2020 scum league fantasy football

PokerFace · Post Post #18 (isolation #0) » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:00 pm

In post 1, Yiley wrote:/in hope there is a season to /in for

PokerFace · Post Post #53 (isolation #1) » Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:06 am

We using random draft order for all leagues or we gonna have some fun order picking thing this year?

I am fine with either as I did say previously we should try random order

PokerFace · Post Post #87 (isolation #2) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:55 am

And the draft order and time for league 2 are?

PokerFace · Post Post #105 (isolation #3) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:04 pm

I changed my signature and was active during marathon day trying to get more peeps. Seems it did not work

You could always make a tenth team for mith and send him power over it later. Have you pmed him about the league stuff recently?

We doing any divisions for our 10 person league like before when we had 10 and 5 per division with 6 in the playoffs?

PokerFace · Post Post #114 (isolation #4) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:06 am

Glad to have you back flameaxe

When we last had 10 we had 6 in playoffs. I forget why we did that but I remember it was a good reason. I honestly am ok with 4 as long as its not guaranteed 2 per division in playoffs

PokerFace · Post Post #118 (isolation #5) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:03 am

You can see league 2 history can't you? I am fine with 4 or 6 really

Is there going to be an eliminator thread this year? Leaning toward taking BUF week 1 for that

PokerFace · Post Post #119 (isolation #6) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:07 am

In post 116, D3f3nd3r wrote:The reasoning was that it let us play an even 13-week schedule of playing everyone in the division twice and playing everyone outside the division once.

Yes that was reasoning behind the 6. I think we had 1 and 2 based on overall record get byes. You can win division and be a 3 seed. 4 plays 5 and 3 plays 6 during week 14 with rest of the playoffs being week 15 and 16. Overall playoffs look like conference schedules last year. If we do 4 person playoff I don't think we need divisions.

PokerFace · Post Post #120 (isolation #7) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:09 am

In post 118, PokerFace wrote:You can see league 2 history can't you? I am fine with 4 or 6 really

Is there going to be an eliminator thread this year? Leaning toward taking BUF week 1 for that

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PokerFace · Post Post #123 (isolation #8) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:40 am

In post 121, Nero Cain wrote:i'll do w/e ppl want so if you guys rather have a 6 person playoff then fine.

i don't care which we do as long as everyone else happy.

PokerFace · Post Post #128 (isolation #9) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:02 pm

PokerFace · Post Post #129 (isolation #10) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:30 pm

I have officially got worst draft grade by yahoo standards in all my leagues. Hooray!

PokerFace · Post Post #142 (isolation #11) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:28 am

Yay the default scoring scheme for defenses likely needs an overhaul so that negative points are either impossible or far more rare

PokerFace · Post Post #143 (isolation #12) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:29 am

BTW why we no longer cliped to the top of mishmash? I like being easily able to find the thread

PokerFace · Post Post #147 (isolation #13) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:17 am

monty?

PokerFace · Post Post #152 (isolation #14) » Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:34 pm

The 6 is more fair if you use divisions.

4 is better if you don't use divisions since there often isn't really a set group of who plays who twice when divisions are not used

PokerFace · Post Post #153 (isolation #15) » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:07 am

First bell and now cmc. Anyone willing to give me an rb for something I have reach out to me please. I am good at TE and QB so would not mind giving up something there if the price is right

PokerFace · Post Post #155 (isolation #16) » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:26 pm

don't need a wr and someone might need a qb for an rb

I threw te up there in case someone wanted both for some reason

PokerFace · Post Post #157 (isolation #17) » Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:51 pm

Honestly a good TE can be pretty scarce and there are a lot of awful QBs that could use some replacing around the league

PokerFace · Post Post #160 (isolation #18) » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:01 am

Yes i was not expecting a stud. Wavier position should get me a decent fill in until at least one of bell and cmc is healthy again but if not i am willing to listen to offers. Not gonna accept or decline until after waivers go through

PokerFace · Post Post #168 (isolation #19) » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:30 am

Probably should have said a notable consistent te and the awful qbs around the league was refering to the nfl in general not our league in general

But nero is probably right, i am overthinking this

PokerFace · Post Post #179 (isolation #20) » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:58 am

lul^

Mike Davis and Robinson should serve me well while I what for CMC and Bell to come back

PokerFace · Post Post #181 (isolation #21) » Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:26 am

No in MS league I got both chargers and arizona defense who you all think does better this week?

PokerFace · Post Post #184 (isolation #22) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:51 am

The baltimore defense was available in our league, wow. If I did not have buffalo and needed a defense, I would have picked them up

I started arizona in that other league, got me 3 more points than chargers would have despite both of those teams losing games they should have won

PokerFace · Post Post #196 (isolation #23) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:13 am

How would you do waivers? I think its best when its based on who has been making use of the waivers the most. You get people a lot and use the waiver priority, you lose it. That's better than last place always getting first because if the right player gets injured, you will never get their backup and your entire season could go to shit. For example, let's say its the playoffs and you are playing 4th seed next week. Your team is great so you never really picked up anyone. But your #1 rb just went down with injury last week. And who gets first dibs at the backup? The guy in last who is not even in the playoffs. The guy who has been scrabbling for players all season, making bad choices. He can do well in consolation bracket if they are in it. Meanwhile you finish forth after your undefeated season

PokerFace · Post Post #201 (isolation #24) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:04 am

FAAB?

Unless someones entire fantasy team gets covid, no one is all ten and min, no one should have a rush as large as what rec seems to infer. And a rush of injuries can really effect anyone not just last so i am not on board with reck.

PokerFace · Post Post #202 (isolation #25) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:07 am

I recall us doing it recs way only once. Back when we had 3 leagues i was in 3 and we had things accidently set that way. Entire league greed to never do it again for same reasons i gave earlier and because all those involved did not like it.

PokerFace · Post Post #206 (isolation #26) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:55 am

How many injuries does BBM/FlameAxe have that he needs that many players? I can't view yahoo fantasy football while at work. I am in first with both Bell and McCaffery on IR and have been able to find replacement for them.

FAAB sounds fine. But if you bid $50 on a player, get them, they get injured, you drop them, then do you now get that $50 back or is it gone forever?

PokerFace · Post Post #212 (isolation #27) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:50 am

I think I may be misunderstanding you. I have been doing a shit ton of math at work today so my brain is a little fried at moment. Let me get on same page as you

1. How many injuries has BBM/Flameaxe had?
2. Has everyone above BBM in waiver priority been using their waiver priority? Have they been getting reset to 10 when using it?
3. How many people has BBM/Flameaxe been trying to get at once? Like what is most number of players he has gotten in 1 week off waivers?

4. Are you suggesting that whoever is in last should get all the people they want before anyone else gets anyone OR
Are you suggesting that whoever is in last gets their first choice, then everyone else in line gets their top most choice down the line, until it loops around to last again and they get their most highest choice and so on until all waiver selections are handled?

How many injuries does BBM/FlameAxe have that he needs that many players? I can't view yahoo fantasy football while at work. I am in first
place
with both Bell and McCaffery on IR and have been able to find replacement for them.

FAAB sounds fine. But if you bid $50 on a player, get them, they get injured, you drop them, then do you now get that $50 back or is it gone forever?

My waiver priority was only 4 at time as Nero pointed out when I used it to get mike davis. I have not used it every week so you do realize players that don't use it really aren't effecting bbm's chances of getting players.

From what I hear BBM is very good at fantasy football. Two first place finishes back to back in league 1. One first place finish in league 3 got him into league 1. He tends to make bold picks that pay off good so I shocked he last though season is young. Are you sure his large number of picks is because he has gotten injuries or is it because of his play style?

PokerFace · Post Post #215 (isolation #28) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:31 pm

yay unless recks method can fix:

In post 196, PokerFace wrote:How would you do waivers? I think its best when its based on who has been making use of the waivers the most. You get people a lot and use the waiver priority, you lose it. That's better than last place always getting first because if the right player gets injured, you will never get their backup and your entire season could go to shit. For example, let's say its the playoffs and you are playing 4th seed next week. Your team is great so you never really picked up anyone. But your #1 rb just went down with injury last week. And who gets first dibs at the backup? The guy in last who is not even in the playoffs. The guy who has been scrabbling for players all season, making bad choices. He can do well in consolation bracket if they are in it. Meanwhile you finish forth after your undefeated season

I do not support his ideas

PokerFace · Post Post #244 (isolation #29) » Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:37 am

The main reason I am a browns fan is because I live in Cleveland and I want them to be good again. If I didn't live in Cleveland and feel sorry for them, I would not be a browns fan. If I wanted to root for a team that knows what they are doing I could easily find another team. This is why every browns fan supports at least one nfc team. for me that is gb

That exact scenario I outlined has happened to me in other leagues on 3 occasions. I am in another league where I am first with henry mosert adams and schuster and that league has waivers go by standing. Because I am first and none of those 4 may play this week, I will have jack shit to start there since I could not get anyone on waivers due to being first

I thought real football did waivers based on who used waivers. did I miss something?

Also miles used his helmet on that qb because the qb called him the nword after he was tackled. I admit miles should not have done it but that qb should not have been a racist. Or atleast that is the rumor that the nword was used

I am not against faab unless you don't get the $50 back. See my previous question there and answer me if that is the case

PokerFace · Post Post #247 (isolation #30) » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:06 am

Yay I like panzer's reason better as I was not talking about getting it back for dropping player you drafted. Talking about dropping a player you just picked up

I am on the fence about faab with that in mind. You can still bid $1 and get players moving forward so you are not sol in that injury situation but it does still suck. As long as you manage your cash intelligently though, you should be fine. So I am not against faab, I would need to try it to see if I liked it

PokerFace · Post Post #248 (isolation #31) » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:15 am

And as far as flameaxe's kicker getting injured, its a kicker. Getting another from another team should be easy and should not be what flame uses his waiver priority on. Getting a kicker off waivers should never be done. wait til waivers expire and pick up whatever is available with no wait and no priority loss

PokerFace · Post Post #251 (isolation #32) » Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:21 am

shrug. I don't take internet banter personal and try to never say offensive or derogatory things back. Better to ignore than complain and risk anyone getting banned on this site

PokerFace · Post Post #268 (isolation #33) » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:11 am

Flameaxe did what? I can't access all fantasy football stuff while at work, but it sounds like he dropped everyone and messed with all the defenses.

