TENET - Game Over

[Annie Edison]

I didn't buy too much into the messed up claim, but I remember agreeing when someone said she could just as well have been scum trueclaiming.

[Annie Edison]

Can you expand on Titus in your top tier? Anything in particular really make you feel good about that slot?

-E

I can maybe elaborate more later, but otherwise I'm just seeing a lot of town motivation from titus.

[Annie Edison]

sirius was also incredibly townie.

[Annie Edison]

oh god I have the memory of a goldfish who is stoned all the time

we both agreed the wagon was fucking awful. I haven't read more than a whole page at a time of the other thread since shortly after we inverted. probably scumled. I thought Noraa was scum, and I'm surprised skitter and superbowl are still alive.

[Annie Edison]

I did not. are we welcoming him with crumpets, or a noose?

[Annie Edison]

jk i shouldn't talk shit when I haven't read his thread in like 100 pages haha

but his posts were pissing me off big time around when we got wagonned

[Annie Edison]

I see you Deacon

yes I read the purple room summary, or one of them if there are several. I will take another look now.

[Annie Edison]

Brian would be lower on my list if I didn't trust notty

[Annie Edison]

I could be omgussy re:superbowl. most of what i remember is feeling extremely irritated and frustrated. did Tammy give any thoughts on the slot?

[Annie Edison]

putting aside balance, isn't turnstiling more players like supposed to be a fun minigame for town

I just think from a design perspective it's too convoluted in terms of the appeal of the setup to be a scum role, for town it's a little minigame activator and obviously meant to also help town slightly but mostly to probably be fun

I think the other thread has more paranoia about his role because of the turnstile in the purple room being a similar mechanic but I can't see why brian's role would be scum personally, I've already made my balance argument and in general "argument from fun" is not always correct but I also think I've found town brian now off play

-E

my read has nothing to do with roles

[Annie Edison]

I could be omgussy re:superbowl. most of what i remember is feeling extremely irritated and frustrated. did Tammy give any thoughts on the slot?

[Annie Edison]

I was responding to that wall, which doesnt say if they both felt the same way about superbowl

ok yes with the last line especially I guess some kind of consensus is strongly implied thank you

[Annie Edison]

not a terribly important question anyway

@Deacon did you have anything you wanted to ask me about thise reads or was it just to inform me?

[Annie Edison]

Thanks, bulge. Happy Holidays to you too!

@ffery- haven’t really discussed him but bulge and I were pretty much in the same spot re him from what he’s posted recently

I’m also not signing but it’s been majority me and bulge announces his presence

[Annie Edison]

Who is scum over here then pumba?

Idk how I feel about muffin anymore. I’m not really impressed with anything he’s said and wouldn’t be surprised if he did flip scum, but my guts saying he won’t

[Annie Edison]

The only reason Spiffeh is high in mine is trusting unwnd, so sure

[Annie Edison]

Who should I be killing then muffin

[Annie Edison]

I don’t hate it?

I don’t get LLDs push on deacon at all. I thought she was town because she was doing things and it made logical sense to be bored of playing follow the Cabd, but I really hate the “one scum in that pool”

If either WERE scum I think it’s far more likely Cabd snows the masses than ffery.

Ninja-
Like illicit Bork?

[Annie Edison]

I feel like most people that game were of the “it has to be Bork” with me chanting follow the plan

Meh.

[Annie Edison]

Bell can you make me a readslist? It can just be of this thread I want to see where your heads at.

[Annie Edison]

Yeah

You want to do a readslist too?

[Annie Edison]

I agree with the lurkerscum rationale that’s been pushed forward upon reflecting on my experience with him.

Gypyx would be making pisskop look like Cabd if gypyx were scum imo

[Annie Edison]

@muffin normal 2146

[Annie Edison]

@ffery it was how the read on me get. It used to be always outsourced and now that it’s not it feels out of place?

[Annie Edison]

I have deacon's blessing to start pushing harder at HP.
I'll go ahead and say that regardless of who scorp is an alt of, none of the people that I've played with play like this as town. Hes either intentionally altering his play or is scum here.

given how far my townread of you has slipped since yesterday, I'm not happy with you invoking my blessings. :/

ship please.

Spiffeh not to turn the question back at you but can you explain what you don’t like so I can reevaluate?

