PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Alisae]

i townread you because the both of you seem super sweaty and thats usually town indicative.

[Alisae]

This isn't a red flag?

No, but since nobody thinks they're town, let's get them out of here

Y do u scumread us

[Alisae]

It's delusional for you to think I didn't plan for a bus this game, though. I bus every game I'm scum with Mastina in it.

Okay, but like:

Spiffeh

(1): Dunnstral

This is the only possible earliest-stage bus.

Dunnstral

(2): pichu, Ydrasse

Ircher

(2): Netflix and Chill, Spiffeh

This is the next possible bus point, Ydrasse bussing Dunnstral or Spiffeh bussing Ircher. (Or Dunn on PBE, missed that.)

Polar Bear Express

(3): mastina, Dunnstral, Creature

Dunnstral

(1): Ydrasse

Solstice

(1): Spiffeh

This is the next one, with Dunn still on PBE, or Ydrasse still on Dunn, or Spiffeh on Solstice.

So far, the only one of these that looks like it would be a serious bus would be if Dunnstral bussed PBE, which I don't think he was. Otherwise, these wagons don't do much.

Polar Bear Express

(2): Creature, Toogeloo

Dr Easy Bake

(2): Dunnstral, Bell

Solstice

(1): Spiffeh

Ydrasse

(1): Ircher

This is the next possible bus point. Dunn hopped off of PBE but Toogeloo hopped on--replacing the Dunn-bussing possibility with the Toog-bussing possibility. However, more likely than either is that one scum went on when the other went off and that the wagon is on town.
DEB could very well be a bus here, with Dunn and Bell both there tho, that I'll acknowledge.

Ircher

(6): Solstice, Netflix and Chill, MURDERCAT, Bell, Polar Bear Express, Toogeloo

Solstice

(1): Spiffeh

Ydrasse

(1): Ircher

This is the next possible bus point, with Ircher as scum, with one scum confirmed on the wagon (Bell) and any number of possible others--Solstice/PBE/Toogeloo. But overall, it looks more likely that Ircher is town here.

Ircher

(6): Solstice, Netflix and Chill, MURDERCAT, Bell, Polar Bear Express, Dr Easy Bake

This is the next possible point of bussing, if Ircher is scum, replacing Toogeloo with DEB.

Solstice

(6): Dunnstral, pichu, Double the Trouble, Not Known 15, Netflix and Chill, Spiffeh

Ircher

(3): Bell, Dr Easy Bake, Solstice

This is the next possible point of scum bussing, if at least one of Dunn/Spiffeh is scum and Solstice is also scum. But this looks more like scum taking advantage of a flashwagon on town.

Polar Bear Express

(2): MURDERCAT, Toogeloo

Bell

(2): Ircher, Double the Trouble

Spiffeh

(1): Bell

This is the first possible point of bussing, and at this stage, sure, probably is some! But if given the choice between "Toogeloo bussed PBE", "Ircher bussed Bell", and "Bell bussed Spiffeh", the last by far looks more likely than the other two.

Bell

(5): Ircher, Double the Trouble, pichu, Solstice, Ydrasse

By this point, Ydrasse and Solstice are possible scum bussing, but the wagon still felt pure at this point.

Bell

(6): Ircher, pichu, Solstice, Ydrasse, mastina, Toogeloo

Gee, I wonder who the scum bussing Bell here would be???

Bell

(7): Ircher, pichu, Ydrasse, mastina, Polar Bear Express, Dr Easy Bake, Double the Trouble

And here it is possible DEB is scum bussing, I admit that. Due to the whole double-detective claim, and all that. (PBE is possible, but less likely.)

Bell

(8): Ircher, pichu, Ydrasse, mastina, Dr Easy Bake, Solstice, Polar Bear Express, Bell

Dr Easy Bake

(1): Dunnstral, MURDERCAT

Well, hey, scum bussed scum for sure as Bell voted Bell.
Otherwise, only scum bussing possible is Dunn bussing DEB (possible I admit), or PBE/Solstice/Ydrasse/Ircher bussing Bell (doubtful), or DEB bussing Bell (possible I admit).

