Villagers • The Second Market • Who is the winner?

vincentw · Post Post #275 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:32 pm

You can't play the Weaver by themself without playing every villager that comes before the Weaver in the chain: the Shepherd and the Spinner.

Feel free to change your turn.

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #276 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:35 pm

Cancel weaver, pm sent.

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #277 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:48 pm

request for prod extension please

. It’s almost 3 am and I haven’t eaten a thing all day.

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #278 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:10 pm

place frommager

vincentw · Post Post #279 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:18 pm

Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
request for prod extension please
. It’s almost 3 am and I haven’t eaten a thing all day.

Understood. I'll invoke the V/LA timer for you and add 24 hours. We're working this out behind the scenes!

(expired on 2020-12-18 13:40:00) on the timer.

Nancy Drew 39 wrote:place frommager

Would you wish to place more or is that everything?

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #280 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:26 pm

In post 279, vincentw wrote:
Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
request for prod extension please
. It’s almost 3 am and I haven’t eaten a thing all day.
Understood. I'll invoke the V/LA timer for you and add 24 hours. We're working this out behind the scenes!

(expired on 2020-12-18 13:40:00) on the timer.

Nancy Drew 39 wrote:place frommager
Would you wish to place more or is that everything?

Thanks. Is it optimal I place more if I can?

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #281 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:27 pm

Also place scribe

vincentw · Post Post #282 (ISO) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:34 pm

Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Thanks. Is it optimal I place more if I can?

No worries. Placing more could be good if you have the villagers necessary to do so.

Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Also place scribe

That's 2. You can place one more if you wish, or stop.

vincentw · Post Post #283 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:37 pm

Thank you for your patience, everyone. Nancy has PM'd me that she'll be playing the Shepherd last.

Nancy Drew 39

started her turn by placing the

Fromager

, going after the

Milk Maid

.
The Milk Maid goes inactive for

-2 Food

, which the Fromager covered by providing

15 Gold

and

1 Food

.

Next, she placed the

Scribe

.
The Scribe scores 1 Silver for every villager she has in her hand. At the end of the turn, she'll be left with 10 villagers in her hand, which translates to 10 Silver.

Finally, she placed the

Shepherd

.
The Shepherd gives the Village

1 Food

.

The village of

Wisteria

ended the turn gaining

15 Gold

and some Silver.
Here's how the Village looks after that turn.

Nancy Drew 39

Spoiler: Village

Finally, a few moments before the Second Market, the village of

Montleduc

takes its turn.

The RoadNo stacks left; discard a villager for a Basic Villager.

Basic Villagers
Miner	5
Hayer	4
Lumberjack	4

Felissan

Spoiler: Village

Felissan

, it's your turn. Choose up to 4 villagers from your hand to be placed into your Village. Remember to order them, and exchange for Basic Villagers if needed. Here's the list of Unlockers:

Which Unlockers can you find in…
Exsecant Sirius9121	Aberriw Mizzytastic	Riverton Farren	Wisteria Nancy Drew 39	Montleduc Felissan
Blacksmith 10¢ Chandler Glass Blower Harvester Harvester	Brewer 4¢ Carpenter 8¢ Carpenter 4¢ Cartwright 2¢ Cooper 2¢ Chandler 4¢ Shipwright	Blacksmith Hunter	Glass Blower	Cooper 6¢ Shipwright 4¢

If your villager needs an Unlocker and there's two of them on the table, you get to choose who to give the 2 coins to.
You have (expired on 2020-12-19 16:37:00) to submit your turn.

Felissan · Post Post #284 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:31 am

I discard cards 1, 2 and 4 for 3 Lumberjacks (the extra ones are for my Log Rafters' bonus), and then play 2 Wood Carvers, a Grocer and a Fisher - I pay one of Sirius's Harvesters 2¢ for my Grocer, and my Shipwright earns 2¢.
It's quite hilarious to me how I've been focusing on building up to a Fromager for most of the game, only to end up not playing them because I ended up with a combo that ended up making it a waste of time in comparison.