I really liked how in sync we felt and I felt his reaction to my split pt thing felt town

[Annie Edison]

Yeah.

It’s weird his read is so strong when he’s definitively said before he finds my playstyle inherently scummy in all my history with him. He mentioned it in illicit multiple times and that newbie he played with town me and scum bulge.

I expected more apprehension as he got used to reading me on his own? He hasn’t even mentioned any of your reads affecting his

[Annie Edison]

That was @ffery

[Annie Edison]

Cabds a stronger scum player than ffery. Sus me for saying it all you want but multiple people can back me up on that. I’m not saying he’s scum though, I’m saying they’re both town. IF one is scum it would be Cabd. But I think it’s not the case.

[Annie Edison]

@LLD- nothing concrete, but to explain in part of my townread (this goes for both heads) I found their paranoia of me very genuine and believable.

All I have for Cabd scum is tinfoil that I find highly improbable.

[Annie Edison]

Part one is about deacon part two is about Cabd

[Annie Edison]

See like I get people are scumreading hench

But I really agree with this string of posts

[Annie Edison]

@Cabd maybe I’m wrong? Time will tell.

[Annie Edison]

Make a call?

[Annie Edison]

I might not kick and scream against Titus too hard anymore. I could be wrong there.

Idk.

Hench can you walk me through your skitter thoughts (and how they’ve changed) throughout this day phase?

[Annie Edison]

Why were you pushing so much to get her over here then

[Annie Edison]

I also think fast food has already been outed who it’s referring to lol

[Annie Edison]

Yeah, yeah,

I see it now.

What was I looking at before then? Should I be concerned about it?

[Annie Edison]

What the fuck was that post

[Annie Edison]

The post Cabd and ffery are talking about

Gamma hydra

[Annie Edison]

I had them as super strong town before but that was a weird ducking post

[Annie Edison]

One of you should point out what’s wrong with that read on bell

[Annie Edison]

They literally said they were outing most of it

[Annie Edison]

Gamma hasn't even realized that I replaced Unwnd 9 days ago

I'm very interested in why he has this scumread on HP

This post made me laugh

[Annie Edison]

UNVOTE:

I was kinda hoping Cabd would elaborate more on muffin/bell

[Annie Edison]

Cautiously? Like I wouldn’t want to be in ELO with them but have no desire to go for them now

and idk? I admitted haven’t felt as good about bell today and muffin as I said I wouldn’t be surprised if he flips scum but my gut was saying town. It’s why I want to see what cabds seeing and put together what I’m missing?

[Annie Edison]

All good.

It’s my long day today but I’m off the next two.

[Annie Edison]

Also, I really see nothing wrong with the paranoia on me from
Annie. He’s not wrong that I can’t read the bulge, though In this game were I scum
I would probably be insisting that bulge post so that I can ‘be sure’ or something stupid like that.

It’s notsci that has the issue and i can find games where you say you find me scummy normally but it’s a lot of effort

[Annie Edison]

It’s a mixture of that and doing the same thing you’re doing with me :p (listening to the other side)

[Annie Edison]

I think it’s unfair to say I never had priority elims

But I suppose I’ve had them less on this side, yes

[Annie Edison]

If you have further thoughts on gypyx I’ll hear you out

[Annie Edison]

VOTE: bell

[Annie Edison]

I’m extending cabds vote for him atm bc I have no one I’d rather be voting atm

[Annie Edison]

Idk bell

I have tinfoil theories that I don’t want to think about right now, but they’re there

Lemme talk to bulge

[Annie Edison]

Did you explain why I should want Gypyx dead

[Annie Edison]

UNVOTE:

This is all well and good but I’m back where I started

[Annie Edison]

Dunn I think you’re listening to the devil on your shoulder too much

I could just be getting soft though

[Annie Edison]

Are you two still sure?

I’m doubting it more and more

[Annie Edison]

They dropped you a solid two tiers as the days gone on I don’t think it’s as fence sitty as you’re making it out to be

[Annie Edison]

It was both of them.

[Annie Edison]

I don’t think a gypyx lim flips scum at all, miss me with that

[Annie Edison]

HNNNNNNNNNG

[Annie Edison]

What happened to muffin?

[Annie Edison]

I’m talking about Spiffehs pool which iirc had muffin

[Annie Edison]

Cabd I’m going to need the longhand.

