micro 976: a wolf! a wolf!

[mastina]

Oh no.
(Yes, me as tracker/doctor is fine.)

[mastina]

I personally never fakeclaim.
You with your role feel free to do what you want tho.
Just don't expect me to lie on your behalf.

[mastina]

I'm gonna start kinda pushing you, you ok with that?

Sure am; you could push me a ton and I'd not be any worse for wear.

[mastina]

So, do we just let the game slide and hope it goes down well?

I mean.

It works.

It's boring, but incredibly practical.

Let the town eat themselves alive, and just...do nothing to stop that from happening.

It doesn't always work, and if things start to look like it might not work then we obviously need to change things up.

But until things do go that way. No need to stop the town from doing the things towns do. (Eat themselves alive.)

[mastina]

It's a dumb push but a dumb push that'll look town so go for it.

[mastina]

It's a dumb push but a dumb push that'll look town so go for it.

Boy oh boy do I know how to call it.

[mastina]

Ok now i can panick, good scum player help how look town

Your deadline push was amazingly town, but now that we have an extension, try to work on a compromise and keep pushing things which you feel you were onto something.

[mastina]

Btw, just gonna say this now:
RIP to scumastina's meta of having incredibly lackluster scumgames.
Born: some unknown time in 2018.
Died: November 2020.

(This is genuinely the first scumgame I've had in two years where I've felt a fire within me. It is still very visibly and obviously not my towngame, but the fire and passion which has been exclusive to my towngames for two years is present here, so I'll no longer be able to easily have a good reliable towntell in future games. OH WELL. I hated having a lack of fire in my scumgame so I'm glad to have it back, even if it'll make my towngames inevitably be harder as I'll be forced to admit due to this game that passion/fire is no longer an exclusive-to-town tell of mine.)

[mastina]

You think it was town really? Can you tell why if i need to bring up stuff?

Yes. You were under the belief that deadline was approaching and that the town NEEDED to get majority, quickly. You reached out to players, tried to work with them, tried to compromise with them, stated your opinions and how you were willing to put them aside in order to secure an elimination and not have a D1 no-execute.

Given the shortness of the deadline expansion, that we're still near deadline, I'd keep that up.

[mastina]

Hey so, ngl i actually have trouble seeing where this game is going
Any idea for a medium term plan? Like pretty sure nic is the exe today, where next

Keep the game in chaos is our best bet.

On that note:

Gypyx kills: Mathblade;
I doctor-track: TheGoldenParadox

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MathBlade and Akarin are two of the main players who contribute to the chaos, but they are also the primary two players who, in spite of causing chaos, are cutting through the chaos to try and make sense of things. So in spite of contributing to what we need, they are also the primary dissipaters of the chaos we thrive in.

They also happen to be two of the most universally-townread players in the game right now.

I, personally, would love to keep MathBlade in the game for longer, if for no other reason than to not inflate his ego (because me N1ing him this game will mean that for literally 20 games down the line, he'll probably inherit some arrogance due to it and cause grief to innocent towns and I'd prefer to not inflict that fate on them if I can avoid it), but in this game, hey, I just

have

to pay him the respects he's due. As much as the 20 games after this one where he's town will regret this one game where I did. But like. The dude did earn it this game--he's universally town, he's cutting through the bullshit, and while I feel his scumteam theory doesn't have enough merit to it to be a threat of convincing others, I do owe him the respect that he did in fact, call the correct scumteam on D1.

Holding the town together rather than dividing it; being universally townread; having called the correct scumteam at one point in D1 even if he backed off from it.

I feel like we could leave him alive, because I feel like I can convince him that I am town, and there is always the chance that leaving him alive past D1 lets him have a chance to go off the rails and descend into crazy-Mathblade territory. But I feel like we should be killing universal townreads here and he is one of only two in the game, and the one who on his best day is a larger threat than the other. And I'd say that, overall, while there's a chance he'd fall from being in his best day...that this game is him more or less at his best day.

[mastina]

And wow, he gets THIS mad if he dies N1?

No, no, not mad!

He gets flattered!

And then lets it go to his head in future games.
Every time he dies N1 in a game, he'll have an ego-boost that'll cause a level of increased arrogance in like the 20 games to follow. (Can't blame him for it tho as I am the exact same way and do the exact same thing. )

[mastina]

I am the most familiar of any player onsite with the possible exception of Titus (his brother) as to how MathBlade is a scum asset in causing TvT fighting that drains the life out of towns during games. (Probably, most infamously, Civilization Mafia.) I am quite aware of how antitown MathBlade can be, so the kill on him took me off-guard as well, as I was sure that the N1 kill was going to be either you or TGP. Rarely a game goes by that MathBlade doesn't drain the life out of a town at some point, so I'd know to

not

kill Mathblade, to let his arguing with you continue. (Btw this is why I thought it'd be TGP killed; I thought that the scum would leave you alive so that Mathblade would argue with you.)