Felissan · Post Post #285 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:46 am

I've been informed that I interpreted the Wood Carver wrong, oops. Plan B: still get my 3 lumberjacks, this time with cards 2, 4, 5; play the Wood Carvers, use an Apprentice to get a Sirius's Wheeler, and play a Cartwright on that.

vincentw · Post Post #286 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:45 am

Thanks, Felissan! About the exchange:

Wood Carver

Chain: Lumberjack -

Wood Carver

Silver equal to Gold on your Wood villagers

Because I had put an "on" instead of a "from", it could be interpreted as "score coins above your Wood villagers" instead of "score combined Gold value of your Wood villagers"; the latter being the correct interpretation.

Moving forward, I'll fix the text, and additionally, include everything in the Clarifications section of the rulebook for easy referencing at the rules post.

Felissan

began by discarding Villagers

2

,

4

, and

5

, in favour of three

Lumberjack

s. One final look at the Road:

The RoadNo stacks left; discard a villager for a Basic Villager.

Basic Villagers
Miner	5
Hayer	4
Lumberjack	1

Then, she placed two

Wood Carver

s, each going after one of the Lumberjacks.
Each Wood Carver scores Silver equal to the combined Gold values of her Wood villagers. She'll end the turn with a total of 15 Gold from her Wood villagers alone, meaning that each Wood Carver will score 15 Silver.

Next, she played the

Apprentice

.
She used the Apprentice to swap for a

Wheeler

, which is only present in the village of

Aberriw

. As such, Mizzytastic's Wheeler will be replaced with Felissan's Apprentice, and vice versa.
The Wheeler goes after another Lumberjack and gives

3 Gold

to the Village.

Finally, she placed the

Cartwright

, which goes after the Wheeler.
The Wheeler immediately goes inactive for

-3 Gold

, which was returned three-fold by the Cartwright with

9 Gold

.

That's the end of the turn, and the village of

Montleduc

gained

9 Gold

and some Silver.
Here's how both Villages involved look after that turn.

Felissan

Spoiler: Village

Mizzytastic

Spoiler: Village

That's the end of Build Phase 5, and the end of the final round.

One final look at the Unlockers:

Which Unlockers can you find in…
Exsecant Sirius9121	Aberriw Mizzytastic	Riverton Farren	Wisteria Nancy Drew 39	Montleduc Felissan
Blacksmith 10¢ Chandler Glass Blower Harvester Harvester	Brewer 4¢ Carpenter 8¢ Carpenter 4¢ Cartwright 2¢ Cooper 2¢ Chandler 4¢ Shipwright	Blacksmith Hunter	Glass Blower	Cartwright Cooper 6¢ Shipwright 4¢

The

Second Market

follows this post.

vincentw · Post Post #287 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:44 am

Second Market

Five rounds have come and gone. The time for the Second Market has arrived. One by one, each Village will score coins equal to the amount of Silver and Gold it has, as well as any coins on Unlockers.

First one, the village of

Exsecant

.

Exsecant's Second Market

Villager	Condition	Silver
Ore Muler	3 \| 2 symbols	7 → 9
Peddler	3 \| 2 Gold text	6 → 9
Locksmith	2 \| ☒ symbol	3 → 6
Agent	villager coins	10
Agent	villager coins	10
Total		44

Villager	Gold
Founders	2
Mason	2
Blacksmith	2
Glass Blower	4
Chandler	3
Saddler	5
Total	18

Unlocker	Coins
Blacksmith	10
Glass Blower	0
Harvester	0
Harvester	0
Chandler	0
Total	10

Sirius9121scored a total of

72 coins

in the Second Market…

Spoiler: Village (with totals)

We now call the village of

Aberriw

forward.