[Annie Edison]

VOTE: bell

[Annie Edison]

Skitters only a watcher over here and vt there

[Annie Edison]

I would ask if anyone tracked me or whatever but you’ll have to answer for that later

Nobody say shit. Notsci beam this over and don't let him have any other data.

[Annie Edison]

I'm still looking for the amendment. Why can't he be obnoxious about his crumbing like a certain other player?

Ouch

[Annie Edison]

I am the Lorax I speak for the weebs

[Annie Edison]

Yes, yes. Let the syrylicious flow through you.

[Annie Edison]

This is a weird fucking gamestate

[Annie Edison]

I get run up in the page 30-50 range and obvtown if you want to go skim it

But it’s concerning if you can see it from my play over here

[Annie Edison]

Bell the dark timeline really wants you dead

[Annie Edison]

personally I am of the mind that Bell really is just that easy to read and is town here. my own confidence in reading Bell tells me that the Data Overlords should find it even easier to see he's town, and the fact that they are imo entirely off-base here makes me paranoid of their motives.

[Annie Edison]

-buige

[Annie Edison]

That’s where nachotammy got theirs

Bork explains how to read me at some point too. It’s most likely a playstyle issue.

[Annie Edison]

Brian I’ll read that wall more in depth when I get time later

Probably while we drink pina coladas

[Annie Edison]

Hm.

I do agree the readflip in you is sketchy, and there’s a lot of mention of moon logic but I’m hard pressed to remember actual moon logic?

Mmm

[Annie Edison]

I liked that she’s doing things and there’s some fire behind her? But no I hated the dayvig and I hate the scumread on ffery

[Annie Edison]

Maybe it’s bias, lld. I’ve always been good at reading her and feel like she’s fairly obvious when she’s town? But I can’t expect the same of others I guess

Idk.

[Annie Edison]

Cabds probably going to come back later and yell at me to push it harder bell

[Annie Edison]

My main response to this whole debacle is feeling like Shikamaru

But yeah. I know it’s beating a dead horse but my paranoia is flaring up in both directions? Like both towards bell and the other two. I asked bulge and he thinks bell is town and my gut says bell is town too.

[Annie Edison]

@LLD, What can I do, aside from dropping my scumread on you, to make the game more enjoyable for you? We all play to have fun and I want you to have fun even if you think I'm a dumbass.

Titus the first time we played after I did what I did to you in Machina mafia, you were paranoid and I just kind of swallowed it and took it. I figured it was natural, gotta get it out of the system.

We're 2+ years later now and you're doing the same fucking play pattern, pretending you have a solid way to read me and using some kind of authority you have not earned from our prior experiences to speak on how i play as if you know that at all.

what frustrates me titus, is that you're not actually even scumreading me, you're scumreading the ghost of a player i'm not, and i can't really fucking argue with it or you.

you tell me "lld is like this, lld is liek that so she's scum here" and then i have to come in here and go "that's not true, that's patently false here is the evidence" but by then you've moved on to make more equally wrong but loud statements.

It's a tactic called "Never play defense" and I know you're a lawyer but i wish you'd stop literally playing like one.

you have yourself convinced of a truth, so now you're putting together a case to make it work, not the other way around is waht it feels

and that's hyper frustrating, because it's not even somehting i can make you stop. you go "oh look lld is playing so defensively" but as a townie i'm not going to let misinformation about me circulate and go unchecked because then people believe it's credible and the truth.

doing the same thing with unwnd. post an untruth, get checked.

so maybe, if you wanna know what i want, start taking your own fucking advice and decide who you are gonna kill in your own thread and stop talking out your ass as an expert on a player you have never successfully read even once from my recollection.

and my memory for mafia games is pretty fucking good

[Annie Edison]

I will not be voting for Brian sorry to disappoint

[Annie Edison]

Let the two people in waffling on the hardest try to wagon him?

Nah.

Ninja-
Lol

[Annie Edison]

Brian I feel like this “doctor must exist with lovers” thing seems like actual moon logic

[Annie Edison]

@Ffery am I crazy?

[Annie Edison]

Cabd isn't going to be happy with me but I think Bell has exceeded his scum range. possibly considerably. It goes way beyond my bucket thoughts about what parts of his town game he could be able to import in a quantum improvement of his scum game.

