Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Haschel Cedricson]

/ego

[Haschel Cedricson]

Also,

Vote: Flea the Magician

. They know why.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Before I even think about claiming my two locations I just want to say that I will be going to a specific one of them first regardless of what the chart says.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Actually looking and thinking it over this plan is bad and doomed to failure.

Pooky Sus

[Haschel Cedricson]

Actually looking and thinking it over this plan is bad and doomed to failure.

Pooky Sus

how does it end in failure?

If you don't know then now is certainly not the time to tell you.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Is that a slip? You know only scum get the bonus kill right?

I want you to reread what you just replied to and tell me why your posting is bad here.

[Haschel Cedricson]

So in theory it seems all tasks are a post restriction of some sort, I'd expect them all to be "short" style tasks.

O2 and Reactor MUST BE FIXED or imposters win.
Comms would be a global post restriction maybe?
Lights might hide kills?

...

What good can

possibly

come from this line of discussion?

[Haschel Cedricson]

So in theory it seems all tasks are a post restriction of some sort, I'd expect them all to be "short" style tasks.

O2 and Reactor MUST BE FIXED or imposters win.
Comms would be a global post restriction maybe?
Lights might hide kills?

...

What good can

possibly

come from this line of discussion?

People were asking, and I know some people enjoy setup spec.

Oh well if they enjoy it then I guess that's okay no wait the opposite of that.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Also reminding people Reck scumslipped in a post

Point this out to me.

Also Reck is the only person talking any sense right now; I too have already decided which room I'm going to tonight. I'll let you know where it is tomorrow.

[Haschel Cedricson]

This is officially the fastest-moving game I've ever played.

Give me a bit to get caught up on 20 pages.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Okay I ended up having sex instead of reading the last 20 pages. On this page, though,

reck if you tell us you are going to room ___ and its got 3 people in it, and then you dont go to room ___ and instead there are 2 people, and one of them is scum, and he gets a bonus kill on town, we r going to lockscum you so you are just hardthrowing atp

In the event this scenario happens why would the focus be on Reck and not, you know, the only living person in the room?

I signed up to play a Mafia game, not solve a logic puzzle. And in my experience people who want the town to focus on the logic puzzle instead of the Mafia game tend to be scum.

Similarly, I'm not in favor of No Elimination today because it hands scum a free kill.

Right, reading 20 pages for real this time.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Alright that was a lot of pages and surprisingly little substance.

A few notes.

Flea asks if I was joking about Pooky Sus or not. I was not joking.

So in theory it seems all tasks are a post restriction of some sort, I'd expect them all to be "short" style tasks.

O2 and Reactor MUST BE FIXED or imposters win.
Comms would be a global post restriction maybe?
Lights might hide kills?

...

What good can

possibly

come from this line of discussion?

People were asking, and I know some people enjoy setup spec.

Oh well if they enjoy it then I guess that's okay no wait the opposite of that.

Drops this like it's a bad fart, and promptly leaves. No contribution, no commitment, just ε=(｡◕ฺˇд ˇ◕ฺ｡）

Why did I not follow up on a conversation about a topic not being a great thing to talk about? It is a mystery.

Blitzo's iso bothers me. I like a lot of the questions he's asking, but I don't feel like there's a lot of follow-up.

I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

Option A has a big problem here. Can anybody else see what it is?

Her reads in 580 are terrible, too. Misrepresentation of my game + Wildly overreacting to BM's 254 + Appeal to meta + 3 reads with literally no substance behind them.

Unvote; Vote: Titus

Taly is by far my strongest townread for being the person who is visibly doing the most scumhunting. OutWorldER looks good too for similar reasons and also I like a lot of his posts.

That's all for now.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Similarly, I'm not in favor of No Elimination today because it hands scum a free kill.

Haschel, if you're not in favor of handing scum free kills

why the heck are you opposed to claiming rooms?

Because it gives the scum waaaaaaay too much room to maneuver and at the moment they have a lot more information about how to use game mechanics to their advantage than we do.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Alright, it seems like we finally have a consensus to be dumb. I'm not going to stop the dumbness so I might as well make the best of it.

VOTE: Battle Mage

This is the case you posted on BM:

BM is scum for waiting on a consensus before voting me. His position on me is just hot garbage in his ISO. He appeared fine when it was just me and him going to electrical but sad when Ali was added to the mix. That would have three in electrical. Removing me makes two in electrical.

Is there more to it than that?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Read the next few posts in my ISO. That's the summary cliff notes version.

