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yeah I’ve been spamming this is not sustainable but it’s ok
anyways most is my thoughts at this point are in thread
I think guil is town
maybeeeee Norway is town but a little paranoid there
TGP seems townier than 2171 already, I like the point blank way of pointing to the posts that pinged town for him on Norway- innocentvillager
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TL 110 seems like an excuse
Glitch 130 entrance seems meh
GE 141 quick reversal on me seems genuine, the weird ask question again just for the sake of following up thing pings weird, but i think comes out as town because it's kind of explicitly a weird interaction that scum are usually hesitant to do for no reason
GE 154 "tired of waiting for an answer so i looked it up" seems like a towny mindset
Nero 173 is being a bit stubborn about read on me but eh seems solvy and they're explaining their pov. Maybe lean town for the "vote muh with me" part, again almost seems like blatant buddying but it's a townie mindset to want to just get people on board with you and go for the best vote possible
muh vs Nero: eh I can see muh's interpretation. It seems reasonable to have interpreted stuff the way he did
TS with the "stuff is NAI and let's move on" seems similar to their attitude from 2163, lean town but I haven't seen TS scum before so light
Guil 192 why does he not want people to sort him on claim? Literally wrote a whiole post on this how he wouldn't have claimed it if he were scum and how we were dumb for thinking they could be scum ascetic. Whatever i guess
On 290 ish now, not sure if anything has stuck out to me yet. Glitch posting still a little stilted/meh, wouldn't mind this slot going. Some light townvibes on TS
GE 326 backoff and switch again seems townie
Kanna 334 attacking my slot seems ehhh, if this is scum Nero is probably town. Don't think they are both scum ever really. The TR on Norway makes Norway more likely to be town
Norway 350 good vote on Glitch, mindmelded a bit with this one
NPOM 356 kinddd of seems townie, I like the replacement stats requesting, seems like something i would want to know
Guil 357 lol are they an alt, weird for them to bring it up
Nero 371 seems like a real reaction with all the really's, seems overblown if he's scum, idk
Nero 393 agree, ABR intro was very meh, didn't love TL's complain then replace out
GE 395 again, i like GE, really seems like they're trying to understand stuff
Uhhh JV 419 is town, the bomb drop and replace out seems like real frustration, this is kind of similar to Open 786 cult
NPOM 430 I kind of like this, although i have seen scum say stuff like this (Bulge Newbie 2023)
maybeee Kanna is scum, ABR voting for Kanna actually seems kinda mindmeldy now that i rethink
Norway 522 on Glitch, interesting, want to see what he comes up with, can kind of mindmeld here with Norway a bit
Nero 531 i TR this suspicion on me, it's very reasonable and clearly comes from excitedtown!Nero
Guil 537 LMAO i like, literally saw this coming from their last line of questioning, i had a feeling that was what he was going to target, the dumb wording. I don't even know if i think this is an intentionally obtuse alt anymore
TS 549 going after Nero seems kind of townie
ABR takes are kind of aggressive/minimal and i like them kind of
TS vs Nero probably TvT
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{Guil, Norway, GE} - townreads
{Nero, Pretentious} - towny
{TS, ABR} - lean town
{muh, TGP, NPOM} - null lean town
{TheDuke, Umlaut, May, Non} - null
{DGB, Glitch} - null leanscum- innocentvillager
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Umlaut saving me but giving me som eweird vibes with his catchup
I don't like the backtrack on 634 on the self consciousness of Guil, doesn't seem like a real read. I don't think the self-consciousness is scummy at all
Really vibing with 66 ABR, Glitch/Umlaut/Kanna are my scumpool, Golden and NPOM are whatever
GE 725 feels town, like this nuanced take
Guil 734 lol. If this is a troll alt, they really could be scum, but if not, it's just so blatantly screaming obtuse absorbed town
GE 746 what? i don't buy this at all. some people are just like that
Umlaut 772 complaining about catching up again blah blah scumtell ok, maybe. i complained as well so. idk umlaut just rubbing me the wrong way this game
TS getting townier with the backtrack on Nero? maybe? seems genuine that they're trying to reevaluate
Guil 791 i like keep townreading this kind of playstyle
Non reads are like whatever, im also biased in favor of activity, idrc, i don't see why people are pushing this. muh moving down for pushing this
muh 809 pings a little weird
muh at some point called Tay-Nero TvS, hmmm
Umlaut 812 i agree with this take on guil
DGB 824 WOW GE is scum, lets hear more. good takes so far
Glitch catching up seems pretty nullish, no opinion change