Granted, what Ari says is also accurate:

i thjnk MathBlade was obvtowning and having them in that role would have been bad for any scumteam. I haven't looked at mastina/Math interactions but they are a very good player when they are given the right game and I think this was one whrere they would have shone. Of the playerlist I assume mastina has the most experience with them and thus they would know this.

In spite of Mathblade's tvt arguments being inevitable and also anti-town, draining the life out of games...he's not a bad player; he's still a very good player given the right game and in this game was obvtown. Being obvtown in a micro is bad for scum, so just about any scumteam would, in hindsight, have reason to eliminate Mathblade. (It was just that specifically my experience with Math blinded me to that aspect.)

(I hope Mathblade recognizes that I am saying things in this light specifically because of my scum alignment, my respect for him is indeed high enough for the n1 kill in this game after he earned it, obv.)

[mastina]

pls tgp don't even consider that we might be scum together aaaaaaaah

I do feel kinda bad that, of all games, THIS game just so happens to, randomly, be the resurgence of scumastina at nearly her peak performance (literally the only thing that could make this more peak performance is making a writeup of each player and how to handle them best) and that my interactions with you, meant to defend my scumbuddy, paint us both as town.

Oh god i feel pressured
What do i say

Do the exact same thing you did at the false-end of D1. Be available, give your opinion, vote who you prefer and be willing and able to vote for the other option.

[mastina]

Should i change my claim? I kinda feel like i should claim something more normal...
Reflexive bodyguard maybe?

Nooooo, not a protective.
Claiming a reflexive investigation is fine. It may be better to change from investigatoir and not use tracker, but claiming reflexive for something like rolecop or follower or the like will be fine.

[mastina]

I'll do follower k
Just to make sure i get how this works, i would know who visisted me and what kind of actions they performed?

Actually, might want to edit it to be the more sensible reflexive voyeur.

In practice, there's not much difference between a reflexive follower and a reflexive voyeur, but the latter is a role that people would be more likely to buy as it's not quite as complex. (A reflexive follower would technically be able to see actions done by a player targeting them, that didn't target them, e.g. seeing that a mafia tracker tracking them but killing someone else performed a killing action and an action investigation action.)

And, to answer: you would not know who visited you (that's a reflexive watcher/tracker), and you wouldn't know the exact action performed (you wouldn't know a tracker tracked you); you would however know the TYPE of action performed on you (if a tracker tracked you, you would know you were targeted by an investigation role).

Anyway, for a start:

mastina doctor-tracks: Akarin;
Gypyx kills: TheGoldenParadox

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DT is a VT; SKYEscrapers is a 1x Alien; Dunnstral is a vanilla neighbor (basically VT)--there's a slight risk Dunnstral is the investigatoir, who lied and claimed he had no powers, but if so, he's harmless tomorrow because regardless of an investigation result he performs, he won't be believed.

Which leaves two names for the novice investigatoir:
Akarin and TGP.
Akarin's softclaim doesn't sound like it's the investigatoir.
TGP did not target anyone N1 and has not claimed.
Ergo, TGP is the most likely to be the novice Investigatoir. (And even if he is not, he's a solid nightkill anyway.)

[mastina]

hmmm...
tgp must be the novice investigatoire right?

Correct.
Dunn COULD be it if he lied, but if so that's a blessing since we'll be in lylo and he won't be believed.
Akarin COULD be it, and that'd be problematic if so, but Akarin's softclaim doesn't seem to fit. I struggle to see how Akarin's claim matches up with 'novice investigatoir'.
TGP, however, we know did not act N1, and thus, is one of the following:
-A VT
-An xshot role
-An even-night role
-A novice role.

And given that the investigatoir is novice...odds are that it's him.

[mastina]

mastina doctor-tracks: Akarin;
Gypyx kills: TheGoldenParadox

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Quoting this for pagetop.

[mastina]

wouldn't a reflexive voyeur know what kind of actions were performed on the players targeting me? Or am I just minsundersteanding reflexive?

Oh nevermind, you're actually right, I was being dumb.

So yeah, reflexive follower, not reflexive voyeur.

yeah we're agreeing here, what's the plan for ExeLo, just push SKYE / Dunn and hope Akarin buys it?

Pretty much, yeah.

[mastina]

oh wait you're already tracking her, do i do that regardless?

Considering that if SKYE isn't targeting TGP they're targeting me--that's fine, it guarantees we get at least one result regardless.

[mastina]

(Basically, if SKYE targets me, then the TGP kill goes through.
If SKYE targets TGP, then TGP gets no investigation result.
Win-win for us.)

[mastina]

If SKYE targets you, you have the plausible cover that scum nightkilled you, thus the lack of a nightkill. You're universally townread so they'd not suspect the other possibility.

