TENET - Game Over

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Like, I don't even care about her claim.

I think she's scum off of play.

Ew. This post only makes sense if you don’t Consider her claim to be a part of her play and that’s just a silly position to hold.

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This is what I don’t get, where the fuck is your wait a minute moment?

It’s inexplicably missing.

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I’m thinking Titus. There’s a lot of time on the clock to figure out why this is missing. I just fucked up on shelly, so
I need to think.

And eat lunch. Food tell.

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Lovers are not masons. I am aware. But i’m Asking how *scum* Titus benefits.

Because I'm trying to eliminate the fuck out of her and she's now using this as a 'get out of being eliminated for free' card.

I haven't read this stuff in the middle, but this makes me suspect of BS scum with SS.

If SS is scum, scum want me dead prior to the merge. I'm not obvtowning enough to make that happen so BS pushes on me. Add in the fact the mechanics FoS them a bit and welll...

And now you think that she's town for her claim despite supposedly trying to tie me to her supposed 'lover's' flip?

Yes, she claimed lover, that was her get out of jail free card.
I need to think I need to think. Leave me alone to chill and think about it.

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Yup, i’m Gunna think about this.

Personally I don’t think this changes the arithmetic for cabd or FF in regards to me. But they should see at least...

Well actually will they even acknowledge the weirdness here?

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There was something about how you need a sufficiently weird explanation for it to be plausible the greater the assertion or something.
Laplace or something?
To me, it’s capital W weird for Titus to do this as scum.

I don’t agree with Spiffeh that the claim is NAI. As this is almost a direct refutation of using motive to scum hunt.

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Ceph, if this is NAI then anybpost you read that isn’t a vote is noise.

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You guys are using reduction to an absurd degree.
You’re basically ignoring everything past the lover claim without acknowledging the circumstances at all. Multiple of you in the other thread are talkijng out of both sides of your mouths saying don’twoeey About claimsjust focus on play without acknowledging the very obvious fact that Titus claim and approach here’s is majority play and not “just A NAI claim”

Come on.
Brian also shifting the goal posts and while they admitted they don’y care about this past their read of her play this is just a super perspective

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Weird.

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@ceph nah, titus claim and approach is highly AI.
If you care at all about sonebodies motivations you will exognize motivation in her post.
Whether that be to deceive or not is up in the air but denying it doesn5 exist is just wrong.

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What's a super perspective?

Super weird.*
Phone posting.

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@ceph correct.

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Bad bell: what does that gotta do with scum hunting.
Good Bell: you should both listen to each other and through the power of the dialectical method you should determine the truth!

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i’d rather just wait for better players to sort your interactions and hopefully do a better job of sorting you than I am.

Just gunna out right say: currently, I think you dug in when Titus pushed back and lost perspective because you’re scum
This game. The perspective loss in this case hasn’t to do with your inability to register and consider new data and instead prioritizing the negation of anything that stands in the way of your elimination.

Titus, i’ve seen be This Titus as town before.

I don’t think you would be so quick to make this judgment and not care about new information. Imo, understand?

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It’s not like players don’t do this though: see cabd, Titus, a bunch of other people.

I just don’t think they don’t acknowledge competing info internally. You seemed almost proud of the admission but it doesn’t make sense to me.

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Has to do*
Not hasn’t To do

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Anyway that’s my initial impression.
I want to think on it though. I don’t feel great about this rn.

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It’s not like players don’t do this though: see cabd, Titus, a bunch of other people.

I just don’t think they don’t acknowledge competing info internally. You seemed almost proud of the admission but it doesn’t make sense to me.

don't do what?

Tunnel/fake tunnel as town/project overconfidence about a read or particular narrative.

Sometimes it’s tunneling, sometimes it’s scum pushing for a miselimination sometimes it’ town pushing for an elimination they think is town and on and on.

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They think is scum*

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Just gunna out right say: currently, I think you dug in when Titus pushed back and lost perspective because you’re scum

Well shit. I must be scum then. May as well vote me now.

Or, I could not just go based off of initial impressions and think about it some more.

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@dandywine: *back pat* i’m Town this game so it’s actually a good thing people ignored you this time in the end.

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Uhh how do I explain that this is notsci, notsci and not notsci, cobra kai edition.

I think he defined his play as one where he goes out and finds a town read and then follows them if he thinks they’re any good at finding scum. Is a drastic oversimplification. But seems like the gist of a notesci story.

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I’m still thinking btw.
I have a super focused expression the last 30 minutes.
I feel like i’m missing the point but the dots are all here for a good elimination this day phase.