Yay put humpty back together or give his team to someone else that wants to join the league. I don't get why flame would do something like that. Things escalated really poorly

PokerFace · Post Post #271 (isolation #34) » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:29 am

With henry, schuster, tanehill and probably adams and mosert out should I tank in my non ms league to get better waiver? What you guys think? I hate setting that allow that, but should I do it since I got no one to sub in for that league? The urge to exploit the crappy system is high

PokerFace · Post Post #286 (isolation #35) » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:01 am

yay reck is right this time. Its free wins either way for that division. Not sure its right to canibalize things though. I vote we find replacement.

PokerFace · Post Post #310 (isolation #36) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:35 am

my thoughts in red

In post 299, Nero Cain wrote:So @ some point this season I will be making a poll about changes we might be implementing
next season
. I would like you guys, either in this thread or via pm/discord to make proposals on what we will vote on.

So far the things we will be voting on are

-making FAAB our waiver and the budget (I propose $100)
<I would be willing to give this a try as long as we can vote it out year after if we all not like it

-using ppr
<0.5 is fine or we could use 0.5 or 1 by receiving first downs. After all should you really get any points for a catch you get behind line of scrimmage?

-getting rid of kickers
<I refuse this. Kickers are an essential part of FOOTball

-draft pick trades
<This is fine as long its by position

-getting rid of the 3rd WR and making it a flex spot
<I refuse. RB is already scarce. It will be more so as many try to get 3 to start every week. I'd rather we got rid of 3 wr and replace it with nothing

So you propose away and we can discuss things.

PokerFace · Post Post #311 (isolation #37) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:43 am

wr/te flex MIGHT be ok. Need to do some math as I don't think that will make te's scarce. But rb/wr/te I refuse!

If my comments bothered anyone, I apologize. So is anyone replacing flame?

PokerFace · Post Post #314 (isolation #38) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:28 pm

I think its fine to trade draft position a week or so before the draft as long as that stays consistent every round. Changing for just one round or trading for next year, I refuse!

I also refuse a super flex that involves QB. If we have a super flex everyone will want to start a QB there since they get the most points. So everyone will start 2 qbs and want 1 qb on their bench for byes and in case shit happens. 12 teams times 3 qbs is 36. There are not 36 starting QBs in the nfl!

No wonder pooky likes that idea. Pooky took mahomes

PokerFace · Post Post #322 (isolation #39) » Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:23 pm

In post 266, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 244, PokerFace wrote:The main reason I am a browns fan is because I live in Cleveland and I want them to be good again.
Don't feel bad. I'm a Bengals fan.

We got to feel good this week

PokerFace · Post Post #323 (isolation #40) » Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:25 pm

In post 314, PokerFace wrote:I think its fine to trade draft position a week or so before the draft as long as that stays consistent every round. Changing for just one round or trading for next year, I refuse!

I also refuse a super flex that involves QB. If we have a super flex everyone will want to start a QB there since they get the most points. So everyone will start 2 qbs and want 1 qb on their bench for byes and in case shit happens. 12 teams times 3 qbs is 36. There are not 36 starting QBs in the nfl!

No wonder pooky likes that idea. Pooky took mahomes

It should be noted that there are now 3 qbs on pooky's team

PokerFace · Post Post #329 (isolation #41) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:12 am

I still prefer points per receiving first down over ppr. You don't deserve any points if you catch a pass behind the line of scrimmage and just get back to the line of scrimmage. I see a lot of quick outs end like that in the nfl and you don't deserve points for it. Meanwhile if you catch the ball and get a first down, clearly you achieved something. Not sure if 0.5 or 1 per recieving first downs is best

Adding some form of extra points to receiving should create more rbs, wrs, and tes that can be played. It will likely create more wrs than anything else so I'd rather keep 3wrs. Rbs will still be too valuable since they will get more points than wrs and tes. Tes will probably get drafted higher with the add of wr/te. More will likely show up on benches because of the added versatility, with that in mind I'd rather keep 3wrs than change too much. Let's see how ppr or pprfd pans out first and we can revote on the flex the year after

PokerFace · Post Post #330 (isolation #42) » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:14 am

can you update the first post with who owns what teams in the leagues?

PokerFace · Post Post #337 (isolation #43) » Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:17 am

But I am in the north...

Also why north and south? Should be scum and town seriously

PokerFace · Post Post #339 (isolation #44) » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:40 pm

League 2 has 1 IR spot. I wouldn't mind having 1 more given the pandemic

PokerFace · Post Post #341 (isolation #45) » Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:07 am

Woah I think 10 is a excessive. No one is gonna need 10 especially since you only start 9. Before this season, 1 has always been fine, but because of the pandemic I think 2 would be all we would need

PokerFace · Post Post #343 (isolation #46) » Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:01 am

Even with what just happened to the ne vs den game and what is likely to happen again to the titans game, I still think 10 is excessive

PokerFace · Post Post #344 (isolation #47) » Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:17 am

I am losing this week if bufalo and tenessee gets canceled

PokerFace · Post Post #346 (isolation #48) » Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:54 am

I got allen and diggs. So I just picked up cousins and david moore since they play tonight and a hurricane might cancel the monday game. If tuesday game canceled I will have to sub in cousins and moore and hope for the best

PokerFace · Post Post #347 (isolation #49) » Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:07 pm

I have decided to hope nfl finds a way. Considering how moore and cousins are playing, they might not get me enough anyway

PokerFace · Post Post #348 (isolation #50) » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:36 pm

I still hope nfl finds a way especially since I would have won already if I had gone with the cousins and moore plan

PokerFace · Post Post #352 (isolation #51) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:14 am

Its probably better we over due it than under due it with this pandemic so I guess 10 is better than too few if you can't change it again, since it sounds like you can't change it again

We all should keep note of the max number of IRs we actually use during a given week so if shit like this ever happens again (heaven forbid) we know the exact number we need

For example I am currently using just 2 spots for fant and cmc. Bell is back and healthy though I did not start him this week given jets could be unpredictable with the new qb and bell just getting healthy

PokerFace · Post Post #354 (isolation #52) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:34 am

TEN, I SEE IR spots lol

PokerFace · Post Post #358 (isolation #53) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:35 am

So do we still get players wednesday morning or does that move to thursday morning because of the tuesday game?

PokerFace · Post Post #364 (isolation #54) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:49 pm

There are a couple good qbs out there in our league still. I recently decided to adopt the pooky strats and get 3 qbs because of josh allens value to my team and I needed someone with a late game in case I learned about a later cancelation

PokerFace · Post Post #365 (isolation #55) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:54 pm

Also you still have Stafford who is not bad and already had his bye so you could technically start him the rest of the year and never need another qb

PokerFace · Post Post #366 (isolation #56) » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:11 am

Also I just noticed something off about Yahoo's settings. Everyone that is not on one of our league teams that does not play until tonight is now on waivers. So if anyone was planning on making a late game sub, you can't. Its suppose to be Gametime-tuesday but it looks like gametime being tuesday causes a bug for yahoo. oops

If the fish wanted to drop one of his lions who did not play for Ryan Tanehill to avoid all waiver priority since Ryan doesn't not play until tonight, the fish normally could but yahoo is saying NO

PokerFace · Post Post #367 (isolation #57) » Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:35 am

Also Nero I respect what you are doing for fantasy football since you are running league 2 and I don't have the time to do that, but your comment about Dak can kinda be seen as a bad since its a horrific injury. I am not a cowboys fan and generally unaffected, but it does suck. To some degree some of the things we said about flame axe should also be withdrawn. Your comment on the way's new use of the team to get a win after flame left was an indirect jab at flameaxe after he was already gone

Also you know that waiver by last place system we both don't like? Liking that priority system doesn't make you a 14 year old or immature. I am 36 and I am in another FF league where the average age is 31. And that is the league I am in where we have that bad last place gets first waiver priority system. And I really really really considered tanking in that league that week since 1/2 my team was out, but I still didn't since the guys in that league are my friends. I did all that I could and still took a loss in that league that week and potentially this week too due to a chunk of other players i lost because of denver vs ne. I ultimately didn't want to be a tanker and screw with my friends so I didn't do it.

Even though people like flameaxe do the bad things like drop all the players, I still value flameaxe as a friend and value what he has done for the mafiascum community. I did enjoy playing with flameaxe in mafia in the past and still steal from his mafiascum game rules when I run games. There is even part of me that regrets having flameaxe get replaced. In hindsight I'd rather we had encouraged him and helped him do better while keeping our current priority system. His team still had good players, he was just having an off year. He usually is quite good at fantasy football so I am sure he could have fixed that team with the right moves

PokerFace · Post Post #368 (isolation #58) » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:42 am

No new positives. Tuesday football is on!

PokerFace · Post Post #370 (isolation #59) » Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:04 pm

The waivers still say 10/14 for me so they still need to fix that

PokerFace · Post Post #371 (isolation #60) » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:06 pm

ok now thats^ fixed too

PokerFace · Post Post #372 (isolation #61) » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:44 am

Well Bell just became the most wasted fantasy draft pick for this year. He has that title for 2 separate years now. I hope seattle picks him up because their rbs get unhealthy but ultimatly I will shop him and or ertz for just about anything. My team had no needs, now it has some

PokerFace · Post Post #373 (isolation #62) » Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:08 am

And no i dont consider barkley to have that title this year because injuries suck while bells issues are being cut and not playing at all for pit that year

PokerFace · Post Post #378 (isolation #63) » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:27 pm

I am by no means saying him dropping all the players was right. It wasn't. I just wish we all had handled that better. It's time to move on

Kinda surprised Bell isn't at least looking at Seatle. Seattle has had issues keeping RBs healthy especially last year. Seatle is a team that could win it all too, unlike Miami, CHI, LV

I think he would have descent value if he went to NE since NE has had some player health issues this year. Miami or Chicago could give him descent value pending how they want to use him. But for the most part if he is not signed by the time CMC comes off IR, I will probably drop bell.

I picked up Lindsey since there is good chance gordon faces a suspension after his recent arrest for drunk driving, speeding

PokerFace · Post Post #381 (isolation #64) » Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:40 pm

I kinda feel bad for whoever took all the time to plan out the schedule in advance because seriously all your work is flying out the window this year

PokerFace · Post Post #383 (isolation #65) » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:07 am

And in case anyone was wondering, no you can't IR someone that is NA. I can't IR bell though he is obv out this week. You can only ir true outs and irs

PokerFace · Post Post #385 (isolation #66) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:13 pm

Reck dropped Henderson and Waller for some reason so I picked them up. That should fix my tight end and rbs needs. Bell is not worth keeping in comparison to them

In other news, I might lose to the power of the magical bear this week. Fact I once tested two Care Bears iOS games for an old job makes this kinda funny

PokerFace · Post Post #386 (isolation #67) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:25 am

And no one is undefeated in league 2 anymore

PokerFace · Post Post #390 (isolation #68) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:40 pm

Interesting, the top 2 in the north (Should be scum) play each other. And the top 2 in the south (Should be Town) play each other. If you are behind in standings, now is the time to take advantage of fact someone at the top has to lose

PokerFace · Post Post #392 (isolation #69) » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:03 am

Well if we only had 9 players we should have done it

Perhaps divisions should be Scummers and Tigers then

PokerFace · Post Post #393 (isolation #70) » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:06 am

The following is for your amusement. I have another fantasy team that I named Covid Sucks

before the season started

. This team has Derick Henry, Melvin Gordon, Schuster, Cole Beasley, NE Defense, Patrick Mahomes. Each of those have had games postponed for Covid. And now my Kicker that I have in all my leagues, Joey Sly, just got covid. FUCK!

