BooneyToonz XV: Dance of the Dark Fairy [Third Moonlight]

[Nylaathria]

So you're saying that Toogoloo's miller claim was not townie, when that's pretty much the definition of the advised town play if you roll miller?
You're better than this.

-Bell.

How do you know he's not scum faking a miller claim? What makes his miller claim townie when miller or scum, he would claim straight away anyway?

[Nylaathria]

VOTE: Sequence

[Nylaathria]

Who's the mafia?

[Nylaathria]

Rei and Asuka - Ascetic
Toogeloo - Miller / Dragon, Mythical Creature
Chromium - Kelpie
samantha97 - Imp
RCEnigma - Horse/Pegasus
Sequence - Cat

I don't think we should finish this massclaim. As a crumb to reference later, I'll say that my creature is very familiar and funny to me.

[Nylaathria]

Are you Bell?

[Nylaathria]

You referred to yourself in the third person so I wasn't sure.

Do you mind answering my earlier question?

[Nylaathria]

Why are you voting me before I answer your question?

Because I think you're scummy.

[Nylaathria]

No, I mean why are you voting me before I answer your question.
Does the answer even matter if you're voting me before I give an answer.

Do you plan to unvote me if I give the right answer?

I voted you because I think you're scummy. I asked you a question to get a better read on you, depending on your answer.

[Nylaathria]

I believe this is standard practice. Are you new to mafia, Bell?

[Nylaathria]

I townread samantha for attempting to quickly get flavour claims to potentially catch overlaps. I townread Toogeloo for his sincerity in insisting he would never make this claim as scum.

[Nylaathria]

I'm on my phone so half reading

But I'm on the toog is town train
Also I don't really see the issue with flavor claiming but I also don't really see a benefit so /shrug

Slightly scummy post. Murdercatscum may have felt the need to voice support of the consensus opinion. I also don't like the non-stance on flavor claiming.

[Nylaathria]

Bell, I believe the point of your 76 was that the miller claim itself is townie, regardless of the player behind it. You worded it such that it's townie because it's advised play for millers to claim instantly. Am I incorrect?

[Nylaathria]

We haven't. Could you explain why this is typical of you?

[Nylaathria]

You don't seem to be in any other games, Murdercat.

[Nylaathria]

I lied I have time to read now

What in your circumstances changed? I'm looking specifically for whether it was a change of motivation and energy, or whether you were unexpectedly given some free time.

[Nylaathria]

I wish I was scum in this game. I can identify a lot of potential players that won't be difficult to push assuming they're town.

[Nylaathria]

I wish I was scum in this game. I can identify a lot of potential players that won't be difficult to push assuming they're town.

Who are these players?

Murdercat, you, Lunar Martian, Sequence so far. Especially if Team Mafia eats up time for this game.

[Nylaathria]

Haven't read up yet but first things first

claiming PGO

<- blegh ew role
Also VOTE: Murdercat

-noraa!

Why did you decide to claim this?

[Nylaathria]

I wish I was scum in this game. I can identify a lot of potential players that won't be difficult to push assuming they're town.

Who are these players?

Murdercat, you, Lunar Martian, Sequence so far. Especially if Team Mafia eats up time for this game.

Why are you identifying players you’d think would be easy to oush?
:/

I don't see the downside in talking about it. I try to be more cautious in discerning between elimbaity behavior and scum behavior when I get a certain feel from a player.

[Nylaathria]

Haven't read up yet but first things first

claiming PGO

<- blegh ew role
Also VOTE: Murdercat

-noraa!

Why did you decide to claim this?

NEG UTIL BAYBEY

-noraa!

PGO is contrabooned. Why are you claiming it?

[Nylaathria]

Were you aware it was contrabooned when you claimed it?

I'll answer your question after you answer this.

[Nylaathria]

Paranoid Gun Owner

[Nylaathria]

Yes.

[Nylaathria]

Were you aware it was contrabooned when you claimed it?

I'll answer your question after you answer this.

Nope. We wouldn't have claimed it if we knew.

-Noraa!

That's a shame. It'd be townie if you hadn't known, given a whole scum team are far less likely to miss such a detail, while townies can have their reasons but are more likely to miss it.

[Nylaathria]

That's a shame. It'd be townie if you hadn't known, given a whole scum team are far less likely to miss such a detail, while townies can have their reasons but are more likely to miss it.

Are you even reading the same post I'm reading?

-Noraa!

I townread you now.