I just don’t understand.

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I’m enjoying this actually.

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@peta why Titus in the Brian-Titus one scum universe?

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Lots of solid Brian lines on this page.

I am actually.
Pretty okay with my gyphx vote and continue not to see the town gyphx thing even though he's helping save my doctor's ass which is probably EV.
Maybe I'm just jealous that the world seems so clear cut to him.

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I'm still struggling to see the Titus scum angle.
While she was in danger, I don't think it was to the extent that she needed to counter punch like this it's just extremely weird.
This is pretty in line with my understanding of Titus town from the 3rd party game.

I feel like all the weirdness is too much weird to be coming from scum.
Or at least all the weirdness should be investigated one post at a time because it should*
help us figure out if she's town or not.

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We still have a few days, I know that the precipice is bothering people (the precipice being the uncertainty and the general, overall townieness of the remaining players in their own little idiosyncratic ways), but I think we're actually beter served b patience here, even though I know Mena, was like the faster town moves the more likely they are to win, it still feels sort of reductionist here especially.

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Doing stuff is a pain, but also, not doing stuff makes things worse.
So, I'm actually not sure how to approach the Titus questioning.

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I'm absolutely not saying too scummy to be scum here.

Weird does not equal scum, I want to see if she has good explanations for each weirdness presented.
In the same way, that I did when I got questioned earlier (Yes, I know it was a a big pill[lol] to swallow but I also sufficiently explained which things were intentional crumbs and which were entirely not meant to be crumbs just from the simple, I'll tell the truth angle rather than just say whatever's convenient angle).

Menalque? I never did get to spelling his name right.
Mostly because I know it pisses him off as a running gag from I guess Datasi?

Mystery box of silver six.

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Titus is V/La til wednesday.

Gotta go get my finger prints done.

No, too scummy to be scum and weird are absolutely not the same things at all.
Weirdness is something you question and ask about.
Scumminess is pretty much whatever scum do that town don't with whatever

ugh
gotta go.

Can't omplete sentence bbl.

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It's not.
I'm saying that weirdness is the beginning of questions and the answers to those questions determine whether (well and the result, plus reality etc) it was scummy or not.

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What are your reads and why Gyphx?

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It's not.
I'm saying that weirdness is the beginning of questions and the answers to those questions determine whether (well and the result, plus reality etc) it was scummy or not.

too questionable to be scum then?

anyways, your point relies on the fact that titus has a lot of weirdness, not really likling this

Nope, you're putting words in my mouth.

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No, you aren't.
I'm stating there are questions to be asked.

You don't yeet weird, you question it and then you yeet it if it comes back red.

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The mena point is simply that Mena told me and then I don't think he ever got around to sourcing it, that town win more when the days are shorter or when there are less dead line crunch eliminations town tend to win more.

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Case in point me,
who was weird.
But not scum.

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Also, get on FF's level Cabd.
You're falling behind.

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Weird does not equal scum, I want to see if she has good explanations for each weirdness presented.

I don't really understand how complete mischaracterization of my play is considered weird and not scummy.

Yes, I was absolutely talking about mischaracterization of your play specifically and not the lover claim and move and vote and push and positioning on me and whether this is dense Titus rfwr or wftrr or rftrr.

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I am also aware that Titus's posting was kinda cheesy in re defense of me.

But LLD is cheesy and has been town too, so I'm like.
They must know the cheese is in the bread right?

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right for the wrong reasons. wrong for the right reasons, wrong for the right reasons and wrong for the wrong reasons.

I guess are all the permutations I can think of.
In summary,
I'm waffling.

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Bell, who do you think is scum?

Rn?
Gyphx, because he's being chill and all and I appreciate the defense.
But beyond that I see somebody intentionally hiding their trajectories and I'd like to find out more.

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Well, her reasons have already been proven to be bullshit, so you can go ahead and cross those off.

How many games have you played where somebody falsely accused you of something and then they flipped town anyway.

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A reminder that a bunch of people just called my real doctor claim fake and voted me.
They can't all be scum.

But each of them mischaracterized by town play as scum play
or mechanically reasoned incorrectly.

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You can see where I'm coming from here?
Just consider me jaded.

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you mind if i just put link to previous posts as explainations bell?

I would mind actually.
But you can take your time.

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If she flips town you realize that it was titus just being titus right?

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Are you saying that you're different people with different personalities and therefore what might be true of one of you might not be true for the other?

Nonsense.

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No, I'm telling you that she's probably just scum here.

And that your situation is not her situation.

*taps your sarcasm radar*

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You weren't saying this.