So overall: bussing? Not something which looks particularly likely here overall, by and large.

Pooky has a votecount or 2 in his ISO that I asked him to post.
Even looking at those those indicate that all town was being wagoned to me

[Alisae]

We were probably going to do Noraa today and then it was going to be mastina/spiffeh

I was so panicked when I died I thought ywall might have let spiffy endgame

[Alisae]

like for some absurd reason I decided that flipping mastina > spiffy first was a good idea because i decided to locktown spiffy for no real reason on N3

i was panicking so much but like fl doesn't have that many options and honestly the more the game went on that the more fine it was.

[Alisae]

i mean i feel like if i saw mastina flip town and was alive for it, I woulda probably been like "LOL its just spiffy noraa then"

[Alisae]

like for some absurd reason I decided that flipping mastina > spiffy first was a good idea because i decided to locktown spiffy for no real reason on N3

i was panicking so much but like fl doesn't have that many options and honestly the more the game went on that the more fine it was.

FUCK I didn't wanna kill you N3 just to keep the WIFOM angle open but we ultimately decided you were the most dangerous mason

I would have been sussed out eventually based on my play though

i mean you're right
i probably am the most dangerous mason
d4 would have been super controlled and scum would have no room to do anything and town to use the supersaint to flip town. I would have probably tried to get mastina flipped with that and had I succeeded i don't see how you can win.

Honestly in the dead PT I was basically saying that it comes down to you v Ircher

[Alisae]

I'm not sure how obvious it was but the poe d1 was my idea

[Alisae]

i mean flareon is just a really good player what can I say

[Alisae]

but ya honestly
I don't know how polar bears went undetected by so many players for so long

I don't know if that a me thing or if thats an everyone thing but also everyone kept scumreading toogeloo when masonry was like "lol no that slot is never scum"

[Alisae]

I'm excited for the mason PT!

we used discord mostly its not as exciting as you might htink it would be but I have some drafts of me casing you dunn and polar bears

[Alisae]

noraa I felt like you overplayed a lot of buddying and your fluff d1.

[Alisae]

thats what was pinging me when pooky came in d1 was like
"lol why are you guys townreading noraa"

[Alisae]

noraa I felt like you overplayed a lot of buddying and your fluff d1.

didn't know what else to do. I can't do regular solving in a plist like this otherwise I die day 1.

you just don't get drafted thats what you do

[Alisae]

Mason PT is a discord.

Also, for those interested there is a future game with me being scum and Alisae modding. The town stump has been decided too but I wasn't sure what name they'd be on.

btw i want to add some modifications to the verus rules but we can talk about that later.

[Alisae]

I really wanted to see how a draft of Me/Norwee, Spiffy, Notty/Brian, and Creature plays out though.

[Alisae]

The main problem was that the people we were planning to throw at the rope were all masons....

By design

Yes this was by design
I wanted myself in the headlights because thats how I was able to function
Creature I don't know what was going on there but Murder was being slightly more scummy than usual

[Alisae]

I think this deserves a game of the year nom. It was really fun all-around and I didn't see any issues. It still qualifies for this past year, right?

I don't remember what we decided on this or not in the SSC tbh.
Go nom it and we'll decide later.
I feel like it would be weird to have this game be apart of the 2021 scummies season when this is an 2020 game and we gave a week extra of time to let people get last minute noms in and to let games that are almost finished finished.

[Alisae]

this game 100% deserves a game of teh year award tho
some of the best play on site came from this game tbh, both some good play from town and good play from scum.
Gloria had a really good D3 its just a shame that the masonry really wasn't buying it (tho I think they almost were)

[Alisae]

btw so I have a draft typed up of basically me explaining my thought processes when it comes to teh game and how I approach it
that's coming to MD soon.

pedit: The supersaint enabler felt suuuuuuuuper overkill tbh.