PokerFace · Post Post #398 (isolation #71) » Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:54 am

Is Allen Healthy? He went down before their bye so I have not followed up on that since he not on any of my fantasy teams. If he out you obv sit him, otherwise panzer's advice sounds good

PokerFace · Post Post #400 (isolation #72) » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:23 am

Yay follow allen's health. If he plays then bench cooper, if he does not play, bench allen

PokerFace · Post Post #401 (isolation #73) » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:27 am

PokerFace wrote:The following is for your amusement. I have another fantasy team that I named Covid Sucks
before the season started
. This team has Derick Henry, Melvin Gordon, Schuster, Cole Beasley, NE Defense, Patrick Mahomes. Each of those have had games postponed for Covid. And now my Kicker that I have in all my leagues, Joey Sly, just got covid. FUCK!

And now emanual sanders is on the covid reserve list after i got him off waivers for my covid sucks team. I need to get 6ft away from that team of mine now!

PokerFace · Post Post #405 (isolation #74) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:59 am

I feel like a lot of people don't know how the IR feature works and how you can add both IR, Covid, and out players to it for any amount of time as long as they stay in those 3 conditions

PokerFace · Post Post #412 (isolation #75) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:51 pm

As some of you may already know I play many league on many sites. One of the leagues I am in has the bad standings based waivers system. Some guys with me in that league are software programmers. I used to program but it has been many years since I coded. Because I have swayed some of the league members into thinking the current waiver system is bad (Someone, not me, did tank so people be getting angry), we are developing a new waiver system that we have never seen before and I wouldn't mind us using it here too. Here is what we developed so far.

First we set the site to the default system of getting players based on Waiver Type: Continual rolling list. Whatever priority that system finds you as on Tuesday morning, becomes your weekly (C) value. Basically we write down what everyone's priority is based on the site settings at the start of the week. Then we factor that in with what you were every other Tuesday during the season. Add all your C's together and then rank them in order of lowest to highest total. Lowest gets final C rank of 1 and highest gets C rank of 12.

Then we look at the standings and get everyone's (S) value based on 1 for last, 2 for second to last, and so on. This is getting waiver priority value by standing for each week based on whatever the current standings really are.

Then its software code / use excel time. We look at raw overall points. And when I say points, I don't just mean in game points. I mean all points you got from players you started and players that sat on your bench. Add it all together over the course of the season to this point. Whoever has lowest raw points gets ranked as 1 and whoever has highest gets ranked as 12. This becomes your (R). R works as a deterrent to tanking. If you bench everyone to get a loss well your R will still be a controlled value unless you want to straight up drop all your players.

Then we take what you get for your C, S, and R and add it all together. This is your CSR. Then we divide that by 3 since its 3 values. We get the average this way. Now whoever gets the lowest avg from this has their waiver priority changed to 1 for the upcoming Wednesday, next lowest becomes 2, and so on up until we reach whoever is 12. What if there are ties you ask? Well S and R are basically being used to determine how good your team really is. How good your team is and how much you actually need personnel is already being factored in twice. While how often you are actual using your waiver priority based on continual rolling list, is being used once. So to balance things, the player with the lowest C gets the tie breaker.

What do you guys think of this system my friends and I are looking to use next season? I think its a good compromise for keeping our current standings system, incorporating a fix for tanking, and incorporating the true defaults of continual rolling list. I would greatly like to hear any criticism you guys have and or if you guys think this idea is so good we should try it here.

PokerFace · Post Post #415 (isolation #76) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:35 pm

I am content with us using FAAB here and i guys just tell you how it all works with my friends after we use it. Basically my friends and I test run this thing

PokerFace · Post Post #425 (isolation #77) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:48 pm

Yay everyone in league 2 has at least 2 losses now

PokerFace · Post Post #426 (isolation #78) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:12 pm

In post 401, PokerFace wrote:
PokerFace wrote:The following is for your amusement. I have another fantasy team that I named Covid Sucks
before the season started
. This team has Derick Henry, Melvin Gordon, Schuster, Cole Beasley, NE Defense, Patrick Mahomes. Each of those have had games postponed for Covid. And now my Kicker that I have in all my leagues, Joey Sly, just got covid. FUCK!
And now emanual sanders is on the covid reserve list after i got him off waivers for my covid sucks team. I need to get 6ft away from that team of mine now!

Can you guess who yahoo just told has been added to the covid ir list? Brandon Aiyuk from my Covid Sucks team is now on that list. I may rebrand that team Covid IR List at this point.
In general this team of mine is cursed. At least my team here is not having this kind of trouble

PokerFace · Post Post #428 (isolation #79) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:45 am

I could use an rb better than harris and peri for week 13 since cmc will be on bye then. If you got an rb and see something you like on my team let me know before the trade deadline

PokerFace · Post Post #434 (isolation #80) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:22 pm

BrightEyedFish wrote:I might be on a bit of a stumble.

Yay losing Dak hurt you a lot. CMC was only player I lost and recovered well. I think my 3 losses were just bad luck since I think 1 of them was against best score for that week and other ones my players just had off weeks. My team is solid outside of I likely need someone for cmc's bye in week 13.

I play you this week fish so I guess its battle of the ohio team fans

I might screenshot league 2 standings for those that care since Defender gave league 1 standings awhile ago. Reckoner probably does not like me, because I am responsible for 2 of his 3 losses. He is gunning for control of the division I currently lead on.

PokerFace · Post Post #435 (isolation #81) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:25 pm

PokerFace · Post Post #440 (isolation #82) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:50 pm

I have been wanting to reference this all year but I don't think Pooky has any panthers or made any questionable plays outside having 3 qbs at one point and wanting super flex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZOmNG-JcWI

PokerFace · Post Post #441 (isolation #83) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:53 pm

In post 439, PJ. wrote:3rd player on my side is jacobs lol

Is that Thelin in the purple as the first player they are giving up? Kinda cut off but figured I would ask to be sure

That trade looks bad

PokerFace · Post Post #444 (isolation #84) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:49 pm

I spelled that name so wrong. And he is on my team in league 2. I have been doing better with grammar and spelling errors this year but did not do well there

PokerFace · Post Post #452 (isolation #85) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:23 am

Yay i dont think there has been a good reason to bench henry all year outside of his bye week.

If we do 10 in a league again i would push for just 4 in the playoffs with no divisions since 6 getting in feels bad. 4 of 10 no divisions just makes more sence. 4 of 12 with divisions is fine too

PokerFace · Post Post #453 (isolation #86) » Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:29 am

I am in a total of 4 leagues across 2 sites. In other league I play the guy that has david montgomerywho is in concussion protocol and won't play monday. They have a crap ton of people on bye and will essentially have to ir monty since he is out and find a start off the waiver. So yesterday I picked up Ryan Nall (Bears next man up). Dropped him today so he is still on waivers and picked up Dee Jay Dallas.

Now I have a good rb to start for multiple weeks since Seattle can't keep healthy RBs and the rest of whats on the waiver is backups projected to get 4-5 points at best

Side note I said Seattle should go after Bell. Looking at how they have gone through healthy RBs like TP, I believe my statement was 100% warranted and it would have been very worth to keep Bell on my roster if he went to Seattle

PokerFace · Post Post #456 (isolation #87) » Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:21 am

In post 454, PJ. wrote:Multiple weeks seems like wishful thinking considering Carson and Hyde both almost played this week and Penny is returning somewhat soon.

Maybe, still dee jay has more value than Nall since chicago is on bye next week so montgomery should be free to play by week 12. So I think I kept the right guy while doing what could be seen as a dick move to help me win this week.

I'd rather have a guys that will play week 10 and maybe 11 than player that might get the start for chicago week 10

patterson could get the start for chicago but as he is listed as only a wr on that site that problem solves itself since he can't start at rb on fantasy with that listing

And my point about Seattle getting Bell still has value. Why the heck didn't Seattle go after him? hmm why didn't Bell consider Seattle? Both KC and Seattle are playoff bound. I admit KC has better superbowl chances but Seattle gives you better solo starter chances especially now. So I guess Bell must value that ring more than playing....actually given bells history of not playing, he probably does value that ring and the money more than anything. Bell like doing very little for big paydays CONFIRMED!

PokerFace · Post Post #458 (isolation #88) » Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:29 am

I didn't technially wait until sunday to pick my starting rb this week. I already have James Robinson and Aaron Jones in that league. So they are my 2 rbs. I had not picked a flex yet. So its either gonna be Dee Jay or Claypool for me at flex

Edit: Oh you mean my opponent waiting until Sunday. I guess he thought Monty would play since he got an extra day to recover from the concussion. Otherwise he did drop the ball on finding a starter, yes

PokerFace · Post Post #465 (isolation #89) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:28 pm

How did you calculate that race fan?

There are some suggestions I would like to add to Nero's suggestion list for next year

A. My opinion on IR spots.

I believe 3 IRs would have been fine since we had covid and we had no preseason. No preseason increased injuries and covid surely did too. I assume covid will be gone next year. I assume preseason will be back. If that is true, 1 IR spot is fine. 1 IR good for a regular season. But if we ever have no preseason again, add an ir spot. If we ever have covid or something similar again, add an IR spot. Minimum of 1 IR. Max of 3 if we get shananigans

B. We should add another bench spot, for a total of 16 roster spots.

I suggest this because let's think for a second. Who drafted first in the first round? Who drafted first in the last round? The same person drafts in both of those positions. So that person gets 8 first picks and 7 last picks in the current 15 rounds. Shouldn't they get the same number of firsts as lasts? As it stands drafting in positions 6-10 or 7-12, you kinda get screwed. Shouldn't it be equal for all players in terms of when you draft early and when you draft late? So let's add another bench to the roster and have a 16 round draft next time for this fairness.

