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[Cook]

VOTE: geraintm Name above me in the playerlist.

Hello, everyone! I recognize Polaris from my Newbie and a few others here from just around.

Anyways, some early-on analysis:

are you a simple rolecop?

• Simple Rolecop = Vanilla Cop + Cop, right? Also, this is entirely a guess – let's not take it for facts yet.

forgot I even fucking signed up for this koba baited me into doing it I have to read the rules again

is this game closed? yes I am forcing a dumb tell

is there anything else about it?

• Get baited. Anyways, that sucks.
• "Forcing?" Also, feel free to take a wild guess.

yes

Hi everyone!
VOTE: Cook

• Hi!

Hi everyone!
VOTE: Cook

VOTE: polaris

??

• Meh probably nothing. I have a feeling that Polaris and DkKoba get into a fight but neither gets limmed right now.

VOTE: polaris its an rvs vote why so scared

• Fair point but again I don't think it's anything.

[Cook]

Well hello Prince Zuko. Nice to meet you.

[Cook]

Maybe let's knock off a few Mafia before they start balancing out the numbers hey?

[Cook]

like sure our fluff also has none but that's just like another weird post from you

So why care? (rhetorical, don't expect a response)

Anyways, to "real" business. Who hasn't posted yet?

[Cook]

[Cook]

Therefore, only I get to say that I am here for Koba. You, on the other hand, can still prove me wrong.

You're wrong.

[Cook]

i am 12 and this is funny

Wait but your bio says double that

VOTE: DkKoba for lying about their age in the wrong way

[Cook]

why did u imply u wanted to push past RVS then revert right back to an RVS vote?

had to capitalize on the joke

NOW

UNVOTE: DkKoba

My votes from here on out will be intellectual and calculated for maximum chance of hitting scum

[Cook]

And also another question: why do you care who hasn't posted? Why ask?"

Don't feel like checking myself.

Why ask? According to a personal theory with literally no statistical basis, in every group of Day One late posters, there is always one scum. Therefore, instead of taking wild guesses at each other for stuff we've done, instead, we can take wild guesses at a smaller population sample, and then we have evidence based on who hammered and can ISO dive them and scrutinize.

It's planning.

[Cook]

And before you say that doing that strategy will simply contradict my "intellectual votes" promise, it won't. Since it has a scientifically proven* basis behind it, we can be sure at least one of them is scum.



*asterisk provided free of charge by the Online Punctuation Board

[Cook]

question: if you are being "sheeped" does it mean you are following someone or does it mean you are making people follow you?

[Cook]

I agree.

DK, if you think Trendall is scummy (also for my reference), why not vote them yet? What is the strategy behind withholding one's vote?

[Cook]

Hey pals, it's me- FACEBONES please, hold your applause.

Who is Trendall?

Polaris, sorry. Name from a newbie referring to a different player. FOR REFERENCE, I MEANT POLARIS.

[Cook]

Silence, condemner.

[Cook]

That's either a massive town slip or just someone who keeps a notes PT

[Cook]

I keep a lot of notes pts

Bugspray could have lied and apologized for a townslip but they didn't which even further increases my belief they are town

[Cook]

This is a table?

Also I'm not really sure why I'm being wagoned. Can someone explain? All I'm seeing is "I'm ascetic bulletproof day rolecop and cook is scum" and bugspray relentlessly attacking me on almost no basis.

[Cook]

I call playerlists tables, old habit from epicmafia.

Noted. That'd be a neat flavor for a normal.

This is a table?

Also I'm not really sure why I'm being wagoned. Can someone explain? All I'm seeing is "I'm ascetic bulletproof day rolecop and cook is scum" and bugspray relentlessly attacking me on almost no basis.

That post was a clear joke I’m not sure why you’re being wagoned either. But I’m not completely hating it so I’m staying put for now.

How come you're not hating it? I've tried to be constructive – was it something I said? Do you want my reads? Is this just a random Day One lim and I should start signing up for another game?