Yeah, I read that. Nothing new since then? Anything to bolster your description of "transparently scum"?

VOTE: Titus

Haschel, you with me?

I believe I already am.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Read the next few posts in my ISO. That's the summary cliff notes version.

Yeah, I read that. Nothing new since then? Anything to bolster your description of "transparently scum"?

Alright, it seems like we finally have a consensus to be dumb. I'm not going to stop the dumbness so I might as well make the best of it.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Where and when was this consensus reached and why was it dumb?

It's dumb because we should be no eliminating.

The sheer number of people voting to eliminate means we will eliminate, so it might as well be on scum.

Mine wasn't a rhetorical question, btw.

[Haschel Cedricson]

So his voting pattern both makes him transparently scum and can't make you 100% sure he's scummy. Do I have that correct?

[Haschel Cedricson]

hmmm i had townvibes from titus so these recent votes are highly suspect

Anything more substantial than vibes?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Anyway it seems like we are going to elim today, I am happy enough with the comp of the Blitzo wagon compared to Titus and I think Blitzo has things that are actively kind of scummy so if we want to try to shoot the scum then fine. But I think there's good reasons to think that tasks are viable and miselims hurt us more than usual for that reason, so if it were up to me I would no elim.

Which Blitzo things are you referring to?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Heads up, I have a ton of family obligations today and may not get to post again until tonight.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Hey all, getting caught up now. I see from the votecount people are no longer on Titus. Is that because people no longer think she's scum or are the other two wagons significantly better?

Obvs I'm about to draw my own conclusion but it'd be cool to have an answer to that by the time I get caught up.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Only up to 1592 but Battle Mage makes an excellent point about MC's attack not being logical at all. Really curious to see how this explodes into four more BM votes.

[Haschel Cedricson]

HC, Blitzo, and TGP are the bottom 3 with <50 posts each.

If I ever play a game and have more than 50 posts on day one when only four IRL days have elapsed, I give everyone in this thread permission to kick me in the groin should they ever encounter me outside the forums.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Flea just spent a lot of time and energy in 1619 making a post that can basically be summarized as "In conclusion MC is a land of contrasts." Not a fan.

I see some posts are talking about meta. I plan on ignoring those posts.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Oh no. You of all people do not get to just drop a vote with no reasoning and walk away. Why Battle Mage over the other wagons? Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

Okay. BM-wagon = Bad, Murdercat-wagon = Good, Titus and Flea also good candidates for scum.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Flea, straight-up, do you think DGB is scum?

[Haschel Cedricson]

There were two questions in my post and you only answered the former.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Oh no. You of all people do not get to just drop a vote with no reasoning and walk away. Why Battle Mage over the other wagons? Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

Battle Mage has been my number 1 SR for ages, so it's hardly unexplained.

There were two questions in my post and you only answered the former.

Stop dodging the question. Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

Can someone explain what "the case" actually is?

You know what? Nobody answer this except Titus.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Well this is an interesting thing to wake up to.

Gotta split attention between this and work but I'll have something soon.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Right.

The first thing is his entrance to the game: He comes in ready to talk a bit of mech and only slightly uncooperative. 5 actual minutes later, the plan is "bad and doomed to failure." And Pooky is sus for suggesting it. When Alisae asked him why, all he'd say was"If you don't know then now is certainly not the time to tell you." As if there were some mech reason. Later when I asked him again why this was worth giving scum a free NK (after my big example) his extremely persuasive reason was just "Because it gives the scum waaaaaaay too much room to maneuver and at the moment they have a lot more information about how to use game mechanics to their advantage than we do." That's it. Despite not wanting to tell Alisae earlier, and all the reasoning I gave, his 5 minute turn-around is just that strong.

Congrats, this is a summary of what happened. You have correctly identified the fact that I was lukewarm on discussing mechanics and then decided that discussing mechanics helped scum more than town and therefore decided to stop discussing mechanics and later said it wasn't good to discuss mechanics. Stellar scumhunting, chief.

As for my interactions with Titus, Titus pinged me as a scummy player and then did absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise.

Titus wrote:
I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.
Option A has a big problem here. Can anybody else see what it is? (Titus was wrong about the setup, why is this scummy? And why does Haschel understand this part of the setup but not the rest?)

In Option A, the scum kill Titus and then somebody still has to do her task because tasks aren't completed during the night phase. I expect town players to have paid close attention to how their tasks are actually performed.

In post 1436, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
So his voting pattern both makes him transparently scum and can't make you 100% sure he's scummy. Do I have that correct?