You were arguing that it wasn't fair that I was applying a titus measurement stick to Titus.
But not applying a Titus measurement stick to Brian.

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I don't wanna go down the fairness line of scum hunting where we eliminate the least deserving and reward the most deserving instead of just killing whoever got the red role pm.

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Unless I'm missing something here, you basically just said that because I'm not letting you have your way you wish to elaborate on every Bell scum universe that isn't true in this one because you'd rather do that then just not get frustrated and understand where I'm coming from and accept that what I'm saying is,
is that I'd like to hear from Titus and Gyphx.

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I haven't read the other thread and whatever post you're making Cabd,

but you better full back pedal if you wanna look cool this game.
FF looks very cool.

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No, I'm saying I can't tell if your position here is because you legitimately think that Titus play here is just 'weird' rather than you being her buddy and trying to protect her.

Sure, I'm scum with Titus.
This makes sense and is definitely something you've thought deeply about.

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Changing your mind and being right about changing your mind is probably one of the coolest things a human is capable of doing from Bell perspective.

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Sure, I'm scum with Titus.
This makes sense and is definitely something you've thought deeply about.

If she doesn't flip some sort of strongman or other interference role, then yes, you're probably going to come under heavy scrutiny.

I don't wanna be that guy, but this isn't a good post.

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I don't wanna be that guy, but this isn't a good post.

Am I wrong though?

100%
I'm a town doctor, that doesn't change based on titus's flip.

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I see a lot of questions that come up to me based on those posts.


You're arguing her reasoning is flawed, and Dandlion is picking at the edges.

I don't understand her motivation for pushing like this.

I fundamentally disagree that she was in a position to take this measure.

I think S_S does not take this tack as scum, I think she got him on board.
I think they might not have agreed because Titus is quite strong headed and moves quickly to make decisions sometimes.

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I don't care whether titus is right, only what it means for Titus's and your alignments, does that make sense?

I consider your cases.

I see arguments and picks at logic. etcetera.
But this isn't a debating game.

Titus could say you were scum because the moon was purple in her dreams last night.
She might have still voted scum.

My concern is whether she actually dreamt the moon was purple and whether she decided to go for a miselimination based on the moon being purple in her dreams because he seemed like a good case to scum her or whether she actually believed that because the moon was purple maybe it meant something so she decided to push etc.

[Bell]

There is a role here that makes it so that you can trick someone into purple rooming and getting turnstiled.

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Whatever Bell.

I see what you mean, but I've pretty much lost faith in you if you're town here.

Please don't actually have faith in anyone or anything. This isn't that kind of game.

[Bell]

There is a role here that makes it so that you can trick someone into purple rooming and getting turnstiled.

Is there now?

Did I misread somewhere or aren't Superbowl and Spiffeh getting swapped out tonight?

[Bell]

Oh.
Was that mentioned?

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If one says no, do they both not get to go?

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Does the swap occur before or after the NK?

Did deacon and Imperium try to swap?
I missed this connection.

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I only want everyone else to do the hard work if I roll scum and not even then because it makes me look bad in comparison and I get eliminated for it, lol.

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I can't reconsider if no one talks to me. I got spoken down to, which is a shame because y'all are wrong.

I honestly hope you're just scum here.

Because based on your blatant mischaracterization of my play this Day, I don't think I'd be okay with speaking with you again if you weren't.

Ew.

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Is brian usually like this/able to be like this as scum/town?
@Other thread.

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I can't reconsider if no one talks to me. I got spoken down to, which is a shame because y'all are wrong.

I honestly hope you're just scum here.

Because based on your blatant mischaracterization of my play this Day, I don't think I'd be okay with speaking with you again if you weren't.

Ew.

This would be incredibly cheap if Brianskies was scum here.

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This would be incredibly cheap if Brianskies was scum here.

And if I were town?

It shows you have a temper and hopefully you'll think better on it in the future.

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Funnily enough,

they were right.

That's sad actually.
I protected them and it didn't matter.
Opps.

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Do we know if the swap comes first or the NK?

What happens if one player is targeted and shot at and they swap does the other person get shot?

Scum are just gunna ask these questions if they haven't already so this isn't actually anti-town to ask.

Probably.
Maybe.
I hope.

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I literally can't fight this depression long enough to be more coherent and have focus for work. All I can say is that I tried.

It's cool Titus. Focus on destressing.

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Pretty much.
I hope Brian isn't scum just because using the argument that if you were town here he wouldn't want to speak with you again is so lame that I want to nuke it from here.

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Like I will be legit mad at Brian if he's scum here.

