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Hey everyone!

VOTE: NPOM

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I think BM might actually be scum here

And yeah ben looks towny to me too

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I think Titus is town. But I am rarely listened to day 1.

I agree. The strongest impression I get out of these starting pages is that Titus is Town.

Anime pfp let's team up please

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CHOO CHOO ANIME IS FOREVER

VOTE: rannygazoo

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Is vca theory?

Yesish

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Don't worry i hate vca anyways

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I'm cautiously watching superbowl

I feel like we always watch each other closely, one of these day's you'll be scum...

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Wait a minute, YOU were in that game.

FOS: Superbowl9

She was scum that game?? With DDL?

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114 is an awful vote, and bandwaggoning like this is scum-indicative in my experience.

Saving this for postgame so you can change this awful mentality

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Nah i legitimately just forgot, i still don’t even really remember it to be completely honest, last two games with titus she was a weird 3P half-town thing and we teamed up and iirc she was town in some other game? Idk I don’t keep track of games that hard because i don’t value meta that much

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Can yall use [post] tags when you put a post number?

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Interesting that you lump those two together. For me, it’s alchemist and superbowl9 who are most similar. But alchemist is just null to me. They’re not contributing, but they’re not contributing first. Then superbowl9 sees that they can get away with a content-free playstyle and follows suit.

What?? True I haven’t done much but where do you get that i’m playing off anime guy’s style without having a 4K view into my mental state? You really think I sat back and said “ahhhh time to contribute, OH WAIT! Another player isn’t contributing!! Awesome, now I can relax and shitpost rest of game gg town”??

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Feels like the whole game is centered around Titus ATM when from my skim she didn’t say anything abnormal

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Feels like the whole game is centered around Titus ATM when from my skim she didn’t say anything abnormal

would you rather it be centered around me?

Yes

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nah, I'm lazy and didn't feel like logging into that account to find it right now. I'm talking a lot in my post game for the scum game I just won right now.

I don't mind coming across as scummy.

In fact, I'm welcoming it.

I feel like we’re the same person but with just one tiny attribute that’s changed that makes us not get along

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I think Ranny v Superbowl might be S v T or T v S.

Why I was getting SvS vibes myself

But actually i was townreading them so interested in a real answer

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The whole he forgot I was scum argument in a past game is pretty shitty though.

If you want to elim me for only remembering 2 out of your last 3 alignments please be my guest

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I think ben’s scummy in this recent interaction if I sheep my anime brother once again does that look too suspicious though?

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So maybe friendly rivalry would be the best thing, which means I hope you're scum here, because I will catch you.

Yes let’s be frenemies

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The whole he forgot I was scum argument in a past game is pretty shitty though.

If you want to elim me for only remembering 2 out of your last 3 alignments please be my guest

I just said that argument was shitty. :/

Sorry the “you” shouldve been “yall” here

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VOTE: benhalkum

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I think ben’s scummy in this recent interaction if I sheep my anime brother once again does that look too suspicious though?

This is my reasoning

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FL you’re actually spitting straight facts this game

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Not sure why ben is self-voting at this stage, dont we have soooo long to deadline and he’s the first wagon? Comes off as scummy > desperate/defeated town imo

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Not sure why ben is self-voting at this stage, dont we have soooo long to deadline and he’s the first wagon? Comes off as scummy > desperate/defeated town imo

None of the above.

Indifferent.

Indifferent people don't self vote at L-2

pedit: welp

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Can we policy that tomorrow it needs to be punished from either alignment (unless ben's scum in which case they escape with a warning)

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Battle Mage is here too he knows.

but real talk at worst I hammered a VT who was playing anti-town and at best we caught scum.