Like this doesn't seem like a damning contradiction to me.

Good point, assuming you redefine "transparently" and "100%" to mean things that they don't actually mean.

Then there's the whole WHY ARE YOU DODGING THE QUESTION interaction: After Titus votes BM, Haschel: "Oh no. You of all people do not get to just drop a vote with no reasoning and walk away. Why Battle Mage over the other wagons? Does the case against Murdercat make sense?" Murdercat was the other wagon here, and at this point Haschel was saying the BM wagon was bad and Murdercat was good. I actually agree with that at that point in the game, but when Titus says BM has been her main scumread for ages Haschel makes this big weird deal about Titus apparently "dodging the question" of whether the Murdercat wagon makes sense. When Flareon asks what it is, Haschel insists that no one but Titus should answer. Like he's expecting some useful scumhunting trap out of not telling Titus what the Murdercat case is. When she eventually catches up, she says post 1953she has no idea why the wagon is a thing[/url].

There were two wagons at the time, and Titus didn't comment on the Murdercat one at all. I don't care that she said BM had been her main scumread for ages; I've already established that was an incredibly weak position to have in the first place given the reasoning Titus presented. Meanwhile we have another player in Murdercat a lot of people are suggesting is scummy; there's a decent case laid out, and Titus ignores it in favor of pushing a counterwagon (on a player that I believe is town) with the minimum of effort. When pressured, she refuses to give an opinion on Murdercat or the Murdercat wagon. I wasn't presenting a trap, I was trying to force her to commit to a stance on a player who at the time was looking like a feasible elimination so we could get associative tells later. And then the kicker is she has no idea why the wagon is a thing. Bullshit. The case and most of the wagon were all presented on the same page. Titus is a player trying to avoid giving detailed reads.

Titus wasn't voting MURDERCAT, so what was even the point? It served to put a lot of pressure on Titus but???

Hmm yes, what is the point in getting the opinion of a player on the counterwagon to the person they are voting? You even answer your own question in the second sentence. Pressure = Pressure.

I don't know why else Haschel focuses on Titus unless it's like him as town to just sit on one person for the entirety of D1.

My scumreads are either Titus or Titus-adjacent, so yeah, this is the best direction to direct my energy right now.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Haschel

, do you have any other reads?

Yes.

Titus bad, Flea bad, Murdercat not great. Blitzo is also not great; there's a lack of pressuring and follow-through from him that hits me the wrong way. I also don't want to OMGUS but portraying my last post as "only showing up when my neck is on the line" is either disingenuous or ignorant of how time zones work. Battle Mage town, you town, DGB town. Everyone else hasn't really registered too much other than the mass-claim debacle.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Actually TGP's reaction of voting me after my rebuttal without addressing any of it also doesn't look great but again I want to reread to make sure I'm not OMGUSing. I will say it looks very opportunistic though.

[Haschel Cedricson]

There will be multiple people there with me assuming the rest of you follow the spreadsheet.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Huh, surprised to be alive.

Not super thrilled with Jub-jub or the rest of you who claimed all your tasks and locations in light of the door-locking.

Anyway, I was in Comms last night.

[Haschel Cedricson]

i can see why people might be duped into following the plany

only, posting what you're doing just gives scum too much info sry

quote shit back at me at endgame if im super wrong and massclaim would've broken the game wide open

I agree with Mr. William "Will" Reckoner.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Pretty sure "all" is supposed to be "lol".

[Haschel Cedricson]

I'm at a family event right now so I can't do a deep dive, but from my perspective the wagon on me may be an interesting place to start since we know Karen was town, and a townie starting a wagon on another townie is something scum have motivation to latch on to.

[Haschel Cedricson]

The original plan did, or at least Karen's post when I said other people would be in the same location as me had comms on it. When Minecraft and Lord Bakery said they would actually be in Reactor I saw no need to correct my statement.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Toucan Sam: For starters I felt that Two Sheds would want me dead.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Liberty Taco, can you tell us about your read on Two Sheds?

Pedit: Tell us in detail I guess.

[Haschel Cedricson]

For the record I still am suspicious of Two Sheds. However, it is now my opinion that she should not be the elimination for today and I'm willing to at least explore Liberty Taco for a little bit.

Alright, Liberty Taco. You were the first vote on Two Sheds yesterday, then unvoted because the wagon "felt gross" and then mentioned her exactly once for the rest of the day. Now today you start off asking if there is anybody who doesn't think Two Sheds is scum. Can you elaborate on what changed?

