today
I like that being consistent pays off, I knew it would eventually and this time I am town too!In post 77, Tayl0r Swift wrote:so im just gonna say now that i will not be voting NM or gerain today. they are both players that dont do a whole lot day 1. NM doesnt really do much even after day 1. but they both do contribute in their own ways, especially as the game progresses. and they are far too easy for scum to push for free kills early that give town little to no info, and they are much easier to actually read later on, particularly gerain.
I didn't vote for them because they thought I was scummy. I had reason to vote for themIn post 120, Herta wrote:omgus as in TGP scum read him, so geraintm voted him. Falls into the same theory.In post 118, Zurel wrote:Did you confuse what OMGUS mean, Herta? OMGUS is when you vote someone for voting you. Geraintm didn't vote GoldenParadox because Golden voted him.
then why bother spewing our reads, that, if they are correct is down to pure chance?In post 137, JacksonVirgo wrote:GP is probably scum.
Partners could be nepenthe,Shoshin, Fuzzy,Rockhopper.
Likely 3 scum in total. GP/Fuzzy/Shoshin would be my early game gut-solve. Highly likely wrong
Yes, pretty much. I cannot go big brain on day 1 and ever say I am certain about someone's alignment. I'm not that good a player. Expecting more from me seems impossible.In post 397, Hiraki wrote:like come on man - are you really going to come in here and try to act like there's NOTHING to talk about and you have nothing to do? not to mention whatever the above is trying to say about there not being a lot of votes? what?
i just came from a game where everyone was convnced there must be 4 because town were winnign so easilyIn post 420, Noraa wrote:All mini normals have 3 scum. That not a rule?In post 392, JacksonVirgo wrote:Did you just TMI the scum amount?
i didnt even realise there was an elephant in the room...In post 439, Hiraki wrote:i'm not attacking you, do you feel threatened? clearly if i'm not talking about the elephant in the room but i'm talking about all of the reactions to said elephant, i am ignoring that elephant
This is a vote i don't like.In post 475, Zurel wrote:VOTE: FuzzyLogic
That's the best wagon I can see right now. Everyone else is either my town lean or I can't yet understand why they're voted.
im baffled. I commented on a bad vote by zurel, and you use that as a means of trying to to get me to vote for Golden?In post 481, Noraa wrote:I dont have the exact same reasoning but I didn't like this vote either. Geraint, join me on Golden and end this day. This game is dead and stalling anyways.In post 476, geraintm wrote:This is a vote i don't like.
There was a washy unvote, and then soon after they decide to join a new wagon with zero reasoning. I scrolled through their ISO and couldn't spot any recent mention of fuzzy logic (who I really hope is named after the SFA album).
This has gotten my notice
Theres only two outcomes:
Golden flips red.
This means I was not in fact tunneling for no reason.
Golden flips green.
This means I was stuck on something for no good reason and I will reassess immediately tomorrow and be much more open to new opinions.
Either outcome is good for town.
Due to time? What, 3 days to lynch?In post 520, Hiraki wrote:Unvote, Vote: TheFuzzylogic
Actually, due to time, I'm okay with switching.
yes, that is weirdIn post 529, Noraa wrote:You had a similar view as mine on something. is it weird I assume you might join my thought process somewhere else?
The M is from my surname.In post 543, Not_Mafia wrote:I like how no gets Geraint's name correct even though it's literally just an actual name and an initial
Bull. You have posted how my view on them and yours were the same, that their vote was scummy.In post 545, Noraa wrote:Zurel is pretty meh but I dont sense any scummy vibes at all which could be a red flag but I'm willing to town bin for now.
You thought it enough that I should follow you onto another vote.In post 553, Noraa wrote:yeah but they are a noob. by noob standards, that is nothing.In post 550, geraintm wrote:that their vote was scummy.
In post 582, Noraa wrote:this is misrep. that was not what I said.In post 580, geraintm wrote:You thought it enough that I should follow you onto another vote.
bolded the bit where you say we have the same read on them, and then i should vote for golden. i am not misrepresenting youIn post 481, Noraa wrote:In post 476, geraintm wrote:This is a vote i don't like.
There was a washy unvote, and then soon after they decide to join a new wagon with zero reasoning. I scrolled through their ISO and couldn't spot any recent mention of fuzzy logic (who I really hope is named after the SFA album).
This has gotten my noticeI dont have the exact same reasoning but I didn't like this vote either. Geraint, join me on Golden and end this day.This game is dead and stalling anyways.
Theres only two outcomes:
Golden flips red.
This means I was not in fact tunneling for no reason.
Golden flips green.
This means I was stuck on something for no good reason and I will reassess immediately tomorrow and be much more open to new opinions.