[Alisae]

multitasking ascetic alien is strong
so is the supersaint

but why does town need an informed multitasking player
why does town need a supersaint enabler

[Alisae]

there was a roaming doctor too holy shit

[Alisae]

ya mastina was in her townmeta

idunno i just got super paranoid that she was scum with the goal of trying to pocket me and norwee because I see that being super realistic coming from scum!mastina especially given how she built it up

[Alisae]

We needed toog to die today for a possible win.

masonry was never going to let that happen they were not interested in that slot and tbh my problem with the current site meta is I don't understand how town was super okay with letting that slot be on the table for so long when they were always really townie and got even more townie as the game went on more and more.

[Alisae]

but for real tho
if we actually decided to turn on our brains we could deduce that DEB's fakeclaim was fake and not kill dunn but masonry was super tunneled on that slot and we really wanted to flip it.

[Alisae]

I think if that was the setup, though, Dunnstral, Solstice, and Toogeloo would have all been fades. Solstice wasn't being town read when we were going to guilty them.

hard disagree

[Alisae]

if you actually claimed the guilty on solstice we kill deb we never trade solstice for deb w/o flipping deb first

[Alisae]

dunn would have been a ml regardless tho I think
maybe

[Alisae]

honestly FL,
you either draft hectic in this setup or you draft players like ydra or MT and hope you can coach them to fool hectic

[Alisae]

I think spiffy hectic and maybe mastina are the most viable first picks on teh table

[Alisae]

noraa its ok you'll be town eventually

[Alisae]

I had bell pegged as scum or mason I wasn’t sure which

I had Ali hydra as mason

Brian had murder as mason

what gave it away

[Alisae]

i mean i only wanted to do draft spec because I feel like I have a good understanding of the draft

[Alisae]

also drafts are fun

[Alisae]

I didn't want to draft spec because I thought I was FL's obvious first pick and would have preferred people not knowing that

PEdit: and they are boring

i mean again he only really has 2, 3 if oyu wanna stretch it.

[Alisae]

@ali- how day one was headed from Pooky doing his masons work/I thought it was likely he put masons in the pool early on

tisk tisk tisk
i thought that was a big brain 400 IQ play that no one would figure out

[Alisae]

norwee thankfully you weren't a player in this game aside from you wanting to kill battle mage

[Alisae]

norwee's only contribution was a miselim KEKW

[Alisae]

what a criminal

[Alisae]

FL vs Ali or FL v MathBlade?

[Alisae]

Gloria you were fun to play with

[Alisae]

Gloria you were fun to play with

<3

Thanks I would have really loved to have been a mason though.

who doesn't tbh

[Alisae]

being masons with you woulda been interesting

[Alisae]

being masons with you woulda been interesting

Definitely. We could always hydra at some point too. Masons are my favourite town role.

if u find a game thats appealing let me know.
I don't play opens tho

[Alisae]

I don't play in the open queue*

[Alisae]

Tbf Alisae thought you were scum for some reason prior to death.

i got paranoid over mastina pocketting me and i got paranoid over mastina's d3 and thought if spiffy was town she was scum
it happens honestly

[Alisae]

man its like
i know i should have been reading mastina town non-stop throughout this whole game but the paranoia man it was eating me ALIVE

[Alisae]

brian we should hydra together tbh

[Alisae]

I actually didn't pick Spiffeh because of Xenoblade. It was a bold choice, though, but Alisae has a tendency to give up, and Mastina's better off being a lone scum and reacting, so that's why they weren't picked.

Bans happen too, of course.

Conceding is like folding in Poker

[Alisae]

I mean they have no way to know 3 but even if 3 is true that doesn't really change anything tbh.

[Alisae]

I mean if I was the vig in that scenario I would always try to shoot not DEB but someone else.
Keeping the supersaint alive is good