[Haschel Cedricson]

btw welcome to the game, Moistinoips.

[Haschel Cedricson]

btw welcome to the game, Moistinoips.

Who am I?

Tell you what, Funsphere, I'll answer that question if you weigh in on Two Sheds vs Liberty Taco.

Oh look I just held up my end of the deal.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Steve is right about the first part and wrong on the second.

[Haschel Cedricson]

No, I'm The Haschster.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Steve is making some fantastic points here.

Liberty Taco also never answered a direct question about his actions towards Two Sheds re: the wagon/day start.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Mr. William "Will" Reckoner; why Steve?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Hise vote reeks ofe opportunisme.

Oh man, you definitely have to elaborate on this. Preferably in the same post you finally address my goddamn questions.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Hise vote reeks ofe opportunisme.

Oh man, you definitely have to elaborate on this. Preferably in the same post you finally address my goddamn questions.

Nice start, Liberty Taco, but still waiting on this.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Acknowledging prod; will post substantially during my break.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Sorry, Two Sheds; I did look through Liberty Taco's iso before night end but didn't have a chance to post there. Honestly it was very difficult to get a bead on those posts; there weren't a ton of places to get a foothold and my brain would kind of glaze over trying to get a read. The few reads he does give were weak or unsourced, and the reaction to your wagon is bad.

This wagon feels gross now. /:

UNVOTE:

Later I ask

Hey all, getting caught up now. I see from the votecount people are no longer on Two Sheds. Is that because people no longer think she's scum or are the other two wagons significantly better?

Obvs I'm about to draw my own conclusion but it'd be cool to have an answer to that by the time I get caught up.

She went V/LA so the pressure felt pretty useless and I'm not super confident she's scum so I moved my vote.

Note the two different reasonings for the vote switch.
Now, last night you said you were worried he would make a push on you today and I told you I felt your reasoning was a stretch. So yeah, it was definitely a surprise to see Liberty Taco open the day with an unprompted attack on you. This babysitter thing doesn't make a lot of sense to me and honestly I'm not particularly interested in learning more about it, but the timing is all wrong based on the order of posts and the length of time between all the parts of that. I don't know if Liberty Taco is making things up or if this is some elaborate bus thing, but either way Liberty Taco is likely scum.

That's not to mention he's accused my vote of being opportunistic (and doubled down when asked to elaborate) when

I literally have not voted today

.

I'm perfectly willing to vote Liberty Taco right now, but I haven't read the last few pages and should probably hold off on that. Tomorrow I want to take a look at that paradigm guy and probably Red Hot Chili Wizard; I want to see how they are reacting to the Liberty Taco wagon.

[Haschel Cedricson]

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We've just established that imposters can lock doors. Why are we telling them where people are planning to go again?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Lol just saw the "quickhammer". Astronaut Jones is jumping at nothing.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Good evening, guys, gals, and non-binary pals; first of all I want to confirm what Taly said earlier about myself and Flea The Magicial all forming a trio that took up residence in the Administration room last night. The three of us were there and we talked a little bit about the Bell wagon although admittedly I did not have time to post much in there for the latter portion of the Night Phase.

Now Bell was scummy as fuck yesterday. I was not voting for him at the end of the day but I feel that my stance on that wagon was well-signaled to the rest of the town. Curiously, there are three other names that I have noticed were not voting for Bell at the end of the day and I am about to mention those names in my next sentence that I am about to say now. Those names are Battle Mage, PookyTheMagicalBear, and Maestro, who replaced Alisae near the beginning of Day 2. Why do I specifically call out those three? That is an excellent question and I urge you all to continue reading my post in order to ascertain the answer.

We learned yesterday that the scum (or the Impostors if we are to use the framing device the flavor of this game has) were able to lock people OUT of rooms. This was discovered when the Electrical Room was locked on Night 1. However, with our revelation today from Reck and the other people who were locked inside the cafeteria last night, we now have confirmation that the Impostors have the ability to trap people INSIDE specific rooms. This is a strong power that gives the impostors a lot of room to interfere with crewmates completing tasks, and it makes it MUCH more likely that the impostors had a vested interest in getting the town to claim how many tasks we had and in which locations those tasks were supposed to be. As such, I think looking at the people who strongarmed the bulk of the playerlist into claiming is the best place to start applying pressure today.

