Open 93 - Near Vanilla: Game Over, Mafia Win!

[Doktor Per]

My d12 has spoken,

Vote: MafiaSSK

Apparently, my fair lady Tyche doesn't like you much.


(Tyche is the Greek goddess of luck, and even though her Roman counterpart is better known, I abhor how they crafted their pantheon.)

[Doktor Per]

Yeah! He's clearly scum, just look at his name. IT HAS

MAFIA

IN IT!!!

Hold on, gonna write some poetry about it.

[Doktor Per]

Mafia is l-3 on page one....something that I should know?

It's all very obvious, MafiaSSK plans on murdering you tonight. Quick, hop on the band wagon!

[Doktor Per]

I'm an independent agent.

[Doktor Per]

Are you trying to insinuate Mafia?

[Doktor Per]

I trust in my d12 till I've a reason to go after someone else.

Plus, his name is

Mafia

SSK, could he be any more suspicious!?

[Doktor Per]

unvote, vote: MafiaSSK

i have meta him and i dont like the looks of his page, admitted lurker playstyle is unhelpful at best, scummy at worst. plus he doesnt even have our game on his list, makes me suspicious of him.

plus his only two posts are one confirming(sorta) and one incourging people to meta him, which seems weird to me.

Why does that seem weird to you?

Because the game has made him suspicious of everything and everyone. (As one should be)

Me, I flag it down to the game just starting, though I do have issues with the lurking.

[Doktor Per]

Well, he is a mafiaplayer that goes "I'm scum" because the game is slow. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

[Doktor Per]

Geeeeze guys! Why are you so slow to vote off this player. WE ARE ON PAGE 2 NOW!!! How long will you suffer a witch to live!?

[Doktor Per]

MAFIAEDIT: PAGE 3

The end is nigh!!!

[Doktor Per]

Who is Gimbo? That is, no I'm not. I merely revel in hamming it up and overreacting.

[Doktor Per]

I refuse to be called really stupid, I followed my dice and then presented shitty arguments about why MafiaSSK should be voted, mostly revolving around his name. (then for a moment defending the poor guy)

But I would be a hypocrite if I'd move my vote as of now, since no one has caught my attention yet. But I do find the probability of some (if not all) scum on the bandwagon high, lest of course he is scum, then Gamma becomes quite the suspicious cookie. But that is the nature of the Wine in Front of You, everything is bullshit and all you have is your gut instinct. I've learned to trust mine, no MafiaSSK does not trigger it, but he doesn't feel right either, he's staying away from discussion while he should be calling us colossal retarded wankers. Maybe he figures that if he says something it will be looked on as scummy (which it of course would, like everything else he'd say)

Bottom line.

I'm going to stick to my vote till someone gives a compelling argument for someone else or my gut tells me to switch my vote.

Also.

Should I roll a d12 to see if I should roleclaim? Should I also roll it to decide which role to claim?

[Doktor Per]

I think everyone was trying to be too smart for their own good, or meta-as-fuck.

[Doktor Per]

Also, Gecko and Omega. How very suave of you two, your activities have been duly noted. For those of you without the thirst for knowledge let me summarize it for you.

vote: MafiaSSK

Obvious lynch for today.

unvote, vote: MafiaSSK

i have meta him and i dont like the looks of his page, admitted lurker playstyle is unhelpful at best, scummy at worst. plus he doesnt even have our game on his list, makes me suspicious of him.

plus his only two posts are one confirming(sorta) and one incourging people to meta him, which seems weird to me.

Leave the non-game related stuff where the non-game related stuff belongs. He is a young one still and with careful training he can be crafted into a player that helps the game. (or hinders it as his past suggests) Am I wrong? Shouldn't we all, save for the scum (who should be pretending) be trying to find scum and kill instead of getting rid of that one guy that has an annoying laugh and keeps botching his punchlines?