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Do what you want Titus.

I guess I'd like to know what you and S_S talked about in PT without getting mod killed.
Since S_S seems town to me from what I've seen from him from the other thread.

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Brian, have you ever made a post like the one you made to Titus as scum or town before?

Would you describe your scum game as being capable of it?

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ALL the ate

bells in particular

What AtE though.
I mostly made appeals to fear (though, in this case the consequences are true, I'm actually a doctor so it would, in fact, be bad for anybody not scum aligned to eliminate me).

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Isn't it fairly normal for people to want to hedge their bets as either alignment?

If scum why wouldn't they want to add in a little mix of doubt to seem more like they're thinking about who's scum or not. While keeping their options open for a better than vanilla town elimination.

If town, it could just be genuine doubt, not wanting to get blind sided or burned or seeming dumb for clearing me when they shouldn't have etc, etc, etc. I can see a lot of reasons and actions for why keeping me up in the air would make sense.

Sometimes, it's even weird town that wants to put a little doubt there so that I don't get nked if scum hope they can make better kills elsewhere that are more immediately necessary.

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I'm playing you off each other because I'm hoping that Cabd is town and will change his mind by pointing to FF correctly managing to change her mind about this given my posts this game.

I am way the fuck out of my scum meta range and I don't want to start pushing back at Cabd just because he's misreading me. No matter how many posts I make. Yes, I know it's kind of obnoxious so I'm saying what I'm internally managing emotionally.
Rather, I'm thought sharing. Or being an open book, or whatever regardless of whether the thought seems townie or not. Though I am being a little distracting.

I do not disagree that some of my posts seemed like crumbs, when they weren't btw. I was just stating which ones were intended to be crumbs and which weren't because I'm a sucker for reality and keep hoping against hope that if I just present reality infront of somebody, eventually, they'll get it.

@Zmuffin, I was referring to my doc claim and am I scum, am I not scum positioning on me in relation to Annie's question. Just because peer pressure to get on the Bell was actually town peer pressure wagon has come in doesn't mean they don't stop having doubts. Or even should stop having doubts.

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The mod deferred to ambiguity on my questions about night actions btw.

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It sounds like we're basically thinking along the same lines muffin?

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It sounds like we're basically thinking along the same lines muffin?

This post was referring to Muffin's thoughts on Titus.

@Annie, goofball.

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Yes, I was saying that the only emotion I appealed to was fear but I didn't recognize any others if you were going for that.

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Are we back to the Muffin Bell are a scum team thing.

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Oh,
Basically they're always using that jovial "keep up sport" sort of competitive mindset with one another.
I felt he might be more receptive to that sort of thing.
I wasn't actually creating a point of conflict until she correctly changed her mind.

My hope is that the conflict will lead to a correct resolution.
No conflict, no change.

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Also, I have not really called either of them scum.
So i'm not 'pitting them against each other' from that perspective because I'm not saying,

"Hey, FF, Cabd is probably scum you should totally participate in gladitorial combat with each other"

I'm surprised anyone even thought I was trying for that.

I accepted the pitting against each other thing, but that wasn't really a divide in conquer thing. I don't even do that because I'm not actually good enough scum to do that.
I'm pretty passive scum and more likely to wait for a point of contention to pop up organically and then try to clumsily manipulate it than try to create a fissure myself, in part just out of a total lack of confidence in my social skills lol.

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I am also, fairly tired of answering for myself.

I feel I've made enough posts and been open enough with my mindset that this really shouldn't be an issue anymore.
If you think I can fake this as scum, thanks for the complement but not even close to there yet.

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What's yours Brian?

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I don't even know who you are.

But the feeling definitely isn't mutual.

Could you stop making posts like this if you're scum.

[Bell]

Are you just not having fun this game or something

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it seems plausible to me.
I actually do agree with whoever said that, that I'm not sure Dunstral has the alacrity as scum to notice they made a mistake in their claim and then capitalize on it,
esp. When they didn't have to and she might have been going down without it. He sealed it, but if he didn't notice it, someone else likely would have. Which makes it an even more odd position for scum dunnstral to take.

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I do think this brought town or scum space for justified hopping on.

I don't necessarily think that scum would feel the need to jump on after Dunstrall coffin'd her.
Since town would do the miselimination themselves and keep their hands clean.

Of those players Spiffeh is my weakest TR.

[Bell]

Please stop reading the game where I have scum partners.
It's not gunna result in anything resembling accuracy.

Also, why are you/are you scum reading me independently now?