[Nylaathria]

Hey Ircher! Wheres the analyzing?
I see a lot of "I don't believe this" but I don't see much "this means that they might be doing blah blah blah"

-noraa!

I agree with this. I'd like to hear why you don't believe the miller or ascetic claims, Ircher.

[Nylaathria]

Nylar asking a lot of questions
Don't like them types around here

Angels town perhaps?

[Nylaathria]

Hey Ircher! Wheres the analyzing?
I see a lot of "I don't believe this" but I don't see much "this means that they might be doing blah blah blah"

-noraa!

I agree with this. I'd like to hear why you don't believe the miller or ascetic claims, Ircher.

Fo you mind just explaining this in 1 or 2 lines before you do?

[Nylaathria]

I think Ircher left. I find his wall very scummy. He seems to be commenting for the sake of commenting on a lot of things. For example, he responds to two posts about the PGO claim, but makes no comment on what that means for Angel's alignment.

Him calling them bleedingly obvscum also seems odd as a genuine reaction.

[Nylaathria]

I just ate a really nice casserole.

[Nylaathria]

Klick and RCEnigma are townreads.

[Nylaathria]

-->Mod posts something saying Town are Mythical Creatures.
-->Toog posts something saying they are a Legendary Creature.
--> Oops.

lol alisae and I were literally just discussing this - > thinking this is an oopsie doopsie scumslip myself
-koba

all I'm reading from this is that lunar and chromium aren't mythical creatures

I like this take though. Chromium don't make me look bad.

alright i guess this is where i say like i legit wasn't sure if i was town at first until i reread the role pm and checked to see the wincon and didnt know if the hood im in is scumchat so like take that as u will. im notoriously bad at reading setup details.

I missed these first time through but these are both really towny. I find scum fake hydra discussions less of the time, and I had the exact same feeling while reading my own role pm. I wasn't sure about my alignment until I read the wincon.

[Nylaathria]

Sequence, Flea The Magician, Rei and Asuka, NorwegianBoyEE, Murdercat

[Nylaathria]

Where I'm looking for in scum sorted by likelihood.

[Nylaathria]

Flea's been posting elsewhere today. Almost50 hasn't been online for 5 days.

[Nylaathria]

I have SirCakez and Almost50 as null. Those 5 below. And everyone else has given me reason to townread them one way or another.

[Nylaathria]

What do you make of sequence self voting and then voting flea then?

They'll probably claim they're reaction testing with the self vote, but I find it a little scummy. Can't know why they voted Flea until they say so.

[Nylaathria]

That's just how I talk.

[Nylaathria]

I'm jet lagged.

[Nylaathria]

Rei and Asuka basically posted their town role to the thread while I was away, so that's nice.

[Nylaathria]

Townreading Ircher now. I like how combative he is, not taking the easy way out of any argument. I also read the frustration in his tone as townie.

[Nylaathria]

Norwegianboy's floating in and out - lots of questions and not many takes. I couldn't find a single nuanced thought process in his posts. It's cookie cutter scum behavior.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

[Nylaathria]

Ugh, how many votes am I on? I'm busy with life for a day or two and you all dogpile on me. Assuming that's the case at least, I saw someone give intent.

[Nylaathria]

so... what's scummy about nyla. i don't see it in their iso at all

~rei

Rei, I swear I'm town and just haven't had time for this game. I was really into this at the start and excited to get into it and hunt, but then everything else in life just bombarded me all at once and it sucks.

I don't even know why I'm appealing to you about this. Maybe because you were my favourite character in NGE.

[Nylaathria]

I don't have time for this game right now. I think I might tomorrow. If ya'll don't have patience for that, tell me to claim now.

[Nylaathria]

Kay then. Back tomorrow. I skimmed some, and Asuka you are a god damn saint and I don't deserve you.

[Nylaathria]

Ugh

[Nylaathria]

Friends, players, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury scum, not to praise them.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with scum The noble town
Hath told you scum was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath scum answer’d it.

[Nylaathria]

I do feel pretty confident tbh. I'd need a surprising flip to shake my confidence I think. Or maybe someone to poke my readlist full of holes. But no one is attacking my reads. They are just attacking my tone/playstyle.

I'll poke your readlist for you. Just give me a little bit.

[Nylaathria]

Town: Rei and Asuka, Toogeloo, Samantha, MURDERCAT,
Probable Town: DkKoba, Sequence, Angel Warriors, Nylaathria, Flea
Unsure/Town: unwnd
Unsure/Mafia: Titus, SirCakez
Mafia: MathBlade, RCEnigma, Special BROvert Ops

You don't have any reasoning in this readlist.... what in hell's name am I supposed to poke at.

