Mafia 83 - Game Ended Scum Win!

[Jebus]

Vote: Reclusion

Random-bandwagoning noob >:O

[Jebus]

@Yaw: I've read the topic once or twice since my last post, I've just had nothing to say. And yeah, I agree, this discussion is a failure -.-

[Jebus]

Random voting in a non-random voting stage stirs up controversy since it's abnormal.

We need something like that to spark discussion. -.-

[Jebus]

Lurkers bore me. And even worse, when there's so little to say that I'm reduced to lurking, that is just terrible.

@alvinz95 - Are you by chance playing in another game right now as well as this one?
@the random vote bit, people seem to think random votes are dumb after the first few pages, I don't quite get that >.<

[Jebus]

@MK - alvinz seemed to be sweating in his post at the top of this page, but that's not really worthy of a vote in my eyes.

A semi-educated guess as to this games mafia would be BM, Reclusion, and Yaw, though I doubt that'd really lead to much. I'm not exactly sure alvinz strikes me as maf, but meh, it's too early to tell.

@Netman - I have a cattle prod, pointed in your general direction. Post please >:O

[Jebus]

Which part?

BM just strikes me as a mobster, you seem a little anxious, and Yaw a little rambunctious. Why I'm not sure alvinz is mafia-ish, is because he seems like a nervous townie.

Again, it's too early to tell, a sample of only a few posts is useless -.-

[Jebus]

I only picked out people I was feeling scum from, three just so happened to be the number I used. Out of fourteen people, though, I'd actually suspect four mafia rather than three.

[Jebus]

Yeh, why the hell would you say who you thought was scum? I've never seen that before. Jebus has gotta be scum...

Just spitballing to get something going, I guess

I'm not used to slow games (with deadlines over five days), so anything to get things rolling is good with me.

@Yaw - Lynch all Lurkers sounds good to me, but lynching you seems just as good. In my opinion, that last post came over as scummy "oh yes, lets lynch all the lurkers because they're lurking".

The bandwagon part is valid, but the lynch is no good.


We really need a cattle prod >.<

[Jebus]

I didn't vote because I wasn't 100% sure of it. And I'm still not.

[Jebus]

I'm just ignoring iamusername's vote.

And I don't need to be 100% sure to vote, I just want to feel like I'm close.

[Jebus]

Vote: Hasdgfas

Aside from the fact that your name is hard to pronounce (>.<), you really strike me as scum. In particular (though no particular order):

Post 207+210+198 - Pretty much what Netman said.
Post 41 (and 43 as followup) - This is the first post that makes me think BM and Has are related in some way.
Post 170 - Seems faked to me. Could just be the mood of this search, though :/

Noted: Post 121+126 - Goes after Reclusion
Noted: Post 194 - A one liner that is both ironic and flat-out wrong.


So changing my list a bit, I think the mafia includes Hasd, BM, Reclusion, and possibly Yaw. And I'll probably look at BM in a little bit, and Reclusion/Yaw as well.

[Jebus]

I believe DGB refers to DrippingGoofBall, but I'm not sure. With the alt, they ask if this is another player name from DGB.

Yes, BM does that . That's why I'm a fan. You should know how many players see him as irritating .

Jebus, how is it scummy for cow to go after Reclusion?
What's wrong with cow asking BM what BM saw wrong with his posts?
You say that post 41 is the

first

post followed by post 43 in which you see BM and cow as partners. Are there any others?
Also if one of your points against cow is that he said the same thing as Netman, then what do you think of Netman. Besides why do you see that as scummy.

I never said it was scummy, I just noted it, as in it may be relevant later, though not so much now.
As for 41 (followup 43), yes there are others, which I'll post in a moment.
Also, I never said Cow said the same thing as Netman, I said that the reason for why those posts are scummy is pretty much what Netman said.

[Jebus]

BM:

Post 26 - Not much really, just anxiety. Eagerness to play because of good role, or just to play. I can't really count this at all, for that reason.
Post 31 (followup post 32+33+34+~35) - Introduces minor possibility of being a scum team with cow.
Post 169 - Refers back to Cow's post 95 > Seems odd in general.