ignoring TS vs Nero again seems dumb and semantical, kind of NAI bc mafia cna use that to masquerade as noise/frustration
Guil 913 this kind of omgus comes from town i think
DGB vote and backoff seems genuine
ok im caught up time to reorganize reads- innocentvillager
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most of stuff ive been talking about in thread and I’m caught up
TGP might be town for the not knowing FL thing and it doesn’t seem faked? Might have to revisit this thought when pretentious actually flips
I think scumteam almost certainly all knows who Pretentious is bc someone does
I still think pretentious just town here tho please no lolhammers
I think one tell for scum in these larges is to look for people who are like hiding in scum chat, would manifest as burst posting- innocentvillager
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like the way he is engaging me is like that subtle sarcasm/sass that I’m being dumb and he doesn’t really care
which like, I would probably scumread most people in gneeral I admit, but umlaut has that very calm playstyle as either alignment that I like, feel like I am biased towards scumreading so I need to be cognizant there- innocentvillager
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hmmmmmmm
does nero do the kill tonight? it doesn't matter, i think we should just blitz him tomorrow, so checking him is pointless
ok, scum was almost certainly on the guil wagon
whoever tried to discredit guil, thats scum indicative. if im scum here im trying to find as many ways to just go "this part of your claim doesn't make sense, he's scum"
i thought it was kind of clear that he was fakeclaiming, but people just wrote him off as an idiot
he wasn't, it was just him confidently trying to fakeclaim something from his own mafia site (mafiauniverse), all the conventions he adhered to were from there
god i wish i was there in hindsight to push people away from voting him, i didn't think he'd actually get hammered, i just wanted to see what would happen
if i had considered there were ways to get redchecks other than "Alignment Cop" (lol, which obviously gets sanity checked in the scum PT), i probably could've pushed nero instead
anyway, my new role
i guess tracker ability is nice? but in a large, it's hard to imagine getting many guilties, negative checks are useless except to catch ppl in fakeclaims
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if nero is SK scum associations are pretty useless
im actually starting to think nero is SK, that's why i felt he was obvtown
would also potentially explain why he claimed VT, since that's what serial killers are generally supposed to claim when checked by rolecop, etc
he also claimed it very quickly when the redcheck was outted. so it was either planned by his scum faction afterward (like "oh, he's softing us, what do each of us claim if we're the redcheck")- innocentvillager
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damn, I didn’t have enough time to think much about this
I want to know if Nero flips SK or scum but I do think checking him is a waste so let’s just see what he flips tomorrow?
I hope scum but I think that might be optimistic
Given town universal backup, just skimming through other stuff, it’s probably either 4/13 or 3/1/13 I think- innocentvillager
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if Nero is mafia then there are a few people I think are less likely to be scum
specifically like glitch and dgb? those were specific lurkers he went after
I don’t know if mafia are anticipating town universal backup, because it does seem to be kind of common in larges, so if they’re more aware of a tracker they might have their less suspected partners do the kill
maybe I should just track someone I’m paranoid of?- innocentvillager
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i guess there aren't like that many scumteam where i don't go "oh let's let the low-info lurker slot who has been discussed like 2 times in the past 100+ pages do the kill"
they're not even deepwolfed so it's not even horrible if they get found out
trackers are unlikely to track them/roleblockers unlikely to target them
it's just, minimal loss (if they get found out) more reward (higher chance of kill going through)- innocentvillager
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specifically why this lurker and not others?
non imh actually had a wagon on them
may has been in a few pools and talked about
tgp... has been somewhat townread lightly but also talked about here and there
yeah everyone else has been like, talked about this slot
so i feel *ok* saying that starbuck is town here- innocentvillager
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damn idk if this comes from scum!Glitch often, seems kind of genuineIn post 2570, Glitch wrote:
ShitIn post 2523, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Ok so something doesn't sit right with me.