[mastina]

Fuck

[mastina]

Well, i'm off to sleep, hope i'll dream of a game-winning plan or something

The best plan: get Akarin to be onboard for a SKYE elimination today; an innocent on Dunnstral does no good if we win today.

In fact it's pretty much our only wincon.

Akarin needs to die if one of us is eliminated today because Akarin can investigate again.
But Dunnstral, as conftown, will be the deciding vote...and he thinks, correctly, that we're both scum.

We can't frame Dunnstral as a Godfather, because hard innocents are guaranteed to be accurate.

We could hope Akarin is seen as suspicious, but this is less likely.

[mastina]

Current plan: wait for Akarin to out the innocent, then town it up by listing all of the possible worlds we live in, and going through the game trying to assess how likely the are.
(For the record, when Akarin claims, the possible worlds from my perspective will be:
Akarin is scum with Dunnstral, faking an innocent on her scumbuddy in lylo;
Akarin is scum with SKYEscrapers, faking or having a genuine innocent on Dunnstral to win his trust in lylo;
Akarin is scum with Gypyx, faking or having a genuine innocent on Dunnstral, banking on us eliminating SKYEscrapers;
Akarin is town with a genuine innocent on Dunnstral, and the scumteam is SKYE-Gypyx.)
Replace 'Gypyx' with 'mastina' in the above to get your views after Akarin claims the result. (Be very very careful that it's only posted AFTER the result is publicly claimed.)

[mastina]

Okay Dunnstral's claim works to our favor here in a SKYE elimination.
When Akarin comes to claim the innocent on Dunn, then it sets up for an easy SKYE vote.
Dunn might vote for SKYE.
Akarin might vote for SKYE.
I should vote for SKYE.
You of course can vote for SKYE, too.

Looks like we might have it.

[mastina]

New plan: eliminate SKYE. It's our best shot at winning.

If I am eliminated instead, then we've got bad odds, but I think the best plan is:
If Dunnstral does not specify who he's aliening, then kill him. If he does, then you need to no-kill and try to win in the 4p mylo.

But really, looks like the plan here is to eliminate SKYE.
You shouldn't vote unless it's a hammer.
I also shouldn't be quick to vote, need to garner the towncred first.

[mastina]

Okay so it may not be a SKYE elimination, but yeah, the plan is to basically try and solidify that, yes, there is scum in SKYE and Dunn and force the town to vote each other so that regardless of who we hammer, we eliminate town today.

I feel like I genuinely have reasonably good setup for this, too.

[mastina]

Tbh when reading your posts i was like "wow... she actually makes sense, is this what a good scum look like?"

Yes, actually. This is the best scumgame I've had in two years.

As for what you should do, I would play a voice of caution, try to work out the possible teams from your perspective, try to logic it out, play it slowly and put in the effort to reanalyze the thread, point out your game-long Akarin suspicion, maybe contest me on me being impossible to be scum (that is, question my assertations), avoid voting, avoid committing to a hard stance, but do take stances backed with reason and analysis, as much as you can.

Basically you don't want to make SKYE be convinced you're scum, so favor Dunnstral-Akarin as scum, but don't overplay it too hard. You don't want to antagonize SKYE but you don't want to hard-hard-buddy them, either. Just present yourself intelligently and intellectually.

And, probably, post only when you think you need to. You being less active means you're less in the spotlight, less in the foreground, more in the background, and that's probably what benefits us the most. Lurking might be a bit of a cheap strategy, but while I can fend for myself fairly well, you might not fare as well if put under heavy pressure, so here it's probably the winning play.

Pick up activity if you think you need to, but be inactive if you think you can get away with it.

[mastina]

Subject: 976: mystyry box of sylvyr I: isis game. day 3

hi all. following night 1, i should have informed doubtingthomas that they were visited by dunnstral. that PM was not sent. i think it is most appropriate that this become public information. sorry for issues this has caused

I would like to say that I feel like this is very very poorly handled a resolution and you may as well call the game right here and now due to making it--
By publicly, PUBLICLY, confirming that Dunnstral's claimed role is real, by publicly confirming that Dunnstral's role is real, you're basically publicly confirming he is town.

By publicly confirming that he is town, it becomes impossible to eliminate him, in a lylo situation where there's only three town players to eliminate.
By publicly confirming that he is town, it also by proxy gives credence to Akarin, too.

By making this public, there's no real point in the game continuing--Dunnstral is basically mod-confirmed town. His slot is mod-compromised by the public reveal that his claim is true.
Because he is mod-confirmed to be telling the truth, scum literally cannot win here.

[mastina]

Oh god

Are you online?

[mastina]

Oh you are.

[mastina]

Voting at 11:24 am my time exactly (it's 11:23 right now).

[mastina]

It's there, hurry.

[mastina]

ok with this thread being released ?

Yup, no redactions needed.