[Cook]

Also for the same reason as egix, I'm voting VOTE: nopointinactingup

pedit for post 119: From my

one game

of experience, when two people start talking about each other early on it their "friendly conversation" drives the thread for the next like six pages and then neither one gets eliminated since it's so blatantly obvious they're both uninformed.

pedit #2: Give me a second to read so I can post a full thing but some initial ones:
• Bugspray, despite attacking me a lot, feels very Townie.
• DkKoba doesn't really seem to be taking the game seriously right now but I think that's how they play.
• Esooa... complicated but I'm not sure what to think.
• Nopoint is scumlean for me but really because I don't have a strong read on them besides not really contributing. Perhaps lurking and using votes to stay "active"?

pedit #3: when did she claim PR? doing iso right now but i need to get this post out so i can stop pediting.

pedit #4: sure, why not.

pedit #5: i'm gonna stop pediting now

[Cook]

pagetop

[Cook]

I'm gonna trust DkKoba's information on meta right now.

The only meta on me isn't going to be much help. If you want to scrutinize it, go ahead, otherwise, my meta might be more applicable once I start playing more games.

[Cook]

GOOD MORNING, MAFIASCUM! WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PRIZE BOUT BOILING ON MNTV – AND IT'S BETWEEN TWO CHAMPION FIGHTERS

IN THE RED CORNER, WE HAVE

Dk

Ko

b

a

!

AAAND IN THE BLUE CORNER, WE HAVE

ESOOA!

THIS ONE'S GONNA BE INTERESTING, LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES!

OUR REF, ANDRESVMB IS RUNNING OUT OF THE RING, AND *bell dings twice* THE FIGHT BEGINS!

[Cook]

GOOD MORNING, MAFIASCUM! WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PRIZE BOUT BOILING ON MNTV – AND IT'S BETWEEN TWO CHAMPION FIGHTERS

IN THE RED CORNER, WE HAVE

Dk

Ko

b

a

!

AAAND IN THE BLUE CORNER, WE HAVE

ESOOA!

THIS ONE'S GONNA BE INTERESTING, LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES!

OUR REF, ANDRESVMB IS RUNNING OUT OF THE RING, AND *bell dings twice* THE FIGHT BEGINS!

Cook this is actually instigating a fight, I’m going to guess between Townies, and actually Scummy behavior. You have any comment on that?

Fight was being fought before I "instigated."

How do you know it's a T/T fight? Scummy. And in this case I don't think tu quoque applies, as scum must lie, so, therefore, their reasoning is incorrect.

VOTE: Andresvmb

Can we get a votecount?

[Cook]

You did get pagetop AND an even hundred though.

[Cook]

VOTE: Esooa

PLEASE just SHUT UP for once. Arguments are only going to inch us closer to deadline and means more wasted time not scumhunting.
This game will go better if you aren't part of it, you understand? Same thing goes for you too Dk. Stop talking about each other and start talking about the game.

If you're looking for scum, here it is.

My Reads

Scum

(-5, -4),

Scumlean

(-3 to 0),

Null

(-),

Townlean

(0 to 3),

Town

(4 to 5)

Andresvmb

,

Prince Zuko

,

Facebones

,

DkKoba

,

Esooa

,

nopointinactingup

,

bugspray

,

Jim Hawkins

,

geraintm

,

Cook

,

RLotus

,

Egix96

,

Polaris

Nullpoint right now:

-0.5

.

Spoiler: What I Mean By All Of This

• Those numbers are ones I'll be referencing when I'm talking about changing my reads. The lower the number the scummier you are.
• The "nullpoint" is roughly where I gauge all my null reads at.

Post 263 and on bump DkKoba from a 2 to a 1 due to anger behind the post.

Nullreads better start posting more.

[Cook]

why do u scumread esooa so much? I think she is null here so far, which is where my frustration lies.

I want to flip her is the short answer. It's closer to a 3.5ish thing so it's more on the low end of my reads but I still just want to not deal with her.

[Cook]

Also on this entire subject I'm taking a break from this thread to regain my composure.

[Cook]

actually cook, let me see you elaborate on why:

esooa is scum

andres is null

bugspray is a townlean

nopoint is scumlean

• again, really am sick and tired of arguments that are going nowhere.

