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Post Post #25  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:15 am

In post 22, Datisi wrote:VOTE: kyoko

are you purposefully not seeing ythan's post before i voted him where he told people not to vote him?


I can very well see it

But felt like you've been opportunistic about that vote so I mentioned it

weren't you?
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Post Post #26  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:16 am

yeah, kyoko's posting is very dumb

is it scum? probably not, it's a mildly town thing to do to get the game out of RVS and create content, even if that content is very dumb
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Post Post #27  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:16 am

In post 26, Horsewoman wrote:yeah, kyoko's posting is very dumb

is it scum? probably not, it's a mildly town thing to do to get the game out of RVS and create content, even if that content is very dumb


I don't appreciate being called dumb
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Post Post #28  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:18 am

i apologise if that looked like a personal attack. i don't even think your posts came from a place of being dumb, i think you were just grasping for something to move out of RVS with. which as i said is a good and mildly town thing to do.
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Post Post #29  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:19 am

In post 28, Horsewoman wrote:i apologise if that looked like a personal attack. i don't even think your posts came from a place of being dumb, i think you were just grasping for something to move out of RVS with. which as i said is a good and mildly town thing to do.


No offense taken
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Post Post #30  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:21 am

In post 25, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 22, Datisi wrote:VOTE: kyoko

are you purposefully not seeing ythan's post before i voted him where he told people not to vote him?

I can very well see it

But felt like you've been opportunistic about that vote so I mentioned it

weren't you?

define "opportunistic"? my thought process didn't go deeper than "oh look, ythan said not to vote him, it would be funny to vote him." while it definitely wasn't *random*, it also wasn't serious.

but i wasn't talking about your read on me, i was talking about your read on ythan. you called him a bit sus/desperate for calling my vote on him predictable, and to me it seemed that you were, for some reason, ignoring the fact that the post before my vote was a "don't vote me" post, which i thought he was referencing when saying my vote was predictable?

that turned into a word salad but whatever
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Post Post #31  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:29 am

In post 30, Datisi wrote:
In post 25, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 22, Datisi wrote:VOTE: kyoko

are you purposefully not seeing ythan's post before i voted him where he told people not to vote him?

I can very well see it

But felt like you've been opportunistic about that vote so I mentioned it

weren't you?

define "opportunistic"? my thought process didn't go deeper than "oh look, ythan said not to vote him, it would be funny to vote him." while it definitely wasn't *random*, it also wasn't serious.

but i wasn't talking about your read on me, i was talking about your read on ythan. you called him a bit sus/desperate for calling my vote on him predictable, and to me it seemed that you were, for some reason, ignoring the fact that the post before my vote was a "don't vote me" post, which i thought he was referencing when saying my vote was predictable?

that turned into a word salad but whatever


Opportunistic as if you were waiting for a reason to make that vote and they gave it to you with the "Don't vote me" post.

Also, it felt desperate because of the way he built up his content to that point and his "don't vote me" post doesn't make me feel otherwise at all. You don't see how that looks desperate to call your vote on him predictable after they say "don't vote me please"?

Both of those reads are just based on how I felt you were "feeling" when you made such content and of course are not solidified reads which are the best I could get from page 1.
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Post Post #32  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:31 am

reposting this as an answer to your question about why it felt desprate

In post 20, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
Ythan wrote:Can you elaborate on informed?


It's a very weak read at this point but

Calling votes predictable at this stage of the game in reaction to them voting you, just suggest that you felt desperate about few random votes on you or that you have pre-information about people that you felt it's predictable.

"You're scum"
"OMG this was so predictable"

It's just a bit sus you don't agree?
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Post Post #33  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:40 am

In post 31, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 30, Datisi wrote:
In post 25, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 22, Datisi wrote:VOTE: kyoko

are you purposefully not seeing ythan's post before i voted him where he told people not to vote him?

I can very well see it

But felt like you've been opportunistic about that vote so I mentioned it

weren't you?

define "opportunistic"? my thought process didn't go deeper than "oh look, ythan said not to vote him, it would be funny to vote him." while it definitely wasn't *random*, it also wasn't serious.

but i wasn't talking about your read on me, i was talking about your read on ythan. you called him a bit sus/desperate for calling my vote on him predictable, and to me it seemed that you were, for some reason, ignoring the fact that the post before my vote was a "don't vote me" post, which i thought he was referencing when saying my vote was predictable?

that turned into a word salad but whatever

Opportunistic as if you were waiting for a reason to make that vote and they gave it to you with the "Don't vote me" post.

Also, it felt desperate because of the way he built up his content to that point and his "don't vote me" post doesn't make me feel otherwise at all. You don't see how that looks desperate to call your vote on him predictable after they say "don't vote me please"?