Questions:
Post 52 - by your alt?


And in general, his posts just seem (I can't think of the word >.<)... inconsistent (?). I dunno. Weird in general.

[Jebus]

@Reclusion: That post is against BM. I still feel Cow is a better lynch, but meh.

Unvote

- I forgot to do this before

[Jebus]

Oh, and to make it count,

Vote: Hasdgfas

[Jebus]

Vote: Hasdgfas

Aside from the fact that your name is hard to pronounce (>.<)

Cow is fine.

'kay.

Post 207+210+198 - Pretty much what Netman said.

As far as I can tell, Netman was only saying that because he thought I didn't answer the question when I actually did. That just undermines his entire attack on me. In addition, it's terrible logic all the way through. In fact:

unvote, vote: Jebus

If you want the reason, it's because it's a lot scummier to agree with terrible logic than have the terrible logic.

Just in general the refusal to answer a simple question that you could have answered 'no idea' to, not all of what I said.

Post 41 (and 43 as followup) - This is the first post that makes me think BM and Has are related in some way.

So I answered a question. I wasn't totally sure it was directed at BM when I answered it, plus, it should have been directed at the whole town because BM wasn't the only person to think like that.

It's really has little bearing, since what you said could easily be considered as valid

Post 170 - Seems faked to me. Could just be the mood of this search, though :/

Me questioning a vote on me seems faked? what? mood of the search? What are you talking about?

@mood of the search - I thought you seemed scummy, so I was searching for posts to back it up.
@Faked - It just seems 'faked'.

Noted: Post 121+126 - Goes after Reclusion

Going after is a very strong term for what I did.

Strong or not, you still tried to go after Rec here. I don't think it has much relevance now, but it may later.

Noted: Post 194 - A one liner that is both ironic and flat-out wrong.

Ironic? what? And it was absolutely correct. Read his post again. It does absolutely nothing for the game. It's just a very long "hi I'm still here" post.

Flat-out wrong was pushing it, and meh, I didn't read Netman's post below. Disregard this part

So changing my list a bit, I think the mafia includes Hasd, BM, Reclusion, and possibly Yaw. And I'll probably look at BM in a little bit, and Reclusion/Yaw as well.

Please try to remember that A) we haven't even found 1 mafia member yet, B) not everyone who seems a little suspicious is scum, and C) just because people are talking a lot doesn't mean they're scum. Is there a reason you're looking at 4 of the more talkative people as scum?

A) I realize this.
B) I realize this too.
C)More talkative = more chances to strike me as scum. That, and my theory that at least one scum member is involved in the group of talkative people, if that group contains at least three people.

[Jebus]

Why, exactly is it the best we have to go on, Gnome?

Seriously, he subscribed to two totally contradictory lines of thought inside the space of one post, and has pointedly ignored all requests to explain himself for this. It's really overshadowing anything anyone else has done, and when he refuses to even make a defence, there's not a lot more I can say.

It's enough for me. There's rarely anything better to go on for day 1, in my poor experience.

Wanna explain/give reasoning beyond what iamusername said?

And at the contradictions, I have a tendency to make them when I'm not thinking while I type, or something like that. Confuzzling, really.

[Jebus]

I meant to say Lynch all Lurkers is good, but Lynching people who are just inactive is not.

[Jebus]

Honestly, I thought that after he voted me he'd sit the rest of the day out, or it seemed like he would anyway

[Jebus]

I meant to say Lynch all Lurkers is good, but Lynching people who are just inactive is not.

How would you go about determining the difference?

Checking the date the person in question last logged in, I guess.

[Jebus]

And I never voted myself :s

[Jebus]

What's the use in claiming in a normal game when the votes are on me?

Option 1: I claim townie. I still get lynched.
Option 2: I claim a power role (Doc/Cop). There's some hesitation, I still get lynched.

But since you seem to insist, I claim Doc.

