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VOTE: zurel

Sup folks?

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Schadd game in the normal queue. Oxymoron.

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nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today

dislike this if you follow through and actually votepark/stop trying to solve other slots for the rest of the day

obviously i'm trying to solve other slots i don't do voteparking

VOTE: the golden paradox

Why you omgus my liege?

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The cow moos at midnight. No reason to yeet the cow yet.

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VOTE: Taylor

RVS yes?

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. Hey Zurel... welcome to the real game. Glad to met you

Disappointed I did not get Jester. I am usually the town elimination bait and can get myself killed without trying.

I am obligated by law to claim town potato. This is something I do almost every game.It has no point other than it has become a tradition at this point.

You say potato. I say potahto.

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A wild JacksonVirgo has appeared

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I like this. I don't know what it means. But I like it.

What does it mean/

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nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today

dislike this if you follow through and actually votepark/stop trying to solve other slots for the rest of the day

obviously i'm trying to solve other slots i don't do voteparking

VOTE: the golden paradox

Why you omgus my liege?

I didn't

I think I caught that you were on him for saying you v Zurel were SvS theatre. Was there more to it?

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VOTE: Taylor

RVS yes?

More votes on Taylor!

More votes on Taylor!

why taylor?

Still wondering about this. Looks more and more like not rvs but ???

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2) Taylor
I like her stand against easy lunches.

I don't particularly see this as AI for Taylor. Scum can come up with this logic as easy as Town. I like the rest of the post though especially where you qualify the fuzzy scum read. It really doesn't sound like much of a scum read at all tbh.

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It can't be this easy, but

VOTE: GoldenParadox

This may lead us somewhere.

This shows playing for the good guys - looking to see what happens on wagons. Likely town?

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Jackson's posting style is breezy but thoughtful. Leaning town there.

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Did you confuse what OMGUS mean, Herta? OMGUS is when you vote someone for voting you. Geraintm didn't vote GoldenParadox because Golden voted him.

omgus as in TGP scum read him, so geraintm voted him. Falls into the same theory.

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This game needs hats.

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2) Taylor
I like her stand against easy lunches.

I don't particularly see this as AI for Taylor. Scum can come up with this logic as easy as Town.

I like the rest of the post though especially where you qualify the fuzzy scum read. It really doesn't sound like much of a scum read at all tbh.

That seems like a contradiction. Can you please explain?

It's a bit of a change of direction as I was typing it out and rather than starting over I just tried to explain it at the end. Really, I think you prematurely scum read fuzzy based on you qualifying it as him possibly being lazy and not reading the thread.

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Great pagetop there my friend

I got a friend!!!

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Really I should just probably sheep Noraa once I figure her out but not yet.

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Shoshin is explaining nothing and parked on Taylor for reasons?

VOTE: Shoshin

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There seems to be a lot of lhf.

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Shoshin, rockhopper, tgp, N_M, fuzzy. Please start towning.

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The reads may be good, I don't know, but without words, I can't solve the slot. If she's scum the reads could be bang on.

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I'm 10 pages behind and it's Sunday. I'll read them tonight maybe.

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I have one game with Noraa as town and she ended up being right. That just ended so I imagine that lends to her confidence. Is that fair Noraa?

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I have one game with Noraa as town and she ended up being right. That just ended so I imagine that lends to her confidence. Is that fair Noraa?

Right on day 1 I meant to say. I'm not seeing it here though.

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I need Jackson back I think bc they seem to have sensible takes.

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fuzzy has town energy. i

This is a pretty generic statement

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fuzzy has town energy. i

This is a pretty generic statement

i mean... sure if you take just the first sentence its not much, but thats how i sort people initially. scumpoints to you for quoting me out of context to paint me as scum

Nothing in that post screams energy. When I think of energy I think if someone like Shoshin who is at least giving the appearance of solving the last couple of pages. Fuzzys about as energetic as a slug, let alone town energy.

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I'm not really invested yet. I skipped a big chunk. None of the three leading wagons seem all that great, but I guess we're close to deadline so we have to start consolidating. Nature of day 1 I guess.

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I'm not really invested yet. I skipped a big chunk. None of the three leading wagons seem all that great, but I guess we're close to deadline so we have to start consolidating. Nature of day 1 I guess.

