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[Egix96]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: cook

hey what do you see in cook?

Yeah, why is he only voting without saying anything?

VOTE: nopoint

[Egix96]

just btw if koba town reads me I'm probably scum and if they scum read me I'm probably town

Well, if you're town you know it, right? Were you hoping to achieve any purpose in making this statement?

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17 "I have a feeling that Polaris and DkKoba get into a fight but neither gets limmed right now."

Idk, wouldn't scum have to be pretty ballsy to say something like this outside of scumchat?

[Egix96]

just btw if koba town reads me I'm probably scum and if they scum read me I'm probably town

Well, if you're town you know it, right? Were you hoping to achieve any purpose in making this statement?

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17 "I have a feeling that Polaris and DkKoba get into a fight but neither gets limmed right now."

Idk, wouldn't scum have to be pretty ballsy to say something like this outside of scumchat?

Now that you point that out, the wording is a little funny.

re: Esooa's post or Cook's, sorry?

pedit for post 119: From my one game of experience, when two people start talking about each other early on it their "friendly conversation" drives the thread for the next like six pages and then neither one gets eliminated since it's so blatantly obvious they're both uninformed.

I see what you mean; that sort of thing does occur fairly regularly in games I've played, but it hasn't necessarily always been between two town (I think there's even one game I had where it was SvS).

[Egix96]

nopoint reads are really bad this player is >rand town by a decent amount rn

How so?

[Egix96]

GOOD MORNING, MAFIASCUM! WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PRIZE BOUT BOILING ON MNTV – AND IT'S BETWEEN TWO CHAMPION FIGHTERS

IN THE RED CORNER, WE HAVE

Dk

Ko

b

a

!

AAAND IN THE BLUE CORNER, WE HAVE

ESOOA!

THIS ONE'S GONNA BE INTERESTING, LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES!

OUR REF, ANDRESVMB IS RUNNING OUT OF THE RING, AND *bell dings twice* THE FIGHT BEGINS!

Cook this is actually instigating a fight, I’m going to guess between Townies, and actually Scummy behavior. You have any comment on that?

Fight was being fought before I "instigated."

How do you know it's a T/T fight? Scummy. And in this case I don't think tu quoque applies, as scum must lie, so, therefore, their reasoning is incorrect.

VOTE: Andresvmb

Can we get a votecount?

> I'm going to guess
> How do you know?

Eh? I'm not really liking how you're jumping on andre there.

[Egix96]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: cook

hey what do you see in cook?

Yeah, why is he only voting without saying anything?

VOTE: nopoint

Explain why my vote is scummy.

Not the vote itself, just thought you might be trying to stay off the radar or something.

[Egix96]

why is anger scummy? why isn't anger scummy? this is a game. why get upset about it?

Sometimes people just get stressed from playing mafia games, you know? It depends on the individual whether them getting angered/tilted/etc is more indicative of scum or town.

Sometimes you have people who, as scum, fake being upset in an effort to make people give them more space (since in a real-life situation it would only be natural to avoid further provoking someone) but you sometimes do have someone getting genuinely frustrated. Even so, it's best to regard it as NAI in most cases.

Scum might be collected, but they might also be trying to propagate a fight and waste valuable scumhunting time.

Considering 173 this seems a bit rich coming from you.

Town: DkKoba, Cook, Facebones, bugspray
Scum: tris/Esooa?

What have you liked from Facebones? He's still null for me.

I will say that tris feels vaguely different from my last game with her (where she was scum) on a ~vibes~ level though.

[Egix96]

I'm not really seeing the rationale behind the Hawkins wagon.

Cook is... I don't know, on a surface level he's acting so scummy (430 is just... why) but it's so blatant that it feels like a scum would know to act much better than that. Twtbaw.

My new take for scum:

VOTE: Lotus

His posting seems kinda shallow/unimpactful. Making safe/obvious statements in an effort to not rock the boat.

[Egix96]

I don't like how Jim recieved himself a wagon after his Cook town read, it's suspicious.

Not sure what you mean sry, how is it suspicious?

[Egix96]

It's also possible although unlikely Polaris is posting in a scum PT and not realizing it doesn't count towards prods here.

Otherwise, Polaris just abandoned the game after rolling VT is another likely.
.

Probably best not to speculate on this really.