• at first i thought andres was scum but then he said something somewhere that I'll dig up in a moment that like reversed all of that

• at first i thought bugspray was town but then that entire chain of flaming reversed a good portion of that. also, because they haven't acted townie.

• only has voted and posted two-sentence justifications. more content = less scummy right now.

pedit: apparently i'm not allowed to make a heavy scumread to try and get a policy elimination. live and learn.

pedit2: irl and also because watching people argue is taxing for me.

and now i shall take my leave

[Cook]

If all you want to do is provoke a fight, then this is how you achieve it. If you actually want to figure out who is Scum, I suggest you drop this kind of nonsense.

Basically not entrenching into the argument and trying to break it up.

[Cook]

UNVOTE: Tris

Don't intend to keep a vote on a fresh replacement.
Tris reverts to a 0 (null) read.

[Cook]

It was a read to try to get a policy elimination.

I'm not really sure why I did it either. I won't use reads to do that again, either in this game or in any future.

Also, yes, when a new person comes in, I revert a read to null. I feel like this is fairly-self-explanatory, but if not, I can explain.

pedit: because one of them had to be scum and one of them had to be town and I was more confident in Koba.

why is anger scummy? why

isn't

anger scummy? this is a game. why get upset about it?

pedit2: okay. not really sure what the significance of that is but okay.

[Cook]

Huh. I seem to be quite popular.

[Cook]

Also, yes, when a new person comes in, I revert a read to null. I feel like this is fairly-self-explanatory, but if not, I can explain.

sure. go ahead.

pedit: because one of them had to be scum and one of them had to be town and I was more confident in Koba.

why does one of them have to be scum?

why is anger scummy? why

isn't

anger scummy? this is a game. why get upset about it?

welcome to https://forum.mafiascum.net/

is it more likely that scum would be angry?

PEDIT: what bugspray just said

1. Replacement play slots differently, so I don't want to base my reads off of how someone else who is no longer playing is playing the slot. Separate the player from the role they play when a replacement happens until they start to engage.

2. Too off-the-cuff and not very orchestrated, which would indicate town-on-town, but then in that argument, neither one backed down despite anyone else posting anything that might confirm the other one as Town, thus leading me to believe one of them had to be scum who could no longer back down without risking a vote.

3. Thanks. Scum might be collected, but they might also be trying to propagate a fight and waste valuable scumhunting time.

[Cook]

Yes we're voting you for president!

COOK 2020 -

MAKE MAFIASCUM TOWNIE AGAIN

Pedit: text wall from Jim Hawkins. That's actually some solid logic.

Jim Hawkins read goes to a 3.5.

[Cook]

Yes we're voting you for president!

COOK 2020 -

MAKE MAFIASCUM TOWNIE AGAIN

Pedit: text wall from Jim Hawkins. That's actually some solid logic.

Jim Hawkins read goes to a 3.5.

[Cook]

double post, huh

[Cook]

Can we take a quick out-of-game moment to appreciate how cute these baby animal pictures are?

[Cook]

Spoiler:

My Reads

Scum

(-5, -4),

Scumlean

(-3 to 0), Null(-),

Townlean

(0 to 3),

Town

(4 to 5)

Andresvmb, Prince Zuko, Facebones,

DkKoba

,

Esooa

,

nopointinactingup

,

bugspray

, Jim Hawkins, geraintm,

Cook

, RLotus, Egix96, Polaris

Nullpoint right now: -0.5.

Spoiler: What I Mean By All Of This
• Those numbers are ones I'll be referencing when I'm talking about changing my reads.

The lower the number the scummier you are.

• The "nullpoint" is roughly where I gauge all my null reads at.


Post 263 and on

bump DkKoba from a 2 to a 1

due to anger behind the post.

why do u scumread esooa so much? I think she is null here so far, which is where my frustration lies.

I want to flip her is the short answer.

It's closer to a 3.5ish thing

so it's more on the low end of my reads but I still just want to not deal with her.

@cook

two things pop out for me.

why was esooa the scummy participant in the argument while koba was townie?

It was a read to try to get a policy elimination.

I'm not really sure why I did it either. I won't use reads to do that again, either in this game or in any future.