@notty can i unvote now

[Annie Edison]

VOTE: titus

For the time being

[Annie Edison]

Annie, could you maybe play mafia and not act like whatever the fuck it is you're doing with deacon's slot

-E

what are you on about

[Annie Edison]

like, "fuck bell so town shelly scum"
turns to
"fuck, deacon, is it okay to unvote bell?"

what sort of fucking progression is that. I don't even know if it's scum. it's more just... like, obnoxious

I'm sorry, I think I need like a sanity break from this game

-E

lmao check again, I was asking notty about the unvote

[Annie Edison]

That is what I do!

I was doing it less and caused a shit show

So I’m back to doing that.

[Annie Edison]

Which information exactly?

[Annie Edison]

annie

Turnstile too easy, scum motivated

Bell 180 too hard to buy for town

In other thread, skitter town, lld town, gamma scum, fire town, pisskop town, pooky town, peta scum, sb9 scum, a50 scum

There now I will sleep easy knowing I have fully enraged ceph to the point of no return

-E

Rephrase?

[Annie Edison]

My turnstile was- Annie Dandelion Deacon flavor skitter peta fire

I feel like just looking at that scum is in (skitter, fire)

[Annie Edison]

I’m not asking to figure out who you are but I’m curious

How do you and skitter normally do reading each other? Butt heads as town, accurate, etc?

[Annie Edison]

THeres a utr on skitter? WHy?

[Annie Edison]

dumb question did anyone explain why scum would buen a strongman on n ic

[Annie Edison]

VOTE: muffin

[Annie Edison]

I jus really hate this strongman n1 theory

but I'm weak to ate

[Annie Edison]

ALL the ate

bells in particular

[Annie Edison]

Im trying to figure out why the bell paranoia hasn't gone away

[Annie Edison]

muffin are you actually struggling to read me?

[Annie Edison]

hm. gif hydra and noddy hydra seem ok to me so far. fferycabd still not so much. bell's okish too

i am not read up on recent pages

have fferycabd figured out noddy is town yet or are they still pretending he could be scum?

This you?

I understand shitting on me for my play this game is the “in” thing but I know damn well you’re better at reading me than this.

[Annie Edison]

And this interaction is sketchy as all fuck.

[Annie Edison]

VOTE: bell

You want me to shared the quotes from before the first quote? They are all rvs.

So no, miss me with that shit.

[Annie Edison]

Oh, and by the way bell, fear is an emotion.

[Annie Edison]

Sorry was told I wasn’t doing things guess I have to prove them wrong

[Annie Edison]

Yes, I’m well aware how you read me.

So why are you passing it off like I’ve done nothing for you to read me off of?

[Annie Edison]

I just don’t get where town bell thinks it’s a good idea to pit town ffery and Cabd against each other, even if they were both incorrectly reading you

[Annie Edison]

Meh I can definitely see the second one hench

Can you elaborate more on the other two?

[Annie Edison]

Took you long enough

I guess I’ll revote Titus tonight? Idk

[Annie Edison]

The Shelly wagon at its peak was

Bell imperium us dunwnd Spiffeh

Idk if I believe that was an all town wagon.

[Annie Edison]

Working on it. I’m trying to look at VCA and see if that gives me some other angle here but it hasn’t, really. My biggest issue right now was if I think we really had a five town wagon on town? Even if we yeeted one, I’d still expect scum on the wagon.

[Annie Edison]

It’s also interesting Spiffeh was on both turnstiles whereas bell wasn’t on either and was on hench during pookys

[Annie Edison]

Im looking a our only main wagons and trying to draw conclusions with the little info w have so I can actually do things an have solid backing

[Annie Edison]

you don't think a d1 wagon with no counter is sketchy? Do you think scum just van it voted and let us eat oursElves alive?

Ninja
Im trying to do *something*

[Annie Edison]

wait a minuthe

Titus you are just a lover right

[Annie Edison]

I know. But I need somewhere to get solid footing, ive been playing on my back foot for a while. Not like fear of death jus not being assertive but I need to find my jumpoff point

[Annie Edison]

I can't just go "welp everyone is town" bc that's patently false.

So im seeing what jumps out.

[Annie Edison]

Annie, normally I would compete with you but I am not here. Part of it is trust. Part of it is reactions. Part of it is reasons.

VOTE: Purple Room Annie

Btw, SS and Deacon aren't S S

Why does this look like a crumbed result

[Annie Edison]

I'm not talking about SS

I'm talking bbout me.

