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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:52 pm

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I have no confidence in there being a season but /in anyway
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Post Post #11 (isolation #1) » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:39 am

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In post 9, xRECKONERx wrote:/in

but also please can we add extra IR slots to accomodate for the 3 week IR runs people are going to get when they get COVID
I know Yahoo is doing that by default for its baseball leagues this year, hopefully they do the same for the NFL
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Post Post #14 (isolation #2) » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:26 pm

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Do we have final standings from L1 last year?

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Post Post #44 (isolation #3) » Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:13 am

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The later time is the one that was set for the Auction league on ESPN, though idk if that was indeed the plan for it.

PEDIT: Auction is actually set for 12a EDT two hours after that time. Should be workable if necessary.
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Post Post #50 (isolation #4) » Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:43 am

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Starting at midnight my time feels...rough considering auctions generally take considerably longer than standard drafts.
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Post Post #62 (isolation #5) » Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:40 am

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Can we go back in time and have baby Panzer do something to pick the order
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Post Post #74 (isolation #6) » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:21 pm

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I don't see why not, doesn't affect me at all who the actual people that pick before me are
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Post Post #79 (isolation #7) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:36 am

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I think we’re talking draft order trades, but I do know that Panzer is anti-normal trade as well for some reason

It’s L1 so theoretically his reasoning of “people are bad and make bad trades” shouldn’t hold for his league?
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Post Post #84 (isolation #8) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:07 am

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In post 82, PJ. wrote:
In post 79, D3f3nd3r wrote:I think we’re talking draft order trades, but I do know that Panzer is anti-normal trade as well for some reason

It’s L1 so theoretically his reasoning of “people are bad and make bad trades” shouldn’t hold for his league?
People are bad and make bad trades 100% holds for this league.

Also, this isn't a dynasty league. There's no reason(or risk) to trade draft slots because there are no assets. Also it negates the whole point of doing a preset draft order in general, because the people w/ desirable draft slots can all switch for their desired spot while someone with a shit slot..like say...7 is just stuck. Also like I said, there are no assets. Like bruh, the order is the order. The only way i'd allow switching the order is if you bid and that went to a pot at the end of the season, other wise just take your slot you got assigned and bitch at KMD for not setting slots until less than 24 hours before the draft.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #9) » Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:09 pm

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Kmd I think the schedules are a bit off, looked at projections and the number of divisional games are all messed up :(
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Post Post #100 (isolation #10) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:21 am

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Aronis's first six were Cook, Ekeler, Golladay, Woods, Gallup, Watson
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Post Post #101 (isolation #11) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:26 am

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Actually let me just

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Post Post #103 (isolation #12) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:26 am

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Last I heard was that someone flaked and Nero was looking for a fill-in, but that was a few days ago in the MS Discord.
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Post Post #116 (isolation #13) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:07 am

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The reasoning was that it let us play an even 13-week schedule of playing everyone in the division twice and playing everyone outside the division once.
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Post Post #117 (isolation #14) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:09 am

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Also dammit BBM comes back the one year I actually make it into L1 :(
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Post Post #137 (isolation #15) » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:07 am

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I think I’ve had a week where I lost because the defense I rostered went negative, and I would have won had I not rostered any defense!
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Post Post #146 (isolation #16) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:59 am

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Xof told me that the Mish Mash mods do it so that we shut up about how much xof and Monty don't like sports :O
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Post Post #149 (isolation #17) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:18 am

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In post 147, PokerFace wrote:monty?
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Post Post #171 (isolation #18) » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:58 am

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Post Post #197 (isolation #19) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:20 am

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FAAB probably better, but I don’t mind this.
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Post Post #200 (isolation #20) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:03 am

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Yeah you got it right, this is what we've always done (or at least have been doing in recent years)
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Post Post #205 (isolation #21) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:24 am

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In post 201, PokerFace wrote:FAAB?

Unless someones entire fantasy team gets covid, no one is all ten and min, no one should have a rush as large as what rec seems to infer. And a rush of injuries can really effect anyone not just last so i am not on board with reck.
FAAB (Free Agent Auction Budget, I think?) gives you a $100 (or whatever the commish's heart desires) budget to spend on waiver wire acquisitions over the course of the season; the person that spends the most on a player during the waiver period gets them and pays however much money they bid. You still use another waiver system to settle ties, but the
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We use it for the fantasy baseball auction league each year and it seems to be relatively effective, even though it generally doesn't work as well because there's a waiver period every day (for 180 waiver periods per season) instead of at most two per week (30 per season).
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Post Post #210 (isolation #22) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:44 am

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What? If you contest a player on waivers (ie. Both of you pick up the same person) and win you get dropped down to 12th, and everyone else gets moved up a spot.