That was for Shoshin

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fuzzy has town energy. i

This is a pretty generic statement

i mean... sure if you take just the first sentence its not much, but thats how i sort people initially. scumpoints to you for quoting me out of context to paint me as scum

Nothing in that post screams energy. When I think of energy I think if someone like Shoshin who is at least giving the appearance of solving the last couple of pages. Fuzzys about as energetic as a slug, let alone town energy.

its not the quantity of the energy but the quality.

Keep with the cliches.

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I'd like to yeet Hiraki just because his take on me is so bad but I think if this goes to elo, he could be valuable and I don't sr him at this point just for being wrong.

I would push for a rockhopper yeet today if it wasn't so late. I haven't seen town there just a bunch of jumping from wagon to wagon.

Geraintm and NM will prolly shake out in the next couple of days one way or the other.

Noaraa is likely town, but dunno. JV too.

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I can't really prove a negative.

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Tgp has been the leading wagon from the start and Taylor and fuzzy the counters right. Kind of unusual for day 1 not to have a lesson wagon dissipate or any of the counters for that matter. That gives me pause.

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I can't really prove a negative.

I don't know what this means. You said you don't want to lynch Golden, Fuzzy, or Taylor. This implies that you think they're towny. I'd like to know why.

I don't think that's what I said. I think I said I was uncomfortable with their wagons. The dynamics don't seem right.

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It's probably going to come down to one of them so now's the time to decide which. One of them has claimed VT. Enough people think he's scum and if he isn't we won't be losing a PR. It's a crappy way to approach it, but if we're not going to have more info to work with, I don't know what else to do.

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Why aren't you giving reads on the main wagons of the day? This is mafia 101 -- townies give reads on main wagons, scum avoid doing so.

That's made up standard of play. I already said I don't like the wagons and I don't find any of them particularly scummy. I don't know why you want to trust that into me dance sitting.

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*twist that into me fence sitting

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I don't understand why me answering that I don't find any of them particularly scummy is scummy in itself.

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VOTE: Herta

I guess I should ask since you provided no context why?

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Why aren't you giving reads on the main wagons of the day? This is mafia 101 -- townies give reads on main wagons, scum avoid doing so.

What wiki page did you read this from?

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You have one main wagon that hasn't dissipated from beginning to end. That's scum indicative. Two counters that aren't gaining steam. If scum were trying to depressure the main wagon they would not form two competing wagons, just one.

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Even if I don't find tgp particularly scummy the wagon dynamics say otherwise.

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Now, Herta.

1. Herta's first substantive post (66) is calling Gertaint out for "OMGUS." That's typical scum play, throwing out some buzz words without actually analyzing the situation. If you look closer, it was fairly evident that Geraint's vote wasn't OMGUS, it was a surprisingly substantive vote.

You said it yoiurself, it was a surprisingly substantive vote. When told it wasn't omgus, I asked why. It was far from "fairly evident" that geraintm wasn't omgussing.

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nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today

dislike this if you follow through and actually votepark/stop trying to solve other slots for the rest of the day

obviously i'm trying to solve other slots i don't do voteparking

VOTE: the golden paradox

Why you omgus my liege?

I didn't

I think I caught that you were on him for saying you v Zurel were SvS theatre. Was there more to it?

2. Herta's second substantive post in the game (68) is asking me whether my vote is RVS. It's fairly clear to anyone who was reading that we were past RVS, so I'm not sure why he'd go there. As scum, Herta's focusing on things that don't require deep analysis (i.e. the lack of reasons attached to my vote). It's very easy for scum to look at a naked vote & question it. It's also evidence that Herta isn't putting much thought into the game, just grabbing easy things to comment on.

Your only two posts before that were two votes with no context, no reasoning, nothing. What else is anyone supposed to think? And it took you being called out to explain why you were voting Taylor:

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VOTE: not mafia

VOTE: Taylor

VOTE: Taylor

RVS yes?

More votes on Taylor!

More votes on Taylor!

why taylor?

Still wondering about this. Looks more and more like not rvs but ???