[Annie Edison]

Hm. Okay.

[Annie Edison]

VOTE: titus

Fuck it.

[Annie Edison]

leashing you to a group of three

which you said no to

[Annie Edison]

:/

[Annie Edison]

I still don't think its brian.

[Annie Edison]

give me the short version please.

[Annie Edison]

not that I intend to not read a long version.

I juat don't want you to spend too long

[Annie Edison]

I reread D1 on our side overnight to try and get a better bearing on how I feel, but am going out of my way to avoid using “meta” to write off reads and not have to explain it in depth. I don’t have the time for as glorious a wall, but I did want to share my thoughts. I was particularly looking for the ways people interacted with our flipped town.

Muffin- 1301 (to prove a point). But onto actual serious read- I really liked muffin’s reaction to shelly’s claim where hes rattling off possibilities, I actually got decent solving feels. also see his point about his read on me, I just wanted to be a smartass and quote him townreading my posting.

Gypyx- 2486 is very interesting to me in context, talking about Shelly’s claim. It feels like perspective slipping almost, and this leads back to my earlier comments about scum having an amnesiac set. I know Dunn said he can’t hold a conversation in 2865 but I realy dont think its been a full conversation? Like that interaction with nachotammy was the closest to a full interaction I’d seen of gypyx.

Brian- 2577 is probably the towniest post I’ve seen all game. I dont think Brian tries to shut me down there and instead tries to keep me running. That and liking the pushes he has made this game. I kinda want to reread how the titus read went south too, but time is a finite resource.

Spiffeh- He has a weird trajectory for shelly. First off townreading, then when the wagon hits four he joined because all of his townreads were scumreading shelly and he was concerned he was missing something, and towards the end of the day pretty much resigns to sheeping the IC. I suppose this is a touch hypocritical, but it’s something that stuck out upon reread. He even goes on to say its his strongest scumread in 2732 which just feels off? To his credit, he did say he had the same “too many townreads” issue as everyone else but it is strange to go from “sheeping my townreads/IC” to “This person is my strongest scumread”. Also townping off of a Gypyx post where the post number is wrong? Im trying to figure out how I feel about it, as I looked at the post nearest it and it was rather underwhelming.

Spoiler: You know the drill

473 As of this point Spiffeh’s been defending Shelly a lot. We all get those reads, meh.

485 Admittedly Spiffeh says its not as strong as it’s been let on given the defense from Spiffeh.

1271 ends up voting shelly. There was some telegraphing before this, but it still feels weird.

1894 It’s essentially all a sheep read, which granted so was mine.

2653 Not liking the claim, cool, whatever, I get it.
2725, 2732 Not liking the claim and dip. Looking at it purely in isolation it feels a bit better, but it did not really feel as organic upon reread.

So, yeah. I was mostly looking at the wagon and trying to decide where would scum be in the votes, and Spiffeh seems like the most likely option.

Hench- I have liked some of the observations they pulled out upon reread- gypyx knowing about skitters claim bugged me too given how he was supposedly not caught up. I liked prodding Bell and I over the shelly wagon, and looking in retrospect it /was/ an awful wagon.

Bell- On reread I’m townreading the fuck out of him and am mad I listened to the other thread D2. I’m also increasingly skeptical of why they were scumreading him. I think its very interesting what went on the other side about how either Bell or Skitter must be scum but they just… gave up on it? Or are so locked on Bell being scum when he just doesn’t feel like it? Idk. I think its fair to say that the AtE is weird coming from Bell and the whole crumbing debacle is weird as well, but I feel like Bell was hitting the right tonal markers on day 1.

Dunnwnd- Still town. I liked unwnd’s posting and felt very solid solving coming from the slot. Dunn is more of the same and his D2 play was very believable from a town perspective. 2956 doesn’t feel like something scum notices and shoves.

These are not ordered, but if I was going to order them on strength it would probably go-
Dunnwnd
Brian
Bell
Hench
Muffin
Spiffeh/Gypyx

[Annie Edison]

I def misread that overnight

[Annie Edison]

Roleblocker

[Annie Edison]

I didn’t feel the need to say anything at daystsrt

[Annie Edison]

Yeah.

I need to step it up and stop being trash.

I’m not letting me use meta so I have to think of how to explain what I’m thinking which should help remove some of the issues we are having.