[Egix96]

For what it’s worth I think geraintm is saying more than usual.

In my one prior game with him (here) he posted about 5x as much as here within the first 600 posts so I find that kinda surprising.

[Egix96]

Egix returns. Another player who really isn't hitting me like he should. I like the Lotus vote and reasoning... it just applies to too many slots here sadly.

Who's been reading my games without being in them?

Yeah, I'll admit that Lotus's posting has improved a bit since I voted him (more specifically I'm getting minor town vibes from last line of 533 and penultimate paragraph of 601) but I'm not yet sure who to vote next.

if the game actually stagnates ill go ahead and poke a tiger or something.

Tbf the game has been pretty slow since Esooa left so I'd say you can start whenever.

[Egix96]

I'd like an updated readlist from Jim and one from nopoint

I'm skeptical about Cook and DkKoba. Geraintm hasn't posted any content, which by this point in the game is kind of suspicious.
Null on Facebones, Egix96, Flea and nopointinactingup.
I don't think Andres is scum,

but I obviously disagree with his reasoning that I am also scum.

And I'm town reading bugspray, Prince Zuko, RLotus and tris.


It's been a busy week for me, but I will be around ALLLL weekend.

Kinda awkward phrasing.

[Egix96]

bugspray

Leaning town on vibes from posts such as 37, 71, second line of 235, 335, 529.

423 does feel like unwarranted shade but it's minor.

Andres

117, 120, 121

"But I’m not completely hating it so I’m staying put for now."

"Easy there. I’m not hating it because nothing else has grabbed my attention just yet and having a wagon at least allows for some commentary."

"Alright Cook fine I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt for now."

These feel like filler lines that scum use when they don't have real thoughts but still have to give some sort of semblance that they do.

155 - Very slight town vibes.

182 - If Esooaslot/nopoint are t/t this is bad.

218 - Another townvibey post, a bit more strong than 155 this time.

391, 393 - Eh? Why throw some subtle shade at Hawkins in the latter post, considering you had a favourable opinion of him in the former?

396 - There's a small part of me that wants to yell "make up your damn mind!" at this.

457 - Really surprising that Andres progressed from 391 to this in the space of <2 hours.

Slight scum lean overall.

geraint

267 - "some people i've not played with before in this game taking up a high percentage of posts but it aint helping me get anywhere with the game" - Very minor town vibes from this.

582 - I don't disagree, but this statement feels very generic.

666 - This seems ~fine, not sure what could've pinged bugspray about it.

Null-town so far but I'm hoping to see more.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Andresvmb

Until I can get to doing more of these.

[Egix96]

Love it when people get vaguely squeezed then put as much effort in as a replacement would to a game 28 pages later.

Mmm, yummy snark. (Or at least I presume it is.)

Egix is lean town

I'm hoping you are too, since I would be pretty annoyed if you went from pushing me in one scum game to pocketing me in the next.

Deadline soon

Three days left though? Well by my calculation it would've been closer to four days at the time you said that, so I find this strange.

Id rather keep andres around cause i respect him as town able to solve

I'm not seeing how this fits with 637, 642.

This game does not feel like it has thirteen players in it.

Huh, surprising. The last two games I played in were 9ers and this one does feel larger.

Tris' voting habits are a bit strange to me, not explicitly scummy but yeah

I think she is like that normally tbf.

Lotus, how do you feel about facebones?

He's a townlean for me. I quited liked his analysis of the Jim/Cook competing wagons.

do you agree with with it?
if you do, could you put it in your own words?
if you don't, could you explain what you like about it?

Yep, liking this.

Egix’s catch-up after being called out for not being particularly helpful arrived at the weird conclusion that I’m Lean Scum even though there’s several posts they highlight as Towny? I guess it’s better than nothing.

Only two, that's not several. I'm weighing up stuff I can explain over what I can't.

I think (Bones is) a bit paranoid about the people going onto Cook's wagon. But, the idea is so novel that I think it is harder for mafia to fake this and fake the paranoia, so more likely town.

Agreed.

[Egix96]

nopointinactingup

Not seeing a lot of AI stuff from this player so far. Apart from pushing on Cook, does not show a lot in the way of reads until his latest post, save for maybe "I do agree on the take on Lotus" (500). Would say scum at a GTH level, but I kinda wanna let him develop since his playstyle seems a bit similar to my own.