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Post Post #241 (isolation #23) » Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:27 am

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In post 234, Aronis wrote:Can we just draft 50 player rosters next season and forego the use of a wavier wire
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Post Post #245 (isolation #24) » Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:27 am

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No, you don’t get the FAAB money back if you drop the player...

Otherwise there would be some sort of slippery slope with dropping players you drafted and expecting FAAB compensation based on when you drafted them.
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Post Post #282 (isolation #25) » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:44 am

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Idk how that gets balanced out besides replacing the slot. Y'all could just say 3 teams per division make the playoffs instead of having it be one or two per division plus wild-cards, but that still puts his division at an advantage.
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Post Post #283 (isolation #26) » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:45 am

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Also at least this league *has* dropped players go to waivers and it's not just a free-for-all for whoever logs on first to get the best players...I think I've seen leagues that don't work that way.
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Drafting has strategy!
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Post Post #304 (isolation #28) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:03 am

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There’s something good about having 9 players that’s the only reason I don’t like adding a flex. Having 100 points as a “Mendoza line” of sorts is a good benchmark that goes away (to an extent) when you add a player. I’d be content replacing WR with flex but wouldn’t be as happy just adding a flex (unless the “kickers die a horrible death” one also happens).
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In post 313, xRECKONERx wrote:How the fuck are draft pick trades fine in a league where we lose people and add new people every year
Yeah it's not "I'll give you Aaron Rodgers for a 2nd next year", it's "I'll trade you my picks for your picks" between draft order reveal and the draft itself.
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Post Post #355 (isolation #30) » Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:12 am

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On one hand, nobody is going to use even remotely close to ten IR slots lol

Spoiler: On the other hand, I said the same thing when we did this in baseball and then this is how I ended my season...
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You won that league handily! I came in third to last!
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My inclination is still Wednesday morning. The date for all waiver players right now if you try to pick one up is the Wednesday, which I think is what it always is.
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Spoiler: L1 standings at the halfway point...
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Post Post #442 (isolation #36) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:28 pm

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I got offered Thielen for Aaron Jones straight up lmao
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I mean 10.9 is probably more than any of my other non-Aaron Jones RBs are going to get!
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There’s an online tool for it that runs 20,000 simulations (or more if you so choose):

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Post Post #480 (isolation #39) » Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:31 am

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In post 477, PokerFace wrote:The opening post has who is what team for league 2 but it still needs info for league one. I can tell what teams belong to Khan, Panzer, Yiley, Aronis, Tally, Sharon, Rhinox, and KMD. Can't tell what teams belong to racefan, Peg, Dominator, and D3f

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Post Post #485 (isolation #40) » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:20 am

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Post Post #493 (isolation #41) » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:59 am

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The main reason L2 is using 6 is to normalize the schedule, I’m pretty sure. A 13 week regular season with two divisions of five can be two games against each divisional opponent and one game against each team from the other division. Then playoffs weeks 14-16 and we’re good.
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In-division record then total points I think.
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Cross is division lead, star is clinched a playoff berth.
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Keep in mind that that's only the exact tiebreaker for playoff matches, like if a match ended up being 97.32 to 97.32.
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Post Post #552 (isolation #47) » Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:36 am

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Post Post #635 (isolation #48) » Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:50 am

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In post 631, Nero Cain wrote:how so?
Two teams have clinched playoffs, two are 8-5, three are 7-6, and all five of them have a relatively okay chance at making the playoffs...

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If I win I’m in regardless of what else happens
If PJ wins he’s in regardless of what else happens
If neither PJ nor I win, Tally is in
And all four of me/PJ/PEG/Yiley are within 50 points of each other (with me/PEG/Yiley even closer), so the WC race is going to be something between any of me/PJ that lose and any of PEG/Yiley that win
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Post Post #639 (isolation #49) » Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:34 am

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She beat me by ~12 this week and plays Panzer next week. This week was the first time she’s broken the 100 point barrier since Week 3, but she’s on a three-game win streak. Relevant matchups next week are:

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Well I’d be 2-4 but yeah.

Also I’m not gonna post the percentages again because they’re not accounting for this - I ran it just now and it says Tally can’t make the playoffs, so it must not see our settings properly.
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Post Post #653 (isolation #51) » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:35 am

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TD37 (who’s the person that benched Akers) is playing PEG this week. They benched Akers last-minute in response to the news about CMC going down in order to start Mike Davis - but PEG is the CMC owner. Obviously we’ll see how things look on Sunday, but if Davis has a rough game you could potentially argue that PEG’s first round pick missing this week’s game is a net positive for him!
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I do, but if Mike Davis hangs like 5 and Montgomery (assuming that was PEG’s replacement) does well, then that’s what happens! The chances that CMC was going to get a full load of touches on Sunday coming back from injury were relatively low anyway.
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Jeez I’m probably explaining this wrong

I’m not trying to say that CMC going down and missing 8 weeks is better than him playing all 16 games for PEG obviously