[Annie Edison]

I don’t think bell looks the same here as Pooky v FL

Do you want to go into more of the comparison you see?

[Annie Edison]

No, obtusebear

I’ve got my snark waiting very patiently

[Annie Edison]

Pretty sure it’s just gypyx

[Annie Edison]

Dunn was who I expected to die too.

[Annie Edison]

Ouch

[Annie Edison]

Upon review I was pretty unimpressed with Gypyx’s day one. Spiffehs stance around the Shelly wagon was rough but so was my own so it’s hypocritical.

Muffin kill is out of left field but fleeting memories think he was a gypyx pusher.

[Annie Edison]

1303

And said he was deferring to nacho

And he had townvibes from bulge

But sure, I chose to kill muffin instead of shoot at the obvious pr swap

[Annie Edison]

Ffery did you divine the answer to why I reverted or am I going to have to spell it out

[Annie Edison]

Where he was saying he wasn’t getting town vibes from me, but again was sheeping nacho

Why the fuck would I kill in the PoE pool at anyone unless I was positive they’re a PR?

[Annie Edison]

It wasn’t even a fucking push he just disagreed with me saying he should be able to read me what are you even talking about

[Annie Edison]

Dunn I have no idea I’m trying to subscribe to the Brian train of thought where I scumhunt individual people until I actually get something I can latch onto

[Annie Edison]

What are you referring to I’m confused.

[Annie Edison]

Spoiler: revert

First off, I’ve proven what I am. I have zero reason to go out of my way to share my results like I did.

But anyways, because this is what you’re looking for- I went to old me because day one fucking sucked. I dredged up a lot of old feelings from the before times and they hit me, that fucking wall of nacho yelling at me hit me and the Noraa wall too. I was a mess and I just wanted it to stop. Yeah I took my foot too far off the gas, And I leaned too hard into the appeasing side because I’m honestly just worried I’m going to do stupid Shit again. One of the things I’ve taken pride in since I’ve been back is taking care of game health and I’m like the number one reason this game is fucked so I’m also kinda struggling with that but trying not to think about it too much

Like, I understand this post is going to be called AtE but it’s not really a secret I struggled to keep my emotions in check in the past and I just got triple Molly whooped so yeah, it’s going to be tough to shrug off. You can read my posting for the rest of that night, I’m very clearly shaken up and I think it’s fucking ridiculous I have to even explain this.

Yeah I probably should have done more solving instead of just assuming it’s a 2020 scum team again yesterday. But I’m trying to get back into it now.

[Annie Edison]

Roll over and die

[Annie Edison]

Bell I’m talking about what I’m referring to when I talk about 2020 scum teams.

As much as I want to just say fuck this shit, I’m not going to.

Ninja-
It would have been in those people we’ve been clearing.

I have a pet read that I’ve been debating but given the way the kills shook out I don’t think is as likely.

I’m literally just trying to focus on scumhunting our side first to get my legs back under me.

[Annie Edison]

Was that my knee jerk?

I was having this weird paranoia you two were scum together

[Annie Edison]

Like I sure as fuck wish I had something better for you dunn. I reread explicitly and the two that stuck out were Spiffeh and gypyx.

[Annie Edison]

Hey dunn what did you think of HPs pt cop accusation? I’m trying to figure out how I feel about it given that they seem to be following enough to know what was going on there but not enough that they called me a fucking pt cop. There feels like a disconnect there

[Annie Edison]

I have my suspicions.

[Annie Edison]

Maybe.

The quote they put made it fairly obvious too.

Ninja-
I am focusing on this game only. I need to revisit my suspicions with more data and less abstract work drive thoughts

[Annie Edison]

Do you want me to give you the rundown or would you rather someone else

[Annie Edison]

D1 follow the IC yeet a lurker by sheeping bell bc annie kept yelling about it and nachotammy agreed
Turnstile pisskop and Pooky, pisskop bc nonentity=\= scum and Pooky was just kinda useless over here then did stuff over there
D2 yeet Titus, turnstile a50. I got cold feet over bell wagon and Titus wagon.

Claims on the table- Brian gives another turnstile, bell doctor over here.

[Annie Edison]

Do you think there’s someone causing you and I to keep having to smack down heads bell

[Annie Edison]

It seems pretty consensus I’ve been garbage

[Annie Edison]

Tell him to stop hiding and push me himself.