Unrelated my task

sucks

so don't expect me to reply immediately to any posts.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Before I start I want to address Titus's quote of "I tried to get you to discuss Bell multiple times and had to drag you to an ISO to get your opinion. Now you claim your stance was well known and that you discussed Bell's wagon in your thread last night. Why couldn't you have discussed him with me the prior night." You are mistaking the timeframe here. When I said my stance on Bell was well-known, I was referring to how I felt about Bell on Day 2. On Night 1 when you asked me the question I had not come up with any opinion on Bell whatsoever; his posting was so generic that I barely noticed he was a player in the game when my attention was being pulled in other directions that I felt were more fruitful. I still think you are town for the same reasons I mentioned yesterday but your vote is a bad one that misrepresents my trajectory.

Right then. So with a confirmed impostor flip there are two questions that we need to ask ourselves. The first of these questions is "Who is Bell connected to?" The second of these is "who is connected to Bell?" These seem like the same question but both must be approached from different directions.

First of all, let's look at Bell's suspicions throughout the game. Who was he distancing from? Who was he actually pushing? He doesn't give a ton of reads, but he does call Flea town several times, and his read of Murdercat starts off calling him "a little off" with no explanation or vote before later saying that he doesn't want to vote out MC. All the other connections on his end are incredibly light; there's a half-hearted vote for Cakez, a major tunnel on Titus, and a few statements of leans with very little to back them up.

Now, how did other people react to Bell? Pooky offers him a pocket job. Murdercat says that he "likes Bell" and sorts him into the "Maybe town" list. Maestro's poem nominally asks Titus for clarification but tonally implies a defense of Bell. Battle Mage starts pushing Bell hard.

Actually the most damning thing may be Murdercat's interactions with Titus; at the time Bell was close to an elimination but not guaranteed to go and it looks like a Chainsaw Defense of Bell.

I'll have more later but first of all, Murdercat, I want to hear from you who you think is most likely to be partners with Bell and why.

As for Pooky, I can't help but noticed that after two nights demonstrating that announcing where everyone is going is a bad idea you are continuing to try and direct people. Don't say it's about preventing scumkills; your entire reasoning you gave in the first place was to allow us to finish tasks as fast as possible and the doorlocks mean that announcing locations actually makes it harder to get tasks done.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Sorry everyone, had various family duties to attend to.

Anyway, I see there's a wagon on me right now. Haven't read back to see why yet but I'll find out now. You're gonna get my thoughts as I read the thread because fuck multiposting with my restriction.

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I was asked to explain my scumreads. First of all, I mentioned Murdercat in my previous post; there are connections to known scum Bell that I don't like at all. I also think Flea is scummy for multiple reasons; faer reads have very little substance behind them, the late no-lim vote was bad, and if you parse the no-vowel thing Flea says "I'll have read and the Bell case is priority tomorrow but I'm not expecting to be convinced" which doesn't look great in light of Bell's flip. In fact, on Day 1 Flea said a lot of things about Murdercat that ended up in a shrug and no conclusions; I can absolutely see a Bell/Murdercat/Flea team.

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Reck, I was in Admin last night. I assume Taly or Flea answered that.

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mastina's entrance is fine; no issues yet.

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Wow, Murdercat just quotes a bunch of my posts and votes for me with no analysis except "seen enough for suss". Murdercat, what specifically do you object to in those posts you quoted in #3430?

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Now I'm at WindowsXP's entrance. I acknowledge the hypocrisy of me asking about setup stuff, but do people with the same task also have to perform them in the same room? Because I also have the 300-word post task but I had to do it in Admin and WindowsXP was definitely not in Admin last night. Maybe this means nothing but I want it out there.

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HC i'd like you to describe what happened N1 in your room with Titus. would be helpful if you added that to the response to what you did n2 that reck is asking you.

Obviously I don't have access to the thread any more but from memory it went

Me: Woo!
Titus: Hello.
Me: Well this is awkward.
Titus: I was going to go to electrical but the doors were locked. I thought Comms would be the best place to meet up with you or Reck.
Me: I see. So you don't know where the others went?
Titus: No. Are you going to kill me now?
Me: I am not. Are you going to kill me?
Titus: No. I'm suspicious of you but I guess for purposes of tonight I'll assume your town. Who do you think it is?
Me: If doors were locked then people who wanted us to claim don't look good. Also Flea.*
Titus: I think it's Bell and I think Bell is going to try and get me mis-limmed tomorrow.
Me: Why do you think that?
Titus: Bell referenced an old game and I think it was supposed to build the foundation for pushing me tomorrow.
Me: Eh, that's a stretch.
Titus: You don't know Bell; I think that's what he's doing. What do you think of Bell?
Me: To be honest I haven't thought about him at all, other players have demanded my attention and Bell hasn't done anything overt enough to draw me away.
Titus: Will you do an ISO of Bell?
Me: Yeah I will.