Either outcome is good for town.
um...it wasn't.In post 654, Shoshin wrote:Now, Herta.
1. Herta's first substantive post (66) is calling Gertaint out for "OMGUS." That's typical scum play, throwing out some buzz words without actually analyzing the situation. If you look closer, it was fairly evident that Geraint's vote wasn't OMGUS, it was a surprisingly substantive vote.
well, I don't I don't find them scummythough if that is a thing?
because I don't want to. you really keep asking dumb questions of people, what sort of answers are you expecting?In post 715, Shoshin wrote:Why not vote for Herta, Gerain?
In post 42, geraintm wrote:should I be on my own wagon too? I feel I should be...
anyways, it is the 12th today....
my first post was 42In post 55, geraintm wrote:VOTE: the golden paradoxIn post 54, TheGoldenParadox wrote:obviously i'm trying to solve other slots i don't do voteparkingIn post 53, Tayl0r Swift wrote:dislike this if you follow through and actually votepark/stop trying to solve other slots for the rest of the dayIn post 49, TheGoldenParadox wrote:nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today
if you look how I play, I comment on votes. and this is what I am doing here. the target of the vote isn't (to me) as important as how the person justified the vote.In post 718, Shoshin wrote:The following posts are clear evidence that Geraint believes Fuzzy is town:
In post 476, geraintm wrote:This is a vote i don't like.In post 475, Zurel wrote:VOTE: FuzzyLogic
That's the best wagon I can see right now. Everyone else is either my town lean or I can't yet understand why they're voted.
There was a washy unvote, and then soon after they decide to join a new wagon with zero reasoning. I scrolled through their ISO and couldn't spot any recent mention of fuzzy logic (who I really hope is named after the SFA album).
This has gotten my noticeGeraint attacks two people for voting Fuzzy. This isn't something you do unless you town read Fuzzy.In post 521, geraintm wrote:Due to time? What, 3 days to lynch?In post 520, Hiraki wrote:Unvote, Vote: TheFuzzylogic
Actually, due to time, I'm okay with switching.
This feels like scum needing their vote to be more likely to generate a lynch than their current one
The fact that Geraint now doesn't have a town read on Fuzzy is very concerning.
? I am not sure what the issue is. I need a way to come up with a random vote to start the game. I pick a number, and then let the thread work out who my first random vote should be.In post 726, Tayl0r Swift wrote:thats bordering on provable randomness.
#taylor's post had nothing to do with mine. mine was at the end of a series of posts with them, there was clear progression in my postsIn post 737, Shoshin wrote:In post 548, Tayl0r Swift wrote:who wants a noraa wagon?An interesting sequence here.In post 550, geraintm wrote:Bull. You have posted how my view on them and yours were the same, that their vote was scummy.In post 545, Noraa wrote:Zurel is pretty meh but I dont sense any scummy vibes at all which could be a red flag but I'm willing to town bin for now.
I want to VOTE: noraa[《/v]
nope, no elaboration coming. my thinking is in those posts.In post 735, Shoshin wrote:In post 476, geraintm wrote:This is a vote i don't like.In post 475, Zurel wrote:VOTE: FuzzyLogic
That's the best wagon I can see right now. Everyone else is either my town lean or I can't yet understand why they're voted.
There was a washy unvote, and then soon after they decide to join a new wagon with zero reasoning. I scrolled through their ISO and couldn't spot any recent mention of fuzzy logic (who I really hope is named after the SFA album).
This has gotten my noticeCan you elaborate your logic? What's scummy about voting Fuzzy over Golden?In post 521, geraintm wrote:Due to time? What, 3 days to lynch?In post 520, Hiraki wrote:Unvote, Vote: TheFuzzylogic
Actually, due to time, I'm okay with switching.
This feels like scum needing their vote to be more likely to generate a lynch than their current one
also, because I think what you did was scummy, doesn't mean I can't eliminate the possibility that the person they are voting for isn't also scum. the chances of me being correct are alwas lowIn post 754, Herta wrote:I think you have to understand that just because you don't scum read or town read a particular slot doesn't mean the opposite.In post 718, Shoshin wrote:Geraint attacks two people for voting Fuzzy. This isn't something you do unless you town read Fuzzy.
The fact that Geraint now doesn't have a town read on Fuzzy is very concerning.
Any reason why? Because I know you haven't got a result on me to justify that
So, looking at the herta wagon and how it formed and what happened.
In post 682, JacksonVirgo wrote:We're not flipping Golden, they're TownIn post 416, Noraa wrote:if golden flips red, we are limming you immediately the next day no question.In post 386, Hiraki wrote:I just think that flip turns green rather than red.