C. If we got 10 players then 4 playoffs with no divisions. If we got 12 players than 4 playoffs with 3 divisions of 4.

We could also try 12 players with 6 in playoffs and 4 divisions of 3. I have heard good things about that but that may be changing too much so just what's by the C really

That's all I got

PokerFace · Post Post #466 (isolation #90) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:37 pm

16 roster spots may also help with fact we will be getting some players that opted out back next year. No telling how well those guys have taken care of their bodies with lack of gyms in covid. So 16 may balance well with the new players and how in shape they have kept. And since this does not effect every player since not everyone opted out, I think this is a better way to balance than to add an ir spot

PokerFace · Post Post #469 (isolation #91) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:08 pm

In post 467, Nero Cain wrote:the whole point of snake is so it's relatively fair. I mean, if we really wanted "fair" we'd just go full auction but some wouldn't want that and thats fine.

I like snake and it is fair BUT with an odd number of rounds, its not fair enough. Need an even number of rounds so 16 on roster I suggest

PokerFace · Post Post #471 (isolation #92) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:24 pm

Ok thanks I will run the simulations and post results after this week concludes

PokerFace · Post Post #475 (isolation #93) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:27 am

Can you update who owns what team in the opening post or something so that I know who is what in those odds for L1?

PokerFace · Post Post #477 (isolation #94) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:52 pm

The opening post has who is what team for league 2 but it still needs info for league one. I can tell what teams belong to Khan, Panzer, Yiley, Aronis, Tally, Sharon, Rhinox, and KMD. Can't tell what teams belong to racefan, Peg, Dominator, and D3f

Here is league 2 after 11 weeks

This thanksgiving week we got a treat. The 2 division leaders that have been 1-2 most of the season finally play each other. Both are getting byes but who will be seed 1?

PokerFace · Post Post #481 (isolation #95) » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:33 am

So Rolling Thunder, Coggers, #72 is eligible, Men Without Helmets from the earlier listings

Hopefully Thielen plays this week. I think I can still hang with Nero without Thielen especially if Golladay is out and Jones is Detroit number 1. Projections currently favor me by a little less than 2 points

PokerFace · Post Post #483 (isolation #96) » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:09 pm

Yay two of my losses occurred on weeks where my team shit a brick. And had another loss because I played top scorer that week and my team did well but not well enough

Recent reports suggest Golladay is not playing so I will be starting Jones since I can't guarantee Thielen will be negative and off the covid list by the time Jones suits up on Thursday. Why must lions always play Thanksgiving? Tradition? There are some traditions that need reconsidered. They should look into other teams being there in future years. Cowboys and Lions won't make it far this year. Pitt vs Baltimore is fine. I won't watch it because I am browns fan but those teams are trending much better than Dallas and Lions this year

PokerFace · Post Post #486 (isolation #97) » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:48 pm

Its cool, I was able to figure out what you meant based on the other listings

Covid has been effecting the ravens a lot and moved the thursday evening game to sunday. Ravens were scheduled to play this thursday against pit and next thursday against dallas. So they were scheduled to get back to back thursday evening games. TB has gotten a large number of prime time appearances this year. I understand you want to have the trending teams be in primetime, but you shouldn't do it to the point that any one team is always in prime time

I am of the opinion that if you want high ratings then just have the teams play at times that make sense for them based on the timezone the teams in the game are from and based on location of where they are playing. For example, let's say its not 2020. Let's say its far from covid times and we have a game between the Rams and the Seahawks in London. Should that game be on at 6am ish for the west coast people while at 1?pm in London? I think the game should occur at 8pm in London which is roughly 3or4pm for the east coast people and 12or1pm for the west coast. Now everyone can watch the game and not have to wake up at a craptacular time where very few would normally watch the game.

PokerFace · Post Post #487 (isolation #98) » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:15 pm

In post 484, Kilgamayan wrote:Wednesday morning is always amusing due to mentally earmarking a handful of defenses to stream on Tuesday and then waking up to find that literally all of them have been waiver claimed.

(Thankfully that won't be a problem for Week 13 and, if I get that far, Week 14)

I picked up miami defense I think 2 weeks ago because their schedule is pretty darn good moving forward. Only time its awful is week 14 against the chiefs, but with a bye already secure, I won't be playing week 14 so I have no worries here. Maybe I get someone for week 16 since LV could be bad, but other than that I have been running just miami's defense on my roster for a couple weeks now and have no desire to change. Can easily drop them week 16 for someone else then

PokerFace · Post Post #490 (isolation #99) » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:24 pm

Good decision on your part. Browns play Jags. Miami plays Jets. I suspect both our defenses will do well this week.

Golladay has gone from Questionable to out. Rolling with Marvin Jones Jr no doubt. Hopkins has gone in questionable. I suspect he will play but if something changes I will know more about Theilin playing later in the week and can sub in Theilin or Corey Davis if necessary. The years I have done well on MS have been years where I have had very good wide receivers. My running back core has been unhealthy and likely would have caused me to lose more games if I didn't get Robinson of the jags just before the season and davis of the panthers when cmc went down. I wish CMC and Bell had turned out well for me, but I have been fine otherwise so not really bothered by it

PokerFace · Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:30 pm

No one seems to want to say yay or neh about A and B here

In post 465, PokerFace wrote:How did you calculate that race fan?

There are some suggestions I would like to add to Nero's suggestion list for next year

A. My opinion on IR spots.

I believe 3 IRs would have been fine since we had covid and we had no preseason. No preseason increased injuries and covid surely did too. I assume covid will be gone next year. I assume preseason will be back. If that is true, 1 IR spot is fine. 1 IR good for a regular season. But if we ever have no preseason again, add an ir spot. If we ever have covid or something similar again, add an IR spot. Minimum of 1 IR. Max of 3 if we get shananigans

B. We should add another bench spot, for a total of 16 roster spots.

I suggest this because let's think for a second. Who drafted first in the first round? Who drafted first in the last round? The same person drafts in both of those positions. So that person gets 8 first picks and 7 last picks in the current 15 rounds. Shouldn't they get the same number of firsts as lasts? As it stands drafting in positions 6-10 or 7-12, you kinda get screwed. Shouldn't it be equal for all players in terms of when you draft early and when you draft late? So let's add another bench to the roster and have a 16 round draft next time for this fairness.

C. If we got 10 players then 4 playoffs with no divisions. If we got 12 players than 4 playoffs with 3 divisions of 4.

We could also try 12 players with 6 in playoffs and 4 divisions of 3. I have heard good things about that but that may be changing too much so just what's by the C really

That's all I got

Nero only person to give some feedback

PokerFace · Post Post #494 (isolation #101) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:26 am

In post 493, D3f3nd3r wrote:
The main reason L2 is using 6 is to normalize the schedule, I’m pretty sure.
A 13 week regular season with two divisions of five can be two games against each divisional opponent and one game against each team from the other division. Then playoffs weeks 14-16 and we’re good.

That is true, I just think 6 people might be too many. Byes might not be something we really want. Also if we end the season sooner and lock the playoffs at 6 people is that truly better for overall fun in comparison to locking it later at 4? Does more people in the playoffs really increase your chances of winning?

At start of week 14, only 6 players will still have a chance at winning it all in league 2. I want to know how many people are still alive in league 1 at the start of week 14. Is that more or less than 6?

-Currently at start of week 12 we have 9 out of 10 people still alive in ms league 2. 2 players have clinched playoffs
-Currently at the start of week 12 in one of my non ms leagues we have 10 out of 10 players still alive in a no divisions 4 player playoff format. Only 1 player has clinched playoffs
-Currently at the start of week 12 in one of my non ms leagues we have 10 out of 12 alive in a 6 of 12 make it in format. I believe only 2 players have cliched. Can't use the tool D3f gave me here since its an espn league but pretty sure only 2 have clinched and yes this is a 4 divisions of 3 format that I have never been in before so not sure how I feel about it yet but i will list what I believe its data is here since I find it relevant.

My 4th league is an 8 player league where 4 of 8 make it in. Don't think data on this is relevant to how 10 and 12 player leagues should be handled. It is a yahoo league with no divisions, but again I don't think its data is relevant given 8 players. 8 players where everyone plays everyone twice should have 4 in playoffs. I think everyone can agree with that.

Did people's chances change much for League 1 odds now that week 11 is complete? How many still alive now? is that more or less than 10? How many clinched now? Is it more or less than 2?

PokerFace · Post Post #496 (isolation #102) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:45 am

So currently at start of week 12 we have 10 of 12 still alive in ms league 1 with 1 player clinched.

Current data suggests 4 of 10 no divisions has better odds than 6 of 10 with 2 divisions since you have 10 vs 9 alive and 1/4 vs 2/6 in clinched comparisons. 1/4 is less than 2/6 or 1/3 so that means you have 3/4 or 75% unclinched vs 66% unclinched. So ms league 2 is losing the odds comparisons by both the clinching and players alive metrics

Current data suggests 4 of 12 with 3 divisions of 4 has better odds with 4 divisions of 3. Both leagues have an equal number of players still alive at 10. My non-ms league has 2/6 or 1/3 clinched while ms league 1 has 1/4 clinched. So ms league 1 is winning the odds comparison by only the clinching metrics.

Thank you for giving the updated data D3f

PokerFace · Post Post #497 (isolation #103) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:08 am

In post 486, PokerFace wrote:Its cool, I was able to figure out what you meant based on the other listings

Covid has been effecting the ravens a lot and moved the thursday evening game to sunday. Ravens were scheduled to play this thursday against pit and next thursday against dallas. So they were scheduled to get back to back thursday evening games. TB has gotten a large number of prime time appearances this year. I understand you want to have the trending teams be in primetime, but you shouldn't do it to the point that any one team is always in prime time

I am of the opinion that if you want high ratings then just have the teams play at times that make sense for them based on the timezone the teams in the game are from and based on location of where they are playing. For example, let's say its not 2020. Let's say its far from covid times and we have a game between the Rams and the Seahawks in London. Should that game be on at 6am ish for the west coast people while at 1?pm in London? I think the game should occur at 8pm in London which is roughly 3or4pm for the east coast people and 12or1pm for the west coast. Now everyone can watch the game and not have to wake up at a craptacular time where very few would normally watch the game.