Aberriw's Second Market

Villager	Condition	Silver
Freemason	3 \| Builder	4 → 12
Freemason	3 \| Builder	4 → 12
Locksmith	2 \| ☒ symbol	10 → 20
Priest	3 \| 2 symbols	8 → 12
Priest	3 \| 2 symbols	8 → 12
Total		68

Villager	Gold
Poulterer	3
Cooper	4
Fisher	3
Shipwright	2
Cartwright	9
Beekeeper	4
Chandler	3
Total	28

Unlocker	Coins
Brewer	4
Carpenter	8
Carpenter	4
Cooper	2
Shipwright	0
Cartwright	2
Chandler	4
Total	24

Mizzytasticscored a total of

120 coins

in the Second Market…

Spoiler: Village (with totals)

Third up, the village of

Riverton

.

Riverton's Second Market

Villager	Condition	Silver
Horse Trader	3 \| 2 symbols	8 → 12
Total		12

Villager	Gold
Founders	2
Thatcher	2
Weaver	12
Tailor	24
Blacksmith	2
Spelunker	10
Bed Builder	4
Thatcher	2
Total	58

Unlocker	Coins
Hunter	0
Blacksmith	0
Total	0

Farrenscored a total of

70 coins

in the Second Market…

Spoiler: Village (with totals)

Then, it's off to the village of

Wisteria

.

Wisteria's Second Market

Villager	Condition	Silver
Scribe	villagers in hand	10
Total		10

Villager	Gold
Founders	2
Bed Builder	4
Fromager	15
Mason	2
Glass Blower	4
Cobbler	6
Saddler	5
Total	38

Unlocker	Coins
Glass Blower	0
Total	0

Nancy Drew 39scored a total of

48 coins

in the Second Market…

Spoiler: Village (with totals)

Last but not least, the village of

Montleduc

.

Montleduc's Second Market

Villager	Condition	Silver
Log Rafter	symbol	16
Log Rafter	symbol	16
Wood Carver	Gold values	15
Wood Carver	Gold values	15
Total		62

Villager	Gold
Poulterer	3
Truffler	8
Shipwright	2
Cooper	4
Vintner	5
Vintner	5
Cartwright	9
Total	36

Unlocker	Coins
Shipwright	4
Cooper	6
Cartwright	0
Total	10

Felissanscored a total of

108 coins

in the Second Market…

Spoiler: Village (with totals)

The Second Market has concluded.

It's finally time to crown the Top Village!

Spoiler: And the winner is…

vincentw · Post Post #288 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:45 am

Post-game discussion:

So that was Villagers! Thanks everyone for sticking it out until the end. Despite a few hiccups, I think it went much smoother than I anticipated. And quickly, too! From start to finish, the game took 40 days or so, which is about half as long as my estimation.

I'm definitely up for hosting again, because I quite enjoyed hosting the game. I also want to introduce expansions for future games, since there are a few that you can mix and match. Specifically for Game 2, I'm thinking of introducing the Developments expansion, where there are side goals that you can fulfil for extra coins or certain advantages.

I think my main task now is to smooth out the rules before Game 2. Even though it's a direct adaptation, there were avoidable errors that made their way in the game. When transcribing, I try to express the villagers' abilities in as few words as possible, which could (and did) introduce ambiguities.

I'd love to hear your thoughts!

Felissan · Post Post #289 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:22 am

Thanks a lot for running the game, and congrats to Mizzy!

ISO · Post Post #290 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:38 am

Well played, everyone! And congratulations to Mizzytastic.

My big money strategy at the cost of economy ended up not paying out; I seriously underestimated the power Silver would have in the game, and that turned out to be a huge mistake. By the time I realized it, it was way too late to do anything about it - except for trying to grab what I could, and my village wasn't set up to take advantage of what I could get. The best I could do were blocking plays, and there were too many good Silver cards out there to be able to stop everything.

Excellent modding throughout. Five stars. Minimal errors, and the ones that did happen were handled in a fair and transparent manner.

I'm ambivalent on the idea of expansions; I think they're a great way to re-energize the game, but they also can provide something of a barrier to new players at times. I like playing with them personally, but I'm hesitant if it's a game I haven't played before.

I'd love to see this run again, whether I'm in it or not. If there's anything I can do to help that along, let me know - whether it's playing, replacing, whatever.