[Nylaathria]

I would vote BROvert, but I'm not going to vote with Math and Titus. That's bad vibes. As of last count, Math and Titus are tied, and I prefer the Math wagon. I can move if Titus is more viable, but I'm way less confident. Where did that RCE wagon go?

Are you associating Math and Titus together because they're defending each other? I think their amiability towards each other mainly stems from being twins, and that's understandable. I think it's far more likely it's that rather than they're scum defending each other.

[Nylaathria]

I do believe I'm voting for Math myself actually. NorwegianBoy felt all round scummy and then the sub out didn't help either. I can sympathise with Titus making up reasons to defend him though, I believe the want to give him a pass is likely non-alignment-indicative due to personal bias.

What's the scummiest thing Math's done this game?

[Nylaathria]

but look at how it doesnt match any of the reasonable universes that have been present so far this game. it completely ignores the reality that is the game so far.

Their reads list looks fine to me tbh. It's relatively close to the zeitgeist.
Exept the 3 on the far right in the probable town bin and unwnd should be higher maybe.

-Bell.

how surprising another one of my lower PoE players comes in to defend

Oh hey, this post makes you look silly later if you're town.

Bookmark.

-Bell.

Not that much sillier than any post that's wrong about a townread or a scumread. Odd that you feel the need to bookmark that one.

[Nylaathria]

The two worst things Math has done are reveal private PT info without consulting the PT, and trying to buddy everyone in the PT and attempt to convince us to act like a masonry. See mine and R&A's posts on the subject.

I don't see revealing private PT info as particularly scummy. If scum, he has the knowledge anyway, so the carelessness isn't scum-motivated, just stupid. The buddying everyone inside it is worrisome, depends on his individual reads on the members inside. I'll go digging for your and Rei/Asuka's posts on it.

[Nylaathria]

Bell you're just town right? I feel scum has pulled the wool over my eyes and I've really hated this gamestate

What even is the purpose of this question.

[Nylaathria]

i don think scum have daytalk.

Seriously?

[Nylaathria]

Oh sorry I'll continue to hate everyone and misrep people for my own personal gain instead just like the rest of the game wants to

You seem overly dramatic.

[Nylaathria]

I've given up on reading everything. I'm selectively reading the important parts.

[Nylaathria]

It's under the assumption that there's no daytalk which has been floated around by a few people. It's not confirmed and I'm not sure what the rush would be to share the info. It might also be strange to have 12,000 different hoods but no daytalk. Or it could be super fun.

That's interesting. That's solely based on the fact there's a bunch of hoods? Nothing else to suggest this would be the case?

[Nylaathria]

2106 is excellent posting and I strongly agree with Asuka on the logic on DkKoba/me/Lunar regarding the role pm confusion. I'm just going to shelve those + Rei/Asuka as town unless there's strong evidence to suggest otherwise.

[Nylaathria]

It's under the assumption that there's no daytalk which has been floated around by a few people. It's not confirmed and I'm not sure what the rush would be to share the info. It might also be strange to have 12,000 different hoods but no daytalk. Or it could be super fun.

That's interesting. That's solely based on the fact there's a bunch of hoods? Nothing else to suggest this would be the case?

the OP post says that "scum daytalk" info is withheld.

Ah, so it's not confirmed one way or another.

[Nylaathria]

2106 is excellent posting and I strongly agree with Asuka on the logic on DkKoba/me/Lunar regarding the role pm confusion. I'm just going to shelve those + Rei/Asuka as town unless there's strong evidence to suggest otherwise.

Please do not encourage such angle-shooting/borderline activity.
~Ircher

Are reactions to role pms really angle-shooty? It's a pivotal piece of information and it's hard to ignore it while being honest about your reads, especially if it's influencing you to townread someone but you can't give good reasoning for it due to avoiding talking about the matter.

[Nylaathria]

i cannot be bothered to read this game help

~rei

In what way would you like assistance?

[Nylaathria]

i cannot be bothered to read this game help

~rei

In what way would you like assistance?

tell me what 2 do

~rei

I wish I had a good scumread and could help you with that.

[Nylaathria]

Yes. There's a reason why referencing the specific text or formatting of your role pm is forbidden.
~Ircher

What's the harm now that the knowledge is out there and a big discussion point?

[Nylaathria]

Oh, you outed us as masons already?