I would also appreciate people's feedback on my idea of when games should be played. Both texas teams and 2 nfc east teams playing today feels off too

PokerFace · Post Post #498 (isolation #104) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:56 pm

Well shit. I was projected by about 2 early in week. Then 7 this morning, but thanks to mclaurin, watson, and gibson i am now projected to lose by about 25. And that would be worse if nero started cooper too. Jones did not do much for me at all

PokerFace · Post Post #500 (isolation #105) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:01 pm

The health status of theilin and hopkins were primary reasons i made that choice. Any points better than 0. Would make the same choice but would have liked more than i got out of him

PokerFace · Post Post #502 (isolation #106) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:11 pm

Oh i think we both made the right choices i just wish i had a better option and you did not

PokerFace · Post Post #504 (isolation #107) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:46 pm

Yay but he only caught 6 of those. I still back my decision. Because hypothetically let's say Theilin and Hopkins both don't play this week. Then I only got 3 receivers that are playing this week. Jones, Diggs, and Corey Davis. So starting Jones was not just something I wanted to do, I had to do it in case that scenario arises. Yes I currently have an empty spot on my roster, but since CMC has not been fully declared out yet, I would have to move him off IR and into my roster before I picked someone else up if I wanted to play someone else today. So really Jones was my only option. I just thought it would work better for me

Our QBs and kickers are roughly the same. I have better receiving core and defense. You have better running backs and tight end. We are evenly matched but things not looking good for me now

PokerFace · Post Post #506 (isolation #108) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:47 am

Hopkins is out of questionable and into the game. Theilin is still out with Covid. There was talk of it being a false positive but looking at how he is still on that list, I can't play him. So I am generally ok with having started jones given his projections compared to everyone on waivers

PokerFace · Post Post #507 (isolation #109) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:49 am

Given how much they have moved the game and how many peoplee on both teams have turned positive I would advice everyone to avoid starting Pitt and Baltimore players this week. Game is in danger of being canceled out right

PokerFace · Post Post #510 (isolation #110) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:36 pm

Yay things could have been worse for me. Your victory means that weeks 13 and 14 do not matter to us as I am locked into 2nd and you are locked into 1st. I missed out on 1st seed but its almost like having 2 bye weeks now

PokerFace · Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:15 am

When did Aronis take over Injured Reserve? I thought the way was doing it. Aronis is in league 1.

The possibility of teams with losing records making it in feels off. Like there's an NFC east in ms League 2. This may be the biggest reason against 6 spots in the playoffs

Gonna wait until its official before I post odds and stuff. Also A friend of mine is in a weird 2 division 12 teams where 6 make it in league. Yes schedules are obviously weird in it. Gonna include data on this league into our discussion after this week too since it might have some value.

PokerFace · Post Post #520 (isolation #112) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:45 pm

Yes. Btw i warned you all to avoid pitt and baltimore players. The game is now wednesday. I believe my warning to be completely warranted. Lets see if they get to the outright cancel it point. How do you guys want to honorably handle things if that happens? I have already accepted my loss to nero and pit vs ravens happening wont change it i dont think. So how do we want to handle things if things reach that point in other fantasy games?

PokerFace · Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:38 pm

Game was played. Will gets odds of all the leagues for comparisons up here by eod. Can D3f or someone else post the L1 odds since I can not get them? Thanks

PokerFace · Post Post #525 (isolation #114) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:24 am

As this week doesn't matter to me I will not be getting new players from waivers tomorrow. Give all those with actually need to stay alive a chance. There actually isn't anyone I want, and I may need to drop some players since Ertz and swift should get healthy this week. I will not be benching all the players against Rob/Kilgamayan. I will be playing fair with my ideal projected lineup and if I win, I win. If I lose, I lose. I am 2nd and nothing this week or next can change that

PokerFace · Post Post #528 (isolation #115) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:36 am

I forget what the star and cross mean and cant look it up while at work. Can you look into that please?

Also it appears kc vs denver is in primetime and denver might not have a decent covidless qb again so please nfl shift something else into the sunday evening slot. No one wants that epic beatdown in primetime. It wont be close by a long shot. Put something else on my tv please!

PokerFace · Post Post #530 (isolation #116) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:40 am

Thanks. I should be able to give updated math and odds on what type of 10 and 12 player leagues give best odds when i get off work

PokerFace · Post Post #531 (isolation #117) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:42 pm

Looks like I will need more info from you defender as I don't know players schedules to figure out true odds on who can actually make it in

So ms league 1 has 12 teams with 3 divisions of 4 and 4 making the playoffs. 2 have playoffs clinched so 1/2 unclinched and D3f needs to use the odds thing to get info
Friends league 1 has 12 teams with 2 divisions of 6 where 6 make it to the playoffs. 2 have playoffs clinched so 2/3 unclinched while 8 teams still alive
My Other league 1 has 12 teams with 4 divisions of 3 where 6 make it into playoffs. Working on calculating this by hand since its not a yahoo league

Results still being calculated...

Ms league 2 has 10 teams with 2 divisions of 5 and 6 making the playoffs. 2 have playoffs clinched so 2/3 unclinched. 8 teams are still alive
Other league 2 has 10 teams with no divisions and 4 making the playoffs. 2 have playoffs clinched so 1/2 unclinched. 9 teams are still alive

So the metrics are split at the moment after ms league 2 previously being behind in both metrics

PokerFace · Post Post #532 (isolation #118) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:46 pm

In post 525, PokerFace wrote:As this week doesn't matter to me I will not be getting new players from waivers tomorrow. Give all those with actually need to stay alive a chance. There actually isn't anyone I want, and I may need to drop some players since Ertz and swift should get healthy this week. I will not be benching all the players against Rob/Kilgamayan. I will be playing fair with my ideal projected lineup and if I win, I win. If I lose, I lose. I am 2nd and nothing this week or next can change that

I might mix up some players since certain players got favorable matchups and others don't

PokerFace · Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:40 pm

Yay I have no direct desire to knock Rob/Kilgamayan out. Fantasy football can be a little random and Rob/Kilgamayan doesn't have a high points for. Not really easy to say he can ruin me in playoffs. Joe's team has about the same number of points for as nero's and mine. So if Nero wants to take it upon himself to try to knock Joe out, he can. But nero might not be able to do that if certain other matchups still allow Joe to lose and get in. This is another reason why I am just having an even heads up matchup against Rob/Kilgamayan. There is no guaranteed way to knock Rob/Kilgamayan out and I don't think I need to. So playing him in a even scenario is best way to give him a fair chance at playoffs and give other players a fair chance. Rob will either win because he deserves to or he will lose because he deserves to. This week doesn't matter to me. I can't get a better seed and can't really effect my next matchup since week 14 doesn't matter to me either. I am really playing for nothing and would just like a time machine to week 15. So I am making things fair best I can for those week 13 actually matters to. Good luck to all those with playoff hopes alive

PokerFace · Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:49 pm

In post 535, Nero Cain wrote:RE tie breaker: I am given a choice between "higher seed wins" and "best regular season record vs opponent" but the fist seems like a much more fair option. The later is prob more "nfl like" thoughWe should maybe put it to a vote unless everyone already likes "higher seed wins"

In post 537, Nero Cain wrote:oh your right, in that case "best regular season record vs opponent" is prob the right one then, yes?

I would lean toward higher seed or seasonal points/record since timing and scoring of game can be a little random week to week while looking at things from a whole standpoint likely better decides which team is better. After all are you truly playing your opponent in fantasy football or are you playing the true nfl matchups with the true players? You are doing the second one in my book

PokerFace · Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:24 am

Oh I know that's what you were doing. Wasn't sure you knew Joe was probably gonna make it in regardless of your actions. I am doing pretty much what you are doing just not even caring enough to lulzly trash talk

PokerFace · Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:28 am

Yep I would tend to agree. The best teams are in our top 6 currently. The only team that is likely to fall from contention is whoever loses between Reck and Fish since that will result in a direct lesser position for yourself and a greater position for your opponent in terms of playoffs. If I were the NFL and Fantasy games were actually televised, I would shift Fish vs Reck to primetime since things matter the most there

PokerFace · Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:32 am

In post 528, PokerFace wrote:I forget what the star and cross mean and cant look it up while at work. Can you look into that please?

Also it appears kc vs denver is in primetime and denver might not have a decent covidless qb again so please nfl shift something else into the sunday evening slot. No one wants that epic beatdown in primetime. It wont be close by a long shot. Put something else on my tv please!

Based on schedules and what is not already in a primetime slot I would shift LAR vs ARI to primetime. West coast game with good timeslot for west coast people and there are playoff hopes and division position on the line. This shifting probably won't be done since SF is also playing in Arizona this week due to covid and stadium issues.

PokerFace · Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:35 am

In post 540, PokerFace wrote:
In post 535, Nero Cain wrote:RE tie breaker: I am given a choice between "higher seed wins" and "best regular season record vs opponent" but the fist seems like a much more fair option. The later is prob more "nfl like" thoughWe should maybe put it to a vote unless everyone already likes "higher seed wins"

In post 537, Nero Cain wrote:oh your right, in that case "best regular season record vs opponent" is prob the right one then, yes?
I would lean toward higher seed or seasonal points/record since timing and scoring of game can be a little random week to week while looking at things from a whole standpoint likely better decides which team is better. After all are you truly playing your opponent in fantasy football or are you playing the true nfl matchups with the true players? You are doing the second one in my book

In post 536, D3f3nd3r wrote:Keep in mind that that's only the exact tiebreaker for playoff matches, like if a match ended up being 97.32 to 97.32.

actually I could be swayed either way since it is about the headsup match up. there's just a good chance you have played that person twice and won 1 and lost 1

PokerFace · Post Post #550 (isolation #125) » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:05 am

Here is how I some up week 13...

Is this the real life, is this just Fantasy. Stay in inside, Covid sucks in the reality! Open your eyes, look up to the skies and see. I'm stuck in seed 2, I need no sympathy. Because I'm easy come, easy go. Little high, little low. Anyway the winds blows, doesn't really matter to me, to me. Mafia, just killed a man. Put a gun against his head, pulled the trigger now he's dead. Mafia, day has just begun, but now I've gone and voted first in lylo. Mafia ooooh. Didn't mean to make the town cry. If I lurk and am not here tomorrow, carry on carry on. Nothing really matters. Too late, my time has come. Sends shivers down my spine. Its snowing in Cleveland all the time. Have you seen the weather we have had? 3 games where the winds ruined everything. This shit has got to go. Let's leave it all behind and face the truth. MAFIA! Anyway the wind blows. I don't want to die, sometimes wish I'm never scum at all...

I see a little silhouetto of a fan, scalamoush, scalamoush, what's that doing in the stands? 2020 has covid, very very frightening me. Lylo, mylo, lylo, mylo. Lylo, Mylo, Figero, Magnifico! I'm just a survivor, no one wants to play as me. He's just a survivor in a poorly designed setup, spare him his life from this monstrosity. Easy come easy go, will you let me go? Bismilah! No we will not let you go, vote him now! Bismilah! We will not let you go, vote him now! Bismilah! We will not let you go, vote him now! We don't believe the claim, Vote him now, VOTE HIM NOW! GO GO GO GO GO GO GO! Oh Mafia, Mafia, Mafia voted now. Moderater has a death scene set aside for me. For me, for me, FOR ME!