In post 683, JacksonVirgo wrote:Seriously? Just because you do something doesn't mean it's normal to do. You're reaching pretty farIn post 421, Noraa wrote:I almost always claim vt as scum bc of this train of thought so absolutely not. Jacko, ur partner equity with golden just went up.In post 393, JacksonVirgo wrote:No, scum would have claimed PR. TGP is townIn post 301, Not_Mafia wrote:Infact, you should vote TGP
also he claimed when
1) he wasn't at E-1
2) no one even declared intent
That's towny behavior?
NU UH
In post 684, JacksonVirgo wrote:VOTE: NoraaIn post 426, Noraa wrote:hmmmIn post 405, JacksonVirgo wrote:TGP did claim Vanilla Townie and they are obviously Town for it. What mafia would NOT claim PR if pushed to be yeeted D1
Hiraki/Jacko/Golden/Shelly
it sounds quite plausible if u ask me.
these posts are about 130 game posts after my initial vote for noraa (which didn't go through) but before my corrected voteIn post 685, JacksonVirgo wrote:Noraa is discrediting all that disagree with them
we get this later from Jackson about herta (everything between these is bashing noraa btw)..In post 707, JacksonVirgo wrote:I haven't gotten to them yet.In post 699, Shoshin wrote:I don't think trying to sway people to your thinking is scummy, either. These are bad reasons to suspect Zurel.In post 695, JacksonVirgo wrote:Zurel's constant pocketing of me I don't like either, especially when they are super aware that it may be seen as if they are which isn't a townie mindset also them trying to sway me onto a top wagon is scummy.
Why haven't you commented more on Herta or Taylor?
agree with this thinking.In post 948, CreativeMod1 wrote:Oh just remembered that there was another thing about Fuzzy.
When Fuzzy jumped onto the Herta wagon was really weird and I can't quite tell whether it's townie or scummy. Like at that point everyone knew that NM was gonna quick hammer, Idk whether Fuzzy was jumping on so that they could be 'seen' to be on the wagon (that was very clearly gonna go off very soon) or whether they joined it as town because they thought Herta was scum.
Idk, just something to note
this was their vote on herta. they had gone 200 game posts absent since an unvote from Not Mafia. it does reek of scum not being around to help defend their partner and getson the wagon when they know it is going down.In post 833, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:No Lynch.....
are you voting for not having a lynch today or yourself. Trying to figure if you are being cheeky or not. I think it likely the latter but sometimes i have a hard time reading sarcasm.
VOTE: Herta
was going to put him on notice that he was about to be on L-1 but i don't think it would do anything. He has done nothing to defend himself and it is unlikely he will claim. He feels very much like caught scum.
you did indeed have earlier votes on herta (vc 8 I think). Only rockhopper voted earlier for herta, back on VC 3 and 4 but then moved off and never went back.In post 951, Hiraki wrote:If I could be so egotistical, my vote was almost always on Herta. I just moved it because I didn't think a Herta launch was happening yesterday until it was.
see, I don't believe this at allIn post 954, Noraa wrote:out of the people not on the herta wagon, I think the only possible scum are geraint and rockhopper. Nolim is literally just acting like full on LHF atm and I am starting to just TR there.
taylor/no lynch joined the herta wagon 4th i beleive, which i just have as an odd spot for scum to join a wagon on their partner when they knew 6 was all it was going to take.In post 956, Noraa wrote:Btw my read on Golden has done a 180 at this point in time. flailing around and jumping on all sorts of wagons is a good sign + after a herta red flip, hiraki and Taylor look noticeably worse than golden.
I can TR golden for the time being.
In post 963, Noraa wrote:Does anyone have a read on geraint atm?
I've felt like this slot is towny but their reads are so very hard to agree with.
I found this....what like 9 posts ago?In post 954, Noraa wrote:ut of the people not on the herta wagon, I think the only possible scum are geraint and rockhopper
No one wants to lynch me, which is odd because a case could be made. Basically my post on jackson/no lynch and just search replace my name in
coming back to the game from overnight.In post 980, geraintm wrote:No one wants to lynch me, which is odd because a case could be made. Basically my post on jackson/no lynch and just search replace my name in
I like that they explain their absence...it kinda possibly explains how scum got eliminated day 1In post 986, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:You know one game I will actually read posts carefully. I thought this was going to be the game I would do that. Reread CM post. Doh. Yes it was a joke.......I was wrong.
On voting Herta...I was not paying attention to him and then he scummed all over the place. I was busy with school work and was not able to give this game a lot of attention. As I said school is winding down. Turkey vacation is here so can see I am more active. I will be more active the rest of the game.