Day starts before I can do so

Night Two I was in Admin with Taly and Flea. Taly and I talked for a bit but I don't remember about what. Then Flea showed up and saying my thoughts to scum didn't seem appealing so I just lurked the rest of the night.

*I am pretty sure I said this then but honestly I don't remember.

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Anyway, Reck, if your followup is in the thread when I wake up tomorrow I'll answer it first thing then.

In conclusion,

Vote: Flea The Magician

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[Haschel Cedricson]

Hey I am currently at my parents' house for our Christmas Eve celebration (don't worry, since their house is also my work locale then I am not leaving my Covid bubble) and I don't have time to post much game-related but I swear to god if you fuckers eliminate me while I have family obligations and the prod timer is suspended I will not be a happy camper. Windows, I will get to your stuff as soon as is reasonably possible. Flea, I have already stated why you are scummy and I will be happy to reiterate once I have time. Anyway the wagon on me is a terrible one and SirCakez hasn't given any reasoning for tunneling on me as far as I can tell.

Now, I have to keep on talking and I gather that just copy-pasting stuff goes against the spirit of the task so instead I will tell a long rambling story in order to hit my word count requirement. If I end up getting mislimmed today then somebody will have to take up my task. I am telling you right now that it is imperative you all force a member of the scum team to take my task, because this task requires me doing something two nights in a row. Why am I saying this? I am saying this because I am already in the room in which I need to be in and my understanding based on the evidence we have seen so far suggests that if the doors to this room get locked then I will be trapped in the room instead of being unable to access it entire. Right I have to wrap this up because the prime rib is about to come out of the oven and oh look that's 300 words. Get back to you all soon.

[Haschel Cedricson]

First of all, normally I give zero fucks about proving I’m town; traditionally the only way to do that is to die so the priority should always go to finding scum. However while driving home from Boxing Day obligations I did think of one question for everybody voting for me: Why did I go to Comms on Night One?

Remember, Akarin posted a plan that listed everybody but Reck and I going to the rooms Cafeteria/Electric/Security/Admin/Comms. I stated that I would be going to a room that had people in it. It was clarified that “Comms” on the plan was supposed to be “Reactor”. I went to Comms anyway because that’s where my short task was. What is the motivation for Scumschel to go to Comms? Hope that Reck went there too? Hope that the people I locked out of Electrical will join me but only one of them even though I know that all of those people have stated they want to group up and are likely to join one of the other listed locations? Seriously, what’s my endgame there? As it turns out I did indeed end up with one other person, and neither of us killed each other. Which is more likely: 1) I stated I would be in a room with other people and then when the group plan swapped to Reactor I decided that it was important to go to Comms anyway instead of any of the other rooms I could have gone to that would have bolstered my statement, for no scum gain whatsoever, or 2) I had a task in Comms and went there to do it?

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Anyway. Let’s find scum.

Here’s Bell.



We know Bell is scum.

I thought that Titus was suspicious on Day 1, but after we ended up in Comms together she became not an optimal elimination for Day 2. Nevertheless, Bell goes for her hard despite not indicating strong feelings about Titus the day before. Is this some sort of extreme bus? Doubtful, since 1) all it did was attract attention to Bell, and 2) it was 100% unnecessary for scum to bus there. Conclusion: Titus is town.



Who was on the wagon?



First thing we can see is that Flea was the second vote on the wagon that Bell was pushing, on a player I have concluded is town.

Here’s everything that Flea said about Bell, as well as Flea’s list of reads.



Nothing committal about Bell at all, and says he “was where he said he would be” as way of explanation why fae is not joining the Bellwagon and is instead joining the Tituswagon. We also see dismay that Bell was hammered, and a scumread on a player we know 100% is town.

I’m gonna come back to the Bellwagon chart in a bit, but faer play today is pretty bad as well.

As much as I'd love to clarify those posts, theyre over my 50 word limit and blatently breaching that is liable to be bad, especially as this is my long task I'll have a read over once I've slept (whoo 4am) and break them down for you.

Unless there is also a postcount restriction, which we haven’t been given any indication exists, there is literally nothing preventing Flea from clarifying the posts in question over time. Unless, of course, fae doesn’t want to.