Zuko

363 - Minor T vibes from "don't hold me to that" part.

504 - Liking that he holds off from joining the Hawkins wagon to collect his thoughts rather than jumping straight in.

ISO contains more posts than I was expecting; I don't really find the rest to be noteworthy but still, slight town lean.

[Egix96]

Honestly, I agree with Andres reads. From what I can tell, Cook is at E-2, and I am okay with this. But, I am also on-board for a geraintm lynch. They have posted almost no content. SOMEHOW couldn't come up with reads on anyone by post 666:

someone asked for reads.
I don't really have much.
Flea I have no idea what they are on about
DKKoba is talking so much they shouldn't get eliminated today.

Not understanding what someone is saying isn't a read. Thinking someone is saying too much also isn't a read.
And then they admitted in post 735 that quoting without analyzing and lurking around was as good as it's going to get.

Null-town so far but I'm hoping to see more.

this is as good as it gets day 1 from me.

You may want to change up your Day 1 playing style. VOTE: geraintm

do you think geraintm is scum?

I think he is not beneficial to the town based on my case above. I also think it's okay if different players use different arguments to justify their votes, as long as the arguments are logical and make sense. We don't always have to agree on each and every point for why we're voting for the same person.

I kinda feel like you know geraint is town from the way you're talking about him there. Last line of first quote seems to assume so and I'm unsatisfied with the response in the second quote.

[Egix96]

egix are u busy irl

No, was just asleep. Sup?

[Egix96]

So, my question is, would your view of the game change if I flipped Town?

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking exactly, but yes, I would re-evaluate.

[Egix96]

Also, do you agree on my view of your POE?

Call me Captain Convenient, but I was gonna say that Cook could take the place of Lotus since I wasn't really feeling opposed to an elim on Cook (I am aware that Zuko has now hammered).

I ought to give you another look since your post count has more than doubled in the time since I ISOed you but that will have to wait.

[Egix96]

[Egix96]

Spoiler:

========== N1 Re-read ==========

37, 38 - +town for bugspray - I don't think it likely that scum would call attention to 34 that soon.

42 - +town for andres.

71 - I'm feeling tempted to just lock in bugspray as town and never look back. Okay, that might be a small exaggeration, but still.

87 - TMI-s bugspray as town. Someone who didn't know their alignment wouldn't regard a mod question as AI.

108 - Koba prob town from this.

117 - This kinda feels like scum PT talk slightly adapted to be safe to post in the game thread.

118 - OTOH, the tone of Cook's response does feel like he is talking to town.

122 - Not an interaction involving Cook, but still, I wanna imagine Esooa wouldn't say this if she were actually scum.

145 - Not sure how Koba arrived at this conclusion, but still, noting it for reference.

146 - Oh you.

199 - Slight +town for andres. Only slight since there's still a chance this was just a sloppy distancing attempt.

257 - I presume that this is referring to 87.

270, 279 - +town for Esooa, due to the policy elim angle.

275 - Koba +town for wanting Cook to elaborate on reads. 282 solidifies this.

284 - "at first i thought andres was scum but then he said something somewhere that I'll dig up in a moment that like reversed all of that" - Huh, not entirely sure what to make of that line but still feel like having a note of it here.

308 - "cook- he has been quite awkward with his posting, but perhaps that is just how he posts, null for now" - Minor non-s/s vibes from this.

312 - +town for tris.

340 - Considering that the main wagon at the time was on scum, the timing of this post is... yeah.

383 - Polaris slot +town slightly for opportunistic timing of vote.

417 - "Slight Lean Town [...] Cook" - Oof er okay. I'm noting that there were a total of five players in the tiers below.

447 -> 450 - Irritation towards Cook mayyybe not s/s?

455 - Okay maybe not. Andres scum, Jim town?

473, 474 - Occam's razor says that nopoint is just town here.

484 - +town for tris again.

510 - Potentially partnery post.

513 - I don't think it likely that partner!Zuko would be the only name in the "Town" tier.

528 - "Cook has been quite awkward as has been pointed out many times. Not sure if that is just how he plays as town, but still a reasonable chance we just hit scum there. This is where my vote is going if it is between Jim and Cook." - +town for Lotus.