[Annie Edison]

@bork no they didn’t.

Bell and gamma started right sides.

Skitter and pisskop did not.

[Annie Edison]

I’m pretty much dead anyways today. Don’t really think anything I do matters.

I promised bell I won’t roll over and die so you’re going to have to play this one by the book, sorry.

[Annie Edison]

Hey ffery when I flip green rethink that tia

[Annie Edison]

Cool, dunn.

Least I didn’t target fucking scum n1

[Annie Edison]

I’m a tracking receiver who saw Dunn go to the other timeline n1, hence me making a big ducking deal over it given our lovely mod said that people stay in their own timelines only to then retract it and say certain roles can cross.

I originally thought it was dunn who was my pair.

Then I thought Shelly was fskeclaiming follower to hide that she’s actually tracker and was trying to make sure she wasn’t lying so I could actjallly save her D1.

Then I got the result n1. Cabd told me to hit the breaks so I did and I figured out Dunn’s a neighborizer. Given titus’s intro that I questioned her about at the end of day 2 I thought she was my pair which was why I was so hard townreading her, but when I figured out who it actually was my reason for reading her so strongly was gone so I sheeped Brian.

I’m not telling you my night two result only that they went nowhere.

[Annie Edison]

Why the fuck would you say that

[Annie Edison]

I get my results anywhere. In same timeline the tracker gets them too.

And Pooky went nowhere since dunn decided to just throw all that out therr

[Annie Edison]

And I literally just walked you through the reasoning behind my choices this game

And how the fuck didn’t you know that I know damn well your hood got the picture

[Annie Edison]

That’s also why I think scum pts are separate after shellys claim- i expect there to be parrallelz between town and scum power. I’m in a pair. Another pair is out there. I bet there’s a scum pair.

Ninja-
I don’t get why you’re asking me clarification questions that don’t make sense given we should be on the same page

[Annie Edison]

You’re right it could very well be a scum role.

But why the fuck would I as scum try to come over and empower a town PR to get their own results, when I could hide them and fuck with them?

[Annie Edison]

I went looking to try and figure out why they targeted you n1.

Targeting Pooky is a shit scum target too.

But no, I wasn’t really considering it early on.

[Annie Edison]

Because dunn I’m very clearly the most widely scumread person today and I have zero credibility so I won’t even be able to do shit off of my flip

[Annie Edison]

It’s more effective if I can quote stripe it but

A) Cabd is in that list ffery spoke of early on that would LOVE to have the feather in his cap of snowing her in a pt
B) I still feel like bell is town and I feel like Cabd is almost trying to isolate Ffery from us? Like encouraging her paranoia?
C) continuing off b, I hated how yesterday he went and brought up how his read on me was dropping WHILE OUR THREAD WAS LOCKED and then like 4 pages later went “well I wish this came up while the other thread was unlocked” because that was sketchy as fuck.
D) how the fuck can’t he see bell is town

[Annie Edison]

Also I’m using a lot of expletives today and prob need to rela. So sorry guys

[Annie Edison]

And I originally thought the VT kill n1 was to throw off the n1 purple room where they chatted about crumbz all night

[Annie Edison]

I’m going to bed tomorrow’s my long workday

[Annie Edison]

@Ffery- I’m not paranoid of you two because I think your paranoia timings felt genuine. Both of you.

I don’t feel his paranoia timing was genuine.

Ninja-
Hi Brian.

[Annie Edison]

Dunn I saw I missed your question but I have to go to work so I’ll get back to you

[Annie Edison]

No I’m not in a pt much like Shelly couldn’t tell you who their counterpart is.

I thought I had shellys counterpart pegged but recent developments have me doubting it.

And thanks for grabbing posts without grabbing the question I was answering.

[Annie Edison]

Essentially I think split scum pt bc-

I have a role that is split between two players. I know of one other in existence already.

I would expect there either to be scum in that pool of players, or a separate scum investigative that matches how the town investigative are gated.

If there is a scum pair they could just talk to each other during the day and negate the need to split it.