I still have no idea why Hasc is voting me.
Consider this Intent then I guess? I should look at their ISO.

Bullshit. I dedicated an entire paragraph to Flea in the same post I made my vote. Here it is again:

I was asked to explain my scumreads. First of all, I mentioned Murdercat in my previous post; there are connections to known scum Bell that I don't like at all. I also think Flea is scummy for multiple reasons; faer reads have very little substance behind them, the late no-lim vote was bad, and if you parse the no-vowel thing Flea says "I'll have read and the Bell case is priority tomorrow but I'm not expecting to be convinced" which doesn't look great in light of Bell's flip. In fact, on Day 1 Flea said a lot of things about Murdercat that ended up in a shrug and no conclusions; I can absolutely see a Bell/Murdercat/Flea team.

Don’t pretend you have no idea about something that was spelled out and then say you’re announcing intent. Also, putting somebody at E-1 because their ISO leaves you “massively unimpressed” is not a good look, especially when it’s the holidays and that person hasn’t had a chance to get back to the game yet to post about a wagon that flared up for shaky reasons.

Can anybody else in this game look at Flea today and honestly say they are doing any scumhunting at all? Even a little bit? I can’t say that; Flea has spent the entire day talking about faer post restriction and talking about how claiming was a bad idea after all. The latter was obvious from the start of the game. Normally I’d say there’s no followup but Flea is not producing anything with which to follow up on in the first place! Flea, you think I’m scum? Fucking interrogate me. Don’t just speak vague “I don’t understand why HC is voting for me”s in my general direction.

Oh, I forgot about this but check out post #210. Specifically this part of #210:

There is no Storage room on the ship.

Okay this took a lot longer than I thought it would take and I’m not even done yet. Tomorrow afternoon I’ll go back to the diagram but focus it on Murdercat this time. For now, though, sleep.

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[Haschel Cedricson]

Once again, if any of you want to explain why I would go to Comms as scum go for it.

The scumslip by Flea is merely a cherry on top of the sundae that is Fleascum; the bulk of the case is that it is very likely that Flea and Bell are partners.

Blitzo isn't a bad theory on Titus's part but I don't know about a flashwagon yet.

Honestly I'm started to pick up some scum vibes from OutWorldER; pushing for a Pookywagon with 24 hours left in the day is practically begging for yet another no-lim, and the galaxy-brain theory that I'm partners with Pooky is an incredible stretch. He also just sorts of treats it as a given that I was going to be the elimination today in a manner that I find offputting. He also tells us that the Fleawagon is "awful" but the primary reason given to bolster that opinion is some stuff about meta from another game that I do not care about.

It is three AM in the morning and I really want to add some more content here but I am so very very tired. This post restriction I have been assigned by our moderator TheStatusQuo, who is also known on this website (and in real life) by the name "Shea", is quite the pain to deal with. I want to be making short posts and interrogating people in the moment, not writing walls and adding a whole bunch of extra words to sentences to serve the purpose of padding out the whole post to reach the desired length. Honestly it is making it difficult for me to keep a foothold in this game because the knowledge that all of my posts have to be really long is just mentally taxing and it kicks motivation right in the groin and I hate it. Anyway that's my wordcount. In conclusion vote Flea and I'll see you all tomorrow.

PS: WTF do "LHF" and "CFD" stand for?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Well now.

Well now.

So first of all, I was indeed back in Admin last night; as I mentioned before I had a long task the required me to be in the same room two nights in a row. An unspecified amount of people can back me up; I will let them come forward.

Flea was scum. That makes the wagon dynamics of yesterday pretty interesting, no?

I would like to officially back off my stance of Murdercat being an imposter; I reread his interactions with Flea and I don't see them as bussing at all. I am not interested in a Murdercat elimination.

Similarly, ManWithNoName/Taly is almost certainly town; the night before last I was in Admin with Taly and Flea. If both of them were scum then I would not be alive right now; they could have used the imposter kill on me and covered for each other. Not interested in a ManWithNoName elimination.

Battle Mage, you said that Blitzo was suspicious as hell? I would like to hear some elaboration on this point; Blitzo is a player that has drawn some tangible stances from a lot of the players remaining in this game.

In fact, I have a question for you, Blitzo. In post #3738, you said that you could vote for any of Flea or me or Pooky. You then gave a reason why Pooky was in that pool for you, and then you called me scummy "regardless of the case". Curiously, though, the only thing you said about flea was that "some of the flea votes [were] kind of bad". That's not a reason to vote Flea; that's a bolster for your reason to vote me. You don't explain why Flea was in that list, or indeed, give any indication that Flea is actually a person you are interested in voting for. Can you explain?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Woo back to short posts!