!Proceed to bang your head and rock out!

So you think you can fake claim and spit in my eye. So you think you can vote me and leave me to die! Oh baby, can't do this to me baby. Just want to go outside, Covid get right out of here!! Nothing really matters, anyone can see. Nothing really matters, Nothing really matters to me.....Anyway the hammer drops...

PokerFace · Post Post #553 (isolation #126) » Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:30 am

So ms league 1 has 12 teams with 3 divisions of 4 and 4 making the playoffs. 2 have playoffs clinched so 1/2 unclinched and 9 still alive
Friends league 1 has 12 teams with 2 divisions of 6 where 6 make it to the playoffs. 2 have playoffs clinched so 2/3 unclinched while 8 teams still alive
My 2nd league has 12 teams with 4 divisions of 3 where 6 make it into playoffs. 3 have playoffs clinched so 1/2 unclinched with 8 teams alive

Ms league 1 appears to be in top 2 has they split metrics with another league

Ms league 2 has 10 teams with 2 divisions of 5 and 6 making the playoffs. 2 have playoffs clinched so 2/3 unclinched. 8 teams are still alive
My 3rd League has 10 teams with no divisions and 4 making the playoffs. 2 have playoffs clinched so 1/2 unclinched. 9 teams are still alive

So the metrics are split at the moment after ms league 2 previously being behind in both metrics

So which is more important metric? How much unclinched or how many still alive? I lean toward number alive being most important. So ms league 2 is still behind. Ms league 1 still looks good as it is leading in the more important metric

PokerFace · Post Post #555 (isolation #127) » Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:05 am

Yay there has been a couple of teams with off and on rb health. 2 of them play each other this week. Wrs may be more important in our league because you start 3 but rbs are more consistant point makers so its a good balance

Finally did the math. Updating last post shortly but basically ms league 1 is doing good. Ms League 2 isnt

PokerFace · Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:18 am

Fish did that on Allen Robinson's bye week. I tried to get him too but you were before me in the process. Reck did something equally questionable with Waller, but I did get Waller.

Kind of ironic they play each other now and will both be without those tide turning players for what might be the last week alive for one of them

PokerFace · Post Post #575 (isolation #129) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:49 pm

Its basically a question of does t-bone win or not. If he does he will push fish out. If he does not, the playoffs teams won't change just the seeding order.

Its looking like I will have highest overall points this week in our league and I will get effectively nothing new out of it.

PokerFace · Post Post #576 (isolation #130) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:04 pm

If projections hold then it will be Joe vs rob with winner playing me. And Reck vs T-bone with winner playing Nero. Not sure who would win in Joe vs Rob. I think Reck would beat T-bone

If I were to bench my monday players now I would lose and it would be Joe vs t-bone with winner getting me. And Bellhops vs Reck with winner getting Nero. I kinda feel like t-bone has the weakest team in the playoffs so this should lead to Joe vs Me and Nero vs ? for round 2 of the playoffs.

I could throw at this point, but I don't think that gains me anything. Nero could still beat Joe since he has players that play tuesday. I think the only way I'd gain something would be if I played winner of Reck vs T-bone since I beat Reck twice during the year and feel t-bone has weakest team. Since I can't guarantee Rob and Joe are seeds 4 and 5, guess I will keep doing what I am already doing. More honorable not to throw anyway

PokerFace · Post Post #582 (isolation #131) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:35 pm

I started Hines over Harris because of Houston's defense. The 2 of them got virtually same points so no big deal here. I started Allen over Herbert because patriots got history of destroying rookie qbs. Seems I was right to avoid Herbert. I am not a bills fan, but figured Allen and Diggs would be good this year so am glad I drafted them and went for the double points when they hook up.

Jones and Davis both went off this week. Why couldn't they do that last week when I needed better wr play? I could have already won this week subbing in one of them for hopkins, but I should still win anyway

PokerFace · Post Post #584 (isolation #132) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:45 pm

I don't think Bills beat 49ers without Allen.

PokerFace · Post Post #586 (isolation #133) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:50 pm

In post 585, Nero Cain wrote:If I beat Joe and Poker beats Rob that means Bone and Reck (since they are both winning) will be 3rd and 4th seeds and Rob and Joe will be 5th and 6th seeds @ 6-7.

So reck would be 3, bone would be 4, joe would be 5 and rob would be 6...

That would mean you would play either Joe or bone and you beat both of them during the year.

And I would play Reck or Rob and I would have beaten them whenever I played them during the year.

This sounds pretty good to me. Let's win Nero! Let's do it!

PokerFace · Post Post #588 (isolation #134) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:54 pm

Nero Cain wrote:maybe I should tank so Joe will still be #3 and I'll face the winner of Rob vs. Bone/Reck instead of the winner of Rob/Joe.

joking....mostly

You won't get rob or joe. You will get bone or joe as I outlined. And that would be good for you. And I would get Reck or rob. Also good!

Let's be the top seeds we should be and win, Nero. Let's get what benefits us both!

PokerFace · Post Post #590 (isolation #135) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:00 pm

I am quite glad Locke was cleared to play. Den vs KC is actually being entertaining. I am okay with it being on my TV

PokerFace · Post Post #593 (isolation #136) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:12 pm

Huh? I thought 3 played 6 and 4 played 5. Yahoo doesn't reseed. So how does 3 play 4 and 5 play 6 as you suggest?

PokerFace · Post Post #596 (isolation #137) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:28 pm

Yay if there is reseeding then I'd be locked into playing Reck if he wins or I'd play whoever was higher of who won. I am fine with playing Reck 3 times a year if it happens.

If there is reseeding you would be locked into playing the 6th seed if it won or you'd play lowest seed of those remaining.

Allowing reseeding makes it less likely we can try to use this week to effect who we play in week 15. If its on I am absolutely keeping doing what I am doing. And if its off, I am keeping doing what I am already doing too

PokerFace · Post Post #598 (isolation #138) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:41 pm

Not sure. I guess its more fair to have reseeding since that's how the nfl works.

I didn't know yahoo had a reseed feature. When did you turn it on? Has it always been on? You should do whatever is the default or whatever we did last time we had 6 in playoffs though I honestly don't remember if we did reseed or not last time.

If reseeding is enabled then all our talking about should we win or lose matters less than it did before. Reseeding means we have way less control over who we play so playing to best our ability is only way to go as its more fair and who really ever "wants" to lose?

PokerFace · Post Post #602 (isolation #139) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:02 pm

Reseeding is probably more fair though I am not a fan of us changing settings mid way through a season. Though we did do that already with IR's and covid so meh, I would be good with either.

If we don't reseed I play Reck or Rob. If we do reseed I think I play Reck or Joe. I don't think T-bone will beat whoever he plays. Not sure how I feel

The real question Nero is how do you feel about playing Rob or Joe? You can't play Reck since he will be 3rd seed and my opponent if he wins in either scenario. And I don't think T-bone is gonna win. So do you want reseed with Rob or Joe? Or do you want no reseed and just play Joe?

PokerFace · Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:15 am

Well opinions so far are no care with a skew toward reseeding being more fair. Have you PMed Reck, Joe, and T-bone to comment?

PokerFace · Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:31 am

I think reseeding may be a new to yahoo feature. They got little adds/infos about it on the league pages. We can decide before next thursday since there is a game then, I think

PokerFace · Post Post #608 (isolation #142) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:31 pm

Yay I will be sweating cooper too in another league. I am clinched in 3 of my 4 leagues and will miss playoffs in the 4th if cooper gets too much.

Bills Mafia looking real nice tonight. Really wish I had actually been playing for something this week. I might get top score in the league overall at end of regular season despite being locked into seed 2

PokerFace · Post Post #610 (isolation #143) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:34 pm

Every inch of my body feels bad saying this. Go Ravens!

PokerFace · Post Post #611 (isolation #144) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:26 pm

Should be noted though that cooper getting his projection means Joe loses, but that doesn't mean I lose my other league. Different settings and I am up by 17 there and he is projected to get about 9

PokerFace · Post Post #614 (isolation #145) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:22 pm

I apologize for my jokes the other day. I never had any intention in throwing and I did not throw. If any of my comments contributed to Nero's actions I am sorry and will accept responsibility for my actions.

Nero is seed 1 with second highest regular season score and with weakest overall schedule, 10th hardest
I am seed 2 with highest overall score and 5th hardest schedule
Joe/Caboose is seed 3 with 3rd highest overall points and had hardest overall schedule of regular season
Reck is seed 4 and 6th hardest schedule
Tbone is seed 5 and 2nd weakest schedule, 9th hardest
Rob is seed 6 and 3rd hardest schedule

I will probably play Joe or Reck or T-bone assuming we reseed. Or I get Joe or Rob if we don't reseed

Nero will probably play Reck or Rob or Tbone assuming we reseed. Or just Reck or tbone if we don't reseed

PokerFace · Post Post #616 (isolation #146) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:38 pm

Well i feel bad suggesting it since you did do it. I don't like having contributed in anyway.

I am not angry with you nero and I don't think you should be punished for benching Cooper. You did what you had opportunity to do and people in nfl sometimes do same. Colts threw when they could have had a perfect in the regular season sometime ago. I played fairly as I thought it would be more fair to all those still trying hard. I am just disappointed in you nero and hope whoever plays you in the playoffs defeats you so that you get 4th overall and don't make it to league 1 next year

PokerFace · Post Post #619 (isolation #147) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:15 pm

Divisional record only really effects division. I believe we play for seeding to be based on overall record and points. In past people have won a division and been the 4th seed while someone else in their division was a higher seed because they were better team but you were better in division.

I get why you did what you did nero. There was strategic advantage to losing and letting Joe win because you can't play Joe week 15 whether we reseed or not. I did what I did because I felt it was right to do and felt it really wouldn't get me anything if I did throw the game. I also felt that throwing would be unfair to other people trying to get into playoffs and playing fairly was right thing to do for everyone.

PokerFace · Post Post #620 (isolation #148) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:18 pm

I clinched 3 of my 4 leagues. Did not clinch the 4th league and did not lose it either so this is fine. I win and I am in, in that league next week.

I'll post odds when things are official. If 7 people are still alive in ms league 1 then I think that will be good. Same can be said about my other 10 person league. But if its 6 people vs 6 people or 5 vs 6 then I feel that says something for fairness or how good/bad my other leagues might actually be setup in comparison to us

PokerFace · Post Post #621 (isolation #149) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:47 pm

I pmed Reck and t-bone since they had not weighed in on the reseeding thing yet. Setting it to reseed is fine for now since that is currently leading in our discussion I believe

PokerFace · Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:27 pm

xRECKONERx wrote:wait, i'm not sure i fully understand. you would only need to reseed if 1 & 2 were on the same side of the bracket. they are not?