I’m trying to say that for this single week in a vacuum it may be a net positive that he’s out - that him missing 9 games was actually better than him missing 8 even though neither of those are good to begin with
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Post Post #677 (isolation #54) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:35 am

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I’m not entirely sure how seeding for the playoffs work, but do I jump ahead of you in playoff seeding if I do get the 21.5 out of Andrews? Not sure if Yahoo forces the division winners into the top seeds.
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Post Post #685 (isolation #55) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:49 am

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Yep, all the fun stuff didn’t happen in L1 (except for PEG winning, but that on its own wasn’t meaningful). Playoff matches are me vs. TD37 and PJ vs. KK.
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Post Post #689 (isolation #56) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:19 pm

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I think you would’ve still won the division off of the better divisional record but I would have been seeded higher than you. It’s weird.
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Jones was probably already out this week FWIW
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God this is gonna be so awkward when I lose by less than 6.1 because of the Casper rule
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(Most of the awkwardness comes from the fact that I’m friends with some cousin of this guy)
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Post Post #722 (isolation #60) » Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:29 pm

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Me versus PJ for the title in L1. Lots of eyes will be on the Packers/Titans game Sunday night given that PJ has Tannehill and I have Rodgers/Jones/Henry.
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Post Post #741 (isolation #61) » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:55 pm

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This isn’t the first time it’s been brought up. Let me find the other mention of it...
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Post Post #742 (isolation #62) » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:01 pm

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I’m seeing mentions of it in the discord from November 8
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I mean it probably won't matter to begin with because we lose enough people year-to-year
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Post Post #766 (isolation #64) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:01 pm

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Same with L1, TD37 had him. Should mean that the bronze medal match is pretty much decided at this point...
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Post Post #822 (isolation #66) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:14 pm

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We take at least 2-3 alternates into L1 per year (namely at least myself and PEG this past year) can we just pick something and shut the fuck up
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Post Post #828 (isolation #67) » Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:55 am

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I mean we’re also going to need to figure out how to deal with the 17th game that’s likely getting added next season...

I really don’t understand the criticisms of the mechanics of this league when 5 years ago they were literally the Yahoo default settings. I don’t think PPR (or half PPR) is actually that good in any capacity because a WR making a catch and being tackled for a loss shouldn’t get rewarded, and I think replacing the third WR with a flex is probably fine but relatively meaningless (especially in 12+ person leagues) because there are almost never more than 32 startable RBs (one per NFL team) in a given week. If anything it punishes people like PEG (who was L1’s CMC owner) because it makes the RB waiver wire much dryer. I know I would’ve benefitted from it this year considering I had Ronald Jones riding the pine most weeks, but I feel like I was the exception and not the rule.

I think the better solution might be changing the pass yardage value so that it comes closer to valuing RBs and WRs equally, but I’m not sure what that’d look like.
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Yeah but auction is on ESPN and I’m probably not bothering with it again unless that changes :(
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Post Post #833 (isolation #69) » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:19 am

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Yeah I think point per receiving first down would make sense but I don’t know if that option is available to us on Yahoo.
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Post Post #835 (isolation #70) » Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:52 am

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...so a wide receiver making a catch but losing nine yards on the play should be rewarded?
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I'm happy with that but I'm not entirely sure Yahoo gives you that option? I think the only different "items" it tracks are <20, 20-29, 30-39, 40-49, and >50 kicks as opposed to the actual yardages.
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The question is, would that system be only one option (0.1 point per yard) or would 19yd, 20yd, 21yd, ... have to be their own separate scoring categories?
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Yeah no I meant the WR reception yardage oops, if the goal is to value WRs (and pass-catching RBs) more, then changing WR yardage to a point per, say, eight yards might do that.
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I mean I feel like 5 is too drastic, but that’s the quantity I’m throwing out there as a possible change.
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I agree but that’s exactly what adding PPR does too :P
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I mean more broadly we need to figure out what we’re doing with the extra week of the season since it seems all but confirmed that we’ll have one next year...
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money not Covid

The plan is for the teams to play the cross-conference opponent with the same placement in the division they played two years prior. For example, since the Jets will finish last in the AFCE and the AFCE played the NFCE in 2019, they’ll play the last-place NFCE team from this year in 2021. No idea how they’ll allocate home versus away games, the unofficial proposal I’ve seen is that odd years the AFC hosts and even years the NFC hosts.
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It’s probably more relevant at lower lengths. Makes kicking a 19 yard field goal somewhat less valuable than a 39 yard one whereas right now they’re the same value.
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I’m pretty sure there hasn’t been a miss of a sub-20 field goal in the regular season (looking at you, Blair) in years. They’re truly automatic...no need to give them three points...
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Post Post #892 (isolation #80) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:35 am

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Honestly I wouldn't mind just skipping Week 1 or something
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