Nope please do not minimize your quickhammer. The bad thing about them is that they mess up the normal flow of games/wagons and cut off our discussion time, which is especially important in this type of game where there wasn't much content to go off of

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VOTE: outworlder

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I dont want there to be any universe where a player thought “oh i quickhammered a PR but it was okay because i stayed alive” regardless of alignment. I will always advocate for punishing poor behavior

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Knowing Superbowl, I don't read so much into the "policy" stuff, as he is prone to hyperbole and being a little over-zealous at times. Not enough for a vote from me.

You know me this happens every game I push any type of policy

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outworld's recent posting has actually felt scummy as well

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People are trying to put the pressure onto Outer, but NPOM, Titus, and Super Bowl all jumped in fast after I did. I think all of you should be treated in the same way.

If anything, Outer is townier because they were the actual hammer.

What? I started my "push" the second after that hammer

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Also I'm not pushing you because I don't think your and Outer's thought processes to get where you both are on the game are even remotely similar

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off the back of post 420, I'm willing to give OutWorldER another day.

Wow really? I thought 420 was pretty bad

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People are trying to put the pressure onto Outer, but NPOM, Titus, and Super Bowl

all jumped in fast after I did.

I fucking love it. Lock towning Outer, lol

^Is this what you're referring to when you say I'm following up on your outer push lol?? Cause this:

Battle Mage is here too he knows.

but real talk at worst I hammered a VT who was playing anti-town and at best we caught scum.

Nope please do not minimize your quickhammer. The bad thing about them is that they mess up the normal flow of games/wagons and cut off our discussion time, which is especially important in this type of game where there wasn't much content to go off of

Is when my outer "push" started. If you'll notice its actually before you even mention the slot

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off the back of post 420, I'm willing to give OutWorldER another day.

Wow really? I thought 420 was pretty bad

nah I liked it - good effort and sensible response. My struggle with him remains that he feels way different here to the last game we played where he was town.

Felt to me very standoffish and almost aggressive? Not what I'd expect from town who just quickhammered a pr, but exactly what I'd expect from scum who did such. To each their own though

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oh you were talking about our votes coming shortly after yours FL? my b

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FTR NPOM I think FL's reasoning on this isn't bad and is pretty consistent with their general mindset so I don't see scum motivation there. I just 100% disagree with it but I understand his side of the argument

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I hate VCA

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NPOM my mindset is I want to punish poor behavior. Idrc if a quickhammer comes from town or scum just the possibility that it could be from scum is enough for me to say I don't want to allow that play to happen in any game I'm in. The other side is that this quickhammer has valid reasons that seem to indicate it's likely from town, as FL has (I think I didn't bother to read it because like I said i don't care what alignment it comes from) described.

Based on that he's looking at me and you pushing that today + me/you/titus/bm hopping on the wagon that got a quickhammer, since middle votes are more likely to be scummy than a quickhammer in that situation. I disagree with that because I think VCA is bad (not because of the quality of the VCA, which you'll have to talk to titus about) but both of my beliefs here are (i think) in the minority of MS users and are 100% subjective, so FL's take here is also valid.

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im ok with another short day now

same if we're getting rid of the quickhammer person, but otherwise disagree

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NPOM my mindset is I want to punish poor behavior. Idrc if a quickhammer comes from town or scum just the possibility that it could be from scum is enough for me to say I don't want to allow that play to happen in any game I'm in. The other side is that this quickhammer has valid reasons that seem to indicate it's likely from town, as FL has (I think I didn't bother to read it because like I said i don't care what alignment it comes from) described.

Based on that he's looking at me and you pushing that today + me/you/titus/

bm hopping on the wagon

that got a quickhammer, since middle votes are more likely to be scummy than a quickhammer in that situation. I disagree with that because I think VCA is bad (not because of the quality of the VCA, which you'll have to talk to titus about) but both of my beliefs here are (i think) in the minority of MS users and are 100% subjective, so FL's take here is also valid.

i wasnt on that fking wagon!

Not my words just summarizing FL

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Wagonomics I’m looking at, not VCA. Similar, but different

Yes. VCA is impossible atm. Wagonomics isn't.

