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[Alchemist21]

I think Titus is town. But I am rarely listened to day 1.

I agree. The strongest impression I get out of these starting pages is that Titus is Town.

[Alchemist21]

I think Titus is town. But I am rarely listened to day 1.

I agree. The strongest impression I get out of these starting pages is that Titus is Town.

Anime pfp let's team up please

Sounds like a plan to me!

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: superbowl9

Hey you can’t go and vote the guy I just teamed up with!

VOTE: Rannygazoo

[Alchemist21]

You guys want me to claim my negative utility or have it surprise you later?

That depends on how badly you’d screw with Night Actions.

[Alchemist21]

I think Titus is town. But I am rarely listened to day 1.

I agree. The strongest impression I get out of these starting pages is that Titus is Town.

what other impressions did you get

That Battle Mage is a technical player focused on theory. That’s not a read on their alignment, but it’s good to understand the personality of someone you’re trying to read.

[Alchemist21]

Nah i legitimately just forgot, i still don’t even really remember it to be completely honest, last two games with titus she was a weird 3P half-town thing and we teamed up and iirc she was town in some other game? Idk I don’t keep track of games that hard because i don’t value meta that much

1st hand meta from several games’ experience is actually pretty useful and it’s why I’m seeing Titus as Town here.

[Alchemist21]

UNVOTE:

I thought 59 and 87 were scummy at first but I reread and I can actually see the viewpoint now, it just took me a minute.

i have a couple places I'd want to go for votes but first:

@ranny

why are you pushing up superbowl and ignoring NPOM completely? I'd argue NPOM's posting is even more devoid of content than superbowl?

@alchemist

you stated impressions on BM and Titus, what's your impression on ranny, the guy you're currently voting?

It’s actually null. I voted there for a joke but I don’t see a reason to move my vote yet.

[Alchemist21]

My take on Titus’ mood here is that she would have been using it to push a specific slot if she were scum, rather than entering with a general annoyance not aimed at anyone in particular as she did here.

[Alchemist21]

UNVOTE:

I thought 59 and 87 were scummy at first but I reread and I can actually see the viewpoint now, it just took me a minute.

i have a couple places I'd want to go for votes but first:

@ranny

why are you pushing up superbowl and ignoring NPOM completely? I'd argue NPOM's posting is even more devoid of content than superbowl?

@alchemist

you stated impressions on BM and Titus, what's your impression on ranny, the guy you're currently voting?

It’s actually null. I voted there for a joke but I don’t see a reason to move my vote yet.

If you voted as a joke originally but see no reason to move your vote at this point, can you elaborate why your vote is no longer a joke but deserving of staying?

Because it’s better on a wagon than nowhere. Does it bother you that I’m keeping my vote on Ranny?

[Alchemist21]

Looked it up.

Mini Normal 2102.

And honestly, now that you bring it up, right now you completely seem scum to me based upon your play style there and how you're being now.

And your thoughts when it comes to me specifically trying to get your attention whilst doing the exact same thing I did in that game?

Not sure. Maybe assumed I wouldn't look it up as you know typically I'm pretty inactive?

I'd have linked it for you.

If you were going to link it, you would of when you first mentioned it instead of saying "I think I won a game a scum with ben". Seems odd to bring it up then when pushed back that, to me for now, makes you seem scummy, you jump right into a defensive stance.

Just what I'm seeing atm.

It’s a weird take to say someone wouldn’t link something just because they didn’t do it when they first mention it. You’re telling me you’ve never seen someone talk about past games without linking them?

This makes it look like you’re just looking for any reason to push FL.

VOTE: benhalkum

[Alchemist21]

I think Ranny v Superbowl might be S v T or T v S.

Which do you think is more likely scum?

[Alchemist21]

Seems more of a OMGUS vote than a logical one at this point. Why are you threatened by being asked a few questions?

I voted you for your statement about FlavorLeaf. How is that OMGUS to you? Your attempt to flip this back on me makes it look like you feel threatened.

[Alchemist21]

Self vote followed by a quickhammer. What the hell even is this game anymore?

[Alchemist21]

if OutworldER is scum, he has experienced teammates. Would probably imply at least 1 of Titus/Flavor Leaf as scum too.

Why do you think that?

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I remeber him being the strongeest proponent of ben's elimination.

What’s your take on Overworld’s hammer?

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I remeber him being the strongeest proponent of ben's elimination.

What’s your take on Overworld’s hammer?

my take is he leveraged the fact I had done something like that in my last game with him, as a crutch to absolve himself of responsibility.

That doesn't imply he's necessarily scum, but it means it's not something I townread either.

If he’s done it before I would just think it’s impulsiveness on his part.

