Micro 980: EMITGBSMoD [game over!]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sup guys
whos bad

im good

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

chemist probly killed bugspray

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ico we good?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

btw im conf town

shelly loves playing scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ico be smart unvote me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

LOL

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

chemist whats the mass claim at right now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

whats the gate on the tracker ?

and whats the complex on the vig?

one of you is fake-claiming - the other bad guy is in the VTs

its not me so its probly Ico

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

let's do this shit

Iconeum - VT
TheGoldenParadox -Checker
inutile - VT
Chemist1422 Gated Tracker
PookyTheMagicalBear - VT
Bingle -Complex Vig
chkflip -Loyal RoleStopper


Let's say the checker and rolestopper go with each other

we're dealing with 1 scum btw Inu/Ico
1 scum btw Chemist/Bingle

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Do vigs even belong in 9Ps?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I never read games I replace into

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can you gimme the highlights

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nah just the stuff you want me to know

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like what is this complex vig claim and why do you believe its no bueno?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gated tracker
rolestopper
checker seems kind of weak for town power

unless the mafia are ascetics.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so maybe the setup is

Mafia Ascetic
Mafia Goon
Gated Tracker
Loyal Role Stopper
Checker
VT
VT
VT
VT

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

in which case the solve is Bingle/Iconeum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

"I'm a complex vig. I can only kill non vanilla players."

lol there's no way that exists

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nah there's no way I'm scum here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

look at me

I am good

let's elim bingle and ico and win the game

u in?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why are flippy and tgp voting each other

their roles basically are married to each other

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why are flippy and tgp voting each other

their roles basically are married to each other

why aren't they mafia together to you?

because its unlikely 2 mafia fake-claimed TPRs


that would mean the actual setup is

Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia ???
Gated Tracker
Complex Vig
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT

and that doesn't seem very balanced

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I want to pick bingle's brain

where is my friend bingle

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

UNVOTE: hm

tgp who have you checked

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what gate did chemist claim?

@mod
if a tracker tracks an ascetic mafia, what is the result? Went Nowhere or No Result?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Mod
hypothetically

lets say a TPR was rolestopped and tracked. Would the tracker get a result?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

? im going off what you quoted - you said flippy rolestopped bingle

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no, the tracker's action would fail.

ok

so we have

bingle - complex vigilante? > inutile (fail)
thegoldenparadox - checker? > bingle (success)
chemist - tracker? > bingle (went nowhere)
chkflip - simple loyal rolestopper? > bingle (nothing to report)

if bingle is town and flippy is a rolestopper, then the tracker/checker should've gotten fails right.

Hence:
Either Bingle is not town
or
Flippy is not a rolestopper
or
Mafia Roleblocked Flippy.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Checker doesn't really make sense without a rolestopper

I think the easiest solution is that bingle is a mafia

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you understand that there's almost definitely a scum between flippy and bingle right?

unless theres a mafia roleblocker and like you guys planned out all these night actions the day b4

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

? whats simple? I thought flippy was a loyal rolestopper?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wait flippy is a simple loyal rolestopper? wtf is this setup

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

CURSE YOU DATISI!!!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why did flippy target a vig if he was simple and loyal?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like either his action would fail if bingle was scum or if bingle was town vig

either way his action fails

i don't get it

this makes no sense

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm getting my info from you aren't I

this is awesome

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Simple Loyal Rolestopper
Complex Vigilante
Gated Tracker
Checker

This is tough

I like flipping Ico tho

I like Inu - she seems to be so nice.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Inu are you snowing me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh snap drusilla

uh oh

dont kill me again im good this time <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky upon realizing Drusilla is here:

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Flippy is too nice this game

he's gotta be a bad guy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is that why Flippy is unusually subdued?

that's fair

Inu is terrifying >__>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its mostly PoE

I'm assuming 1 VT scum and 1 PR scum and I like Inu better than Ico

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you see a way this game could be balanced if it was 2 TPRs 5 VTs and 2 Scum roles? Which 2 TPRs would balance that?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you really not worried we might flip you here?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

flippy being this demoralized makes me sad

which makes me distrust bingle.

am i being emotionally manipulated

:_:

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Well if we're going to be talking about Shelly.

Shelly loves playing scum. She hates playing Town. Town can't kill people at night or do cool things. It is BOOORING.

She likes playing scum more than that famous Chicken Rice they have in Singapore - she once told me that she was having so much fun playing scum in a MS game she forgot to eat for 3 days.

she would never replace out of a game she was scum in. That's a fact.

Eat Dust DragonBoi

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

1 vote is hardly pressure dude.

and ShellyC is a legendary scum player

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

they were under pressure, getting scumread

they repped out

we flipped 'em

and they were red

this logic is so weak unless you can show Shelly doing this.