[Doktor Per]

Doktor Per, how are we to leave the non-game related stuff out? isnt each game we play something to build our skills on. and the player specific wiki pages are there to browse to know something about the players from the get go. MafiaSSK has either a very poor play style, is scum or just likes to make himself sound tough on his wiki page.

frankly i dont see a reason to take my vote away from him.

fos Doktor Per

for trying to only have us focus on whats in front of us. this is an odd tactic as this early in the game as much if not more information can usually be found elsewhere.

One of those days, you guys need to let me in on the secret of FoS, whatever that means. My point is, what does meta game reading have to do with discovering his role in the game? Does he have a significantly different play style when he is scum? If so, meta away.

My style is not for the feint of heart, and it garners a lot of hate and envy. I don't ask anyone to take a vote away from the guy since I'm not doing it (yet) as that would be hypocritical, I just think the reason for the vote should not be a personal one. (as in disliking his playstyle or whatever)

The odds of him being scum is 3/13 lest I'm mistaken, those odds are worse than 1/4 which makes any assumption about his role this early in the game absurd.

Oh wait, let's see, gonna roll my die a couple of more times to root out the other two scum, since my die apparerntly have mythical properties.

armlx and killa seven seem to be scum according to that. Quick fellow townsmen, lynch the scum.

Lynch them!!!

[Doktor Per]

Also, retro.

Rule # 74, never vote anyone that voted for you or has voted for you. People are always going to claim OMGUS no matter how valid your point is (unless you write fifteen paragraphs explaining yourself and making a reference to the Wine in Front of You)

[Doktor Per]

Basicly people have a checklist of things they always do.


OMGUS is one of the dumber ones, for everyone involved.

[Doktor Per]

I must say that I do like how this is turning. Not entirely sold on thegeckoj wagon yet, but I can see how it has merit.

I'll bite if he doesn't become more active.

Yes Gecko, that does mean you have to write more than one sentence (preferably a paragraph or two) to avoid suspicion by default. Please don't make me have to do this, it's very frustrating.

[Doktor Per]

Definition: self-referential; referring to itself or its characteristics, esp. as a parody; about

[Doktor Per]

Just a rather suspicious and thus shitty player.

I really do hope that he gets more verbacious. Most of the tossers here should, to be honest. Well atleast there are a few good men out there willing to put their balls on the line while a man is running around with a scalpel.

Some of us will die, but if all of us run around with our balls out, the chances of me dying will decrease.

[Doktor Per]

I realize that I am a suspicious player, but if I weren't I'd be an even SHITTIER player. In my book being suspicion is a mark of being someone who participates. The more you say and act and do, the more people can take from you and run with.

So in that case, yes, I'd rather be suspicious than to be a lurker that rarely votes or goes FoS Scumbuddy (whatever that means) just to stay alive. Give us meat to eat people.

armlx, your posts have been quite unhelpful so far (from my viewpoint atleast), a bit of fingerwaggling, explenation of terminology (though the Mafia definition of Meta is apparently the dictionary definition of Style) an insight into your thought process would be helpful. Lest you got something to hide.

[Doktor Per]

I'm not attacking you, I am saying that what you say is short, aggressive and feels detached. It's not much to go on and thus, not helpful for me.

A good reason to hide stuff, is usually Scum, though it could be a meta reason. (Revolving around itself, not allowing other people get a read on you, for future games)

I just state things as I see them and when they come to me, shitty tactic? Perhaps, but it's worth a shot. (Meta reason, change tactics every single game, that way no one ever gets a read on you)

[Doktor Per]

My interpretations of what is put in front of me. Can't get any more honest than that.

[Doktor Per]

unvote

because out of all the SSK's wagon, i'd rather

Vote Dokter Per

.

I would love to hear the reasoning behind this!

[Doktor Per]

To be honest, I thought the MafiaSSK wagon was a bit weak.

It was stupid and extremely weak.

[Doktor Per]

FoS:Doktor Per

.

Hey mate, care to tell me what FoS means first?
I do hope you don't view me as having double standards, I expect the same from everyone here as I do from myself.

[Doktor Per]

Cheers!

