Mini 2186: Pokemon Battles [GAME OVER]

[Titus]

Hahaha true that wagon did stall. But so did a Chara one and I have them as basically locktown, to play devils advocate

Chara has always been pretty obvtown.

Chara was the CFD attempt that bypassed the twins.

[wellermanbob]

I guess but im also having trouble seeing it as that simple. Like we probably have to test it and it makes sense but I dont think both scum were on wagon and Infinity being scum would honestly just be funny and sad at this point

[wellermanbob]

But also to read into Vax posting they seemed a bit mad to be at E-1...which is why I'm not thinking that wagon was pure

[Titus]

I agree Infinity isn't likely scum and Vax was likely hard bussed by some and that scum, at some point could have agreed there was no saving him.

I think Booneytunes is a great game to reference for meta VCA if there can be such a thing as Vax's reaction was similar here.

[Infinity Zero]

I was gonna say that the scumflip makes me more confident that a bunch of people on that wagon were town, but 827 is a good point. I'm not sure how scum bus d1, but I don't think raya and catboi are likely scum on the wagon. Raya because she was pretty widely townread, and earlier in the day I had voted catboi with the fact that raya was on the wagon as a major reason. It doesn't make a ton of sense to bus in that situation when you can use your towncred to push a miselim without a ton of accountability. Catboi looks good because 700 is kind of a townslip. Catboi was already voting vax at the time, and I'd think scum would remember if their vote was on a scum buddy, especially at that point in the game. Both me and gamma also strongly TR S&M on play. I think the soft is +town for chara, although it's sort of an odd time for town to soft. I'll talk to gamma about who we think is scum.

-Inf

[Mistyx]

catboi jjh twins town off of spew

can cite posts if necessary

[Raya36]

But also to read into Vax posting they seemed a bit mad to be at E-1...which is why I'm not thinking that wagon was pure

This is an interesting observation and I think I agree

jjh927, Catboi, Raya36, unwnd, Twins Akari and Mara, Titus

jj I still think is town.

Catboi's rvs was Vax. Would scum rvs their partner? Catboi was also on and off Vax throughout the day. It didn't feel like distancing and any interactions didn't feel svs.

unwnd - town

Twins never said anything about a vax read and then were ok with voting vax and voted there towards the end. This could be a partner?

Titus pushed a little at Vax early on. Also he stated that perfume and vax can't be scum together. If Titus was scum with Vax he would likely push perfume and use that as an excuse to townread vax after making that statement. I don't see an agenda in the thought process.

VOTE: Twins

I agree Infinity isn't likely scum and Vax was likely hard bussed by some and that scum, at some point could have agreed there was no saving him.

I think Booneytunes is a great game to reference for meta VCA if there can be such a thing as Vax's reaction was similar here.

I don't think Vax was ever in an unsavable position until the very end?

[Raya36]

I was gonna say that the scumflip makes me more confident that a bunch of people on that wagon were town, but 827 is a good point. I'm not sure how scum bus d1, but I don't think raya and catboi are likely scum on the wagon. Raya because she was pretty widely townread, and earlier in the day I had voted catboi with the fact that raya was on the wagon as a major reason. It doesn't make a ton of sense to bus in that situation when you can use your towncred to push a miselim without a ton of accountability. Catboi looks good because 700 is kind of a townslip. Catboi was already voting vax at the time, and I'd think scum would remember if their vote was on a scum buddy, especially at that point in the game. Both me and gamma also strongly TR S&M on play. I think the soft is +town for chara, although it's sort of an odd time for town to soft. I'll talk to gamma about who we think is scum.

-Inf

I definitely agree with your catboi analysis and your analysis of me was good. How was 700 a townslip though?

[Mistyx]

Why are we offing ona wagon?

VOTE: twins

If Mistyx is scum here, Vax is probably her buddy.

Seems like a stretch to me honestly. Vax has been weird but I'm not settled on what it all means.

I’m less sure on him but Mistix scumread CB for pushing Vax on his Titus’ read and now she makes it a point of saying that she dislikes his vote - on a slot she claimed to have 0 thoughts about - but she votes CB.

Why did Mistyx react that strongly to CB pushing Vax on his Titus’s read and why does she make it a point of saying she dislikes Vax’s vote on a slot she has no read on? I just find her positioning around Vax strange. It’s possible he could be town but if she’s scum, it wouldn’t at all shock me if Vax is her buddy based on that.

Id vote mystix.

I'm in a weird spot. I did a driveby yesterday because why not? But actually reading, I don't get the push on the twins. HOWEVER, I'm with good company on this wagon. I could toatally vote catboi, but, most of the people on that wagon I don't feel great about either, so it's pretty meh.

VOTE: mystix

this is the Twins stuff

[Raya36]

Why are we offing ona wagon?

VOTE: twins

If Mistyx is scum here, Vax is probably her buddy.

Seems like a stretch to me honestly. Vax has been weird but I'm not settled on what it all means.

I’m less sure on him but Mistix scumread CB for pushing Vax on his Titus’ read and now she makes it a point of saying that she dislikes his vote - on a slot she claimed to have 0 thoughts about - but she votes CB.