Same diff i hate them all

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NPOM my mindset is I want to punish poor behavior. Idrc if a quickhammer comes from town or scum just the possibility that it could be from scum is enough for me to say I don't want to allow that play to happen in any game I'm in. The other side is that this quickhammer has valid reasons that seem to indicate it's likely from town, as FL has (I think I didn't bother to read it because like I said i don't care what alignment it comes from) described.

Based on that he's looking at me and you pushing that today + me/you/titus/

bm hopping on the wagon

that got a quickhammer, since middle votes are more likely to be scummy than a quickhammer in that situation. I disagree with that because I think VCA is bad (not because of the quality of the VCA, which you'll have to talk to titus about) but both of my beliefs here are (i think) in the minority of MS users and are 100% subjective, so FL's take here is also valid.

i wasnt on that fking wagon!

Not my words just summarizing FL

FL accused me of being on that Ben wagon!?

Maybe I misread but iirc yes, must have been a misremember

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LOL please elim me, lose, then say "whelp it was just a wrong read" and proceed to not learn anything as we get destroyed in the first 2 days. Love to see it happen, cherry on top would be the quickhammer actually coming from scum

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That looks like an attempt at trying to derail my accurate wagonomics.

I think you know this is false because I JUST stated I don't care about getting into the nitty gritty of showing whether a wagonomics argument is right or wrong since I hate it in general. I clearly just mixed up your wagonomics posts with your BM scumread, like I said I possibly did in my post about it. You still have reasons to SR me without pushing stuff that's clearly off base

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@Ranny, SB is at 2 votes.

I wasn’t on Ben’s wagon, but if voter #3 hadn’t been on it, it might have played out differently and we might not have eliminated a PR.

Nah you can just vote me don't be afraid of QHs, just punish them

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That looks like an attempt at trying to derail my accurate wagonomics.

I think you know this is false because I JUST stated I don't care about getting into the nitty gritty of showing whether a wagonomics argument is right or wrong since I hate it in general. I clearly just mixed up your wagonomics posts with your BM scumread, like I said I possibly did in my post about it. You still have reasons to SR me without pushing stuff that's clearly off base

Doesn't change the fact that it looks like it.

Yes, that's what happened if you are town. I'm not pushing it like it's the straw on the camel's back, we barely just got the camel.

This is my #1 gripe with players on this site, just because you COULD push an argument doesn't mean you SHOULD!

If you really deep down think to yourself that superbowl thought he would just accuse you of saying something you never said and think it wouldn't get corrected in an attempt to undermine the validity of wagonomics (which I have never done ask Titus!!! She has tried to get me to argue over VCA and I refuse!!), you would be a bad player.

I know you don't actually think this because you're not a bad player, but I think you think you can make the argument because it fits your predisposed narrative. It's just not helpful and makes us argue over stupid stuff instead of the ACTUAL essence of your scumread

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I'll reasses NPOM if super is wrong, but I strongly doubt it.

Sadly I think NPOM is going to get a lot of clout from my green flip. It's a hard to read slot so if it is scum it's a great scenario for them

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I don't want anyone driving who is flat out wrong. Flavor Leaf and I will drive.

PLEASE remember this tomorrow and take a step back both of you

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Why shouldn't you? I think if scum, it was a good point for you to make.

It's literally false, like objectively you can ISO Flavor Leaf and see he never claimed BM was on the wagon. Why would I craft an argument off a so obviously verifiably false premise? When I say in my post "i might be remembering it wrong but...", that doesn't give you any indication that I

MIGHT

have remembered it wrong???

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I'll reasses NPOM if super is wrong, but I strongly doubt it.

Sadly I think NPOM is going to get a lot of clout from my green flip. It's a hard to read slot so if it is scum it's a great scenario for them

What are your current reads?

Are you interested in any specific slot/interaction/game event because I'm kind of starting to hate readslists. Slots I would poke right now assuming I could dayvig outworld are alchemist, BM(although I find a better strategy with him is to townblock early and re-evaluate later), wiyvern, hessian, and non ihm.