If you're just saying some random person replaced out how does this even apply?

like Ico just obvscumming it up rn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

they were under pressure, getting scumread

they repped out

we flipped 'em

and they were red

you're talking about someone not named shellyc here right?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is day 2 buddy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you accusing Shelly of replacing out for mech reasons?

think carefully how you answer that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its probly flippy/ico

after i flip town get them

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Ico

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

as i said, on top of this, i've seen shellyc rep out as scum when in a rough spot before

that's what i'm saying, and i don't appreciate you trying to make more of it

well obv i cant speak to why shelly replaced out since im not shelly, you're the one saying she repped out cuz she is scum in a shit spot bro

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what r u saying thats important

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm getting heated because i fucking hate being misrepped like that/twisting my words

i'll be back when cooled

thats NAI

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Cute AtE. Wonder why I've never seen this before.

lol that's not even ate

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why do you think they felt the need to go reread my iso and all of a sudden have a solid scumread on me?

how the hell would i know why shelly did anything she did

do i look like a psychic ?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i literally can't wrap my head around the claims and actions

why did the vig didn't work/didn't go anywhere?

mb u should read what i post then instead of trying to kill me for some shit you think shelly did

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

did you know that your slot townread my slot so hard they wanted me to go last during massclaim?

i didnt read the game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its probly flippy/ico

after i flip town get them

Cute AtE. Wonder why I've never seen this before.

quite a flip from "i don't care about the game anymore"

what changed Flippy?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

A passionate townread.

Super not weird that you're immediately scum reading your entire wagon.

lol ok flippy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

both of these are your problem, not mine

you rep in and refuse to read the game
you rep in and think that clears your slot? Like you get to start fresh?

gtfo lol

i think its basic expectation that I expect you to engage me on things I've done and not things that shelly has done.

There's no way I can be expected to explain the reads or thoughts shelly had.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lolol ok flippy next time somebody attacks me on random nonsense I'll just not defend myself and ignore them ok?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The burden of replacement.

lolok

"explain every thought your predessor had or you're lockscum!!!!"

lololololololoolol

ok flippy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think its basic expectation that i won't simply drop my entire scumcase on your slot simply because you repped in

There's no way i can be expected to drop my reads or thoughts i had on shelly

if your entire scumcase is based on thoughts in shelly's head it's pretty bad bro i dunno what to tell you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you 2 clowns are laugh out loud funny

if either of you are actually town here this town deserves to lose no joke

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

your entire case is based on thoughts in shellys head

dont pretend this is some good faith attempt to sort me lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

have unreasonable expectations

you're the one asking me to explain the thoughts in shelly's head like I'm some kind of psychic and I'm the one with unreasonable expectations!?!?!

LOL WHAT PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we exe this now and it *will* flip red

too bad im green

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and then we can work on the claim shenanigans

yea work out claim shenanigans at lylo great idea

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you ignore my case, you make fun of me and chk

what case are you talking about?

the one where I have to like time travel to the past and then psychically figure out what shelly was doing and then come back and explain to you guys how it came from a town point of view?

lololol okkkkkk

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Call me a fucking clown again.

clown

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no, the entire way you are treating me here is the definition of bad faith

take your clown and shove it

*pedit

yeah ok i'm stepping away again now

you're the one trying to elim me based on things shelly did that you know I have no idea how to explain because im not a psychic and choosing not to engage me on things I DID but I'm the one with bad faith?

OKOKOKOK

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

seems kinda restrained for town!flip

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

his case is a joke it literally depends on things in shellys head.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm glad you finally understand

nice edit mr. good faith :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

My case is clear and simple: Shellyc got stuck in their reads after everyone and their dogs claimed a pr. They went with the 'oh look, i just reread my townread and i was wrong! they're obviously scum!'
All the information was there previously, if they were town they'd scumread me for it a LOT earlier and not wait with it until 'needed'.

this is your case right?

You're saying Shelly's scum because she did "'oh look, i just reread my townread and i was wrong! they're obviously scum!"

so we're locked into our reads for life? not allowed to change our minds? like what game are you even playing here?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Datisi

Inutile why is it Bingle?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok you have me

VOTE: Bingle

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bingle why are you town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Bingle do you think Inu is town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

?

why do you have to be that? Can't you just be a goon?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my wim is very low

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

chemist why do you know for sure there are 3 TPRs?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

does complex vig kill mafia goons?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he just annihilated ico in a lylo so i imagine its pretty good :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If I'm anything that didn't target inu, why the fuck would I claim that I did?

?

you claimed a role that nobody saw visit inu so why are you saying the claim exonerates you?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Pooky

this is solely for reaction purposes

lolhammering will be considered a scumclaim

can you at least state that you think I am scum?

thanks

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

then you should not be voting me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

did you learn anything from dangling me over a cliff ?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

datisi literally just won a game by fake claiming checker

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that is kinda convincing actually

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

town flip would've hammered me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it wasn't? pretty sure he did claim it

and it also made no sense in the setup lol

at least in this game there's like a rolestopper for it to possibly interact with.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he did claim it, yeah

but with a claimed gunsmith that continuously had no results (blocked), it did kinda make sense tho

ok so what's a checker supposed to do in that setup then?

like if you think the setup is

Checker/BulletProof/Doctor vs RoleCop/????