553 - "My interpretation is I think scum want to get out the only voice who was somewhat verbally opposed to their agenda of eliminating Cook" - Hmm not sure about this one.

604 - This vote is probably not s/s given the context.

635 - +town for questioning the inclusion of Cook in town core.

663 - "Your level of confidence on FB and now Cook is starting to freak me out. I don't think either FB or Cook have acted in a way that is obvtown. To me it seems like you are seeing someone do something towny and jumping the gun and overreacting." - I was going to note this as +town for sentence #2, but seeing as this also throws shade at Koba I'm kinda hesitant.

696 - I'm unwilling to regard this vote as a point in andres's favour since "deadline soon" was a pretty bogus excuse anyway.

^^ Notes from N1 (up to page 30)

[Egix96]

VOTE: gerain hardclaim mason with zuko lets go

I actually caught your soft. You probably didn’t even have to do this.

Idk it was pretty obvious to me as well as soon as I saw the NK flip.

[Egix96]

Koba, if you were trying to cover for the real other mason then why did you say hardclaim?

[Egix96]

i'm off to play Crusader Kingdoms for a while, i'm just going to let you all clear up this shit show...

Dude no what are you doing, pls stay

[Egix96]

Koba, if you were trying to cover for the real other mason then why did you say hardclaim?

Cuz then id definitely die.

Uhhh yeah I don't think you really thought that one through.

[Egix96]

will u apologize when i flip green?

lol, it's not his fault.

[Egix96]

I mean I’ll say, geraintm is like always Scum. Stepping away after this? Voting me coming into today? Can we flip that too?

Screw it, you have a point.

VOTE: geraintm

I'm just gonna say it, Koba is town who made a bad play

[Egix96]

Like Egix is way too eager to move onto geraintm here. Why? That’s not what I expected.

He's goofing off when what I believe to be a TvT conflict is occurring.
That's just irresponsible.

[Egix96]

It is clear to me that Dk's perception of themself is removed from how they are actually perceived in the thread.

If anything I would say that's a town tell tho.

[Egix96]

It is clear to me that Dk's perception of themself is removed from how they are actually perceived in the thread.

If anything I would say that's a town tell tho.

It seemed scummy to me, why exactly do you think that?

To me, being disconnected from the game reads as a mafia trying to fabricate their reads/perspective. Where as a town should be aware of themself, who are their allies, who are calling them scum etc. in order to piece together the game.

I fully admit that a town can be unaware of how they are perceived, but it doesn't read that way to me. You and tris are starting to make me doubt my read

Because imo the townier thing is to not be so concerned about how others perceive you. Scum would definitely be aware of it if they are being scumread, whereas when people are town they sometimes have an attitude that they can do no wrong and that their actions should always be regarded as obvious town.

[Egix96]

I actually put effort in finding more evidence today I don’t know what you are talking about. Your yelling and pouting are AtE with no substance behind them And a whole lot of self-preservation

u are confbiased but its ok other town will win the game after my death ok?

Call me a pessimist but I'm not so confident about that.

cuz im like seeing bugspray/facebones/cook team here rereading i think the whole "notes pt" debacle was orchestrated by bugspray which is kinda in line with the type of strategy they would employ -> thus why cook was like "facebones immediately clear"

If that's the team and they consciously decided to use that as a strategy then that is pretty shameful. Stuff like that should not be within the scope of the game.

Supposed to say NEGATIVE three point five.

Also, I wanted a policy elim to shut one of them up so we could get back to scumhunting.

do u think scum pushes policy elims on their partners' slots?

Tbf that was directed towards Esooa more than you, I think.

Null:
Tris

I missed Bugspray
Shove *them in the null basket

Huh. I mean, I think that both of those slots are town, so I'm wondering if you have a balance of good/bad points for each of them, or if you just haven't been looking at them.

[Egix96]

They're more town leans than null tbh, but none of their posts really stood out to me like they did with the others. Why do you think they're both town?

I laid it out in 1042 but the tl;dr is good associations with Cook.

[Egix96]

I know that eliminating me won't help town, so why raise my head over the parapet and get shot like say...dkkoba did. games would be much easier for town if no one lied and just did the boring things and let scum have to be weird and justify their awful actions.

There's a part of me that sees this and thinks, "oof, caught for the wrong reasons much?"