Hikari has said I am scummy but as far as know he had not gone into details. I will reread his posts today and respond.
If TGP was scum and I was scum then I passed up a chance to lynch one scum partner to lynch another. I would gain less slack for bussing a scum TGP then jumping onto the Herta wagon. TGP is town. I basically help stop a town mislunch and help lunch scum. I dont get why I am scum for stopping a bad kill and then helping kill scum/ Maybe someone explain that to me .
CM- You still did not answer the issue of Shashin wanting to kill you yesterday and then they coming up dead last night. There might be a good reason for it but I think we need to hear it. Not sure why you are going after Noraa and not answering the problem.
noraa is top scumreadIn post 1022, Null Vote wrote:My list is very very similar, but why do you have hiraki as your top scumread?
oh, I hadn't read this when I replied. you think he was deliberately being dim. I just assumed it was accidental dimness.In post 1024, CreativeMod1 wrote:This post here is smart for scum and lemme say whyIn post 1022, Null Vote wrote:My list is very very similar, but why do you have hiraki as your top scumread?
It's very clear that geraintm has put Hiraki as their town read and that the list geraintm posted was in order of who they wanna launch however what NL is doing is making it seem like the opposite when really they're just memeing
It could cause some people like Noraa and Fuzzy to latch on and say, oh I also don't trust Hiraki and possibly turn it into a wagon
It could cause some people to think, oh wait why is geraintm sus of the towniest player, that's kinda weird
geraintm then also has to reply to NL and it could be made to look like geraintm is just backtracking by saying their list is wrong way round
Meanwhile NL can just reply saying, oh it's just a joke if there's sus on NL for it
Going to jump in quickly before bed.In post 1055, CreativeMod1 wrote:Also, I find it interesting that Geraintm has NL at second top of their scum read.....but isn't voting for them?
I dislike intensely that you didn't explain how you 'misunderstood' my list so badly. Please doIn post 1028, Null Vote wrote:I don't know why, but this posts feels like flattery to me.In post 1024, CreativeMod1 wrote:This post here is smart for scum and lemme say whyIn post 1022, Null Vote wrote:My list is very very similar, but why do you have hiraki as your top scumread?
It's very clear that geraintm has put Hiraki as their town read and that the list geraintm posted was in order of who they wanna launch however what NL is doing is making it seem like the opposite when really they're just memeing
It could cause some people like Noraa and Fuzzy to latch on and say, oh I also don't trust Hiraki and possibly turn it into a wagon
It could cause some people to think, oh wait why is geraintm sus of the towniest player, that's kinda weird
geraintm then also has to reply to NL and it could be made to look like geraintm is just backtracking by saying their list is wrong way round
Meanwhile NL can just reply saying, oh it's just a joke if there's sus on NL for it
Thank you!
If someone hammers i will be disappointed. There is still jnfo to extract from today. This elimination is going way too quickly
looking at the timing of the votes though on this wagon, the mid wagon ones didn't feel scummy to me. they came at a point when there were other viable wagons going around, and it was the mid wagon votes that basically pushed this wagon down the hill past the point of no return. if they had been mid wagon votes and then jumped off, that is a different matter.In post 1036, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Toog - agreed- From my personal experience scum usually mid it on scum wagons. 2 on 1 off or 1 on 2 off does not usually play a role in this principle. Of course, it is just a general principle, and they're always exception
Class time.....will return later today
agree with this reading how yesterday's elimination went down. Zurel could have gone to golden paradox, taylorswift/creative mod could have stuck on golden paradox.In post 1042, CreativeMod1 wrote:Can I point out, all of Noraa's scum reads are people on the Herta wagon and all her town reads are people off the wagon...like she has a scumlean on someone off wagon but her strongest reads are those on the wagon
So in Noraa's world, all scum bussed yesterday when they could've easily jumped on the TGP wagon and gotten away with it
I don't get your push on me. there is no reasoning to it. if it is because of our voting history, then we both shifted to noraa at the same time from my records. your wanting to get rid of me is just...odd to me. I cannot push back on it as there is nothing there. like your entire case is
oh, and the whole weirdness about post 1022 which I still don't understand. you have just battered it away and think I am going to let it lieIn post 1087, geraintm wrote:I don't get your push on me. there is no reasoning to it. if it is because of our voting history, then we both shifted to noraa at the same time from my records. your wanting to get rid of me is just...odd to me. I cannot push back on it as there is nothing there. like your entire case is
oh, I found a reason they want to eliminate me.In post 1079, Null Vote wrote:Not voted the goon.
not sure whyIn post 1102, Rockhopper wrote:I don't think NM and CM are scum together too