[Annie Edison]

Dunn I’m pretty sure I’ve explained the entire case sans the bell thing

But basically-
Claim soft issue- Hench somehow paid enough attention to know you’re in a neighborhood but not that you neighborized across threads.
Bell read- yeah, my read waver d2 was weird but as I explained before I really wasn’t up to srsbsnsing after day one.
Titus read- as I explained I originally thought Titus was my tracker, and thought the crumb they used to claim the lover was saying “yeah I know Annie’s role”
Scum PT invert thing- hench seems very convinced I’m trying to fake townslips like that’s not the cheapest ducking scum tactic ever

[Annie Edison]

Bell as I e said already review my day one play around Shelly and it’s very obvious I had a better understanding how the role she claimed worked than she did

[Annie Edison]

I don’t even think they are I just know this isn’t the first time I e had to argue it. I’m at work but can look later-

First time hench asked I basically answered “where’s the fun in winning off stupid shit like that”

[Annie Edison]

This games been really rough.

It makes sense.

It’s also why I’m increasingly paranoid over Cabd.

[Annie Edison]

I could vote superb.

[Annie Edison]

Interesting.

[Annie Edison]

I think Dunn’s pushing someone else’s agenda

I could be giving him too much credit but I don’t think I am

[Annie Edison]

Note I’m not saying he’s scum for it.

[Annie Edison]

... I’ve already outed who it is

[Annie Edison]

Cabd.

I tracked dunn to Cabd n1 and Dunn’s a neighborizer.

[Annie Edison]

It’s most likely a big part behind the bell push and probably a big part behind his push on me.

[Annie Edison]

Annie I think superbowl is wrong about Dunn. And I think he's intentionally wrong because he's scum.

I've been not wanting to interact with you this day because I felt like you were trying to aim AtE directly at me last night. Not my slot. Me. And I feel like you're trying to drive a huge wedge between Dandelion and me, coming out with your scumread on them.

I was explicitly asked why I reverted. It’s a shitty thing all around. As I said I don’t think dunn is scum. Even if I’m right on that thing you want me to drop I won’t be scumreading him.

Borks read was already paranoid and he hasn’t mentioned it since this all shook out but given how everyone else’s read has dropped I assumed his was too far gone. You have Cabd as a very confident read and my gut is going crazy.

Cabd.

I tracked dunn to Cabd n1 and Dunn’s a neighborizer.

Cabd crumbed this to me and anyone else paying attention yesterday with crumbs visible from high orbit.

Just stop this fucking paranoia-fueling if you're town.

Yes I’m aware it was incredibly obvious and thus don’t get why superb didn’t notice it. And why hench noticed it but didn’t think it’s weird it was a cross thread skill, but I was scum for it.[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12476306#

Aside did annie say why they were trying so hard to get to the other thread?

@annie

So I can confirm I am what I say I am, given how weak this role is I assumed both sides are green as it would be incredibly unfun to play if my other side was red.

[Annie Edison]

I’ll drop it for now Ffery. But be real for a minute, someone’s done way more paranoia fueling than me pointing it out.

[Annie Edison]

But yes this push from superb is the big dumb and won’t be going anywhere.

Then having me as second highest townread after forcing me to claim and the asinine wagon over in the barbarians?

Yeah. No.

[Annie Edison]

I would love for peta to come over here.

[Annie Edison]

I genuinely didn’t consider a “I get scum info” option until after Shelly claimed. But then I thought shellys claim sounded scummier,

I do question targeting Pooky and feel like it is a blurred enough line it makes sense.

Don’t get the dunn target though.

[Annie Edison]

Are you fucking kidding me skitter

I’m literally confirmed to be what I’m saying I am

[Annie Edison]

Hot take-

Spiffeh and bowl just swapped as scum

[Annie Edison]

Cut the fucking potshots peta

It’s old as fuck it’s been coming from half the ducking game, I get it you don’t like how I play well too fucking bad it doesn’t make me fucking scum and it doesn’t make me want to listen to you by doing it

[Annie Edison]

Given you still weren’t townreading me after your wagon, I flat out told you my iso was garbage post coming over here, it would make sense for you to keep saying to elim me.

You having me as second highest townread is sketchy

Ninja-
Oh I might have misread it my b then

[Annie Edison]

Cabds, and yours.

I reread over night and struggle to see where you started scumreading bell but iirc it was after he mentioned it.

While I was locked from posting I saw the same exact cycle start again with me.

Like I understand I could just be off a cliff like I’ve been all game but that’s the first time thing a have actually made sense this game.

I expected dunn and a50 to die though.