Catching up...

[Egix96]

Flea, a 6 means slight town lean for you right? I find that surprising considering all that you said about Koba in your multiquotes.

[Egix96]

you want me to elim a slot that might be about to spew town because lol?

Tbf Gamma had a whole day if they were gonna do that.

Like yeah, I would've considered it to be anti spew if I didn't already have a TR on the slot.

[Egix96]

Town:
No Point
Flea
RLotus

Null:
Tris
Jim
Geraintim

Scum:
DkKobra
Andre
Egix

First of all, this is really why I’m voting here. And second, I think Koba might have been right.

Also, Tris had Egix96 as Town, so I’m going to let off there for a bit, see where this takes us.

What issue(s) do you see with that reads list?

[Egix96]

What issue(s) do you see with that reads list?

Egix no offense but

you

should clearly see the issue with the reads list. Unless you’re going to openly admit that you’re Scum, two of the bottom three are for sure wrong from your POV.

Wrong does not equal scum. Next post is fair tho.

[Egix96]

And egix has been calling you scum so maybe you aren't as obvtown as a I perceive.

Tbf that was quite a while ago. I should give Andres another look when I have the chance.

[Egix96]

My guess is scum!Andre didn't want to elim town!DkKobra D1 because as he stated earlier, DkKobra is the only reason why Andre signed up for this game in the first place

Hardly relevant imo.

[Egix96]

Intent to hammer, I'm taking that selfvote as a scum claim.

[Egix96]

My guess is scum!Andre didn't want to elim town!DkKobra D1 because as he stated earlier, DkKobra is the only reason why Andre signed up for this game in the first place

Hardly relevant imo.

Hypothetical: You join a game only because of person A. You roll scum, they roll town- would you want to vote for person A on D1 and have them eliminated for the rest of the game or would you prefer to keep them around for a bit longer and sheep their reads, in a very similar vein as one of your scum buddies (Cook) did?

Joining a game just because someone else did is not an excuse to attach yourself to them all game.

It's almost as silly as saying I shouldn't have voted geraint d2 just because he's from the same country as me.

[Egix96]

Will try and get more stuff done/elaborate later, but I think there's a fair chance Bones is just scum here.

[Egix96]

Spoiler: Bottom of page 28 to end of D1

698 - Would guess that Jim/Andres are same alignment based on this post.

712 (Lotus) - Some superficial town feels here.

717 - Interesting that Flea is still here then.

739 (Bones) - Lamist post.

758 - +town for Andres.

762 - I think others have touched on this point recently, and yes, it is part of why I suspect Bones.

786 (Zuko) - "Idk why I feel that way about flea, maybe cos they were quick to go into the town block.. idk exactly I'll try to come back to this." - I'm looking at this post and thinking, what part of this could have motivated scum to kill this person? I think this part is a bad look for Flea but then again that's not really a direction I feel confident pushing in. The only other part of this Zuko post that I think could have any relevance is the "I'm paranoid about DK..." section, if only to solidify the viewpoint of Koba looking bad upon Cook flipping scum.

789 (geraint) - I actually think it's pretty towny that he was willing to give a "no idea" response when he wasn't even sure if the question was meant for him.

796 - It seems like Flea might have had a similar thought too.

822 (Hawkins) - I think this is unlikely to have been a bus, considering that a lowposter would not want to lose a buddy, especially when Hawkins could have simply tried to keep pushing on geraint.

829 (Flea) - Oof, that's a scummy "agreed" given the context.

853 (Cook) - Andres might just be spewed town from this - using a bunch of pointless statistics to explain the vote on Andres suggests that Cook was desperate to see it through.

860 (geraint) - +town for calling Cook out on his BS.

992 (geraint) / 994 (bugspray) - More town-feelsy stuff.

1007 (Flea) - Disregarding the "I'll get to that later"-type parts, this catchup is mostly throwing shade at people. Sure, there's a Cook vote at the end, but I don't really think it affords town points since Cook was already in anti-spew mode judging by 1000.

1025 (tris) - "not sure who the other mafs are yet. gonna go take a look. if had to guess a name right now, i'd say... maybe facebones after all." - Could well be that this was one reason for tris being NKed. Wouldn't be too blatant since this was a D1 post.

tl;dr Flea/Bones scumteam??