Also, yes, when a new person comes in, I revert a read to null. I feel like this is fairly-self-explanatory, but if not, I can explain.

pedit: because one of them had to be scum and one of them had to be town and I was more confident in Koba.

>The lower the number, the scummier
>Esooa is closer to 3.5
>DkKoba went from 2 to 1
>You were more confident in Koba being town

Can you explain this please? It seems a bit contradictory.

Also, Why try to policy elim Esooa when you think they're more towny than DkKoba? Just doesn't make sense to me.

okay ignoring the rest of that why would you want a policy elim this early into d1

This still requires an answer.

Supposed to say NEGATIVE three point five.

Also, I wanted a policy elim to shut one of them up so we could get back to scumhunting.

[Cook]

Scum might be collected, but they might also be trying to propagate a fight and waste valuable scumhunting time.

Considering 173 this seems a bit rich coming from you.

Note how Esooa and Dk were already arguing beforehand, and I clearly marked that as a joke post following.

[Cook]

Scum might be collected, but they might also be trying to propagate a fight and waste valuable scumhunting time.

Considering 173 this seems a bit rich coming from you.

Note how Esooa and Dk were already arguing beforehand, and I clearly marked that as a joke post following.

What was the reason you wished the fight to play out?

Both to draw attention to the fact that there was a fight happening to lurkers and to the participants themselves (you and esooa) to try and point out it might not work

once the gears of debate started turning, though, there was no stopping them. Just had to let the argument run its course and hope to glean information. I still didn't really want to have that fight go, but since it was, might as well take note of it.

[Cook]

one sec

[Cook]

why do u scumread esooa so much? I think she is null here so far, which is where my frustration lies.

I want to flip her is the short answer. It's closer to a 3.5ish thing so it's more on the low end of my reads but I still just want to not deal with her.

so was this not fully true?

i'd like an answer to this bit

what exactly do you want an answer to? I made a newbie mistake — trying to "scumread" someone to get them policy elimmed.

[Cook]

cool so what are ur conclusions on the fight

Anger is apparently NAI is what I learned from that exchange, but I figured out that Esooa and you didn't like each other a lot in the context of this game.

[Cook]

That's just surface though. I'll get back to you when I have more time.

[Cook]

Best scum indication?

Who do you place as buddying or potentially scumpartners?

Have you noticed any difference between esooa and tris? What do you read the difference between them as?

How come do you have to iso Dk?

[Cook]

lmao i have a conclusion im reaching that im not liking and honestly a bit annoyed with it.

but imma keep it to myself rn.

what are your reads?

i should probably post mine soon, i'll get back to that when i have time

[Cook]

RLotus, nopoint, Andre, and Polaris have not posted in a day or two. I'd like to hear some feedback from them all.

[Cook]

I don't SR tris right now. I think esooa was a particularly scummy player and the replacement clears them both for now.

[Cook]

VOTE: Polaris

E-3

[Cook]

Personally speaking, I think that because replacements can happen due to meatspace that we shouldn't base reads on leaving but rather based on how the replacer acts

They play the same role but are completely different people if that makes sense

Is Jim worth wagoning?

Reads up soon.

pedit: attempting to elicit reactions from people based on TRing Jim? gambity

pedit2: yeah just barely lurking's a bit strange imo

[Cook]

pagetop and post 400

neat

[Cook]

cook can get yeeted but i'm interested why he's in jim's townreads when that's literally the only mention of cook in his entire iso

Yeah, sorry. I just don't see the case against cook. Feel free to change my mind

there is never a case day 1. to come up with an actual correct case on scum day 1 takes an exceptionally bad scum player.
all logic based wagons day 1 are bunkum, either powered by bad town or members of the mafia

That's false. I've caught scum d1 with logic.

TrueSoulEnergy doesn't count

First of all, what's that?

Now, questions, Bugspray (or is it lowercase? let me know):
1. Townleans? Nulls? Scumleans?
2. Noticing any partnerships/potential groupscums?
3. Would you be willing to put Polaris at e-1 or do you disagree with that wagon?

[Cook]

kay

[Cook]

ugh bugspray would u say ur WIM has just increased in genral reacently idk like u had massive WIM in a recent gaem but u were scum i wanna elibe ur town here for that at least for being logical!!!

excellent english. on a mobile device?