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@Deacon, I'm not clear why I should be leashed?
I'm pretty much just going to protect the people I think are most at risk of getting nk'd rn/based on the result of elimination.

I agree with Dandelion on notsci, though I actually don't mind either one.

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Yeah, I get that, I'm just sharing my perspective and whether I'm confident or not there was no scum there while noting some of the circumstances surrounding it to explain my reasoning on my lack of confidence.

To put it simply, I don't think scum needed to join her Wagon, since I think you and Dunstrall are likely town, that leaves Spiffeh or an all town wagon.
And I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.

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the answer to "whether he's capable of that as scum" is almost always no.

[Bell]

You guys should really kill skitter.
They keep posting like there's some joke only some of us are in on.

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Whelp, hope my feelings weren't wrong.
Unless that was a fake hammer in which case,

For shame.

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*were wrong*

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What's an umbrella?

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Is it really an issue if I'm actually a doc.
I either do it right or I don't.

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That actually helped me a little with the Muffin town read.
So glad that happened at least(no, this is not a crumb).

You could simply say that Brian didn't argue in the greatest of faith, refusing to acknowledge facts or questions that were missing from the narrative and pushing none stop.
Brian gave an out, but you could tell he didn't care what she said mostly.

there's a scum narrative for Brian, but it's a difficult one. I do think Titus makes a fairly good D2 elimination as scum. Rather, scum would go for her.

[Bell]

Personally I just think Titus was right for the wrong reasons.
But we'll see. I guess.

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I don't agree with Flavor's faith in this town personally.

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That, maybe too.

I can't tell if he's just chill town happy with his lot in life and with no real fire under him he just does what he does the way he wants to do it.

Or if he's just playing bad scum that can barely justify a single read.

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VOTE: BrianSkies

I protected Dunnstral, looks like I missed.

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Personally, I don't like our odds at all.

I think Petapan is town in the other thread.

I think BrianSkies is scum in this one.
I don't like how both Titus and S_S were killed.

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He's my towniest town read. That's about it!

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I don't care that his position sucks.
I don't think he's capable as scum of killing Shellyc like that.

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I do.
Please kill Brian.
He's clearly game throwing if he's town.
He probably isn't.

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His entire game has been one giant omgus.
And it's gotten old.
He's pure survivalism.

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I think he's low scum.
I think his scum partners backpatted him for his crap.

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His entire game has been one giant omgus.
And it's gotten old.
He's pure survivalism.

I don't think this is true...

Well, read it buddy. I think it is.

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He's my towniest town read. That's about it!

Can you explain your read

I already did, personally I don't think you have the alaricity as scum to notice her claim was botched as town then push it. when it would serve you not to on a personal level.

Yeah I know she flipped town, but it really didn't seem like you knew that, like, at all.
I also think you're roughly speaking untouchable, plus how unwnd replaced out wasn't scummy at all in my opinion.

There's a whole lot of reasons why you're probably town this game.

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Pretty sure it’s just gypyx

I'll listen but, I personally think brian's scum.
It should be noted that I don't feel at all like Brian played like this from the last two games we played together.
You think he is, or close enough.
Why?

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Both players in Annie are guys.

Cabd maybe stop apologizing to skitter scum.

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What was wrong with annie's positioning on Titus/Brian?
I felt it made sense from my perspective.
I thought he got cold feet from Titus AtE and dodged left. I don't really feel like he needed to unvote there as scum to protect their own credibility.

I also don't think that being a Cabd/FF follower is bad play per se. That's actually just how they normally play and Spiffeh pushing that narrative after peacing out after miseliminating Titus is bleh.

[Bell]

I was expecting Bell to die and the reason he's still alive is because he's both lynchable and he's not a threat given the power that is in this timeline right now,

Also probably because he's scum, but sure

Stop tunneling, i can't even pretend to solve when I'm scum. it's day three, my proficiency edged itself out like 2 days ago.

[Bell]

It should noted that they also broke from Cabd/FF in the end and did successfully (and correctly) back off from eliminating Doctor Bell.

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Thinking.

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This is going to take awhile for me to reconsider Annie.
I actually just have a lot of reasons I think they're town this game.
Pretty much everything from discomfort with buddying as scum, to poor proficiency as scum, to mirroring play in illicit with trejectories on paranoia, to it not actually being very scummy to sheep players like that because it makes them stand out and is very team player'e.
The fuck it Titus vote gave me pause, but only really because they said fuck it.

[Bell]

HP I'll have stuff for you tomorrow

I hope this isn't you scum casing me, because if it is, don't bother.

[Bell]

#6405.
Yikes.

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i'll iso them and think about it. Doubt I'll reach the correct conclusion.