In Nfl when there was 6 teams in playoffs before if the 6 seed won in round 1 of the playoffs they would reseed so that the number 1 seed would play the number 6 seed for round 2 of the playoffs.

If reseeding is not done then it is possible for the 1 seed to play the 4 seed in the playoffs second round while the 2 seed plays the 6 seed in that same round

Its basically a question of do we want the bracket to be a tournament like march madness or setup the way nfl does it so highest seed alive always plays lowest seed. Yahoo has always done a tournament style before but it looks like they now have a new feature to do things more like the nfl

PokerFace · Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:46 pm

The question to reseed or not is mute if Joe/Wagons wins in round 1. If he wins he will play me in round 2 regardless of whether we reseed or not. Its basically a question of do we want to allow Rob to play me if he beats Joe. I don't care either way. Getting to playoff is all I care about in fantasy since who you play and when can change in a week since your players can be champs one week and chumps the next. Making playoffs is an achievement decided by many weeks of success while making round 2 or final round of playoffs depends all on 1 week and not 13 or 14 of them.

I checked my odds calculator for my 10 person league 3 teams are clinched and 7 teams are technically alive though 7th place does technically have to win and get 165 more points then the 5th place to get in. With the current schedule the 4th place team (me) is playing the 5th place team. So its impossible for us both to lose. So 7th has to beat 10th place team with current schedule and win by a lot. So yes 7 is possible but with the need to get a win and win by 150 points more than 5th place, should 5th win, it seems unlikely. If 4th wins, then they will need 205 more points than I get next week. So odds of that are worse.

I had to run many iteration for it to get a 0.01 iterations for team 7 as things currently are. So yes its possible 7th place could still get in, but its very unlikely so take that as you will. If we did not have divisions and had an extra week before we went into a 4 team playoff in ms league 2, I think fish would still be alive as both Joe and Reck would not be clinched as 3 and 4 in that situation. Pending schedule and other factors Fish could actually have a much better chance than 7th in my other league since fish could get one of two spots as apposed to only 1 spot that actually is still in play in my other 10 team league. So how does MS league 1 look?

PokerFace · Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:10 pm

4 teams made it in from north division and 2 made it in from south. So I am happy I led the tougher division. Pooky the only team not to make it into playoffs from the north is 8th place at the moment while places 7, 9, 10 are all in the south. 2, 3, 4, 5 are all north teams. 1 and 6 are south. Updating schedule info in earlier post in a moment

PokerFace · Post Post #638 (isolation #153) » Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:26 am

D3f3nd3r wrote:
In post 631, Nero Cain wrote:how so?
Two teams have clinched playoffs, two are 8-5, three are 7-6, and all five of them have a relatively okay chance at making the playoffs...

Basically -
If I win I’m in regardless of what else happens
If PJ wins he’s in regardless of what else happens
If neither PJ nor I win, Tally is in
And all four of me/PJ/PEG/Yiley are within 50 points of each other (with me/PEG/Yiley even closer), so the WC race is going to be something between any of me/PJ that lose and any of PEG/Yiley that win

So 2 clinched and 7 still alive? I would like to see the odds in the chaos and see who plays who next week please

Something is telling me, you should not have told Tally she had a chance. Did she go beast mode on you guys in recent weeks?

PokerFace · Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:20 pm

Maybe panzer is referring to you throwing and panzer not liking that?

Based on the discussion it sounds like reseeding is the more nfl like way, and no one cares much, so I guess we use it.

PokerFace · Post Post #650 (isolation #155) » Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:35 am

This is a good week for me to truly have a bye. Josh allen has a tough matchup. Herbert stank last week. Health of 3 of my rbs is questionable atm. Miami defense has the chiefs. This is good time for nothing to matter to me

PokerFace · Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:02 am

CMC has been out most of the year. Yes this comment comes from a CMC owner, but in general doing well despite your #1 pick being mostly unusable is an achievement.

PokerFace · Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:33 am

Ok maybe its not a big thing this year then to lose an early pick. Hopkins has not been too good but i still glad i have him

But I did get what defender meant. CMC being out again meant Davis was played over akers and akers was a beast thursday. Davis should still do well against denver as will Robby Anderson. The other 2 descent panther receivers have covid so Robby is gonna get all the work this week. And davis should get more work too just by air game getting slowed down. So I see multiple reasons why the davis owner gave him the nod especially since rams rbs have been in a committee of who gets the hot hand and henderson had that most of year on rams.

PokerFace · Post Post #665 (isolation #158) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:11 am

Adams is doing great but Lazard and Tonyan have done descent. MVS not bad either. Many said GB should have drafted a WR. I say they should have gone defense over Love. Their receiver core not looking bad at the moment. Good thing they didn't get fuller in a trade with his suspension

PokerFace · Post Post #671 (isolation #159) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:08 pm

Ravens in primetime 3 weeks in a row. Same can practically be said for Pitt. Bills get back to back primetimes. Even if its different days I count it. This was a good week for me to have a bye as i did poorly. Hopefully bills mafia comes through tonight. If I play Joe next week, it may come down to him winning in fantasy or Bills winning next week. It would be hard to get both.

PokerFace · Post Post #678 (isolation #160) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:47 am

In the past with our 12 person leagues with 3 divisions of 4, I believe division stand points didn't matter in seeding. It was possible for seeds 1 and 2 to be in the same division.

I doubt things will change at this point, but I will give update of League 2 current standings once its official tomorrow

PokerFace · Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:26 pm

Then this is fine

Seed 3 and 4, Joe and Reck win. Reseed conversation was mute as the top seeds win. Nero's choice to lose to Joe ultimately has led to him playing Reckoner instead. I am pro Reckoner now. Go Reck I want you in that Championship against me!

PokerFace · Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:30 pm

Also thanks to Covid pushing the Was vs Pit game to a monday, where it was only game on so I count that as primetime, that means we got Steelers 4 weeks in a row in primetime. SMH

PokerFace · Tue Dec 15, 2020 12:43 am

I want Me over Joe, Reck over Nero, and then Joe over Nero. I want to see somebody get what they deserve

PokerFace · Post Post #691 (isolation #164) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:54 am

PokerFace · Post Post #693 (isolation #165) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:10 am

How does yahoo get its projections anyway?

PokerFace · Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:21 pm

Ronald jones and tb kicker both added to covid list and were a part of my covid sucks team. I made final 4 in all 4 of my leagues and that team has easily been the least lucky so doubt that team makes it much further but 4 teams in final 4 in 4 separate leagues is something i have never done and am proud of. Be glad you all not in league with that team. People seriously need to stay 6 feet away from it and not pickup anyone i drop for at least 14 days

PokerFace · Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:22 am

Whats that rule?

PokerFace · Post Post #699 (isolation #168) » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:28 am

Oh I get it. So your opponent has herbert and because they didn't count the fumble td by 1 player they then counted the td herbert made later

PokerFace · Post Post #702 (isolation #169) » Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:52 am

Yay Yahoo projections hating on many of my players this week. Kinda wondering where its views came from this week

PokerFace · Post Post #704 (isolation #170) » Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:13 pm

Patrick Mahomes: I am in the conversation for MVP

Aaron Rodgers: So am I.

Josh Allen: May I join you guys?

PokerFace · Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:59 am

In post 704, PokerFace wrote:Patrick Mahomes: I am in the conversation for MVP

Aaron Rodgers: So am I.

Josh Allen: May I join you guys?

Ryan Tannehill: Do I have a horse in this race?

We are getting 2 really good games in league 2 right now. GL Joe

PokerFace · Post Post #711 (isolation #172) » Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:42 pm

I will be in MS League 1 next year. I am going to Super Bowl. Hopkins clinched it. GG Joe

I am probably losing in 2 of my other leagues. Down by a lot in my Espn league and down by a lot in my 8 team 2 QBs start a week league

My Covid Sucks team has a shot at making Superbowl. Depends on how well Big Ben does tomorrow. My Covid Sucks team has James Robinson, Henry and Mahomes. They will play someone with Allen and Diggs next week if they win. $100 will be on the line. Poker's Aces has James Robinson, Allen and Diggs. If Nero wins, he will face Aces in Superbowl with Henry. If Mahomes and Robinson do real well, I could get 2 Superbowl wins. Gonna be hard to get both, but its possible. Winning either Superbowl is enough for me as its been a while since I got one. Nero, you want to get me $100?

PokerFace · Post Post #713 (isolation #173) » Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:59 pm

Ooh I like the name ScumBowl

PokerFace · Post Post #715 (isolation #174) » Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:39 pm

If your Bengals wants to beat Pitt, give Browns a chance at the division, and put Covid Sucks into a Superbowl, I am fine with you

PokerFace · Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:14 am

I would be fine with both of those and Nero/Henry possibly getting me $100

BTW regardless of the outcome of the MS League 2 ScumBowl, I think its safe to say North > South. 4 north teams made playoffs while only 2 south teams did. North teams were seeds 2-5 while south was 1 and 6. Had Pooky won week 13, the entire North Division would have made the playoffs while only Nero made it from the South. The North was the clear stronger division. Its just a question of what team brings home a title now

PokerFace · Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:43 am

Are your PFs and PAs overall season values and not just north vs south? Pending this, some of your math might be off

Nero and I currently have 2 highest playoff scores this week. Unless reckoner wants to pull a miracle out tonight, that will remain true. This will mean your throwing didn't change anything at all really.

So yes nero you have good team. Clear best team in the South but i have best points overall while you still have second best with weakest schedule. You will need to beat me next week to decide best team in the league. I liked the idea of you getting pay back for the throw, but in hindsight I think I like 2 best teams deciding it all more

PokerFace · Post Post #723 (isolation #177) » Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:37 pm

Wow Pitt laid a serious egg. I needed Ben to go under 25 and he absolutely did that. Two superbowl appearances for me. And Mahomes has Atlanta next week. I am taking my Covid ridden team and my ms team to superbowls. Poker's Aces went 9-4 while Covid Sucks went 7-7 on the year.

Had I started Ryan Tanehill over Aaron Rodgers I would of had 3 super bowl appearances. Not kicking myself too much for this as who really benches an MVP candidate when the possible mvp has better projections? But its worth noting this team went 8-5 in my 12 team 4 divisions of 3 teams espn league.