[Jebus]

Option 1: I claim townie. I still get lynched.

If you were a doctor, how would this be an option? Why would you even be thinking about "options" for claiming?

I know that, as a general rule, you don't lynch claimed docs on D1, but I really want to make an exception here.

It'd be an option so that I'm not a night-kill target, though it leaves me more likely to get lynched.

And I'm not worried about being night-killed because I can protect myself.

[Jebus]

I assume I can, my role PM doesn't say I can't...

If it's not standard, then I guess that's how I'm used to having that played.

Asking MafiaSSK for clarification on that...

[Jebus]

Okay, turns out I can't protect myself. Damn.

[Jebus]

It's not stupidity, it's my not being used to how this site's games are played. It's like going from Japan's Baseball to America's Baseball, or something like that. Either way, there are many important details that are different between here and most of the other places I've played.

@Chaz - I've never held a protecting role before in any game I've finished.

[Jebus]

A doctor normally can't protect themselves on consecutive nights, or at least that's how I've always seen it played.

@Yaw - I've really not played too many games here (and not to mention, never been a doc), and I'm far from being accustomed to this site. So no, I've not seen that yet.

[Jebus]

Oooh, three days. We've got 72 hours left to post, now's not a particularly good time to be 'squeezing in' the last vote of the day. Heck, three days leaves enough time to do something. If you won't be able to get on before the deadline, then say so, at least :/

unvote

for now. Too much confusion going on now. I really can't say too much against BM, and I'm sort of interested to see Cow's 'moderately sized' post. Also, the general groups voting Netman and iamusername are odd/whatever.

[Jebus]

I like your case against Mr. Gnome moreso than anyone else.

Vote: Mr. Gnome

[Jebus]

@iam - I protected Chazworthington.

I still like the hascow vote, but I'm somewhat uncertain of that right now.

As for alvinz, I really don't remember seeing any posts from you with more than one line

[Jebus]

@Above: fair enough.

Vote: Alvinz

Claiming scum? (even as a joke?) What?

@iam - I protected Chazworthington.

Why me?

You seemed to be the one contributing and making most sense. That, and you weren't quite at the center of attention.

[Jebus]

Alvinz = Scum.

Vote:Alvinz

I think this is a good lynch..

Care to explain

why

?

[Jebus]

Vote: Panzer

Why is Cow a "Possible SK"? And where did you come up with the idea of a "possible SK" anyway? I'm pretty sure that after two days of one (stopped) kill and another kill (which happened to result in a lover dieing), there is no Serial Killer.

[Jebus]

There is no SK, I'm quite sure.

Night 1 - No kill, I saved Chaz.
Night 2 - A lover is killed, and his/her partner dies (which is part of the role).

No SK here :/

[Jebus]

@Chaz - I protected you again. I didn't really see anyone else of interest to protect :/

@Sk - I did miss Yaw. Bleh.

[Jebus]

Vote:Cow

possible SK

Nothing to do with Flavor. Let's just say I have Role info.

no..I had no info on Alvins. And I'm not telling you what claim it is but i'd appreciate if no one else claimed. Hasdgfas is not townie.

I'm not Claiming, and I targeted cow so i'm assuming the info is on you.

^All of Panzer's posts since Day 3 started, mainly for reference.

[Jebus]

I blocked Alvinz. I thought it wasn't as conclusize night 1. Especially because jebus proced some one random ass, i wasn't sure. I'm more sure on Cow.

Wait, what? This doesn't make sense to me (probably because of spelling errors >.<)

[Jebus]

Hear are some thoughts about players out of the spotlight at the moment.

Reading..

This is killa seven's only post since day 1. He had 7 posts on day 1. Killa, I want to hear your opinion about Panzer's claim.

HOS: killa seven

Chaz - I think he's now confirmed town if jebus flips doc. - Should we expect more than two power roles that can prevent kills?

Jebus - Why is he still alive? If panzer is telling the truth, does that confirm jebus?