Why did Mistyx react that strongly to CB pushing Vax on his Titus’s read and why does she make it a point of saying she dislikes Vax’s vote on a slot she has no read on? I just find her positioning around Vax strange. It’s possible he could be town but if she’s scum, it wouldn’t at all shock me if Vax is her buddy based on that.

Id vote mystix.

I'm in a weird spot. I did a driveby yesterday because why not? But actually reading, I don't get the push on the twins. HOWEVER, I'm with good company on this wagon. I could toatally vote catboi, but, most of the people on that wagon I don't feel great about either, so it's pretty meh.

VOTE: mystix

this is the Twins stuff

I was actually just asking you about this. I don't see how this makes the twins town

[Infinity Zero]

How was 700 a townslip though?

Just that they were already voting vax and I'd expect a scumbuddy to remember that

-Inf

[Mistyx]

I was actually just asking you about this. I don't see how this makes the twins town

don't think they pop in to keep momentum going on twins if twins is their partner

[Titus]

I kinda want to FoS jjh if history repeats itself.

In the Booney large theme that just finished, Vaxkiller was voting a partner who was also on his wagon. This was even with another partner. There was also a separate scum on his wagon early.

So jjh/catboi (not both) and/or one of Raya/The Twins (not both).

Having one scum off entirely is not out of the question.

Based on votes alone, I would speculate jjh and the twins with catboi in a close second.

[Raya36]

How was 700 a townslip though?

Just that they were already voting vax and I'd expect a scumbuddy to remember that

-Inf

Makes sense. I thought the quote was referring to the text as well, not just the vote. I agree then

[Infinity Zero]

once again pls back off of twins
I’m kinda drunk and might start going ballistic if y’all don’t stop pushing them

Btw I read through page 20 during night and will try to relay my thoughts on that soon
-Protocol

[Raya36]

I was actually just asking you about this. I don't see how this makes the twins town

don't think they pop in to keep momentum going on twins if twins is their partner

It's an easy way to distance

[Infinity Zero]

I kinda want to FoS jjh if history repeats itself.

In the Booney large theme that just finished, Vaxkiller was voting a partner who was also on his wagon. This was even with another partner. There was also a separate scum on his wagon early.

So jjh/catboi (not both) and/or one of Raya/The Twins (not both).

Having one scum off entirely is not out of the question.

Based on votes alone, I would speculate jjh and the twins with catboi in a close second.

I think most of these suspects you’re listing are town if not all
Also I think the NK kinda incriminates you
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I was actually just asking you about this. I don't see how this makes the twins town

don't think they pop in to keep momentum going on twins if twins is their partner

It's an easy way to distance

At the time, there was a very real possibility that akara would get limmed I think

-Inf

[Raya36]

Super quick off wagon notes:

chara didn't seem super enthusiastic about the Vax wagon. Said they were ok with it but never actually voted and didn't give any reason why they were ok with it until the claim and it was too late. Could be a partner.

wellermanbob was against the vax wagon but it seemed more of in an incorrect way than an agenda way.

mistyx didn't like Vax from the start. Maybe distancing?

infinity zero pushed against the vax wagon.

smoke and mirrors mostly pushed against Vax. There was some reevaluation that felt towny. Do you still believe that Vax and Mistyx could be partners?

red, nothing

[Titus]

catboi jjh twins town off of spew

can cite posts if necessary

Please do.

[Raya36]

I was actually just asking you about this. I don't see how this makes the twins town

don't think they pop in to keep momentum going on twins if twins is their partner

It's an easy way to distance

At the time, there was a very real possibility that akara would get limmed I think

-Inf

Maybe you're right. I'll move here instead then
VOTE: Chara

[Titus]

I kinda want to FoS jjh if history repeats itself.

In the Booney large theme that just finished, Vaxkiller was voting a partner who was also on his wagon. This was even with another partner. There was also a separate scum on his wagon early.

So jjh/catboi (not both) and/or one of Raya/The Twins (not both).

Having one scum off entirely is not out of the question.

Based on votes alone, I would speculate jjh and the twins with catboi in a close second.

I think most of these suspects you’re listing are town if not all
Also I think the NK kinda incriminates you
-Protocol

Most of the suspects may be town. I'm creating a pool of possibilities based on votes in that post.

Do you agree that jjh and catboi are not scum together? Same for Raya and the twins?

[Mistyx]

Why were my short sentences a problem but Perfume posting nothing but hard to decipher anime not?

Pedit: You can guess but I won't confirm just in case there's a hidden scum mechanic.

Because I feel like I can read you.

I can't read strange anime crap.

So what's your read on Titus?

Wanna know my thoughts on you?

Mmf.

VOTE: Mistyx

lol you sound upset to find me as town?

this was the catboi/vax stuff

jjh stuff soon my face is yelling at me

[Raya36]

Wouldn't Unwnd's death incriminate the Twins and Mistyx?
I thought someone said Titus but I'm not seeing that

[Raya36]

I'm thinking at least 1 scum is in the Twins, Mistyx, Chara, Red