Guillotine says he was shot, making it 2 kills last night, and then he takes it back when TGP, umlaut and NPOM catch him in a lie because limited-shot BPs are not told they lost a BP counter.
He tells us to scumhunt but it's critical that town knows how many kills there were last night in order to make an informed analysis.
Now here's what's interesting.
If he backtracks and says he wasn't told he was shot, then that leaves the door open for only one kill last night. Guillotine, since he's gambitting, would have known this.
So his Nero push is completely nonsensical.
Nero pocketed Norwee, why would he kill him if he's scum?
Why would Nero pick up on Glitch/DGB day 2 right where Norwee left off, if Norwee was killed to prevent him from going after his secondary reads after Pretentious?
It doesn't stand to reason that Nero would kill Norwee who believed him to be town, just to finish off what Norwee was going to do anyway.
But Guillotina brushes my concerns off and tries to make me believe there were two kills.
This whole Nero push was bullshit, he backtracked and said it's not Nero, it's one of the other players on his list, and was forced to retract his BP lie as well.
Guillotina is scum.
VOTE: Guillotina
ABR intimidates me so bad and I think it's because I literally live by his Guide to Hunting Scum on the wiki and he seems to be a prestigious player in my mind. This makes it so hard for me to sort him because he just feels so town in my mind but paranoia gets the best of me. I know Tayl0r Swift has been banned but I get the same vibes on ABR as I did from TS: freaking ridiculously hard to sort and I'm so bad at reading them.
ABR, why do you think the Nero push was bullshit originally? Is there more to it than the 6 player list of "herp derp there's a red check in here?" Or is that it? Or is it that you're TR'ing Nero so the push is shit?
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i think this could definitely come from a vigIn post 2670, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Same, you said it perfectly.In post 2658, Umlaut wrote:I'm just inherently skeptical of theories that posit additional killing roles when there's been one kill per night, and I can't decide if the weirdness of Nero's being that kill is enough evidence to overwhelm that skepticism.- innocentvillager
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it's also very possible i just die tonight lol and that scum hit me yesterday, tbh i think im one of the the towniest slots in the game rn
still don't know if mafia killed nero cain, still kind of doubt it but with how much assumption there is on mafia killing nero in-thread for whatever reason maybe it's not as ridiculous of a scenario as im thinking ??
i still don't buy the idea that the scumteam somehow has 4 lurkers all not paying enough attention to the game to realize town will probably speed-elim nero the next day
yeah think im here...??? could go for anyone in the bottom two tiers tbh
can't believe we have one ML left, what a fucking meme
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TGP has really been underwhelming, basically seems like they're not trying at all ("what is there to comment on" -type comments, as town the mindset should be to try and proactively solve, not just "comment")
the muh wagon just brew out of pure apathy, but i don't really care that we hit that slot tbh- innocentvillager
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again, if scum were never really being considered, scum can kind of just let the muh wagon happen naturally
if scum were kind of being considered, id imagine a scum or two to jump onto the wagon earlier to help it gain traction
there was a long lag between when Umlaut posted his muh case and it being re-brought up and people actually joining, will have to think about that- innocentvillager
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actually Vaxkiller was kind of townie, it actually looked like he was trying to do something in this fucking gamestate before he really unnaturally switched off of ABR to muh
it's too openwolfy of a move to come from scum but because scum have incentive to do this, this could be getting into too scummy to be scum fallacy- innocentvillager
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again, assuming scum were being kind of consideredIn post 58, innocentvillager wrote:it's too openwolfy of a move to come from scum but becausescum have incentive to do this, this could be getting into too scummy to be scum fallacy- innocentvillager
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unwnd was also trying to do stuff but for some reason that felt more NAI, I'm worried he's scum here taking advantage of the apathy to drive the town down a false narrative (a lot of his analysis was very narrativy and not specific) and power driving miselims
ofc it could just be town genuinely trying to make something happen and make sense of the gamestate. if i had interacted with them more I could've probably put out some tests to see if they would poke further or just ignore- innocentvillager
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