One Night Stand [Game Over]

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Yeah, sure. Scum concede. Will post stuff later.

I don't like this. I didn't like it in Xenoblade and I don't like it now

I have to say I also didn't like it in Large Normal 230. I don't get why people just don't play the game out, even if it seems hopeless

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I understand the reason yes that in some sense you're not delaying the inevitable but

I wanna see the game played out to it's full completion, you never know what will happen

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Yeah, sure. Scum concede. Will post stuff later.

I don't like this. I didn't like it in Xenoblade and I don't like it now

I have to say I also didn't like it in Large Normal 230. I don't get why people just don't play the game out, even if it seems hopeless

I understand the reason yes that in some sense you're not delaying the inevitable but

I wanna see the game played out to it's full completion, you never know what will happen

Holy shit ur so annoying what anything could happen? Ya so another free Miselim on a very townie player will just show up for no reason over reading the game and thinking it’s me which is the next reasonable thing to do? Doubt.

If a game is lost its lost and there’s nothing you can do about it. Conceding is like folding in poker. Why would u play out an unwinnable hand?

Because a game needs to finish to completion and you're selling yourself short. Were you in a literal auto-lose? Probably not. Were you just uncertain that you could convince anyone? Uncertain of your partner? Don't take that experience away from yourself. Nobody wants a consolation prize, and I certainly want the chance to either see all the scum flipped or make a mistake. You basically decided the outcome for everyone.

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I promise when I say what I'm saying it is not a personal matter. I just don't think 'conceding' should be an option in the first place.

When did this start becoming the norm? 10 years of this fucking game and not once did a moderator tell me 'you can just quit if you want'. Usually that meant you replace

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I promise when I say what I'm saying it is not a personal matter. I just don't think 'conceding' should be an option in the first place.

When did this start becoming the norm? 10 years of this fucking game and not once did a moderator tell me 'you can just quit if you want'. Usually that meant you replace

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I'm not trying to blame Ydrasse either. Clearly there is precedent already established

I really do wanna know

When was 'conceding' an option that became relevant?

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I'm not trying to blame Ydrasse either. Clearly there is precedent already established

I really do wanna know

When was 'conceding' an option that became relevant?

i think that nobody would actually disagree with the concept of scum being able to concede at all, at least upon considering all of the arguments.

i am, however, of the opinion that it should probably be a unanimous decision from the scum team. i'm quite certain that in, say, a normal game, if one scum member wanted to concede and the other didn't, it would be wrong (and potentially even rule-breaking / playing against wincon) for that other member to just publicly claim scum and say that they're conceding regardless.

granted, i don't think that the communication with conceding was necessarily an option for alisae and menalque this game, so the scenarios aren't completely comparable. perhaps the request could've been relayed through the mod.

I believe it's fine if it is literal mechanical loss, and yeah if there's absolute consensus. If there is a will, there's a way. I think OPs should either reflect the option for a faction to concede or that you stay until the game is over. Don't wanna play? Replace please.

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If there is a will, there's a way.

Ya I’m sure u can just will the other townie slots that make no sense for them to be scum to vote each other in F4 yep totally.

That's from your view! You don't know what people are thinking. Trust me

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Its always just a lose lose situation for me I think.
Pedit why would anyone want to replace into a slot to find out it’s doomed? How is that fun?

I would've been PUMPED personally like 'fuck yeah this is gonna be a challenge'

Is the idea of Fun only winning?

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Yes people are absolutely prone to human error

Mafia setups are there to enforce wincons and to guide people, but they don't determine the way someone perceives your slot as a whole

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The points being made here were never towards alisae frankly

It's all environment-based, (Mafia) games shouldn't invite a culture where your best option is to simply not play

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If there is some allotted pressure or negativity bias causing scum teams to just collapse and not even try? There has been a dynamic shift in the way townplay is rewarded, and now it seems if people aren't town they aren't apart of the inner circle or something

Why?

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No, I don't think so, I actually think that this is pretty squarely on alisae here. We could have some discussion on site meta and pressures on scumteams and such but I think that this situation is pretty divorced from that.

It's on eir but at the same time in my time playing this game (see: own bias) I never once thought conceding was an option. I never thought about quitting, and if I did I would just replace. I feel like something has changed in that regard

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I dunno I think people are not infallible and even a supposed Paragon can be wrong yknow?

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I dunno I think people are not infallible and even a supposed Paragon can be wrong yknow?

are you referring to me?

General statement

Feel like Ali defeated eirself, things like 'Setup sucks/PL hard/Not getting along with partner' are all weird thoughts to me

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Ali if you were town right

Like let's say the situation is slightly flipped

You're down a good amount and it's Xylo

You wouldn't give up right? You'd wanna try and win?

Why is it different for scum? I'm genuinely curious

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Context being that I feel like you wouldn't have conceded if you were town?

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Context being that I feel like you wouldn't have conceded if you were town?

What happened in the game how did we get there?

Not sure does it matter? You don't have to fully entertain this thought if you don't want to

Just don't give up as either alignment, even if it deems unfavorable

I'd just end up repeating the stuff I've said before but yeah

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NSG is being more blunt than me

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