WIM?

[Cook]

OK, let's not treat Dk as the same person as they are sober for now. We'll talk in a bit.

To Drunk DK:

Anything you're seeing differently about this game?

[Cook]

So... vote?

[Cook]

wait so we're voting jim now?

VOTE: Jim

VC?

[Cook]

I am following Dk right now, yes.

[Cook]

i'm not even following the wim thing

you know what

i'm gonna grab a notes pt and start taking down my reads there

[Cook]

E-3

[Cook]

how do you mean

your speech is slurring, i cannot comprehend it

[Cook]

Wasn't trying to townslip

[Cook]

Why is my join date relevant?

[Cook]

I'm not really able to read Lotus right now.

[Cook]

Reads

Town

: Prince Zuko

Likely Town

: Andre, Koba, Nopoint, Egix96

Null

: Tris, Bugspray, Jim

Likely Scum

: none

Scum

: none

Start Posting More

: Facebones, Geraint, RLotus, Polaris

[Cook]

Start Posting More is slight scumlean because

WE'VE BEEN PLAYING THIS GAME FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW, START POSTING, PLEASE

[Cook]

Consider it null, generally though.

[Cook]

Remember that? TK (TipsyKoba) had an interesting thought. Do we pursue is the question?

OK, let's not treat Dk as the same person as they are sober for now. We'll talk in a bit.

To Drunk DK:

Anything you're seeing differently about this game?

Also, now that you're here with us:
1. Potential scum? Buddies?
2. Strongest townreads?
3. Anyone to iso?

[Cook]

It's also possible although unlikely Polaris is posting in a scum PT and not realizing it doesn't count towards prods here.

Otherwise, Polaris just abandoned the game after rolling VT is another likely.

FB needs to post and do it soon.

Nopoint... not sure where this comes from but I'd wagon.

Myself... I guess you'll never know until I play more games. Heck, I don't even know.

[Cook]

why do u scumread esooa so much? I think she is null here so far, which is where my frustration lies.

I want to flip her is the short answer. It's closer to a 3.5ish thing so it's more on the low end of my reads but I still just want to not deal with her.

so was this not fully true?

i'd like an answer to this bit

what exactly do you want an answer to? I made a newbie mistake — trying to "scumread" someone to get them policy elimmed.

what i want you to explain is:
in that post, you were saying that you were exaggerating your scumread for policy reasons, but than later you say that the read was entirely made up. Which is it? Was there a scumread but it was exaggerated, so was there no scumread at all?

semi-scumread. i both thought that esooa was a bit scummy during argument as a general aura, but not strong enough to be a leading scumread like 4.0 scum. yes, it's scummy. no, I won't be doing it again.

[Cook]

Reads

Town

: Prince Zuko

Likely Town

: Andre, Koba, Nopoint, Egix96

Null

: Tris, Bugspray, Jim

Likely Scum

: none

Scum

: none

Start Posting More

: Facebones, Geraint, RLotus, Polaris

what happened to your bugspray read.

They stopped posting as much.

[Cook]

I was a bit confused by that as well.

Otherwise, that was quite the analysis.

And then also RLotus’s thing as well...

RLotus are you consciously voting Flea right now or is that a holdover from pre-replace?

[Cook]

This is just flakerton county, huh?

[Cook]

Justification: I'm sheeping because I trust DkKoba with two votes.

Also, yeah, this is my first Town forum game. First-game scum is a good experience but it means that anything you do as newbtown immediately looks suspicious since there's nothing else to compare you to.

Fortunately, I have a lot of time on my hands and a lot of patience for this so I'll keep playing and trying I guess.

[Cook]

Fluffy sheepy wool coating? Nah fam it's warm and fuzzy why would I take it off?

esooa if u keep just saying things and then refusing to answer ur just gonna tank ur credibility even if ur right. like relax and actually realize that u know some of us here don't know the alignment of ur role PM and are reasonably paranoid of u and need proof and cant just take u on face value.

Strongest Townread: DkKoba for post above. While the credibility of this could be debated as it was directed towards a participant in a fight it's the best I've got so far.