[Doktor Per]

Was my wagon mainly a random wagon? OR was it actually contrived out of LAL reasons?

I can only answer for myself. I decided to run an absolutely retarded wagon against you based on a dice throw.

Seems that it's a scummy way to behave on day one. Tsk, tsk, tsk. You have much to learn.

[Doktor Per]

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Gecko. I never pulled my vote, it's still there.

[Doktor Per]

I do not want a claim from GeckoJ. If he's Mafia he'll just lie, if he's a non-power role we take a hit (as in we pro-town folk). Roleclaiming is all bullshit until you have stuff to back it up with.

[Doktor Per]

Oh yes, I just don't see him going "I'm a vanilla town" is going to help anyone, or sway most of us. (Or he can lie about the other stuff and then lie about his efficiency making him more protown than Jesus)

If he actually is a power role, we'll potentially have fucked over a Doc or Jailkeeper. But hey, the odds of that happening are only 2 in 13.

[Doktor Per]

Possibly, it's a gamble that can cut both ways.

[Doktor Per]

Because I rarely trust role claims, unless they have something to back it up with. Just because I don't lie, doesn't mean that someone else won't.

[Doktor Per]

So let's spin this question around. Do you have any reason to believe Gecko?

[Doktor Per]

SSK, thanks. My reason for voting you is no longer throw of the dice

[Doktor Per]

Hey, armlx, MafiaSSK, doesn't need your proof or reading to do this, he sees the popularity vote and goes with it! The fact that he was almost voted off has nothing to do with it and he's not just using this to stay alive! OK?

Jeeze, give the man a break.

[Doktor Per]

No, I am being dead serious since MafiaSSK and me as well as Korts are all scum buddies and we are going to win this game by saying insanely stupid things and thus clean ourselves of guilt. Y'know, because people will just assume we're too dumb to be mafia.

[Doktor Per]

Whoops!

[Doktor Per]

My hat goes off to you fatty, I excuse for my relative inactivity. I'm sure my frustratingly sarcastic and unhelpful activity will return sooner than we can all dream of. Or, like, tomorrow. I will be kicking some arses soon, might derail the bandwagon, but will hopefully spring some life back into this. (No excess fat in my Mafia, please)

[Doktor Per]

Yes! Do it!!! You know you want to, fatty.

[Doktor Per]

mafiassk, he says that he does most of his scum hunting by PBPA's, yet we are at page ten and haven't seen one yet. when are they coming, because i would like to hear more thought other than just armix zazier and darox. and as i stated before i don't like how he joins the bandwagon with zazier, then attacks gecko for not having evidence yet, then when asked what evidence he has for people being scum he says he hasn't looked yet. either he is very lazy or he just wanted a reason to jump on the wagon and thought zazier had a decent reason.

I do my PBPA when there's a big wagon and someone is about to be lynched.

Oh, you rascally rascal. Do you ever wonder why my vote is so stuck to your face?

[Doktor Per]

Not suspicious at all, that young lad is.

[Doktor Per]

Doktor

why are you voting Mafiassk?

Fixed that for you, it is amazing how many people make this mistake. It's Doktor, as in Herr Doktor.

I am voting for him because I think he is just as scummy if not more so than GeckoJ. He is counter productive, plays like an ignoramus, backs nothing up with except if by using generalities or blanket statements.

What kind of reason is "There is usually proof." By that logic I can say "Oh yes, I am actually the Jailkeeper Doctor Mafia Hit Squad Busdriving Governor, if you look through my posts, it'll get evident. There is always proof about this kind of stuff, somewhere, most of the time." It's bullshit and we should all recognize it. I'm not saying that I like Gecko more than I like Mafia, I just dislike Mafia more and find him to be a far safer bet.

Do you read anything from him? It's all empty hollow promises, to give the appearance of being active in order to be inactive. My intellect is a stunning beauty, beware it. No one is actively tickling me the wrong way, and no one seems reliable yet. I like the exchange that has been going on, a lot of WIFOM shit going on, but it's usually best to leave that alone. If you know how to play it, it can save your life, I don't think anyone here is sharp enough to do that, no offense to anyone, it's just an incredibly hard thing to pull off.

[Doktor Per]

Also, I would like to add, if Gecko doesn't get lynched, I will be extremely surprised. The sucker was dead the moment the wagon started.

[Doktor Per]

Also, just saw the point on post 17. I stated that the wagon had merit but I wasn't entirely sold. My gut tells me to go with MafiaSSK though, so I'll have to stick to it.

Me and the President (of the United States of America (#1)) know that going with our gut is what makes us great.

[Doktor Per]

Also, I would like to add, if Gecko doesn't get lynched, I will be extremely surprised. The sucker was dead the moment the wagon started.

What makes you say this?

Everything Gecko said since the wagon started.

[Doktor Per]

unvote; Vote TheGeckoJ

ZazieR, though I do still feel that MafiaSSK is scummy as a duck, I do believe that at this point that TheGeckoJ would be a much more valuable as it has the potential of rooting out Fatty. Beyond that, most people have done very few things of note. Darox has been eerily silent for the last few days, (or maybe just had low profile posts) but that tends to be more suspicious to me in the latter days. In other words, we got three bag dicks in the community who are hogging the limelight. It'll be good when this is overwith and we can start staring down our fellow towners.

[Doktor Per]

Oh yes, the only people that have been under pressure have seemed somewhat scummy to me, the added bonus of Fatty makes me jump ship, using the following logic.

Fatty + Gecko scummyness > MafiaSKK scummyness.

It is not fair logic, by any stretch, but those two are fairly intertvined. Something seems off about it, but I'll keep my theory to myself till I see something that confirms it.

[Doktor Per]

To clarify, those under pressure:

Fatty, Gecko, Mafia.

[Doktor Per]

Don't put meaning to my words. I said he was dead the moment the wagon started, because he has done nothing to make anyone second guess it being a good idea. He seems to be, unable to.

And he isn't even trying to do anything, just trying to save his potential scum buddy Fatty. Then going "I am very suspicious of the third guy" His actions are self prevalence over town.

Atleast Fatty seems to have a semblance of intellect, although it would have gained from keeping with it's convictions instead of folding under pressure.

[Doktor Per]

Hey Scum, when you get to kill people tonight, please kill MafiaSSK, OK? I think it would be mutually beneficial.

[Doktor Per]

Take your time. Hopefully we can start thinking about things more seriously after the weekend.

[Doktor Per]

Guys, I already told you all, i am a pro-town cop-mayor-miller-mason-serial killer. I investigated MafiaSSK and he was totally and absolutely mafia though I may be a paranoid cop, I won't know till I investigate more people and see them die.

[Doktor Per]

That's a rather big slip up, buddy. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

And Kuribo, any insight into MafiaSSK?

[Doktor Per]

Hascow's "I just replaced in" analysis(AKA, I'll read a few pages and then post my thoughts on certain things in those pages):

Pages 1-3

Post 7 - k7: Not random already? With a daystart and him not even posting yet?
Post 9 - Darox: I really dislike policy lynches.
Post 11 - Sineish: I don't see this as a valid reason
Post 15 - Darox: I still dislike policy lynches.
Post 20 - Darox: Lurking, while anti-town, doesn't mean someone is scum.
Post 27 - Sineish: I quite like this post. Per seemed a little too keen on a wagon that started with him making a "random vote"
Post 28 - SSK: Right, because the thread link was IN YOUR PM. Seriously now....
Post 35 - Darox: No, not necessarily scum. Town lurks too. Policy lynches are bad.
Post 39 - Darox: Get off it. Seriously. This is getting scummy.
Post 40 - zazier: This just seems a bit noncommital. You're responding to things, but not commenting on them. It looks like you're trying to moderate a debate.
Post 41 - Per: You've got to be kidding. You should really have better reasons at this point.
Post 42 - Gamma: Why the unvote?
Post 43 - gecko: Ah, so you're pretty much following the crowd. Why?
Post 44 - SSK: A good question, actually.
Post 47 - Per: Link?
Post 48 - Darox: GET OFF IT!
Post 50 - Per: Can't you at least let him do something scummy?
Post 53 - armlx: Is there a reason you're asking this?
Post 55 - retrowiz: You should really have a reason for getting someone to L-2 so early.
Post 58 - retro: Please don't fish like this
Post 59 - armlx: Good post.
Post 61 - armlx: Another good post
Post 62 - Per: Well, I'm not a huge fan of this post. It seems like a lot of joking around without really saying anything.
Post 67 - Apoth: Oh, hi. How are you? Anything else to say?
Post 68 - Per: Including yourself?
Post 69 - Per: What non-game related stuff? Why are you getting on them for voting SSK with about the same reasoning as you?
Post 70 - Darox: I'd love reasoning for the votes and FoSes. Plus, the last sentence is extremely scummy.
Post 72 - Darox: But maybe they weren't in some way random. Why are you assuming that?
Post 74 - zazier: good explanation, IMO. Excellent questioning of the wagon

Current thoughts of some players:
Darox - scummy for this tunnel visioned policy lynch. How does this help?
retro - scummy for almost everything up to this point
zazier - seeming town to me. Good explanations for things so far
Per - scummy. Staying on the SSK wagon for what seems to be no reason.
SSK - neutral. Still unhelpful, but not scummy.
armlx - neutral. Where are you? You seem quiet.
Sineish - seems town to me right now. Good insights on Per.

I will not be voting until I am fully caught up, but my current vote would be on Doktor Per or retrowiz.
Expect at least one more analysis post today. Hopefully more than one.

Thanks for the love, scum buddy!

[Doktor Per]

I apologize for my behavior. Expect my play style to change, effective immediately.

Hascow, despite my playful offhanded comment at you, I enjoy your posts, you seem like smart town, at the moment but I am always skeptical. I can't really fault you for finding my play style scummy, as we all have our own little interpret things in our own way and I do hope that your belief is sincere, because otherwise I'll feel very offended when the curtains fall. Most of my posts so far have been poking at other people's logic, this is not a case of unable to see the splinter in my eye because of the stake in yours.

I refuse to defend my style, though I see that the bullshit claiming may have been inappropriate.

[Doktor Per]

This day needs to end. Preferably now.

My "insight" on Gecko/Fatty is not a great one, it's just generic dumb behavior. I don't know Gecko's nor Fatty's history, so I can't judge them based on past acts, but they reek of virginity, which is usually a tip off. Gecko isn't doing anything for himself, probably not sharp enough to turn things around, and Fatty slipped up too badly on day one, turning everyone's sight on him, in the worst of ways. And by Jove, if Fatty get's close enough to hammer, I will do it.

I rarely do post by post analysis, I think it misrepresents at time, but check the over all vibe and you get to the core of things. I've played with some masters, I have yet to determine if any masters are around. They usually only become visible when scum.

You may notice, but I do a lot of stream of consciousness type of thing.

[Doktor Per]

Just general HEY HOW ABOUT PARTICIPATING IN THIS GAME YOU ASKED TO PARTICIPATE IN?

[Doktor Per]

Oh, and to finally end this day, which has gotten to the point of beyond being a nuisance.

unvote, vote: afatchic

Now playing Nick Cave - The Hammer Song

[Doktor Per]

Are we at hammer time already? Sweet! I wouldn't mind using my hammer again. I almost did vote Gecko the moment I read his post, but I am holding back. Oh how proud I must make my family.

I regret slaying Fatty now though. Shame.

[Doktor Per]

Anyway, we as a group should decide right now if killing off Gecko is a good thing or not, just so we can fit in any other kind of discussion. Let's start with the opposition.

Anyone still there?

[Doktor Per]

Oh, that's quite magnificent. My gut however sings a different song.

Vote: Kuribo

Unless I get a different vibe through a re-read through.