[Alchemist21]

Ohhhhh. My bad.

[Alchemist21]

i think there's something reassuring in the way NPOM joined the Hessian wagon without question, but was more hesitant on Wiyvern. Presumably those suspicious of NPOM can get behind the Hessian wagon on that basis.

I am driving consensus Titus.

I disagree. What difference exists between Hessian and Wiyvern exists that they should treat them differently? NPOM is saying some suspicious things and if they flip red I’ll be looking at Wiyvern as a potential partner.

I also don’t see how NPOM’s hesitation on Wiyvern makes the Hessian wagon more preferable of the 2.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

[Alchemist21]

i think there's something reassuring in the way NPOM joined the Hessian wagon without question, but was more hesitant on Wiyvern. Presumably those suspicious of NPOM can get behind the Hessian wagon on that basis.

I am driving consensus Titus.

makes me think Wiveryn over Hessian as a partner for NPOM.

nah i'd say the opposite. scum don't tend to need much talking into distancing their teammates. although im still leaning NPOM town now anyway I think.

I strongly disagree with that take on distancing. Some people are bus-it-into-the-ground players but most aren’t.

[Alchemist21]

I don’t feel like enough has been said about why Andres was nightkilled.

The fact that it was him, relatively inactive, and not someone driving the game hints that 1) his few posts were right, and 2) there’s a more experienced player on the scum team. The only real scumread he had was superbowl9. I know it’s WIFOM, but when I read a finished game and look at the mafia chat and why they chose their targets, usually the good wine is firmly in front of me.

Less-experienced scum will kill less active slots as safe-kills to avoid a Doc protect.

But I’ll concede I’m not good with NKA anyway.

[Alchemist21]

I don't want anyone driving who is flat out wrong. Flavor Leaf and I will drive.

PLEASE remember this tomorrow and take a step back both of you

I AM SITTING PASSENGER AND EVERYONE THINKS IM DRIVING

Everyone hates a backseat driver.

[Alchemist21]

I would like to note the potential danger of me seeing Alchemist's posts, immediately getting happy, wanting to vote NPOM with them, and then I remember Day 1.

I kinda doubt we see a repeat performance of Ben’s wagon.

[Alchemist21]

I'll reasses NPOM if super is wrong, but I strongly doubt it.

Sadly I think NPOM is going to get a lot of clout from my green flip. It's a hard to read slot so if it is scum it's a great scenario for them

What are your current reads?

Are you interested in any specific slot/interaction/game event because I'm kind of starting to hate readslists. Slots I would poke right now assuming I could dayvig outworld are alchemist, BM(although I find a better strategy with him is to townblock early and re-evaluate later), wiyvern, hessian, and non ihm.

[Alchemist21]

I’m just quoting this to bookmark my post. Work kept me busy and I have a lot of pages in this game to still catch up on (seriously wtf happened?).

I disagree with the people calling BM scum in these past few pages I read. He’s kinda all over the place with votes but I don’t see the scum motivation for it. Reads more like Town who really doesn’t know what to do here. I think scum here would have an idea of what they want the gamestate to be and would either push for a more focused path or let it be if it’s already what they want.

[Alchemist21]

Oh I forgot about my buddy alchemist sorry man but u definitely scum here

Alchemist, is this true? No lying.

It’s true that he’s my anime buddy but it’s not true that I’m scum.

[Alchemist21]

Y’all make my head hurt. My NPOM read hasn’t changed.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

Fine I'm town even neo.
N 2 target ower - not vanilla

Why them?

Why are you giving this claim any credibility? FL’s gambit already caught him out as lying and you said yourself Neap is too much Town power with everything else claimed. Neap claim should be equal to a scumclaim to you.


P.S. Can we not do the thing where we put ourselves at E-1 today?

[Alchemist21]

Why did you want Outer to claim first?

To see if he claims vanilla

He already claimed vanilla.

Well then that solves that

Stuff like this is why NPOM is scum.

[Alchemist21]

@Mathblade, why did you crumb so hard yesterday to the point of practically claiming?

[Alchemist21]

@Mathblade, why did you crumb so hard yesterday to the point of practically claiming?

Because that’s how hard I usually crumb and people don’t see it. There’s a recently completed game where I was town bp weak doctor and did it in a specific way to help my top townread ABr. Here Titus was in the game and I am her literal Achilles heel and the majority of her scum reads were my slot and mason buddy. If she was town she needed to readjust as she is a vocal player, so it was designed for her specifically.

Ok I guess? I just thought you looked more like someone begging to get NK’d rather than an actual Mason, and if that’s what you were doing then Ranny was scum going along with it.