[Nylaathria]

So you'd claimed masons but left me out of it? I'd assume I'd be outed to given I was being wagoned.

[Nylaathria]

Are you pushing the mason claims because you think scum never push the mason claims because they know them to be true?

[Nylaathria]

Why do you doubt our claims? Do you think we're lying as town, or scum fake-claiming?

[Nylaathria]

Huh, and why is that? I'm struggling to wrap my head around why you'd think that.

[Nylaathria]

I don't understand exactly what you mean, but sure.

[Nylaathria]

You see hints at there being a masonry all game and your first reaction is to doubt the eventual mason claim? Please explain your thought process behind that.

[Nylaathria]

Having thought about it, I don't see the scum-motivation from Cakez to be openly shading people he would know to be likely masons and that can't be pushed regardless.

[Nylaathria]

Sure, without quotes though it's kind of a pain on mobile.

I only have experience with his town game but fits with how he's approaching this game minus how he handled his hood but that just might be because I'd take a different approach personally in their shoes I don't know.

His tendency to get hung up on minor details and harp on them is abrasive but not really scum. His spat with Sam literally boils down to disagreements on optimal play but does nothing to push that Sam is scum ultimately. Likewise with his head bumping with Angel.

But the big thing is the lack of a large agenda in lieu of a personal one. Like his pushes on Sam and Angel don't help his standing as the leading wagon on rep in and beyond. Plus he was not concerned with building a wagon to take heat off himself. My wagon wasn't gaining steam and Angel had 0 traction behind it.

Could he take that line as scum? Maybe sure. But there wasn't any help to build a counter wagon if he has active partners until (I don't really want to throw out a wrong name but to the best of my memory) (?)Cakes got a flash wagon started. Another wagon math had no interest in pushing forward.

Several problems with this.

1 - The spat with Samantha where he gets hung up over technical details, but does nothing to solve or push Samantha as scum for it is not a good thing. He's involving himself in an unproductive conversation that's easier for scum to make, and not one that's useful for ascertaining either his or Samantha's alignment.

2 - Math isn't stupid. He knows he isn't going to come in as leading wagon and be able to get by with coasting or safe takes. In order to improve his position, he needs to do something that'll be perceived as townie. Taking anti-concensus takes while in a precarious position is one way of doing that.
What's important is the underlying reasoning behind those takes and whether it's legitimate.

3 - As scum, it's unlikely his end goal is to simply build a direct counterwagon to get by. Assuming that person flips scum, he's in the exact same situation the nest day. He needs to remove the suspicion from him altogether, and that means doing townie things and trying to get townread. And if that means pushing a wagon that isn't a counter which gets no traction to appear non-survilastic? Sure as hell he's gonna do that.

I don't think any of these are good reasons to call him town.

[Nylaathria]

and ur still avoiding my questions on sam so thanks for spewing them as scum for me

I DONT, CARE, ABOUT SAM TODAY

Only 25 seconds between these posts. Scum or town, the anger is real here.

Question being whether it's alignment-indicative, and I'd say it leans town. Scum-RCE is being scumhunted for not having a proper read on Samantha, and is less likely to be mad about it. Whoel Town-RCE simply cannot comprehend that DkKoba does not understand that he just DOES NOT CARE about Samantha today.
I suppose Scum-RCE could think the same if be believes he's in the right regardless of alignment, and isn't being unreasonable, but I feel adopting that mindset that you're technically correct despite having a red PM is harder to adopt.

[Nylaathria]

I just remembered about Angel's early PGO claim. They're very likely town based on claiming that while thinking it was legal.

[Nylaathria]

All cool I can go on another year hiatus cuz wow this was impossible to enjoy.

Why haven't you had fun, specifically speaking?

Would you have disliked this as much if you were scum?

[Nylaathria]

Can you stop picking on me? Like I am no where near top poster and it feels like this is just to get a rise out of me specifically.

Seems fake.

I think both wagons are scum or both are town btw. I just can’t figure out which.

Why?

[Nylaathria]

I do wonder whether Ircher is exaggerating the abrasive/mildly frustrated act this game. It's consistently been in his tone across his posts, and it feels odd to me.

[Nylaathria]

Sure. I slightly prefer it over Sequence.

VOTE: BROverts

[Nylaathria]

Sure. I slightly prefer it over Sequence.

VOTE: BROverts

Puke emoji

What do you want me to do with my vote? It's clear there's two wagons people are interested in, and the Math wagon died.