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#6402: What changed in the turnstile room that caused you to flip your read on SB9?

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Gamma protected Dandelion if they didn't get straight up shot yeah?
they pretty much said as much in one of their posts talking about hydra dissonance being a town tell.
It was hard to read the S_S scum posts.

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Opportunistic my ass.

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So Muffin and I were scum partners and now Annie and I are scum partners?

Deacon.
What are you drinking.

[Bell]

Does that make any sense?
Who is even listening to Annie edison or taking their cases seriously?

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You know what I mean.
I just mean it's like why would petapan piggyback on you specifically?
They don't seem to have trouble coming up with reasoning on their own.

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He was.
He was also an annie pusher.
Which I'm sure he'd remind you of, if he were alive.

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There are much more recent posts than that that he wrote. /:

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I doubt Muffin just turned his brain off and decided to sheep Nacho through 4000 posts.
His push on you was his, even if I don't agree with it and there's not reason to say otherwise if you're interested in his actual positions.

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Why did scum kill Muffin at all is my question.

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Why are scum playing around Gypyx if he's scum?

? I don't get it. If you think I'm scum, I'm not playing around him, so who are you talking about?

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It wasn’t even a fucking push he just disagreed with me saying he should be able to read me what are you even talking about

If that's true, why did you vote me for your misunderstanding that I agreed with him?

[Bell]

I'm a doctor, muffin's reads were accurate?
They thought I might protect any of the other players in the thread?

I dunno what's your explanation?

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Someone who is town in that other thread needs to find scum and ignore everyone else and tunnel them until they die.
Democracy is a waste.
Democracy doesn't work.

And Set up speculation isn't working obviously. Did you guys actually learn anything from Titus/S_S
or do you still think they're scum even though they both flipped town and are dead?

[Bell]

If you could not do that if you're town, I'd appreciate it.

[Bell]

hm. gif hydra and noddy hydra seem ok to me so far. fferycabd still not so much. bell's okish too

i am not read up on recent pages

have fferycabd figured out noddy is town yet or are they still pretending he could be scum?

This you?

I understand shitting on me for my play this game is the “in” thing but I know damn well you’re better at reading me than this.

And this interaction is sketchy as all fuck.

It sounds like we're basically thinking along the same lines muffin?

you looked town in that game though

VOTE: bell

You want me to shared the quotes from before the first quote? They are all rvs.

So no, miss me with that shit.

Oh, and by the way bell, fear is an emotion.

Sorry was told I wasn’t doing things guess I have to prove them wrong

i don't read you off content lol

Yes, I’m well aware how you read me.

So why are you passing it off like I’ve done nothing for you to read me off of?

because your posts are boring here

It sounds like we're basically thinking along the same lines muffin?

This post was referring to Muffin's thoughts on Titus.

@Annie, goofball.

[Bell]

Well, do so.
Just don't say it's me.
It's not. -_-

[Bell]

I don't think it's brian

I really don't think the way Brian reacted to Titus was townie in the slightest.

[Bell]

I'm still going to iso people including Annie,

did Pissko claim before they were killed?

[Bell]

I see. Thanks.

[Bell]

Did people ask them to claim beforehand?

Why is bork suddenly town reading me, while FF is not.
What Bizarro world is this.

[Bell]

Anyway I need to sleep.
If you have anything send it to my secretary.
They're a bird.

[Bell]

I'm pulling a titus here and have not/will not thoroughly read your first 3 days can someone give me any relevant claims/setup stuff? Right now I think Bell's scum sorry buddy

Don't be sorry, be better.

[Bell]

I'm just annoyed that I have to keep smacking folks down for their own good and it will still somehow be my fault when town inevitably loses the game because I didn't try hard enough not to get eliminated.

[Bell]

N1. Imperium.
N2. Dunnstral.

[Bell]

Strong-man shot or something equivalent on Imperium.

There are a lot of protection roles In this game.

[Bell]

Ty for the summary annie, don't you have some power as well? Not your role but someone gave it to you right?

Also can someone not annie tell me what annie's scumhunting has looked like so far

Uhhh Sheeping me, then sheeping Cabd/FF, then sort of hunting on their own maybe? Slightly? I feel like Annie would be the best person to describe what they would be thinking. I think they came to unwnd town on their own.

[Bell]

My impression of the thread rn is that you all have been drifting a bit, ie not really taking hard stances on stuff and arguing it out as much as finding a flow and going with it. Is that correct more or less?

Sort of. There's hesitation here. We're at what? One more miselimination on both sides before we lose the game?