[Alchemist21]

With masons a good way to verify that claim is to look at the other suspected masons iso. They will either do a crumb or something like that to show masons. For your theory to be valid Alch it would have to be before I replaced in as Ranny mentioned masons. So scum would either have to have planned a mason fake claim before I was here. The simpler answer and the correct one is we are masons.

Tbh I don’t think Ranny’s post was much of a crumb. I also don’t get why neither of you died unless scum knew Masons wasn’t the case.

[Alchemist21]

Alright. I'm still confused why he said I claimed VT when I never did but okay.

Got you confused with BM. He claimed vt when he claimed neighborized. That’s what I was thinking of.

NPOM running with it instead of knowing if you were right or wrong is why they’re scum. You don’t just miss a claim from the one player whose claim you should be looking for.

[Alchemist21]

I possibly have more experience with FL than anyone here and his play that caught you was one of his more solid gambits.

[Alchemist21]

This makes it look like you’re just looking for any reason to push FL.

Alchemist, why have you been chainsaw defending FL since forever?

I’m pushing NPOM, which I was also doing yesterday. I even quoted your interaction with NPOM as a reason why NPOM’s scum and you said nothing about that so from where I’m standing it looks like you just want to discredit my push on NPOM.

[Alchemist21]

Can I have a free class in D&D? I’ve been curious about it but never checked into it.

[Alchemist21]

Y’all make my head hurt.

I have a headache.

Titus is confTown.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I remeber him being the strongeest proponent of ben's elimination.

What’s your take on Overworld’s hammer?

my take is he leveraged the fact I had done something like that in my last game with him, as a crutch to absolve himself of responsibility.

That doesn't imply he's necessarily scum, but it means it's not something I townread either.

If he’s done it before I would just think it’s impulsiveness on his part.

Specifically here he abandons the quick hammer scummy theory then goes Ohhhh my bad yet tomorrow never pushes outer. This is a line of incongruency that doesn’t make sense.

I never said the quickhammer was scummy, just bad play. And I think the E-1 self votes were worse than the hammers themselves.

And I didn’t disappear when Rammy pushed me. I responded to his posts. You both are misrepping my posts at this point.

[Alchemist21]

@Alchemist stop lurking and tell us your solve.

What’s your solve Alch?

What are your reads?

And imho that’s not a misrep. You didn’t answer this anywhere I could find. Lurking can be active

I’m still trying to figure that out. NPOM I’m sure of. There could be a weird bussing tactic between him and overworld but, nah that’s not right because again he would have had more certainty on whether overworld actually claimed VT or not when Ranny brought it up. FL’s not the bussing type so I’m ruling out the idea that that’s s/s.

BM/NoElim/Titus would have to have the other 2 if the Masonry is real which I am still skeptical of tbh. Take out Titus because of the Town headache and you get NPOM/BM/NoElim as most likely.

[Alchemist21]

FL’s not the bussing type so I’m ruling out the idea that that’s s/s.

Did you read his scum guide at all? This isn't outside of FL's range if FL is scum.

This would be drawing attention away from the third scum.

The problem is that I have too many viable theories and not enough people active outside Math/FlavorLeaf/NPOM to really filter them down.

I’ve known him to bus exactly once. It really isn’t his style, and I’m not going by his guide, I’m going by the multiple games I’ve played with scum FL.

[Alchemist21]

And why haven’t you been poking BM/No Elim to sort that? Why was your ISO all NPOM before replace in and not sorting the quick hammer by Outer which you noted was weird? Why did that disappear? You didn’t say the word scummy but the implication is there.

Because where the fuck even are they? We can’t even get the rest of you to vote obvscum NPOM; there’s no sense in adding extra noise for wagons that shouldn’t happen today.

And no, that implication isn’t there. You’re assuming too much.

[Alchemist21]

Why do people keep bringing up what RadiantCowbells would do as if everyone plays the same as him?

[Alchemist21]

VT

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Titus

[Alchemist21]

Good game everyone.

[Alchemist21]

bro I should lolhammered Superbowl too and this would've been the perfect game

I was going to make jokes about Not_Mafia taking over my account lmao.

FL actually used to hammer every E-1 wagon too. lol

[Alchemist21]

I'm in a no bullshit mood and I am sick of getting nightkilled day one and then praying people solve without me.

How much of this was real and how much was baiting a night kill on a vt?

Curious on that as well. I actually took it at face value and voted against killing her N1 just so she could actually play the game.

[Alchemist21]

I would like to note the potential danger of me seeing Alchemist's posts, immediately getting happy, wanting to vote NPOM with them, and then I remember Day 1.

I kinda doubt we see a repeat performance of Ben’s wagon.

This aged well.

[Alchemist21]

Mason PT is still locked.