What does the checker being the only investigative do?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

they are designed to find Mafia Ascetics mostly ?

I just finished this game:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84467


There were 2 mafia ascetics for the checker to find

but the checker thought she was useless and ended up getting killed

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm trying to determine if your level of non-knowledge about the Checker role is real because you clearly did not see how Datisi's claim in 2175 was transparently terrible since his checker did not interact meaningfully in any way with any other roles in the game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that is true

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so what do you think the setup in this game is Ico?

I don't even care if you have to put me down as red. just tell me which roles are in here and how it works.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so you think the setup is

Complex Vig
Simple Loyal Rolestopper
Gated Tracker
4 VTs

vs

???
???

What power do you think the scum have to make that balanced?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

"I think there is synergie between the complex and simple modifiers"

Can you explain the synergy?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not pushing

we r friends shooting the shit. let's talk openly. I am not going to flunk you on a test or anything. You don't need to be afraid of me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what's up with the kiddy gloves all of a sudden?
Yesterday you had the chainmail heavy armor gloves

it's a standard bad cop/good cop routine they use in the movies

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Flippy what do you think the setup is?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

propose a setup tho

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't outguess the mod, I play mafia.

It's not outguessing the mod when we have 4 claimed PRs and a setup that makes sense can help us solve the game.

Ico literally just lost 2175 because he never stopped to think if Roleblocker/Checker make sense together.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'd like all the TPRs to propose a setup that thinks makes sense for Datisi to run.

I have a few that I'm juggling around with in my head.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this game is very inactive

the reason I want to see what everyone's proposed setup is, is because I think it will help solve the game if we have 2 scum in the 4 claimed TPRs and it can also narrow down the pool.

This is the most likely setup I think we could be playing:

Checker
Tracker
Loyal Simple Rolestopper
4x VTs

vs

Mafia Ascetic
Mafia Rolecop

The most likely 2 TPR setup I think we could be playing is:

Checker
Complex Vig
5x VT

vs

Mafia Tracker
Mafia Goon

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I believe TGP's claim the most because he said he didn't even know checker existed before he got his role pm - I don't think a mafia would come up with that line.

Fitting a checker into the setup - it would make sense for Tracker/Checker to be able to find 1 bad guy each while the rolestopper can create false problems.

If the checker is a useless PR, I think it would make more sense for it to go with a complex vig.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually thinking about it more, I think this would be more likely as a 2 TPR setup:




Checker
Complex Vig
5x VT

vs

Mafia Tracker
Mafia Rolestopper

It would give the mafia both the ability to protect themselves from the Vig and also set up false guilties to the Checker.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

So what I'm asking in essence is.

@Bingle can you think of a balanced setup where your role exists and Flippy / Chemist are not lying?

same question really to all the TPRs.

I don't see why people are eager to kill more townies rather than the TPRs. You know some of the TPRs r lying - you don't know if there is scum in the townie pool.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

BINGLE/TGP/CHK vs 2 goon

Bingle is a negative utility role that confirms itself if it kills successfully. CHK is slightly less than a doc. TGP is a weak investigative that is hard to eliminate and potentially gives clears in conjunction with CHK.

you really think datisi would put a vig that couldn't kill scum into a game?

that seems like a very troll move and Datisi is not a troll imo.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

BINGLE/TGP/CHEM vs Rolestopper Goon

this setup would mean that checker is essentially useless and most of the town power comes from a vig who can only shoot 1 of the scum and a tracker?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

13 hours

people need to get it together and make a decision

i suggest eliminating bingle I think it is the easiest way to solve the TPR situation.

he will either flip scum or vig.

if he flips scum yah

if he flips vig I think 2 of the TPR claims are lying because I don't think this setup can be balanced with 3 TPRs including a Vig that can kill scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if we have a Vig I think we are in a 2 TPR world and all the townies become IC

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz i dont see how we can have a vig and 2 more TPRs

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ico do you understand what I'm saying about the setup here?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ico forget all that stuff.

do you understand what I am saying about the setup MECHANICALLY.

This has nothing to do with my alignment.

If you agree with my mech-analysis it doesn't matter what my alignment is.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think there are 2 different scenarios for this setup:


2 TPRs 2 Scum - We have a Vig.

3 TPRs 2 scum - we do not have a vig.

This is because I think a Vig can't exist with 2 other TPRs because that would be too much town power.

So if we flip bingle and he's a vig - that means 2 out of the three other claimed TPRs are lying - so all the townies are effectively ICs.

if we flip bingle and he's scum - that means the other 3 tprs are probly good and we need to find the scum in the townie pool.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gg all.

inutile a goddess in closed setups


thx for modding dats

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ive never seen you be anything but brilliant however :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think you guys would've had a better shot of winning if you killed TPRs instead of VTs?

Lol Ico <3 you're the best.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

same