3. Where are Herta's early reads? He votes me, & then says a bunch of nothing about everyone else. In 116. he wants to keep Zurel from town reading Taylor too easily while also keeping Zurel from scum reading Fuzzy. Why? It doesn't square with Herta's defense of Taylor by attacking me. There's a lack of internal consistency to Herta's posting, and worse, no substantive commitment to any actual reads, just questioning other people's reads. This is how scum tends to play early game -- commenting on other people's reads, sewing doubt, but not actually taking positions of their own.

I don't give full reads lists early in the game; in fact I get suspicious of people who do. I had a couple of inklings:

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It can't be this easy, but

VOTE: GoldenParadox

This may lead us somewhere.

This shows playing for the good guys - looking to see what happens on wagons. Likely town?

Jackson's posting style is breezy but thoughtful. Leaning town there.

4. There's not much more to Herta's substantive posting beyond the above. Herta's been inactive during the important parts of this game. He's said nothing helpful or useful. When he finally posted again, he virtually ignored the main wagons, other than to say he didn't want to join them. He hasn't offered any substantive thoughts about most of the game's posts. He seems emotionally disconnected, unable to get involved. Scum tend to become emotionally disconnected from games where the town is doing all the work for them -- when town are voting each other -- and scum doesn't need to get involved or manipulate townies. As I've already suggested, I believe Nora's obsession with Golden is misguided, and it's likely causing scum to let town implode on itself instead of actively manipulating. This points most strongly towards Herta as scum.

Yes, I was inactive for a couple of days at the end of last week due to life, and in fact I was prodded. You saw my post about it being Sunday and I needed to catch up. It sounds like you've been delving into the wiki again coming up with this emotionally disconnected garbage being scum indicative. And manipulate townies? Why would I do that?

If you're town, you need to rethink your points again because your argument is actually pretty bad.

The good thing about this is the TGP wagon finally found a spark somewhere else and a viable counter took off pdq. That should say something. Turbo wagons don't happen in a vacuum. There's at least 1 or 2 red on my wagon rn.

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And the shade on geraintm is unnecessary as well. I'm not sure where you're coming from Shoshin, but it's misguided. I'm agreeing with geraintm that what I earlier thought were solving questions are jsut throw it up against the wall and see what sticks.

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I'm down to lynch Jackson because (a) he's scum, and (b) we save the mod the trouble of replacing.

This is a super underhanded move to misexecute a defenseless slot.

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I'm down to lynch Jackson because (a) he's scum, and (b) we save the mod the trouble of replacing.

I really don't think he's scum...

Okay, let's wait for replacement. That'll help clear things up.

Jackson's scum. No they aren't. Oh okay let's wait.

Way to hang on to your convictions.

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And to think I town read Geraint for 55 & 56...

Herta/Geraint seems like a plausible team. Partner could be any of Fuzzy/Jackson/Taylor/Golden.

What is it with people and Day 1 solves? It doesn't work that way.

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Now, Herta.

1. Herta's first substantive post (66) is calling Gertaint out for "OMGUS." That's typical scum play, throwing out some buzz words without actually analyzing the situation. If you look closer, it was fairly evident that Geraint's vote wasn't OMGUS, it was a surprisingly substantive vote.

um...it wasn't.
my vote was a random one done in the same way I do all my random votes

The vote didn't look random. Why'd you quote specific posts when you voted?

This torches your argument that it was a thoughtful vote, doesn't it? While it wasn't omgus, it wasn't a scum reading vote.

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Geraint attacks two people for voting Fuzzy. This isn't something you do unless you town read Fuzzy.

The fact that Geraint now doesn't have a town read on Fuzzy is very concerning.

I think you have to understand that just because you don't scum read or town read a particular slot doesn't mean the opposite.

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Geraint, why do you town read Fuzzy?

do I?

Your behaviours suggest you do.

well, I don't I don't find them scummythough if that is a thing?

It is a thing.

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in the beginning I was dismissive because I couldn't understand her logic for voting Taylor, as the game proceeded, her line of thought became clearer.

Here is another person who didn't know why you voted Taylor.

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Hiraki must be playing 4-dimensional chess or something. Can someone translate for a mere mortal? I'm being called out for flip flopping on reads and not being sure who is scum? Why that sounds like something to me. Yes, someone who doesn't know everyone's alignment.

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This is my only fairly confident sr given the way he's presenting.

VOTE: Hiraki

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We need more hats.

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Thanks for the game Shelly. Good job to town.