[Egix96]

VOTE: Facebones

[Egix96]

The unvote was by Facebones himself 8 hours later. Egix made intent to hammer in the 5th hour. That might not be enough time for any shenanigans. Do you think that he would as scum, self vote to E-1, then went afk for 8 hours? I think a gambitting scum would stay close by the forum to make sure they get away with it.

Personally I don't really think it was a gambit though, more like an "I'm just gonna vote myself because I don't know how to dig myself out of this hole" thing, which Flea then talked him out of.

[Egix96]

OK the fae madness has returned.

Facebones, you're weird and I like that.

I'm also pretty sure I know why you've put yourself at E-1

.

There is intent to hammer, would you care to claim at all, or would you rather unvote?

It's on that note that I'd like to know what fae meant by this.

[Egix96]

viewtopic.php?p=11737614#p11737614

Addendum to 1622. Similar thing here, I thought.

[Egix96]

I received the fruit last night.

[Egix96]

Can everyone please give me their reads on Flea? I feel like they're slipping off people's scum-radar

I'm trying to get some re-reading done, but Flea is a scum lean for me aorn.

VOTE: Flea the Magician

Does this help?

[Egix96]

Spoiler: Pages 1 to 24, ver 2

90, 91 - I'm still feeling fairly confident that bugspray is spewed town from interactions with Cook.

124 (Cook) - Minor counterpoint: bugspray is the only player listed in pedit #2 who is neither dead nor confirmed town.

211, 217 (bugspray) - Some possible opportunism here?? I still don't understand how the whole Esooa/Koba conflict started in the first place.

Page 10 - Tbf why does bug even push Esooa so hard?

270 (Cook) - These reads are essentially a restatement of 124 (see above).

316 (Lotus) - Not sure if I had already mentioned this in my N1 notes, but I get non-s/s vibes from this line of questioning towards Cook.

400 (Cook) - "Is Jim worth wagoning?" - This would suggest Jim to be town imo, since it looks like Cook testing the waters for a potential miselim.

403 (Cook) - Questioning towards bugspray feels like it was done just so that Cook could show he was trying to be helpful. I would guess it's +town for bugspray in a vacuum but that's only slight.

430 (Cook) - Follow on from 400.

432 (Hawkins) - "However, I'm a little worried about the immediate bandwagoning on polaris by DkKoba and Cook. Like, literally minutes after RLotus placed his vote (with absolutely no reasoning or previous suspicion). Granted, I'm a little rusty at this game, but I'm surprised no one else has commented on that..." - Town vibes from this.

437 - This too.

440 (bugspray) - This makes little sense in the wake of 430.

454 - Jim is town, lock it in.

492/493 (Koba/bugspray respectively) - Lotus threadspewed town :v

513 (Cook) - bugspray is null here, interestingly...

527 (Cook) - This is essentially a repeat of 403, but this time aimed towards Koba.

528 (Lotus) - Town feeeeeels.

530 (Cook) - "It's also possible although unlikely Polaris is posting in a scum PT and not realizing it doesn't count towards prods here.

Otherwise, Polaris just abandoned the game after rolling VT is another likely."

- What if that is something that actually occurred?
- Why does he say VT specifically?

585 (Flea) - "Cook can't handle the heat of the kitchen AT ALL - but - could be newbtown" - Mmmmmmmhm.

586 (Flea) - Tbf there is some pushing on Cook here (e.g. faer notes on pgs. 11, 12) but it does start to turn around by pgs. 17, 21.

[Egix96]

Is anything happening?

[Egix96]

I think flea is likely town here simple because fae are the only person actually trying to advance the gamestate

If Flea is town, then who is scum?

[Egix96]

you and gerain*

Spoiler:

But yeah, what I'm thinking is this:

Jim is very likely to be town imo.
I'm also pretty sure that Lotus is town.
That leaves bugspray, geraint, and Flea.
But geraint is unlikely to be scum with bugspray, or with Flea.
Which leaves bugspray and Flea as the scumteam by PoE.

What I am being reminded of here.

[Egix96]

If PoE is your case on me, that's amazing.

Simply because

I can pull a much better scumcase on myself

Gerain and Egix possibly don't have equity together, but you know something, I'm going to OMGUS and come back later.