Mana_Ku - no read at the moment

reclusion - on a four week vacation, too little information

xtomx - no read despite solid activity

Because I protected Chaz does not confirm him as townie. He could still be the SK, or any other third party role (eg. survivor).

I'm still alive probably because I'm still lynchbait <_<

reclusion was replaced, wasn't he?

@ The bit about two kill blocking roles - Doc + Roleblocker :/

Personally, I don't quite believe panzer, though it does hold a tad of plausibility. Rereading time.

[Jebus]

Either way, there's a good chance of Chaz being town. 3/14 are mafia, 1-2/14 are 3rd party. So 1-2/11 chance Chaz is 3rd party (as the SK or possible survivor).
And note the numbers are estimations, not definites.

[Jebus]

People jumped on Alvinz because he claimed scum and asked to by lynched. He even hammered himself. I don't think there'll be too much to gain from it :/

@qwints and Chaz: For today (and possibly the next few days as well) the SK is most likely going to act as a vig, and in that case, like a townie as well. The more townies that go, the more likely the mafia's kill (by chance, since kill is quasi-random) will hit the SK. I've got a pretty good idea as to who our SK is, as I'm sure some others do, which will limit our guesswork, but for now, let's focus on scum.

[Jebus]

@SSK: But everyone could be lynched if they got the right number of votes

[Jebus]

@Bionichop: Good analysis, though I don't really think Xotxm is scum.

As you've pointed out, I like the hascow vote, thought I still have a slight inclination to vote Reclusion, as I guessed in the beginning of the game (My thoughts then were Reclusion, BM, and Yaw. Yaw was correct, BM was not, leaving Reclusion. Hasn't been amazingly pro-town, which leaves the slight inclination).

And I thought I unvoted Panzer, anyway.

unvote

As for your inference that if I'm doc, Chaz is town: I'm also a part of the uninformed majority, I don't know alignments other than my own. Chaz could very well be mafia/3rd party (and I've got a feeling third party), though I don't mind protecting chaz agian if nobody else seems to be a scum target.

[Jebus]

Panzer, I'd like the your response to make enough sense for the average person, so I don't have to interpret what you mean, please.

Let me get this straight, first of all. You are a roleblocker, right? You say Hascow is scum/SK because you blocked him N1 and there was one less kill? But wait a minute... you replaced Netman after the block was made (

and mod, would you have given a replacement the info of who the person they replace acted on (aside from a cop?)?

), then how would you know?

After that, anyway, who did you block N2?

[Jebus]

It wasn't included in the switch from night to day, it came about five posts after the morning scene, which is why I completely discredit Xotxm's theory.

[Jebus]

Mass prod seconded.

[Jebus]

Vote: Panzer

I'm tired of waiting. And I went back to count up myself, there are 3 votes on Panzer right now. (Myself, Xotxm, Bion).

The hammer, as SSK said, is at 5 votes, so Panzer's at L-2.

[Jebus]

Okay, L-1

Panzer, get the fuzzies over here please...

[Jebus]

And problems arise from this -.-

Since we need Panzer specifically to answer this :s

Should we postpone our go on Panzer and go after someone else in the meantime? I fell Chaz may be a trustworthy person at this certain moment, so let's start there.
Chaz's alignment possibility:
1)Mafia (assuming mafia did not kill night one)
2)Town (If mafia attempted kill night one)
3)3rd Party (If mafia attempted kill night one)

It's statistically more likely that it's the second or third one. That, and I doubt the mafia could afford to not kill.

If Chaz is town, or third party, the goal would still be to lynch mafia, as Chaz said earlier.

Chaz said Mana and Cow on page 19 looked suspicious. I prefer Cow. Any thoughts?

[Jebus]

Yeesh, we're two days from deadline. Don't unvote so we can at least lynch Panzer should we hit deadline with nothing decisive :S

[Jebus]

Because of the case I made against him way back, supported heavily by that, I guess.

[Jebus]

Well done, bionic. Had me fooled, thinking hascow was scum as I did all along.

Called Yaw out, though xD