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #291 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:29 pm

Congrats and I came in last.

Sirius9121 · Post Post #292 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:31 pm

vincentw · Post Post #293 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:25 pm

Thanks for the kind words, much appreciated. I'm glad you enjoyed the first game!

I went ahead and updated the rules a bit to cover everything that has been mentioned in the thread so far. The Clarifications part is now its own section in the rules post. Post 2 and Post 3 have been reformatted to be used as the Announcements log and the Game History. There's also an update on the Activity Requirements section:

When we enter the final round, everyone is immune from being replaced because it would suck to see a replacement so late in the game. However, if anyone misses their prod timer, they won't have it until the end of the game.
Automatic playing is changed: both drafting and building now follow this priority:
- whether they can continue or complete a chain
- whether they start a chain
- whether they have a Builder (except when there's 3 or more in their Village, in which case ignore)
- whether they have Food (except when there's 3 or more in their Village, in which case ignore)
- decreasing order of Gold (Silver after the First Market)
- decreasing order of Silver (Gold after the First Market)
When drafting:
if there's a tie in the priorities, take the one that's been there the longest.

When building:
determine all villagers to be placed first up until their Build Limit, then if any of them need Basic Villagers, return the remaining villagers in number label order to the left-most stack.

And with that,

sign-ups for Game 2 are now open!

I decided to use the expansion for this game because I want to try it out and I think it'll bring a bit more excitement to the game. Post 2 has the announcement, but I'll put it here as well for posterity.

Game 2 Variant: Developments ExpansionThere are 12 Developments, split in three categories. Each Development has a certain requirement, like having the most Hay symbols, or the most villagers with coins, and so on. Fulfilling a Development gives the player a reward; most of the time it's coins, but a few give out advantages for the game.

At the start of the game, one Development from each category is randomly drawn and the three of them stay for the entire game. After each Build Phase but before any Markets, there will be a

Development Phase

where the winner of each development is announced. That player would keep the Development and its benefits until the next Development Phase, even if someone else beats them before that. If there's a tie for a certain Development, no one gets it. Developments are not scored during Markets.

Spoiler: all possible Developments

ISO · Post Post #294 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:19 pm

/in, but will yield the slot to a new player if one wants in.

vincentw · Post Post #295 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:27 pm

Thanks Farren! His slot is open for new players.

Oh, I almost forgot: village names! If you have one, feel free to post it with your /in.
Farren, I assume you're sticking with Riverton, but feel free to change the name if you'd like.

Felissan · Post Post #296 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:45 pm

/in, also leaving my slot open to new players.

Village name: Lovickhem

Mizzytastic · Post Post #297 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:58 pm

/out bit of a bad time mentally plus developed a case of sinusitis, got other stuff I need to prioritise

It was a fun game. My strategy was mostly just trying to make the cards on my hand work and trying to find the unlockers for my own stuff. I think I was relatively lucky there, only time I ever really felt cut off was when I tried to cut other people off thinking a card would wheel.

If anyone is curious Aberriw is the Welsh name of the village my mums family currently live in and around

vincentw · Post Post #298 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:35 pm

Sorry to hear that Mizzy, but I understand. Do what you must, and hope you're in a better place very soon. Also it's nice to hear some backstory about your village name.

Glad to have you back, Felissan! Same deal with Farren, new players can still join after the player list is full if there's time. We need one more /in to trigger the 48-hour timer.

Mist7676 · Post Post #299 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:13 pm

/in!