Both of those reads are just based on how I felt you were "feeling" when you made such content and of course are not solidified reads which are the best I could get from page 1.

usually when i see someone accusing someone else of being opportunistic, it's generally used when someone jumps on a wagon to help it drive forward to an execution. i'm kinda confused why you'd call a second vote on someone on page one, an obviously non-serious one too, opportunistic?

and i kinda don't? like, it was a second non-serious vote on page one. i had a feeling nobody other than extreme newbscum would actually start panicking or feel desperation at that?

yeah that's fine, nobody is expecting you to have ~solid reads~ on page one, obviously.
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Post Post #34  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:48 am

no i demand the most solid reads, any incorrect readers on page 1 will be executed.
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Post Post #35  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:52 am

To scumhunt, the best way is to think how would a scum do when they were in such a position and to see if it makes sense for them to react the way they did or not

How would a scum be on page 1? Active scums usually want to keep their vote on someone to be able to lead arguments to the directions they want. For this reason, they are looking for opportunities to find an easy vote at end of RVS on a wagon that might get the tension from rest too - so they can claim credit for pushing it since ver start. Being opportunistic means, when you see they are voting you, and a good vote on them and them doing a poor reaction, put a vote on them without giving them any way to respond to it (which won't help the game to progress from RVS)

Again - This is literally a first impression and not even an accusation that you need to respond to

About them being "desperate", It's only natural to feel concerned when there are votes on you even if those are on RVS. Being desperate is reflected on the tone and the timing of the reaction - since it's obviously not purely a joke and all posts even the ones on the RVS stage can reflect emotions well.
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Post Post #36  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:55 am

And I'm not a usual player. You will see me use terms like that (opportunistic, desperate, ...) a lot and against everyone even my town reads. Being opportunistic is also not a scumtell.

What makes a scumtell a real one is a story you can make with all these clues when you gather them all.
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Post Post #37  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:33 am

I obviously don't know you as a person. But that post reads like an attempt to backtrack for me. You have spent 2 pages explaining why you initially had a scumread based on 'opportunism' and now ypure like 'lol it isnt even a scumtell'
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Post Post #38  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:44 am

I have a response to that but given you're targeting Kyoko I'll see how she defends herself before I muddy the water.

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Post Post #39  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:00 am

In post 37, Horsewoman wrote:I obviously don't know you as a person. But that post reads like an attempt to backtrack for me. You have spent 2 pages explaining why you initially had a scumread based on 'opportunism' and now ypure like 'lol it isnt even a scumtell'


If you ask me a question I'll answer it. If you ask me 20 questions I will answer with 20 posts.

There isn't any backtrack on anything I said and my point was as transparent as it could be since the first post. I never said they are a scumtell; just that I don't like them and explained why as a response to all the questions which were asked about it.

Few posts ago you made a joke and admitted that people will not have solidified reads on the first page of the game. May I ask what changed about your expectations there?
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Post Post #40  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:02 am

In post 39, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:I never said they are a scumtell; just that I don't like them and explained why as a response to all the questions which were asked about it.

Never mind that covers it.

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Post Post #41  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:07 am

kyoko, is there a correlation between "things you don't like" and "things that you think are a scumtell"?
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Post Post #42  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:12 am

In post 41, Datisi wrote:kyoko, is there a correlation between "things you don't like" and "things that you think are a scumtell"?


Yes of course.

No action is by itself a direct or conclusive scum tell unless direct scum claims or actions that are based on elements in-game that change the natural probability assumptions in the game. An action becomes a scum tell when it makes sense - that it was done by scum to push a certain agenda. To find the agenda, one must find any irregular or alarming actions and reactions and try to connect them to see if they can see the other person as scum doing them all or not.

In simpler words, I find the stuff that I like and don't like about people and put them all together and will try to assume myself in their position to see why would they do what they did. That's basic scum hunting.
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Post Post #43  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:15 am

do you have any opinions on anything on this page/since your intial read being odd or alignment indicative?
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Post Post #44  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:16 am

I feel like you guys are very obsessed with my playstyle atm - or are using these questions to distract the natural flow of the game.

I prefer to leave chat for now so more people can come online and react to the stuff that happened so far.
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Post Post #45  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:27 am

the "that's basic scumhunting." line feels a bit... is mockery the right word? i don't think it's alignemnt indicative, my poor hurt ego just wanted to point that out.

i feel like i'm gonna have a hard time reading kyoko this game because my first instincts are to latch onto what appears to be too logic-y and ramble-y, especially without any hard conclusions, and false-positives from such playstyles did sometimes lose me the game. maybe i'll do a metadive at *some* point if i'm not gonna feel too lazy.

vague +town to horsewoman for because ~mindmeld~, that is where my questions were going to lead up to.

by the way, you said it's your first game here, your posts so far make me think you have prior experience, am i correct?
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Post Post #46  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:30 am

I never said it's my first game here :shifty:

and yes I have a lot of prior experience.
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Post Post #47  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:32 am

oh your question was @horsewoman
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Post Post #48  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:32 am

whoops, i thought it was gonna be clear that part was aimed at horsewoman, my bad

pedit: yeah
thanks for answering anyway, though
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Post Post #49  (ISO)  » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:37 am

In post 39, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:There isn't any backtrack on anything I said and my point was as transparent as it could be since the first post. I never said they are a scumtell; just that I don't like them and explained why as a response to all the questions which were asked about it.

I was hoping Horsewoman would reply to this after accusing Kyoko of backtracking.

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