My 4th team which was in a 8 team league where you ideally start 2 qbs and you get points per all first downs to all positions and 6pts for qb tds instead of 4. Needless to say qbs are op with these settings. And since everyone auto drafted due to more bad league settings, I got Dak and Wentz as my draft qbs. I also had to scrounge up other qbs for scheduling and bye concerns throughout the year. Ultimately I had Dak, Wentz, Lock, Tua, Fitz, Smith, Minshew, & Carr all on my roster at different points during the season. And none of them stayed their teams starter the entire year. So maybe this was my unluckiest team. It went 9-5 but got destroyed this week in the playoffs. It had no chance of winning with Carr getting injured and both Allen and Tanehill going nuts for my opponent.

PokerFace · Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:39 am

Considering how much Denver allowed it and considering Josh actually has trouble against NE historically I am rolling with Herbert in the Final. Let's get a rookie a ring and go for 2 Superbowls

Everybody as we say in Cleveland... All /in!

PokerFace · Post Post #736 (isolation #179) » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:21 pm

In post 731, Nero Cain wrote:also, I'm starting the cle defense so I get to beat u with ur own guys

Rams defense is better than browns at least in the secondary and they sure did great against the jets.

So honestly this doesn’t bother me. Browns will play with a purpose and get the win since they have shot at division still out there and they still need to clinch playoffs. But outside Myles, browns D could use some work next off season

PokerFace · Post Post #737 (isolation #180) » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:22 pm

3 move or 4 does not bother me since I move even if there is 2 at this point

PokerFace · Post Post #757 (isolation #181) » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:03 am

Wasn't expecting this conversation to actually gain some steam so I guess I'll make a serious comment of value. Making changes during any part of the season that help some and hurt others, I will never support.

I was okay with the IR changes since they helped everyone, but I still felt weird about the timing of that change and exactly how we changed it, 10 IR is still absurd.

If we are going to actually change how many move in and out, let's plan it out before next time and have it effect next next time

Nero Cain wrote:If L2 ever got to be like an 8 player league are we really going to be like "yeah, let's promote half the league!" if we wanna say that this year we'll just stick with the 4 up/4 down then fine but I'm just trying to look @ it from a fairness perspective and I still think that a 12p league is "harder" than a 10p. Moving forward I think something like @ number based relegation /promotion system makes sense so like

if l2 is 8=then 2 move up
if l2 is 10=then 3 move up
if l2 is 12=then 4 move up

This seems fine as a future proposal

PokerFace · Post Post #758 (isolation #182) » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:36 am

Back when we had a league 3 the top 1 player of L3 went to L1 and the top 3 of L2 went to L1. I thought if Nero got 4th he would stay behind but seems that was not the case. If it was said we move 4 at start of the season let's keep it that way.

Since league 3 is gone and probably is not coming back the new proposal sounds fine for pre-next year and I guess its moves won't go into effect until next next year

PokerFace · Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:09 pm

Well whatever is fine. People may leave next year making their positions mute. The days of 3 leagues are long gone

BTW over the years I noticed that Nero, Panzer, and some others like to drop players on Tuesday before they add on Wednesday as apposed to just dropping and adding all at once on wednesday. Why are some people different?

PokerFace · Post Post #765 (isolation #184) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:16 pm

Kamara does not play this week in ms league 2. He is on tbones team and 5th place was already decided last week. If they held that game over 2 weeks i think tbone would still win at this rate

PokerFace · Post Post #768 (isolation #185) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:41 pm

I feel a 10 team setup should be top 4 with no divisions BUT if you have divisions and get the 6 in playoffs, everyone should play week 14 not just the semis. Only 2 games going on week 14 feels wrong. Everyone plays but top 2 I say. This leads to top 4 being decided like a classic tourney and other places being decided across 2 games for weeks 15 and 16 which I think is more fair. Tbone would surely still win his game but who knows who would win the rest.

PokerFace · Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:55 am

When i win, i win by a lot when i lose its by a lot. I am actually hoping henry goes nuts so i can at least get the $100 in my other league while still making L1 here. Also i am very glad Reck and Tbone not playing me today.

PokerFace · Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:30 pm

36 probably will be enough. Wish I had not run into some issues finding starters with Robinson outing and no good other rb matchups. Team was not healthy 2 times I played Nero. Lucky you. Some better starters at other positions would have helped too. I get L1 either way so that's good. Did we decide how many is going where all the way yet?

PokerFace · Post Post #776 (isolation #188) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:19 am

Reck did very well this season. His only bad move was putting Waller on waivers. If he has Waller he likely gets better seeding and playoff matchups and wins it all at the end

My Covid Sucks team lost already. With all the issues that team had I should be happy with how well I did. I took covid to the super bowl yay... wait I should not say it like that

Gonna draft with a focus on durability over anything else in the future given injury issues were my main problems in all my leagues this year. Less injuries and covid would have got me some rings instead of two 3rds and two 2nds. And had either of my 3rds made it to super bowl, I would have won.

PokerFace · Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:43 am

To be fair I played a part in bringing up the topic this time.

I honestly don't care how many move, but we probably should have had this discussion back in july or august to make sure things were clarified to all regardless which way one looks at precedents

Could have a vote on it, but not really sure the vote would be fair at this point. Some bias would be involved for those that could be moved one way or the other. Also not like we can have fair duel between Aronis and Joe since 10 team league likely allows for Joe's team to have better/larger talent pool than Aronis gets in a 12team league. If there was a fair way to determine which player was better that would be good, but I really can't think of any fair way to do that.

PokerFace · Post Post #794 (isolation #190) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:01 pm

Honestly you both make some valid and invalid points. Kinda wish there was an easy way to decide things

I pmed t-bone and Reck when we wanted them to weigh in on the reseeding. Did anyone else pm them then?

We should have had a vote on how many IR positions and relegations there should be before season regardless of which precedents are more valid

Could always vote on new person to lead leagues next year. KMD was league manager of L1 this year, yes? He could decide who is right between two of you now. Or we just ask mith or zoraster to decide if they still have any investment in this. Other than that maybe we use team records to decide things or something? Like some other factor to decide things fairly would be good.

PokerFace · Post Post #806 (isolation #191) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:11 pm

I might needs Diggs jersey now! Him and Bass got 40.50. I just needed 36 something to beat Nero. And if I went all in on the Bills it would have been even sweeter with Josh Allen's points over Herbert's. GG Nero. Bills Mafia! I love you, Bills Mafia!

PokerFace · Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:30 am

In NFL thread and 3 strikes game, we link games from previous years to first post. We should start doing that here because me finding 2018 or 2019 thread to see if Mith gave an official ruling or not about 3 getting moved is hard to find on phone.

If he gave something official then we move just 3. If not, then 4 is what we move. Seems fair way to decide to me

PokerFace · Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:36 am

Found the years in question
viewtopic.php?f=63&t=80085
viewtopic.php?f=63&t=76844
Checking 2018 for posts from mith now

PokerFace · Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:22 am

Closest thing I could find to a quote from mith is viewtopic.php?p=10379979#p10379979

Though there is some points of note. We had 3 leagues then with league 3 having some dupes in 2018 so that may be why only 3 got moved from L2 and no one from L3 got moved up. So I don't think we can say 10 in L2 was reason only 3 was moved. I think its more accurate to say the lack of a true non-dupe L3 is reason only 3 moved.

We could go by the rankings mith lists and just ignore L3 listings since we don't have that any more which would result in:
L1 #1
L1 #2
L1 #3
L1 #4
L2 #1
L1 #5
L1 #6
L1 #7
L2 #2
L1 #8
L2 #3
L1 #9
----
L1 #10
L2 #4
L1 #11
L2 #5
L2 #6
L1 #12
L2 #7
L2 #8
L2 #9
L2 #10
This would point to only 3 moving, and interestingly Mith ranks L1 #10 above L2 #4 so that would further support L2 #4 staying put.

Or we could try to find a happy median between those rankings and the 2019 relegation setup viewtopic.php?p=11192997#p11192997
Which I guess would be:
L1 #1
L1 #2
L1 #3
L2 #1
L1 #4
L1 #5
L1 #6
L2 #2
L1 #7
L1 #8
L2 #3
L1 #9
----
L2 #4
L1 #10
L2 #5
L2 #6
L1 #11
L2 #7
L2 #8
L1 #12
L2 #9
L2 #10
This happy median would also suggest we would just move 3. Something funny I will point out about this conversation is I don't think Nero is trying to help Aronis. I think Nero may be trying to avoid playing Joe (groose caboose) again. Nero did throw to avoid playing Joe in the L2 playoffs this year. And since Joe is L2 #4 now, if Joe stays behind while Nero moves up, that would mean Nero does not have to play Joe next year at all. So there is weight to Nero wanting to avoid Joe, not weight to Nero wanting to help Aronis

PokerFace · Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:00 pm

I was making a joke, Nero

In truth, I am basically saying you are both right and wrong. Nero is probably right about 3 moving, but Panzer is right about you changing things like IRs and reseeding last minute. So I vote we do what KMD says and follow the quotes which suggest 3 move and we possibly have KMD as league manager next year.

I myself don't want to be league manager here as I will be managing my espn league and introducing a new waivers system and many changes there. I don't want responsibilities for that league and heading our ms leagues here all at same time. I don't want to overload myself. So I'd rather vote for KMD than take charge of things myself

PokerFace · Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:50 pm

I am not disagreeing (disputing?) for suggesting a decision that I myself agreed to. I am disagreeing (disputing?) with you on the timing of the decision and general lack of preparation for the situation. I would rather we had no league head or manager and just decided things by some majority vote. This is Mafiscum, we decide many things by vote. But since an even number of players could easily result in a split or bias vote, and every game needs a moderator, I would rather let a 3rd party like KMD, mith decide it.

PokerFace · Post Post #826 (isolation #197) » Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:40 am

Aside from the 0.5 per receptions what other changes were we looking at for next year again?

Can we have the IR rules I proposed, the if 10 team no divisions 4 to playoffs rules, and 16 man roster (adding another bench) settings I proposed?

PokerFace · Post Post #827 (isolation #198) » Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:44 am

Something I might do for fun is compare Yahoo's initial team projections with where the teams are now. I got the lowest letter grade tied with Pablito, but I believe he was projected to be last by Yahoo while I was projected to be second to last. I want to know how wrong yahoo was on everyone else because they were very wrong with me

PokerFace · Post Post #831 (isolation #199) » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:09 am

Could always do 0.5 or 1 point per receiving first downs instead of 0.5 or 1 point per receptions.

If we do 0.5 or 1 point per receiving first downs and a player catches a ball for a loss, they would not get any point as they didn't get first down, and they would lose points per the loss of yardage by our previous rules. So this alternative would solve you problem d3f3nd3r