[Bell]

wtf are those flips

also random though, but maybe the protagonist was macho?

I actually asked Cakez about this before protecting them and no.
Also, that would have shown up in the flip.

The other thread saying that SB9 is scummy for forcing Annie to reveal their secrets is extremely hypocritical, bordering on total lack of self-awareness.
You guys did the exact same thing to me. *psyduck*

[Bell]

@Bell did you not notice Annie's role crumbs? You could have protected her

I was aware of his role crumbs. But I had no idea what role it was, nor was I as confident that they were town as I was that you were town. Plus, Annie wasn't a super strong TR from other players stated perspective unlike you, where HP's paranoia case slid right off you. it would have been a poor protect based on limited information.

[Bell]

Describe his scumminess.

[Bell]

so protagonist is just an activated IC?

and tbf they got a point, bowl is scummy

I think so. I actually thought all IC's automatically became macho when they activated their ability which was why I asked Cakez in the first place.

[Bell]

And no, I'm not the strong man, shut up.

[Bell]

wtf are those flips

also random though, but maybe the protagonist was macho?

I actually asked Cakez about this before protecting them and no.
Also, that would have shown up in the flip.

The other thread saying that SB9 is scummy for forcing Annie to reveal their secrets is extremely hypocritical, bordering on total lack of self-awareness.
You guys did the exact same thing to me. *psyduck*

Why would the mod tell you whether another player was macho..?

I'm parapharsing because I don't wanna get mod killed.

[Bell]

wtf are those flips

also random though, but maybe the protagonist was macho?

I actually asked Cakez about this before protecting them and no.
Also, that would have shown up in the flip.

The other thread saying that SB9 is scummy

for forcing Annie to reveal their secrets

is extremely hypocritical, bordering on total lack of self-awareness.
You guys did the exact same thing to me. *psyduck*

I'm not sure anybody has said this

You're right, they called Annie scummy and called Sb9 scummy and the result of Annie's claim seems to be that Sb9 is scummy?

[Bell]

I think they actually indirectly told me they weren't macho though, yeah.
Tee hee.

[Bell]

Describe his scumminess.

I really hate his behaviour around annie, and he feels pretty pockety around hp, like "oh yeah u think i'm obvscum but we can work together"

Why is this scummy tho.

[Bell]

They fucked up imo.
At first I thought the pm was open to interpretation, but answered with the current understanding of subjects in grammer, nope.

Ultimately it didn't even matter because they still got strongman shot.
I referenced this PM and messaging in earlier posts btw.

To flip the question, why would I even mention that I asked this question as scum to cakez?

[Bell]

You're pretty much missing that I have no reason to share about this misunderstanding of IC's roles if I felt it would be suspicious in anyway.
So don't look too deeply into it Dunnstral, the best you could do here is blame the Mod for answering a question they should not have, but I know he answered in good faith so I can hardly blame him for that.
Unless I'm missing something.

[Bell]

Because it's giving out information for free that could reveal motive that I would automatically assume would be discernable because I was scum that game.

Everypost I make that's from town me is one that should hypothetically lead you closer to discerning that I'm town.
Everypost I make that's from scum me is one that should hypothetically lead you closer to discerning that I'm scum.

[Bell]

In general the more I tell the truth as scum the more risk I put myself in,
the more I tell the truth as town the less risk I put myself in.

Now you could point to the myriad of town that can't identify othertown for shit, but I've expressed my ideology.
Good players should be able to tell the difference.

[Bell]

My view is that Petapan and SB9 are both town.

Petapan for open booking.
SB9 for approach to folk and game thread.

[Bell]

I don't think he pushes this hard against the grain as scum here. But that's just my opinion based on limited experience.
I feel he has more stage fright as scum.

[Bell]

I feel like SB9 has gone against everyone to one extent or another, did he make allies in the other thread or even in this one?

[Bell]

Oh yeah, Muffin sure did die after promising to meta Gyphx.

I wonder if he's just polite scum this game.

UNVOTE:

[Bell]

Oh yeah, Muffin sure did die after promising to meta Gyphx.

I wonder if he's just polite scum this game.

UNVOTE:

wdym polite scum?

Inoffensive, not helpful.

[Bell]

I was suspected by Pichu day 2 but didn't really think he had it out for me until that point.
Good morning.

[Bell]

It should be noted that I don't feel at all like Brian played like this from the last two games we played together.

This is a really bad metric to read me off of.

Sure. Which metric should I read you off of.

[Bell]

Oh you think the other head in HP is Hectic?
I thought he might be but I'm terrible at reading for alts.