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It creates a natural looking discussion, and forces the player to target it out, which looks OMGUSy.

I'm not saying it's what's happening, but if you end up being scum, it is 100% being used, at least now, as a way to get town read/take hold of discussion.

I'm literally telling you right now that we agree, you never said it. The way it could have gone is "No i never said that" "oh my bad" and it's done. Instead you've gone a step further and assigned manipulative intent where there's clearly none, and we're still having this argument. If you truly cared about me using this to take over the conversation you wouldn't still be arguing about it, the only reason you are is because you don't want to back off your point even though you understand it was weak.

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Don't worry you're still my anime buddy I just need to make sure you're not scum before you can become my town buddy

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I can start off the massclaim

I'm scum

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I'm like 90% that NPOM is town

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Not sure how I feel about this because I kind of want myself to die instead of NPOM, if we go with NPOM and he's town I'll be next and have to actually play but if I flip green I feel like we might be able to get off the current track we're on. I guess I have to scumclaim harder

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I'll claim because I'm not going to make much of an effort to shake the wagon off, I'm FV (gave to titus). I'm fine if you want to hammer as well, already pretty much said everything I wanted to about the game

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The one thing I will reiterate is please do not try to continue to pick scum off that ben wagon now that you've slightly narrowed POE, I think that will only get us into further trouble. Keep an eye on titus and BM if they're still alive as well.

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LOL hopefully as people play more with me they will realize that my style of play isn't really consistent

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Yes, I had a feeling titus wouldn't die. I was right! My role is easily scum aligned and claimable so I have no expectation that it will give me any clout

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You can just hammer me and find out if im scum or not

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Not going to self hammer but I think the guy who unvoted should

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Not going to self hammer but I think the guy who unvoted should

i'll give you kudos if you self hammer so i can see a flip before i sleep

Lol I don't want titus to be able to say "ohhhh my vca conveniently doesnt work because there were 2 self votes", also I think I've self hammered enough recently

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Why the unvote titus?

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Im fine with being the elim because honestly if I'm not the game will likely go back to much the same thing as today. I think the quickhammer took a lot out of the game which is ANOTHER reason why it sucks and we should still policy it

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Explain why town would target a high probability night kill to give fruit too?

High probability is in the eye of the beholder aint it? My read was right so unless you're suggesting I'm scum who gave fruit to my buddy why wouldn't I nk who I gave fruit to? Isn't that the whole point of this?

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plus my neighbour thinks you're town based on some meta or something.

I will second this you just kind of have to get used to the playstyle

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plus my neighbour thinks you're town based on some meta or something.

I will second this you just kind of have to get used to the playstyle

ok can we just do Hessian then?

I'm being stubborn and not moving off my policy unless i reeeeeaally need to. I think I will only do me or quickhammer person today (I can never remember the name) which is why I think you and the other black and white avi should just stay on me, titus will hammer eventually

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if superbowl, outworld and npom are all town, where the fuck does that leave us? Flavor Leaf and the lurker express?

Or titus. Titus or you + a lurker is where my mind is right now, but I don't think me pushing either of you is happening anytime soon

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plus my neighbour thinks you're town based on some meta or something.

I will second this you just kind of have to get used to the playstyle

ok can we just do Hessian then?

I'm being stubborn and not moving off my policy unless i reeeeeaally need to. I think I will only do me or quickhammer person today (I can never remember the name) which is why I think you and the other black and white avi should just stay on me, titus will hammer eventually

dude are you actually scum trying to do me a favour here?

LOL i’ve given the scumteam my head on a platter twice now so i think it’s the opposite

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Titus can you hammer please and just 1v1 BM tomorrow please

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i wish i hadnt claimed vanilla, or this wouldve been a great game to eat an NK in

Changed my mind I'm actually a 10-shot JOAT

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Titus can you hammer please and just 1v1 BM tomorrow please

No. I'm not hammering anyone until we get replacements in.