VOTE: Egix

Simply because 1)I'm still inside my PoE. 2)I disagree with your reads, especially on Lotus who sits just outside my PoE. 3) I think you know something I don't.

If anything, this makes me feel a bit more sure that I'm right.

[Egix96]

gerain's argument about vote coutns relies on the assumption that people will behave in a predictable way in general and i don't think that applies here because of how erratic mafiascum users are compared to the general population and also i consider any scumhunting strategy based on math without some kind of strong feeling not even has to be rigourous or even semi rigours proof

but like i just do not buy the argument but i believe it's overall nai.

this late into the game i would expect town!gerain to be townier and would be willing to put my vote between {gerain,flea}

@mod can we get a vc?[/vote]

So why vote him for it?

[Egix96]

Where's your solve, Egix?

Why are you voting Flea?

I put it here but I'll try and put it in some more detail:

- Hawkins is likely town due to interactions with Cook, since I can't really see someone whom I'm seeing as needing to depend on partners (due to Hawkins having little thread presence) to bus the scum roleblocker on Day 1. (See my note on 822 in 1564)

- Lotus is town for having fairly good interactions with Cook overall, also I have town feels from posts such as 712, 528.

- Geraint I feel has good tone in his general posting - might not sound like a lot, I know, but I do feel like he has been posting in a very genuine manner. Examples: 860, 992.

- bugspray had good early interactions with Cook, but since then has pushed hard against a few slots which are either now dead town, or ones I believe to be town.

- For Flea, I mainly don't have as much in favour of fae being town as I do for the rest, though I do think that posts such as 829, 1007 were scummy.

[Egix96]

VT, btw. Not that anyone asked for the claim

Sigh... why do I keep playing these games...

[Egix96]

VT, btw. Not that anyone asked for the claim

Sigh... why do I keep playing these games...

Explain? It's a normal, doesn't mean there ain't PRs.

I'm just disappointed in myself for being wrong. I feel like people always flip the opposite of what I was expecting them to.

[Egix96]

Egix is a deep wolf because he makes notes, seems legit...

[Egix96]

Team is probably bug+Lotus.

[Egix96]

And now you're ''Hum.. How I'm supposed to react here?''

I am being called scum by a conf town, so no shit.

Yup, that's me, I had tris pocketed so hard I killed her...

[Egix96]

"You did it anyway because WIFOM"

Works every time!

[Egix96]

It worked, you are alive, aren't you?

I meant the argument works every time (it doesn't, that was sarcasm)

Look, if you're looking for deep wolves, look at someone like bugspray who only needed to fake some good-looking early interactions with Cook and they'd be set for the rest of the game.

Or (this is a big tinfoil tho) Hawkins for being the counter wagon.

Anyway, I'm off to get some sleep.

[Egix96]

if we all had to dayvig one person right now who would it be?

1836 is still what I think, but tbf I took a break from looking at this game during night phase.

We had a fruit vendor and 2 masons, and they had a 2 shot roleblocker so I refuse to believe there isn't at least 1 of you out there with somethkng

I will say that a 2x RB isn't worth much against that town power structure, but yes, here's hoping.
(In case that didn't make it obvious, I am vanilla.)

[Egix96]

alright, who do you dayvig?

Lotus over you, but that's mainly operating on the level that if I'm not exactly on the money with my guess, then I'm voting the person who's not in what I'm seeing as the least likely scum pair (bug/geraint).

Egix/gerain makes a lot of sense, but Egix/bugspray is distinctly possible as well. In any case Egix is where I'm looking at for today.

I'm VT btw.

alright, who do you dayvig?

egix

I can understand this if you're using a similar approach to mine above, but I am curious about this because of you saying before:

Egix scum still doesn't feel right to me tho.

Is it still a factor in your read of me?

im not gonna vote egix rn

Before, you said that on a Flea town flip, the scum must be Egix/geraint. Based on 1857 you still suspect geraint, so I don't get why you're saying this now.

[Egix96]

Really?
Oh well, ggs.

[Egix96]

Egix 96 has been eliminated. They were....

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Mafia Wins!

Cook: 2-Shot Roleblocker
RLotus:

2-Shot Vanilla Cop

Bugspray: Mafia Goon

They had that as well? I'm surprised.

Well played to the three of you, anyway. Had me until it was too late