Scumread? GtH, I'd say look further into Facebones. There's something I can't quite put my finger on, will iso in a short while, but leads are now drying up and I need activity for good reads.

Now, I see someone wants to grill me. Snag this pixellated hat and make it into a panini.

[Cook]

after that remark i may need to add a cookie underneath this hat, that'd be cool.

[Cook]

Happy Birthday to our mod!

[Cook]

Well if we're doing a wagon I might as well jump on.

VOTE: Andrewsvmb

Deadline soon and I don't want to end the day on a noelim.

[Cook]

Well if we're doing a wagon I might as well jump on.

VOTE: Andrewsvmb

Deadline soon and I don't want to end the day on a noelim.

Who is more likely to be scum, Jim or Andres?

They're 50/50.

[Cook]

Just read through and thoughts are not connecting to my head properly. Can someone summarize?

[Cook]

Oh dear. Tipsy Koba is returning.

[Cook]

Nopoint, you're avoiding the question. Your quote only refers to one post I made, and is from 200 posts ago. Even then, that's only listing various opinionated perceptions of what I've done. Analyze, please.

[Cook]

cook, tell me. why are you voting andres when you townleaned him before?

That's the most-voted wagon right now, and deadline is (expired on 2021-01-20 07:44:00) away. The day shouldn't end on a no-elim as that means we have a 0% chance of hitting scum as opposed to a X/13 (I'm going to assume three for math purposes) – that's 23% chance if we lim or a 0% chance if we don't. Then, if/when scum kill, it becomes a 3/12 – 25% chance, but also scum now controls 50% of the vote.
- Limming scum here means 2/11, night-kill means 2/10.
- Limming town here means 3/10, night-kill means 3/9.

Compare that to eliminating. 23% chance to hit scum means one of two things happens:

23% of the time, we hit a scum.

Scum gets a nightkill, and now the balance is 2/11 – 33% of the vote.
• On the off-chance somehow nobody gets nightkilled, that becomes a 2/12 – 33% of the vote.
- Limming scum there means 1/10, night-kill means 1/9.
- Limming town there means 2/11, night kill means 2/10.

77% of the time, we hit a townie.

Scum gets a nightkill, and now the balance is 3/11 – 50% of the vote.
• On the off-chance somehow nobody gets nightkilled, that becomes a 3/12 – 50% of the vote.
- Limming scum there means 2/11, night-kill means 2/10.
- Limming town there means 3/11, night-kill means 3/10.

We eliminate. It's either scum-favorable with a chance of town-favorable to vote, or scum-favorable guaranteed to no-vote.


Tomorrow, we eliminate all liars and gambiters. Hammer voter gets scrutinized, and I put the screws to the novoters.

In summary,

even if it's a bad wagon, it's still better for us to eliminate.

[Cook]

cook pls pull ur head out ur ass

Huh? What?

[Cook]

VOTE: nopoint

[Cook]

ugh what

[Cook]

Or we could eliminate nopoint and then determine what you and I look like.

Efficiency.

[Cook]

Cook clears nopoint, Jim if they flip Scum. Those slots are harder to read. I think I’m fine with this as a vote today.

dk is so scummy independently from cook rn that if jim flips scum you can put a gun in my head

VOTE: cook

fuck off

This is scummy, and it's making me question my cook-scum conviction. But I'm pretty sure scum is in dk/cook.

I'm isoing Dk now and looking for every instance of TMIing.

[Cook]

wow cook, no more facade? You tr me a few times if I remember correctly

Townread by the lack of scumminess.

[Cook]

Pagetop, post 1000.

[Cook]

Well there's my hammer.

Thanks for another game, I'll flip in a minute, since Governor isn't a thing here.

I'm thinking there's a chance of SK/second family, so watch for that.

[Cook]

yep lol

fun fact for tris: triscuit is a shortening, not of "Triangle Biscuit" or derivatives thereof, but "Electric Biscuit" since it was one of the first crackers to be made via automatic processes.

[Cook]

i'm dead. bah.

[Cook]

Well then. A sacrificial lamb got a win from the grave.

As you'll see in the mafia PT, they were much more organized than me.