This will give them and Hessian no excuse not to be caught up and give content.

Fair enough

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not telling us who is scum

Okay that's actually not true. ISO me and you'll find MANY recent instances where I tell you who I think is scum, town, and what my overall game read is.

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Dont get me wrong I'm not saying you shouldn't SR me but not pushing =/= not providing

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LMAO THE SIBBLINGS ARE BACK

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Also are we gonna hammer me or not because im kinda done with the E-1 edging

pedit: havent tried reading alignment but hes been useful

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I've been eager to die for like the last 10 pages. I pretty much only want a policy today cause there was a QH yesterday so my use is minimal, and I'm not really keen to let a QH slide so I can scumhunt elsewhere. Also my elim would be pretty good info wise and my role is not useful on its own so yeah down to die today

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Also seems like we can't get consensus on anyone else so I really don't mind getting brother/sister hammered here

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I really don't mind getting brother/sister hammered here

Please don't take this out of context

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Here's my alternative proposition to yeeting me: we put our finger guns down towards others who are at least usefully contributing and get the quickhammerer out, then solve tomorrow because I think me/BM/titus/Math/FL are good enough to figure something out

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Also hi johnny

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This screams of town throwing a tantrum rather than scum.

LET ME POUT IN PEACE

Nah but i think I have logical reasoning as to why my death is almost actually good for town, you should read it!

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My townread on Alch is also fading, but that could be turkey coma.

Why are you so desperate to not elim SB9 or BM?

Both are fine elim candidates.

Please vote me then

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Poll: should I self hammer if math votes me

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VOTE ME MATH YOU WONT

The only way to defeat a quickhammerer is to become one yourself

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see i kinda feel like maybe Superbowl is being charitable to town here, by giving us a free scum-elim, cause he knows we're fked.

LOL I'm 100% gonna use this strat as scum cause yall are refusing to take me out!!

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He’s not giving us reads because he knows he’s caught and he doesn’t want to give us ammo to find the rest of his team.

THIS IS NOT TRUE ISO ME

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Lets be clear if I die pushing NPOM is scummy

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Can we hammer me already 5 hyperposters is too much for me

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I think i have too many townreads for math's mason claim to make sense

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Wow shoulve selfed when I had the chance

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I think i have too many townreads for math's mason claim to make sense

Scum say what?

I don’t care about your reads I know I and X are town per the mod.

You’re scum. FV + Neighborizer + Roleblocker doesn’t all make sense

Too much town power

If i could self hammer I would and prove you wrong on the spot

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VOTE: superbowl9

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That would be embarrassing if I counted wrong

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VOTE: superbowl9

Dude, you’re getting worked by scum trying to misfade you.

LOL i hope this was /s

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Shit I think I did miscount which sucks cause now I have to go back and find the QH guys name

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VOTE: OuterWorld I think?

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i dont really see why you bother claiming PR and saying "I crumbed my partner in a really obv way". like, you may as well just claim them at that point but w/e!

No clue what you're talking about, I'd trust MathBlade with the nuclear launch codes. He's never revealed a secret in his life

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Can I get a launch code crumb Math

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I am assuming fruit vendor is scum to try to get itself townread easily.

I said my claim was scummy when I made it... I've been trying to get myself killed for ages now

pedit: I am a fruit mason

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Modifiers?

Crunchy

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Can I get a list of all claims please I'm getting confused.

No we can do that tomorrow, none of the current claims were necessary

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Can I get a VC?

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Oh I forgot about my buddy alchemist sorry man but u definitely scum here

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BM you can hammer

VOTE: superbowl9

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Oh we lost this? LOL

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Let me just say to all yall policy elim haters: you may want to consider hopping on the wave 0.o

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NPOM we make a good team. I'll give you one free scum pocket so we can keep playing well together

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Also titus may need a duster from the sheer amount of lint she collected in flavor's pocket