[Haschel Cedricson]

I think DGB/MWNN/HC are my PoE rn.

Uh no, you don't get to just drop this and then say you won't be posting again today. In your next post you need to explain why this three is your PoE.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Murdercat's a bad vote based on the Flea interactions.

Claim who was in admin n3(please. those ppl are clear bc blitzo got roleblocked and i confirm that they didnt just no kill via my lack of sabotage. I forget who was there)

How does Blitzo being roleblocked clear the Admin room?

[Haschel Cedricson]

At this stage I am 100% done with tasks and can accompany anybody who still has a task. Did we ever learn who grabbed Gamma's?

Last night I was in Upper Engine and nobody else was there.

[Haschel Cedricson]

EBWOP: Battle Mage, is that second quote meant to say "I am quoting this because I agree" or "I think this is a shitty (e.g. number two) post"?

[Haschel Cedricson]

It was me, Windows, and Ower in admin N3.

[Haschel Cedricson]

OOOOH yes it was TILLYTALLY with me last night

I shall say that TILLYTALLY was my chosen nickname prior to the replacement and was on the approved list so TILLYTALLY it shall be today

Didn't you complete this task yesterday by voting Buttzo?

[Haschel Cedricson]

its so unsatsifying tho

lets just kill somebody

I don't see the need to claim them today, personally. I think this can wait for a few days and we can just make groups today so no one is isolated.

the point of claiming is so that we can map out the optimal pathing so that everyone completes all their tasks in 2-3 days and each roomgroup is big enough to prevent mafia bonus NKs

[Haschel Cedricson]

Actually, this does confirm Pooky and Mathblade as not having affected a second room on Night 3. Likely clearing both at this point.

I don't remember who was in the room with Taly Night 1. I feel like Titus was one and Gamma, so, that might just be all cleared at this point.

Titus was with me N1 in Comms.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Based on the info I see I'm not opposed to No Elim but I'm not voting because I would like this day to last for more than 11 IRL hours.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Somebody quote and hold the whole plan.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Bold

[Haschel Cedricson]

Confirm I will go to Nav.

[Haschel Cedricson]

wooooooo go team

Not gonna lie, going from X-1 to eliminating Flea felt so fucking good.

[Haschel Cedricson]

So Shea, what was the point of Upper Engine? Apparently nobody had any tasks in there?

[Haschel Cedricson]

So 2/4 of the imposters can hard stop town from finishing tasks.

Only if town does something bonkers, like, say, hard claiming all rooms day 1.

lmfao

[Haschel Cedricson]

It felt good going from L minus one to casing Bell into a corner.

I think the room claims really hurt scum.

They

happened

to hurt scum, but imagine a game where we don't eliminate correctly three times in a row. If Flea lives and Outworlder targets somebody other than Blitzo then we're fucked.

[Haschel Cedricson]

It could also just take 1 shellyc

[Haschel Cedricson]

(I'll be releasing PTs sometime in the next few days, might do it in batches. Its only several million of them.)

Do Dead and Scum first.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I'm glad my refusal to claim locations in advance saved Taly.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Oh, I wound up not using all of these in game but these were my nicknames:

1. Murdercat - Minecraft
2. Blitzo - Birdo
3. xRECKONERx - Mr. William "Will" Reckoner
4. thegoldenparadox - that paradigm guy
5. Flea The Magician - Red Hot Chili Wizard
6. Haschel Cedricson - The Haschster
7. DrippingGoofBall - Funsphere
8. Battle Mage - Joey Battles
9. gamma emerald - Steve
10. alisae - Alley Oop
11. titus - Two Sheds
12. OutWorldER - Astronaut Jones
13. Taly - Toucan Samuel
14. SirCakez - Lord Bakery
15. Akarin - Karen
16. PookyTheMagicalBear - Jub-jub
17. Bell - Liberty Taco

[Haschel Cedricson]

*pokes* May I have a nickname kind sir?

Hmm. It's hard to know what I would have given you at the time, but right now I'm feeling "Occam".

I gave "Steve" to Gamma not because of anything Gamma did but because the idea of anybody just getting the nickname "Steve" amused me, and the reaction when I dropped it in the thread was exactly everything I had hoped for.

As for Two Sheds, I've always loved the format of Firstname "Nickname" Lastname, and it amused me to reference this classic Monty Python sketch: