Open 93 - Near Vanilla: Game Over, Mafia Win!

[Darox]

Vote MafiaSSK

Lurker scum, why haven't we lynched him yet?

[Darox]

Hey guys, why is MafiaSSK still alive? Lets get this wagon rolling.

[Darox]

Mafia is l-3 on page one....something that I should know?

Yes.

MafiaSSK is lurker scum and needs to die ASAP.

[Darox]

I fully do not get what ZazieR is trying to say.

[Darox]

Wait, you think I'm going this to learn about MafiaSSK?

You've got it all wrong. I don't need to investigate him, I know he is scum already. Lurker scum no less.

[Darox]

I'm a lurker. =D That's my playstyle and if you don't like it then I guess you don't. But that's how I play.

All the meta I need.

Die scum die.

[Darox]

Why hasn't MafiaSSK been lynched yet?

[Darox]

Are you a Gimbo alt?

Gimbo hunting can wait till tomorrow, for today, we need to lynch lurker scum.

[Darox]

I just want to see MafiaSSK hang like the lurker scum he is.

MafiaSSK voters
1: Darox - Devilishly handsome. Votes MafiaSSK for being lurker scum.
2: Doktor Per - Implies heavily that his vote was dice based.
3: ChaosOmega - Calls MafiaSSK the obvious lynch for today.

4:

thegeckoj - States meta and that lurking is antitown at best. Also mentions that not having the game in watched topics is somehow suspicious.
5: retrowiz - Implies that MafiaSSK is not playing the game.

People questioning MafiaSSK wagon
- 3 votes
1: retrowiz - Asks why MafiaSSK is at L-3 on page one
2: Sineish - States that game has been open for only 24 hours and doesn't prove SSK is lurking yet.
3: killa seven - Asks if the SSK wagon is a joke.

4:

Sineish - Votes Doktor Per because he is the only one who stated a random reason for voting SSK but has been calling for a bandwagon.
5: Lurker Scum - Asks Darox if he has bothered to meta about his lurking scummy habits.
6: ZazieR - Thinks the meta on the self admitted lurker scum is a joke reason to vote.
- 5 votes

7:

ZazieR - Thinks Lurker Scum should be given a chance. Then goes on to say that lynching him would be bad because then the scum would get a night kill.
8: Armlx - Says day one lurker quicklynches are bad.
9: Gamma - States that the wagon is only alive because it is on lurker scum. Also mirrors Armlx's stance on quicklynches.

10:

Sineish - Defends SSK, stating that he is not lurking because he has posted 3 one liners.
11: killa seven - Doesn't think SSK's meta counts and won't pursue him unless he starts making scummy posts. Given SSK's tendency to lurk this seems foolhardy.

Unvote, Vote Sineish, FoS ZazieR & thegeckoj

We can always lynch lurker scum later on.

[Darox]

Look at the bolded numbers. I didn't like the way he joined the wagon.


Also, I didn't say you said he was calling the MafiaSSK vote a bandwagon.
What I mean by 'has been calling for a bandwagon' is that you said he was encouraging a bandwagon to form and grow.

The main point there is that you attacked Doktor Per for promoting random wagons but decided to ignore the people who joined and pushed the wagon without explicitly saying that their votes were in some way random.

[Darox]

I don't like the retro wagon right now.

In my experience he often places votes without prior thought and little explaination, and makes for an easy mislynch. Not sold on him unless I see something more substantial.

[Darox]

Gecko is the #2 suspect in my rundown of the SSK wagon. I can dig this wagon.

Unvote, Vote thegeckoj

[Darox]

Sineish is the person I found most suspicious out of the SSK wagon, but you are giving an interesting response to the votes upon you, and you were the person I found most suspicious after Sineish. Of course I want a bandwagon to start on you.

[Darox]

Just a rather suspicious and thus shitty player.

The correct answer is yes, MafiaSSK is always scum.
Nice analogy though.

[Darox]

People questioning MafiaSSK wagon
- 3 votes

4:

Sineish - Votes Doktor Per because he is the only one who

10:

Sineish - Defends SSK, stating that he is not lurking because he has posted 3 one liners.

[Darox]

EBWOP: The first one should read 'Votes Doktor Per because he is the only one who stated a random reason for voting SSK but has been calling for a bandwagon.'

[Darox]

FoS = Finger of suspicion.

Used the show signs of minor suspicion or cataloging all those people you would be voting for if you had enough votes for them all.

[Darox]

I did not vote MafiaSSK randomly.

[Darox]

Zazier voted for gecko.

[Darox]

Oh yes, I just don't see him going "I'm a vanilla town" is going to help anyone, or sway most of us. (Or he can lie about the other stuff and then lie about his efficiency making him more protown than Jesus)

If he actually is a power role, we'll potentially have fucked over a Doc or Jailkeeper. But hey, the odds of that happening are only 2 in 13.

If he was a doc/JK, then surely we would stand to lose more if we lynched him without a claim, yes?

[Darox]

Voting Armlx because he believes people should roleclaim at L-2 is as nonsensical as voting someone because they don't believe in random voting.

[Darox]

Now now, we wouldn't just get a bit more time for him to claim, we would also become less appealing to replacements.

I see absolutely no reason to extend this day further, unless you bring up compelling reasons to look into someone not named gecko.

[Darox]

i am by no means trying to stall a wagon, because i don't like how he has acted under pressure. however, i don't like how you are trying to push on it so much.

So if you are not trying to stall it what are you doing?

yes im scum and im really just that dumb that i would come in and argue with you in my first post to try to save him instead of through him under the bus and escape suspicion.

No thanks, I don't drink wine.

[Darox]

also mafiassk has provided a whole lot of info as well. he said he agrees with zaz then votes, then attacks gecko for voting on gut feeling 8 pages in because by now he should have evidence, yet when asked to provide evidence on his vote he says he hasn't looked closely.

You suggest we wagon SSK again instead of gecko?

[Darox]

So I had heard that an entire page was filled up discussing whether it is too early for a claim/lynch or not.

Keep up the *quote*discussion*unquote* and it will become a moot point.

[Darox]

MafiaSSK voters
1: Darox - Devilishly handsome. Votes MafiaSSK for being lurker scum.

4:

thegeckoj - States meta and that lurking is antitown at best. Also mentions that not having the game in watched topics is somehow suspicious.

Unvote, Vote Sineish, FoS ZazieR & thegeckoj

Gecko is the #2 suspect in my rundown of the SSK wagon. I can dig this wagon.

Unvote, Vote thegeckoj

Sineish is the person I found most suspicious out of the SSK wagon, but you are giving an interesting response to the votes upon you, and you were the person I found most suspicious after Sineish. Of course I want a bandwagon to start on you.

Looking at my posts could have told you pretty easily.

[Darox]

Because none of the tells from then were particularly strong and I was willing to follow up on any of them. Gecko's later responses have pushed him higher than Sineish or anyone else, thus I continue to support his wagon.

[Darox]

i know some are still pushing the role claim idea but i fail to see why that would be beneficial at this point. if i am scum wouldnt i just claim vanilla townie to be safe, there would be no way to prove or disprove this. so if i am a scum or a vanilla townie claiming would be equally pointless. if i am a power role it is a bad idea to claim since the mafia then know exactly who to target on night one (barring if i do get lynched because someone doesnt believe my power role claim).

Uses WIFOM to explain why he isn't going to claim. Also thinks that not claiming a powerrole and getting lynched is somehow better than claiming and getting night killed, despite there being two protective roles in this setup.

I think we should string him up.

[Darox]

Can someone who isn't Darox tell me why the above post is scummy?

Awwww.

[Darox]

Also, I would like to add, if Gecko doesn't get lynched, I will be extremely surprised. The sucker was dead the moment the wagon started.

What makes you say this?

[Darox]

My position hasn't changed and I didn't see Doktor Per answer my question, so I haven't had anything to add.

Also, I would like to add, if Gecko doesn't get lynched, I will be extremely surprised. The sucker was dead the moment the wagon started.

What makes you say this?

Everything Gecko said since the wagon started.

But everything Gecko has said since the wagon has started, by definition, happened after the start of the wagon.

What made you feel gecko was going to be lynched the moment the wagon started?

[Darox]

vote: afatchic

purely to push him, hoping for a lynch just to get things moving.

i've already claimed vanilla townie and that is the best i am going to do at this point. i play these games for both sport and fun and while the sporting part still remains the fun part is quickly dwindling.

if this causes a backlash and i get lynched, so be it, but it would be the wrong move.

Altho i would rather lynch afatchic before you, this post is horribly scummy.
"just to get the day going" when you are the lead lynch isnt exacly the best wording, more like "his wagon is the best wagon to save my life so ill hop on it"

Quote butchery.

Aside from that I agree with you.

[Darox]

Oh damn.

Eh, you know what I meant. The above post was from killa seven.

[Darox]

you are def. going back up on my LOS.

To where? From "actively defending" to "voting to pull a claim, then unvoting without reason to derail wagon"?

no i was suspicious of his, and then his defense kept getting worse and worse, so i voted. this is crazy an all but i actually believed the claim, so i unvoted.

If I wasn't voting gecko right now I would be pushing for your lynch so very, very much.

[Darox]

Yawn.

The crowd wants to see some blood spilled, release the lions already.

[Darox]

Or don't take your time and let the game actually continue.

[Darox]

The Gecko wagon: Started with

good scumhunting

, and

continued to build from there

. I can see him flipping scum if we still want to lynch him today. With that, I will add my

VOTE:Gecko

So you say he started out well, pro town and scumhunting and all that, then continued to get better, and so you come to the conclusion that he must be scum?

What. The. Hell.

[Darox]

Kuribo, and hascow?

This game got a bunch more fun.

[Darox]

afat and darix are now in the running for me after gecko.

Uh, I assume thats meant to be me.

What?

[Darox]

hascow, you realize the entire point of my SSK wagon push was to kickstart the game and give me some leads? Hence the analysis of who joined the wagon and who opposed it.

Sure, MafiaSSK is always lurkerscum, but policy lynching day one just for the sake of it is always a bad idea.

[Darox]

Just for the record, I thought it was obvious the gecko wagon thing was a misread on my part.

[Darox]

Because an obvious slipup is by definition obvious?

I don't see what you are trying to say here. Are you saying I was trying to see if half a dozen other people would also slip up and voted RBT because of it? I was testing people to see if they were reading the game? What?

[Darox]

i think afatchic needs to be lynched.

Are you going to vote for him then?

Unvote: thegeckoj

(Still FoS on both thegeckoj and afatchic)
On another subject, thegeckoj's wagon has been at L-1 for some time without being hammered. What does this mean?

Retro actually tried, except he didn't unvote first.

[Darox]

Whats the vote count like?

[Darox]

dood. you guys are gonna be sorry. im not scum. MafiaSSK and ZazieR are the scum pair.

Oh wow.

Starting the appeal to emotion already? Not to mention ZazieR died and flipped doc.

Come on, really?

[Darox]

So yeah I don't think anything is going to get done as long as gecko is alive.

I'm proposing a period of one day for anyone to object or bring up new stuff, otherwise he gets hammered.

[Darox]

I personally think gecko hanging around is just going to keep disrupting any other discussion.

[Darox]

Hammer is a definite kuribo tell.
It wasn't good that gecko flipped town, but really, the town wasn't going to go anywhere fast with him floating about especially after what happened Day 1.

In other news

Vote: MafiaSSK

I fully support a SSK lynch.

[Darox]

Any questions I need to answer?

Yeah.

Give a complete rundown on everyone and tell us what you think about them. Can you do that?

[Darox]

I was going to leave it as an order but I realized he might cop out if I didn't throw in a question somewhere.

[Darox]

Since waiting for MafiaSSK to provide posts with content is a foolish endeavour, let me ask my magic 8 ball who the scum is.

Hey Sineish, it's day three. Time to wake up.

Also, RBT, what?

You're asking people what their thoughts on your """""""""""analysis""""""""""" of retro, which is a single sentence saying that you think he's scum with no real reason given. Come on, really?

[Darox]

It's also pretty easy to replace in after it's all happened and scold people for mislynches.

Gecko not only managed to get to L-1 day one, but he also managed to dodge the noose through a sudden shift towards afatchic. The evidence pointed towards him being scum, and trying to find alternate scum when you've got someone scummy as heck sitting right in front of you does not make sense.

Why should we have gone for a second best candidate instead of gecko yesterday KoC?

It wasn't a "Well, X and Y are both pretty scummy" situation, where I'll grant you saying "We need to lynch X before we think about Y" is bad.

It was more of a "X is overwhelmingly scummy and no one else is" situation, and saying "We shouldn't lynch him" smacks of trying to get a buddy out of a second lynch. Even if it is done with town intentions, day one and afatchic is evidence enough that it doesn't work.

[Darox]

How about answering all the questions you ignored the last time you said that.

[Darox]

Remember people, a vote for MafiaSSK is a vote for justice in this world.

[Darox]

I wasn't aware I was lurking in this game.

In other news,

Vote: Retrowiz

This vote has reasons.

[Darox]

Excuse me while I read some stuff.

Unvote

[Darox]

Ho ho ho ho ho.

First, I know mafiassk is a horrible player, but getting him to l-2 that soon...

and as a jokevote I would accept it, but to go for it serious darox?

Is EVERY replacement going to think I'm serious about MafiaSSK?
Anyway.

Darox's look at people on and off the wagon

You are actually accusing everyone for attacking your point of lynching a lurker, no matter what. You really think you can get away with that?

Uhhh. Finding three people's actions suspicious is attacking everyone?
I don't think you understand that I only thought the bolded points were suspicious, and that I was listing every single vote on mafiassk and post against the mafiassk wagon.

Darox's awesome post about Sineish and Gecko

that was end page four, and sineish was never on SSK. But I think gecko was also good to your needs, wasn't he?

I know Sineish was never on MafiaSSK. Thats WHY I found him suspicious, because of the ways in which he defended MafiaSSK.

I did not vote MafiaSSK randomly.

that's why you are antitown. Thank you for admitting it.

Oh my.

I better give it up then, if you said I am antitown.
No but really, why is it antitown again?

Now now, we wouldn't just get a bit more time for him to claim, we would also become less appealing to replacements.

I see absolutely no reason to extend this day further, unless you bring up compelling reasons to look into someone not named gecko.

You like it when it is dark?

What is with this conception that wanting to end the day is something mafia only want because then they get a kill?

No really, it doesn't make any sense.

Darox's sarcastic response to afatchic

here in post 233, you are explaining your reasons for your votes. I'm sorry, but I don't see them. Saying someone is scummy is not a reason. And you admit this is your case. You have done nothing in the whole game.

I didn't spell it out for everyone, but he was scummy for joining a large early bandwagon for pretty poor reasons.

As for "done nothing this game" try looking again.

Yawn.

The crowd wants to see some blood spilled, release the lions already.

If you don't do anything, nothing is going to happen. BTW, translate this as: I'm sleepy, can we get to night and let me kill someone.

Once again, what is with this conception that wanting to end the day is something mafia only want because then they get a kill?

No really, I'm dying to know.

Day two, being short, brought me on track of darox. He had always been in favour of a gecko lynch, but suddenly, day 2, he chooses to stay of the lynch. His opinion of gecko never changed, he wanted gecko to be lynched, but didn't vote him. A break with his previous strategy.

Strategy?

Anyway, I chose to stay off the lynch because by the time I was going to vote he was already at L-1 and I was hesitant about ending the day asap, in case anybody was going to comment on the night kills or anyone else they felt was suspicious. For someone who attacked me for not wanting the protracted day 1 one to continue it's parody of life, you seem to be leading a double standard here.

KoC complaining about Darox being part of the Gecko quick lynch day 2 when Darox never voted day 2

darox's reaction:

Darox explaining why KoC is doing it wrong.

a. you were accused of your obsession with ssk, and the lynch of gecko (where you stayed of). The answer you give is: "Don't look at me because of the mislynches".
b. you create a reason to vote for every town person that points out that a vote on a player is wrong. Vote me already, if I see it, I'm going to do it.
c. its a shame that your first non-oneliner post is a defence that doesn't defend you against the accusations.

A: Wrong. My answer was "Gecko was exceedingly scummy and I'm not going to apologize for thinking he was scum" The mislynches comment was because KoC chided me and everyone else for mislynching two suspicious townies while he wasn't even the playing.
B: Uhhh..... What are you trying to say here? What words of mine are you even trying to rebut?
C: Except it's not. Please try reading the thread again, only this time, open your eyes. Thanks.

Remember people, a vote for MafiaSSK is a vote for justice in this world.

reasons except he is a lurker?

Because his name is MafiaSSK and he is my gimmick for today.

I wasn't aware I was lurking in this game.

In other news,

Vote: Retrowiz

This vote has reasons.

a. we were aware...
b. that is something that you have reasons. a pity you didn't bother to post them...

Oh my. Someone wants to know my reasons for a vote. This is the first time this has ever happened to me.

No I didn't post my reasons, and I don't intend too unless I feel a pressing need too.

conclusion: you are a lurker, sometimes an active lurker. You have never, in the whole game posted reasons for any of your votes. You are antitown in your play.

vote darox

Except I have contributed and I have posted reasons for some of my votes.

Oops?

--

Conclusion: Swing and a miss.

[Darox]

You don't want to give reasons, because you don't have any.

Because I don't want to give them away and I want to see what they do in reaction. But nice try.

You voted ssk for being a lurker, say now it was a joke, yet:

I did not vote MafiaSSK randomly.

because you admit it was not a joke. contradiction, scum

a. you vote for a known lurker.
b. you actually want him to be lynched
c. you lie about it.

wrong course of action. Just let him be replaced, like happened now. Normally, longer day's benefit town, but you want to end them. I know it dragged, but a series of one-liners about lynching lurker-scum-ssk and can we finally end this day, is really not contributing.

Completely fail to understand sarcasm. I really need to look into using [joke] tags more often.

Riddle me this. If I was trying to get mafiaSSK lynched for joke reasons then pass it off as a bit of fun, why did I

derail the lynch myself

by unvoting and posting analyses of everyone else who joined the lynch as well as the people who opposed it?

and now you claim you wanted day 2 to be longer, and that was why you kept out of the wagon... No way! when you want the day to be longer, you tell the people to hold there votes, to have some discussion first. Reread it people, Darox never did that. He only asked for more votes, while he stayed of himself.

No, I didn't ask for more votes, thanks. Please try to actually read what I say and ignore the temptation to make stuff up. Nor did I want the day to be "longer". Day one was long, and half of it was filled with fluff. I wanted to see if anyone was going to discuss anything that wasn't about lynching gecko. Which, incidentally, is what I said during day 2.

Please try to keep up.

[Darox]

I am back. Had very limited access yesterday. I think I am not going to be able to post from work anymore.
Wll give you my thoughts this night.

Just remember to follow the tradition.

All replacements into a game with Darox must find him scummy somehow in their reread.

[Darox]

Ofc I am paying attention to the f..n' game "hurr hurr kuribo wtf are you doing?" Do you have any idea why RBT doesnt think you and me arent scum even though you have voted for him almost a month now?
The same question goes to RBT.
And to all the other readers, I dont know why I feel kuribo is sure RBT is going to come up scum. Or am I going crazy?
In other news, Darox needs to post.

Did you just accuse yourself and kuribo of being RBT's scumbuddies trying to buss him?

Come on, really?

[Darox]

When did we and has become confirmed lazy townies?
Yeah, scum one down.
Kuribo, any comments on the death of your scumparnter?

Just called Kuribo RBT's scum partner.

Ofc I am paying attention to the f..n' game "hurr hurr kuribo wtf are you doing?" Do you have any idea why RBT doesnt think you and me arent scum even though you have voted for him almost a month now?

Implies that the reason RBT hasn't voted for kuribo despite kuribo voting for him is because of scum buddery. Also groups Kuribo with yourself.

So yeah, I found my man.

Vote: Populartajo

[Darox]

Ok, so you think RBT and Kuribo are partners, and that RBT isn't attacking kuribo despite being attacked because of this.

SO WHY DID YOU INCLUDE YOURSELF WITH KURIBO WHEN SAYING THIS?

[Darox]

It DOES take a rocket scientist to figure out why you think a lack of an OMGUS vote is a scumtell.

This.

[Darox]

For now,

Vote: Darox

Still thinking kuribo is the best lynch. Depending on RBT's and Darox's next post Ill decide my lynch for the day.

It's a shame I'm already voting you, because otherwise I would vote you for this.

Kuribo is your top suspect and you feel he is likely scum, but you're going to vote for someone you consider to be 'unhelpful' over him?

What's the matter, get cold feet and decide to stop the bus? Can you please explain to me why you suddenly don't consider Kuribo, your top suspect, worthy of lynching?

[Darox]

No, I don't need any other suspects. We can only lynch one person a day.

I guess since everyone wants to string RBT up I better take a look at him closely and give a verdict though. Will do that shortly.

[Darox]

I said I wanted kuribo lynched. I still do.

Thats why Id prefer Kuribo. Im going to make a post rereading him soon.

Oh really? Then why, pray tell, are you not voting for him?

Now, you, I didnt like how you only posted as soon as I asked for you to post. Also I didnt like your reaction to my reasoning some pages ago. What was that, Darox?

Got to love this distortion. You didn't ask me to post recently. As for your previous 'reasoning', you had posted why you suspected kuribo to be RBT's scum partner, but in the process of this you included yourself with kuribo, effectively implying that everything you said for kuribo being RBT's scum partner was also true for you. Now you may be thinking "Why is that scummy", well, I'll tell you. By grouping himself with kuribo tajo sets himself up to have a weak argument presented against himself. "Hang on, RBT hasn't attacked you either! You must be RBT's real scum partner and trying to implicate kuribo!" This argument (As well as his initial reasoning for why kuribo could be RBT's scumparter) is fallacious and easy to disprove, and by dispelling such an argument he could make himself appear more townish than before, and also implies he didn't really believe in his words when he said kuribo was RBT's scumpartner.

[Darox]

RBT, thoughts of Darox and his last post.
I will answer it tomorrow.

I think you should respond to it first rather than evading it and getting others to sound it out beforehand.

[Darox]

I think you should respond to it first rather than evading it and getting others to sound it out beforehand.

He can give his opinion after you, stop evading.

[Darox]

No, TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS, DAMN.
RBT posted this:

Just so you all know, if you let the scum lynch me today, retro and has should be the first two to go after me.

He had four attackers: retro, has, kuribo and myself.
I singled kuribo and myself BECAUSE RBT EXCLUDED US, NOT ME.
All your posterior hypothesis and arguments based on your stupid theory dont make sense taking in count what I just said.
I have no idea why you keep pushing this even though Ive explained a hundred times.

I think kuribo is RBT's scumpartner. They are both my top suspects for a reason. Read my previous posts. The fact that RBT suspects has and retro and not me and kuribo, even though we all find him suspect, seems strange to me.

So you either pushed what you knew was a fallacious point against kuribo by calling him RBT's scum partner because it could easily be applied to yourself, but carefully ignoring that fact, or you were doing what I said you were doing here. Both of which are scum moves.

[Darox]

I'm tempted to pull a kuribo.

[Darox]

What exactly are you accusing me of?
Why the hell cant I think that RBT can be scumpartner with kuribo, specially taking into account that both were my top suspects for some time?
Do you AT LEAST understand my train of thought?
RBT excluded myself and kuribo and said that retro and has needed to die when ALL FOUR were doing basically the same thing: suspecting him hard.

I know I am town, then WHY CANT I THINK RBT EXCLUDED KURIBO for some idiotic reason, especially the one where they could be scumpartners?

What are your thoughts of RBT? Stop evading THAT QUESTION.

That right there.
"I know I'm town, so kuribo who is in the exact same position MUST BE SCUM!"

[Darox]

Ofc it would be idiotic to make an argument based on my only knowledge of my town condition.
Im only explaining Darox what was my process of thinking for that prob acenario.

No, your making an argument ignoring this, which is just as bad.

[Darox]

I would be voting populartajo.

Got anything to say about RBT?

[Darox]

If that question is for me the answer is "Im going to hate RBT, forever".
I have no idea why Darox wants to vote me. Im really hoping his reasoning doesnt involve the hammer. Explanation would be nice.
And if we are talking about who are we voting, Im going to decide between him and kuribo. Prob Darox as I have hated all his reasoning and lurking through the game. Myko's death also involves him directly.
You know fuck it. Assuming 3 scum, the most prob scenario, we are effectively in Lylo. So we have to lynch scum today. And I think Darox who is usually more agressive is scum for that pussy "Im going to vote tajo". If you think Im scum, then you should have probably voted me.

Vote: Darox.

See all of yesterday to find out why I'm thinking of voting you.
See day 2 for evidence to the contrary of your "Darox is aggressive" theory.
See your own post about LYLO to find out why I'm not voting you yet.

Really, was that so hard?

[Darox]

You said "Darox is usually aggressive, but he didn't vote for me right away in LYLO, so he MUST BE SCUM!"

I said "Since when am I usually aggressive"

[Darox]

hascow has a point.

We need to do something otherwise this game will go into deadline and a forced deadline lynch most likely end in scum victory.

With this in mind,

Vote: Populartajo

If you don't know why then I'll find you some reading glasses.

[Darox]

It's not that I don't give a shit, it's that reiterating constantly things that I've been saying for 15 pages gives me a headache.

This, pretty much.

I even mentioned in my post that I still had the same reasons from before.

[Darox]

Can you be a little kind and you guys express in few words why I am scum? I only see "let me go back to find out why I thought that" shit.

No, I'm saying "I've already detailed why I think you're scum, so if you missed it tough, put on your reading monocle and go look for it."

[Darox]

Ofc I am paying attention to the f..n' game "hurr hurr kuribo wtf are you doing?" Do you have any idea why RBT doesnt think you and me arent scum even though you have voted for him almost a month now?
The same question goes to RBT.
And to all the other readers, I dont know why I feel kuribo is sure RBT is going to come up scum. Or am I going crazy?
In other news, Darox needs to post.

Did you just accuse yourself and kuribo of being RBT's scumbuddies trying to buss him?

Come on, really?

When did we and has become confirmed lazy townies?
Yeah, scum one down.
Kuribo, any comments on the death of your scumparnter?

Just called Kuribo RBT's scum partner.

Ofc I am paying attention to the f..n' game "hurr hurr kuribo wtf are you doing?" Do you have any idea why RBT doesnt think you and me arent scum even though you have voted for him almost a month now?

Implies that the reason RBT hasn't voted for kuribo despite kuribo voting for him is because of scum buddery. Also groups Kuribo with yourself.

So yeah, I found my man.

Vote: Populartajo

For now,

Vote: Darox

Still thinking kuribo is the best lynch. Depending on RBT's and Darox's next post Ill decide my lynch for the day.

It's a shame I'm already voting you, because otherwise I would vote you for this.

Kuribo is your top suspect and you feel he is likely scum, but you're going to vote for someone you consider to be 'unhelpful' over him?

What's the matter, get cold feet and decide to stop the bus? Can you please explain to me why you suddenly don't consider Kuribo, your top suspect, worthy of lynching?

I said I wanted kuribo lynched. I still do.

Thats why Id prefer Kuribo. Im going to make a post rereading him soon.

Oh really? Then why, pray tell, are you not voting for him?

Now, you, I didnt like how you only posted as soon as I asked for you to post. Also I didnt like your reaction to my reasoning some pages ago. What was that, Darox?

Got to love this distortion. You didn't ask me to post recently. As for your previous 'reasoning', you had posted why you suspected kuribo to be RBT's scum partner, but in the process of this you included yourself with kuribo, effectively implying that everything you said for kuribo being RBT's scum partner was also true for you. Now you may be thinking "Why is that scummy", well, I'll tell you. By grouping himself with kuribo tajo sets himself up to have a weak argument presented against himself. "Hang on, RBT hasn't attacked you either! You must be RBT's real scum partner and trying to implicate kuribo!" This argument (As well as his initial reasoning for why kuribo could be RBT's scumparter) is fallacious and easy to disprove, and by dispelling such an argument he could make himself appear more townish than before, and also implies he didn't really believe in his words when he said kuribo was RBT's scumpartner.

RBT, thoughts of Darox and his last post.
I will answer it tomorrow.

I think you should respond to it first rather than evading it and getting others to sound it out beforehand.

No, TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS, DAMN.
RBT posted this:

Just so you all know, if you let the scum lynch me today, retro and has should be the first two to go after me.

He had four attackers: retro, has, kuribo and myself.
I singled kuribo and myself BECAUSE RBT EXCLUDED US, NOT ME.
All your posterior hypothesis and arguments based on your stupid theory dont make sense taking in count what I just said.
I have no idea why you keep pushing this even though Ive explained a hundred times.

I think kuribo is RBT's scumpartner. They are both my top suspects for a reason. Read my previous posts. The fact that RBT suspects has and retro and not me and kuribo, even though we all find him suspect, seems strange to me.

So you either pushed what you knew was a fallacious point against kuribo by calling him RBT's scum partner because it could easily be applied to yourself, but carefully ignoring that fact, or you were doing what I said you were doing here. Both of which are scum moves.

What exactly are you accusing me of?
Why the hell cant I think that RBT can be scumpartner with kuribo, specially taking into account that both were my top suspects for some time?
Do you AT LEAST understand my train of thought?
RBT excluded myself and kuribo and said that retro and has needed to die when ALL FOUR were doing basically the same thing: suspecting him hard.

I know I am town, then WHY CANT I THINK RBT EXCLUDED KURIBO for some idiotic reason, especially the one where they could be scumpartners?

What are your thoughts of RBT? Stop evading THAT QUESTION.

That right there.
"I know I'm town, so kuribo who is in the exact same position MUST BE SCUM!"

Ofc it would be idiotic to make an argument based on my only knowledge of my town condition.
Im only explaining Darox what was my process of thinking for that prob acenario.

No, your making an argument ignoring this, which is just as bad.

I guess you just happened to miss this small part where I showed reasons why I suspected you.

[Darox]

Darox, I guess you also missed the part where I show why every of your reasons are not valid, right?

Waving your hands and saying "It's not valid!" doesn't make it so.

[Darox]

Darox, I guess you also missed the part where I show why every of your reasons are not valid, right?

Waving your hands and saying "It's not valid!" doesn't make it so.

Waving yours and saying "Its valid" doesnt make it so also.
The only reason I see in all your quotes is that retarded assumption that I am scum because I singled myself with kuribo which I thought was his scumpartner.
I EXPLAINED IT A MILLION TIMES.
RBT posted this:

Just so you all know, if you let the scum lynch me today, retro and has should be the first two to go after me.

People suspecting him were: "Retro, has, kuribo and populartajo"
So I posted this.

Ofc I am paying attention to the f..n' game "hurr hurr kuribo wtf are you doing?" Do you have any idea why RBT doesnt think you and me arent scum even though you have voted for him almost a month now?
The same question goes to RBT.

Then you vote me for the worst reason ever and the I explain to kuribo.

No. I want Rice to explain what does diferentiate has-retro from kuribo and me. Since I know Im town, this makes me think about RBT-kuribo scumpair.
This isnt so hard to understand, right?

Darox, you are not reading, why?

If you actually read what I wrote and indeed recently quoted, you would know that I already explained why everything you just said here is either false or inaccurate.

[Darox]

darox/has/kuribo/tajo: you seem to be the only people playing. how about that, huh?

Oh and I'm going to go back to an old post of mine.

No, I don't need any other suspects. We can only lynch one person a day.

It seems like your trying to find a bad reason to discredit the tajo suspicion by saying we don't have his partners pegged down though, so if I had to pick someone I'd pick you.

[Darox]

When did I ever say we should have a quick undiscussed lynch?
I'm completely open and willing to hear reasons why you think tajo may or may not be scum, but talking about scum partners right now is a waste of time.

It's a short road from thinking about scum partners to WIFOM hell, and right now we don't need to peg every scum, we just need to lynch one scum today, and go from there tomorrow.

So if you have reasons why you think tajo isn't scum or an alternative, feel free to share them, but talking about scum partners is nothing more than a distraction and a way to let scum wriggle out of the lynch by dismissing any argument against them by avoiding them saying "I can't possibly be scum partners with XYZ" or "There's nobody linked to me, I must be town".

You know, like tajo's trying to do when he says "You can't find any scum partners so I'm not scum."

[Darox]

Darox, is it logical to think that if a player doesnt have strong scumlinks with anyone in the game, he isnt scum?

Talking about scum partners is nothing more than a distraction and a way to let scum wriggle out of the lynch by dismissing any argument against them by avoiding them saying "I can't possibly be scum partners with XYZ" or "There's nobody linked to me, I must be town".

You know, like tajo's trying to do when he says "You can't find any scum partners so I'm not scum."

Anyways, my reason to vote you has been crap case.

This isn't a rebuttal. Saying my case is bad neither discredits my case nor improves yours. Unless you provide some evidence, this is nothing more than empty words.

Unless you're describing your own case, in which case I agree that since it has been based largely on calling my legitimate points against you crap with no further explaination that it is indeed a crap case.

[Darox]

Since I was so kind to show all the stuff I had on you, perhaps you may be inclined to do the same, because I can see nothing that I haven't already disproven.

[Darox]

I'll be on vacation from the 22nd till the 27th, so don't expect much posting from me.

[Darox]

The reason for the scum parters is I still like the darox lynch, and he's pushing for tajo. so I'd like to see if it's just the 2 (darox and tajo) that we have on the blocks today or if theres a third suspect to throw in the mix.

You could provide your own suspicions rather than being a sheeple and just going with whichever bandwagon is a biggest.

And did you forget about K7 or something?

[Darox]

Since I was so kind to show all the stuff I had on you, perhaps you may be inclined to do the same, because I can see nothing that I haven't already disproven.

Hiiiiiiiiii.

[Darox]

Since I was so kind to show all the stuff I had on you, perhaps you may be inclined to do the same, because I can see nothing that I haven't already disproven.

Hiiiiiiiiii.

Hi, Darox.
Read, your case on me is the worst case Ive experienced in my whole time here.
Dont quote things. A 5 years old boy can do it. I want a case, one-two lignes. I already assumed your only case is this "Tajo singled out himself with kuribo and he thought he was scum, therefore he must be scum" fiasco. You said this isnt the case. I look again but I dont find anything. THEN I DONT SEE WHATS THE CASE ON ME.
I dont know if this even merits a vote in Lylo.

Are you being deliberately dense or something?

Allow me to restate it, in EXTRA BOLD FONT.

First, let's start with my feelings that your behaviour is suspicious as well as the quoted posts that made me react as such.

Ofc I am paying attention to the f..n' game "hurr hurr kuribo wtf are you doing?" Do you have any idea why RBT doesnt think you and me arent scum even though you have voted for him almost a month now?
The same question goes to RBT.
And to all the other readers, I dont know why I feel kuribo is sure RBT is going to come up scum. Or am I going crazy?
In other news, Darox needs to post.

Did you just accuse yourself and kuribo of being RBT's scumbuddies trying to buss him?

Come on, really?

When did we and has become confirmed lazy townies?
Yeah, scum one down.
Kuribo, any comments on the death of your scumparnter?

Just called Kuribo RBT's scum partner.

Ofc I am paying attention to the f..n' game "hurr hurr kuribo wtf are you doing?" Do you have any idea why RBT doesnt think you and me arent scum even though you have voted for him almost a month now?

Implies that the reason RBT hasn't voted for kuribo despite kuribo voting for him is because of scum buddery. Also groups Kuribo with yourself.

So yeah, I found my man.

Vote: Populartajo

For now,

Vote: Darox

Still thinking kuribo is the best lynch. Depending on RBT's and Darox's next post Ill decide my lynch for the day.

It's a shame I'm already voting you, because otherwise I would vote you for this.

Kuribo is your top suspect and you feel he is likely scum, but you're going to vote for someone you consider to be 'unhelpful' over him?

What's the matter, get cold feet and decide to stop the bus? Can you please explain to me why you suddenly don't consider Kuribo, your top suspect, worthy of lynching?

RBT, thoughts of Darox and his last post.
I will answer it tomorrow.

I think you should respond to it first rather than evading it and getting others to sound it out beforehand.

What exactly are you accusing me of?
Why the hell cant I think that RBT can be scumpartner with kuribo, specially taking into account that both were my top suspects for some time?
Do you AT LEAST understand my train of thought?
RBT excluded myself and kuribo and said that retro and has needed to die when ALL FOUR were doing basically the same thing: suspecting him hard.

I know I am town, then WHY CANT I THINK RBT EXCLUDED KURIBO for some idiotic reason, especially the one where they could be scumpartners?

What are your thoughts of RBT? Stop evading THAT QUESTION.

That right there.
"I know I'm town, so kuribo who is in the exact same position MUST BE SCUM!"

Ofc it would be idiotic to make an argument based on my only knowledge of my town condition.
Im only explaining Darox what was my process of thinking for that prob acenario.

No, your making an argument ignoring this, which is just as bad.

Do you see these? These responses of mine where I find your behaviour suspicious? Yes? Good.

Now, lets have a look at the posts where I summarize these into a case.

I said I wanted kuribo lynched. I still do.

Thats why Id prefer Kuribo. Im going to make a post rereading him soon.

Oh really? Then why, pray tell, are you not voting for him?

Now, you, I didnt like how you only posted as soon as I asked for you to post. Also I didnt like your reaction to my reasoning some pages ago. What was that, Darox?

Got to love this distortion. You didn't ask me to post recently. As for your previous 'reasoning', you had posted why you suspected kuribo to be RBT's scum partner, but in the process of this you included yourself with kuribo, effectively implying that everything you said for kuribo being RBT's scum partner was also true for you. Now you may be thinking "Why is that scummy", well, I'll tell you. By grouping himself with kuribo tajo sets himself up to have a weak argument presented against himself. "Hang on, RBT hasn't attacked you either! You must be RBT's real scum partner and trying to implicate kuribo!" This argument (As well as his initial reasoning for why kuribo could be RBT's scumparter) is fallacious and easy to disprove, and by dispelling such an argument he could make himself appear more townish than before, and also implies he didn't really believe in his words when he said kuribo was RBT's scumpartner.

No, TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS, DAMN.
RBT posted this:

Just so you all know, if you let the scum lynch me today, retro and has should be the first two to go after me.

He had four attackers: retro, has, kuribo and myself.
I singled kuribo and myself BECAUSE RBT EXCLUDED US, NOT ME.
All your posterior hypothesis and arguments based on your stupid theory dont make sense taking in count what I just said.
I have no idea why you keep pushing this even though Ive explained a hundred times.

I think kuribo is RBT's scumpartner. They are both my top suspects for a reason. Read my previous posts. The fact that RBT suspects has and retro and not me and kuribo, even though we all find him suspect, seems strange to me.

So you either pushed what you knew was a fallacious point against kuribo by calling him RBT's scum partner because it could easily be applied to yourself, but carefully ignoring that fact, or you were doing what I said you were doing here. Both of which are scum moves.

Can you see it? Here, I'll highlight it with EXTRA BOLD FONT like I promised.

As for your previous 'reasoning', you had posted why you suspected kuribo to be RBT's scum partner, but in the process of this you included yourself with kuribo, effectively implying that everything you said for kuribo being RBT's scum partner was also true for you. Now you may be thinking "Why is that scummy", well, I'll tell you. By grouping himself with kuribo tajo sets himself up to have a weak argument presented against himself. "Hang on, RBT hasn't attacked you either! You must be RBT's real scum partner and trying to implicate kuribo!" This argument (As well as his initial reasoning for why kuribo could be RBT's scumparter) is fallacious and easy to disprove, and by dispelling such an argument he could make himself appear more townish than before, and also implies he didn't really believe in his words when he said kuribo was RBT's scumpartner.

So you either pushed what you knew was a fallacious point against kuribo by calling him RBT's scum partner because it could easily be applied to yourself, but carefully ignoring that fact, or you were doing what I said you were doing here. Both of which are scum moves.

Can you read that? Do I need to further bold it?

Now, you might say "This is exactly what you posted last time."
Yes, yes it is. That is because I have had this case against you since yesterday, you have just been ignoring it and claiming that it does not exist. No matter how many times you claim I don't have a real case, this does not change the fact I have had it since day 3 and it is very real. In fact, you're very refusal to see what is right in front of you and being deliberately dense by saying I have not posted a case against you is a common scum method of trying to devalue a case without actually disputing the points of the case itself. So that's three cases I have against you now. Let's put them in a list. A nice, EXTRA BOLD FONT list so that you can't miss it.

1: Setting up weak arguments against yourself that you can easily quash to try and prevent real cases against you from forming
2: Pushing an argument against another player that you know is fallacious and incorrect.
3: Trying to discredit an argument by ignoring it rather than actually proving it false.

[Darox]

Im not pretending anything. Im asking what do you think of his case if his attacks can be applied exactly to you.

They can't, by the way, so I'd prefer it if you didn't try to further avoid the cases I've outlined against you by falsely claiming they also apply equally to kuribo.

[Darox]

By the way, ignoring my nicely laid out EXTRA BOLD FONT case won't make it disappear either.

[Darox]

@Has, I dont get how risking someone's lynch when there are 3-4 people not even posting can be protown behaviour. I assume you agree with Darox case, right?

I know right, it's crazy.

In fact, it's

EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.

I don't get how calling has out for placing a vote in lylo to make someone l-2 is somehow different from what you or retro did.

So what's the difference between hascow and retro, pop?

[Darox]

@Has, I dont get how risking someone's lynch when there are 3-4 people not even posting can be protown behaviour. I assume you agree with Darox case, right?

I know right, it's crazy.

In fact, it's

EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.

I don't get how calling has out for placing a vote in lylo to make someone l-2 is somehow different from what you or retro did.

So what's the difference between hascow and retro, pop?

Dude. The difference is that I think you are scum and I know I am town. Also, read back to find out that I think retro is my only town read in this mess.
Tell me, what does the fact that you are at L-2 and not dead yet mean?

It tells me you and probably retro are scum.

Why don't you ask the same thing about yourself?
You can say "I'm town" all you like, it doesn't prove a damn thing.

[Darox]

Exactly. From my perspective I know you arent going to believe me (if you are town, small prob) or you already know it but deny to accept it for obv reasons (if you are scum, big prob).
From your perspective, assuming you are town, I am scum with probscum retro, right? Why retro is probscum and why I am 100% scum?
From my perspective, the reason why you arent dead is that you are scum and your partners havent decided to bus you yet.
We are progressing. According to you, who is the third scum, Darox?

Because I've suspected you of being scum from day 3 and everything thus far has only hardened my suspicions, whereas I haven't had a real read on retro, but given the circumstances he is a logical partner to you.

I don't know who the third scum is yet. Nor do I need to know. As I said before, we only have one lynch a day and in the process of lynching you and then retro we should be able to root out the last member, as well as of course the possibility of the jailkeeper getting a successful block/protection and giving us a pseudo-inspect that way.

[Darox]

Here's some food for thought.

If you took poptajo's posts and replaced the word town with scum and the word scum with town they would still make perfect sense.

Stop bleating out that your town and thus your cause is pure and the only correct way. Saying you're town doesn't prove you are, and it certainly doesn't make you right.

[Darox]

Actually my case on you wasn't something I made up and I would have definitely throw it at you as town as well.

You can't take a situation where you and another player are under the same conditions then assume that because you're town, the other player must be scum. That's terrible logic. A: No one else knows you're town. B: It's a false dilemma and you can both easily be town.

Having the last word doesn't mean you 'beat' the argument. On the contrary, your last word managed to miss what my argument was saying completely.

I think we did quite well early as well, especially in using armlx to kill off afatchic and gecko then killing him before he could start asking questions.

[Darox]

Is there going to be modnotes?

In any case, the scum night talk is located here.

[Darox]

Tajo, you had me sweating bullets at the end, but I had to keep in mind that

I didn't HAVE to fool you

, I just had to fool one other townie. For what it's worth, your defenses weren't too bad on the surface, but the "I know I'm town" part made it easy to gloss over alot of them.

This.

All through the end of the last day I was thinking "It doesn't matter what tajo thinks, it doesn't matter what retro thinks, we just need to convince K7 or KoC that we're right and we've done it"