Saw the Mashie's nomination and decided to give it a try :^)

Wisteria
Coins supply	17 coins
Draft limit	2 + 2 = 4
Build limit	2 + 1 = 3
Villagers in hand

Hay Chain
Hayer
Grazier	☒ Bed Builder 4 Gold
☒ Milk Maid
Fromager 15 Gold • 1 Food

Ore Chain
Miner
Mason 2 Gold • 1 Builder	☒ Glass Blower Unlocks 2 • 4 Gold

Leather Chain
Tanner
☒ Cobbler 6 Gold	Saddler 5 Gold

Montleduc
Coins supply	31 coins
Draft limit	2 + 3 = 5
Build limit	2 + 2 = 4
Villagers in hand

Grains Chain
Founders
Swineherd	☒ Poulterer 3 Gold • 1 Food
☒ Truffler 8 Gold • 1 Food

Wood Chain
Lumberjack
Shipwright 4¢ Unlocks 4 • 2 Gold • 1 Builder	☒ Cooper 6¢ Unlocks 6 • 4 Gold

Grapes Chain
Graper
☒ Vintner 5 Gold	☒ Vintner 5 Gold
▼ Wine Trader	▼ Wine Trader

Hay Chain
Hayer
Grazier 1 Food	one slot available
▼ Milk Maid ▼▼ Fromager

Wood Chain
Lumberjack
Log Rafter 1 Silver per Wood symbol	Log Rafter 1 Silver per Wood symbol

Wood Chain
Lumberjack
Wood Carver Silver = Gold from your Wood villagers	Wood Carver Silver = Gold from your Wood villagers

Aberriw
Coins supply	34 coins
Draft limit	2 + 4 > 5
Build limit	2 + 4 > 5
Villagers in hand

Grains Chain
Founders
☒ Poulterer 3 Gold • 1 Food	☒ Brewer 4¢ Unlocks 2 • 1 Food • 1 Builder

Wood Chain
Lumberjack
Carpenter 8¢ Unlocks 8 • 1 Builder	☒ Cooper 2¢ Unlocks 6 • 4 Gold

Wood Chain
Lumberjack
Apprentice	Shipwright Unlocks 4 • 2 Gold • 1 Builder
Cartwright 2¢ Unlocks 2 • 9 Gold

Wood Chain
Lumberjack
Carpenter 4¢ Unlocks 8 • 1 Builder	one slot available

Ore Chain
Miner
☒ Locksmith 2 Silver per ☒ symbol	one slot available

Exsecant
Coins supply	100 coins
Draft limit	2 + 3 = 5
Build limit	2 + 2 = 4
Villagers in hand

Ore Chain
Miner
Mason 2 Gold • 1 Builder	Blacksmith 10¢ Unlocks 10 • 2 Gold

Hay Chain
Hayer
Ore Muler 3 Silver per 2 Ore symbols	☒ Peddler 3 Silver per 2 Gold text

Aberriw
Coins supply	154 coins
Draft limit	2 + 4 > 5
Build limit	2 + 4 > 5
Villagers in hand

Riverton
Coins supply	124 coins
Draft limit	2 + 1 = 3
Build limit	2 + 2 = 4
Villagers in hand

Hay Chain
Hayer
Thatcher 2 Gold • 1 Builder	Horse Trader 3 Silver per 2 Hay symbols

Wool Chain
Monk
Spinner	Monk
Apprentice	☒ Weaver 12 Gold
Tailor 24 Gold	▼ Tailor

Ore Chain
Miner
Seeker	Blacksmith Unlocks 10 • 2 Gold
☒ Spelunker 10 Gold
▼ Jeweler

Wisteria
Coins supply	65 coins
Draft limit	2 + 2 = 4
Build limit	2 + 1 = 3
Villagers in hand

Montleduc
Coins supply	139 coins
Draft limit	2 + 3 = 5
Build limit	2 + 2 = 4
Villagers in hand

Rank	Player	Village	Start	+¢	☒		1st M.	2nd M.	Total
1st	Mizzytastic	Aberriw	8	5	−6	0	21 + 6	68 + 28 + 24	154
2nd	Felissan	Montleduc	8	4	−2	0	17 + 4	62 + 36 + 10	139
3rd	Farren	Riverton	8	6	− 10	12	38 + 0	12 + 58 + 0	124
4th	Sirius9121	Exsecant	8	3	−2	3	10 + 6	44 + 18 + 10	100
5th	Nancy Drew 39	Wisteria	8	5	−8	0	12 + 0	10 + 38 + 0	65