[Bell]

TBF, your argument that Muffin was suspicious because he hadn't voted anyone was perhaps the single most unhelpful analysis of 2020.
Muffin rarely votes, like, ever.

Really, why in the world would the scum team even care about you enough to kill Muffin this game.

[Bell]

Why does that seem logical?
Scum team: Oh no! Muffin might change his mind on gypyhx, we must stop this at once!
NK: Gyphx.

Good job team. We averted a disaster.

[Bell]

I think it's not logical for you to think the scum team think you're impactful in anyway and I don't know if it makes sense for you to think like that.
Have you read your own content this game.

Oh. so you think you're lhf, that the scum team killed muffin in case he changed his mind. That does not make sense.
That does not make sense at all.

[Bell]

There are plenty of people town reading you in this thread for at best, tone.
Killing Muffin because he MIGHT change his mind is insane.

[Bell]

He town slipped?

[Bell]

Can we not decide he's a mason before knowing he's a mason plz.
I wish he was a mason because that would make my life easier.

But I don't know that.

[Bell]

Sure. Question, when they died, wouldn't it have shown that their role had a macho feature or am I role noobing it up again?

[Bell]

So you're saying that because Gyphx isn't paying any attention to the game he's town.

[Bell]

Would somebody who knows they're not paying attention to the game actually speculate that Muffin died because he might have changed his mind on him from metaing him when there were plenty of others openly town reading him instead?

[Bell]

That's what I meant.
Is that really outside of anyone's scum range tho.
It's on the level of pretending somebody who died is alive which while fairly uncommon for scum isn't unheard of and requires almost no skill or effort to pull off.
it's even easier than that really.

[Bell]

Back to sleep zzzz

Have a good one.

[Bell]

Would somebody who knows they're not paying attention to the game actually speculate that Muffin died because he might have changed his mind on him from metaing him when there were plenty of others openly town reading him instead?

Gx is paying attention to the reads in the game because he's town but cannot follow the mech conversation because he's new(ish) to large themes and doesn't have a scum team helping him. I'm not calling him a potato an there is a distinction

-E

...Have you read his reads list.

[Bell]

Just focus on sleeping there's no rush.
And I'm not entirely sure if I'm surviving this day phase anyway.

[Bell]

Seriously *pushes HP out of thread*
get out of here and don't come back until you've slept a little.

I'm going to sleep soon.

[Bell]

I can't really imagine 6 scum players putting their heads together and reaching the conclusion that muffin was a stellar night kill.

[Bell]

Can annie even come up with this sort of complicated stuff as scum?
The best I can say about it is that Dunnstral could be right about it being a scum role.
But I also don't know why they would start out by pushing Dunnstral day 2 with that, unless Dandlion is scum together with them.

And I hate that sort of association stuff.

[Bell]

I think Gyphx is possibly faking town slips.
But that's pretty much it.

@Annie, mind sharing some of those town slips. I really need to just power read through this whole game again.

[Bell]

Like seriously,
there have been enough flips that I should be reaching better conclusions in this thread based off of Pisskop, Titus, me, Muffin being town.

sigh, I'm burnt out.

[Bell]

Did gyphx claim mason yet, if he didn't I'm voting there.

[Bell]

Also, Skitter needs to die. Not be turnstiled.
I don't know how many times I'm going to need to repeat this. Probably forever and this is going to be one of those I said what we needed to do but nobody listened games.

Well, that could be said for almost everybody this game I guess.

[Bell]

I guess I'm vying for the position of 'best reads on loss' at this point.
@_@
So far, I'm behind because of my shellyc tunnel.

[Bell]

With that out of the way

VOTE: shellyCombinedmailmanvanillacop

VOTE: Purple Room - Gypyx

God i'm so fucking tired to watch at the thread, gonna sleep

[Bell]

Limited Access till late thursday.

I hope you guys are doing all right and not stabbing yourselves with a fork.

[Bell]

I am reaffirming that I think we should elim Bell today

I want to figure out purple room and turnstile before voting. Actually, I think we should elim in inverse thread first too

Hi.
Stop sucking.
With love.

Town Bell!

[Bell]

Yeah, I have a bed bug problem at my grandparents.

[Bell]

I wanted to share that I had read a little of the beginning game again and came to the conclusion that Spiffeh was probably scum.
I also think Skitter is scum.

And would be fine with either dying and think they're both Red.
And I wish Dunnstral would stop failing to correctly read everyone.
Knowing that he's in a PT with Dandelion helps explain why his reads suck this game though since he has constant reinforcement for his bad reads this game.