TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

[NorwegianboyEE]

CLAIM TIME !

MY ROLE IS TOWN DESU !

MEMBER OF THE ANIME AVATAR PRESERVATION FORCE !

GLORY TO THE ANIME EMPIRE !
DEATH TO THE SCUM !

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is a genuinely likable playerlist; I know all of you pretty well, with the exception of zoraster.

^^ this, I know and love the majority of players here.
VOTE: zor announcing you'll sheep Shea unconditionally is a really easy way to place an RVS vote without substance behind it.

had the same thought

didn't think it was worth a vote

Town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You guys can sit in my Page 1 townblock, zoraster and status. Hop in this pocket.

Status is null.
Did you townread them for their interaction with Misty?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm gonna bring back Face Flavor and charm my way to victory this game. Fact: I've only said this once before, and I was scum.

Which game was that Flavorman?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ah, Newbie 2039.
I've played with town!you twice actually.
I hard pushed for your lim in that game with Guillotina.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is the game where Flavor will try so hard to be town that nothing is really town yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s a silly question because Iconeum said they were going V/LA and Nancy asks on page 2 if they have something to say about the game "so far". Like there’s been so much happening.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s a silly question because Iconeum said they were going V/LA and Nancy asks on page 2 if they have something to say about the game "so far". Like there’s been so much happening.

I dont like this mindset, there seems to be a lot of things that have happened, no? Nancy has managed to give concrete opinions on a couple of things, so I would think that nancy is justified in thinking Ico could do something similar.

Ok, but this is all just playstyle discussion stuff so i’m not really interested in delving further into it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tempers already flaring from Nancy i see.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tempers already flaring from Nancy i see.

I disagreed with you. Why do you read that as irritation? And since you apparently are, do you have any take on it?

You seem to do it as both allignments so not really.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tempers already flaring from Nancy i see.

I disagreed with you. Why do you read that as irritation? And since you apparently are, do you have any take on it?

You seem to do it as both allignments so not really.

Out of curiosity, how do you know my scumgame? Of everyone who has posted, I believe only FL, Misty and Ico have seen it.

Pooky vs Flavour Leaf.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok so townpings from Nancy.
Idk how good Statusquo's abilities are, but tentatively assuming he's town as well.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, except for your insistence on your initial post that reeks scum busywork

Can you elaborate on what about Status's post reeked of scum busywork?

[NorwegianboyEE]

No you are not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Norwee

What flavor are the scum role pms norwee im curious

I wouldn't know, ask Zoraster.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Zoraster
Ramcius wagon isn't bad either, but why be a sheep when you can vote 2nd scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let's lim Flavor guyz.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The “scum busywork” to describe scumhunting is lul

Is scumhunting without any results is a scumhunting?

The first post from them was obviously just RVS to get the game started, is that what you're referring to as busywork?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's absolutely hilarious how scummy I think I look right now. I'd be tunneling me so hard.

I didn't really think so, but you pointing this out sounds kinda fake ngl.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Flavors push feels townie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If we're anayzing the two votes on me i think Misty's is scummier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you should focus less on Ramcius for a while and if he keeps being egregious you can go back to him Statusquo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Firebringer told me to ask you to slack off your 1v1.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm content with a Ramcius vote I just want to explore other avenues while you continue the pressure

I'm basically with the same stance as this person.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He thinks MistyX is town too, otherwise we had mostly the same reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Zoraster has been pretty bad/weird so far and i really want to see more pressure there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He didn't specifically talk to you, just as advice for me. But message taken.

[NorwegianboyEE]

FB did tell me something interesting about Nancy too, but i'm not going to share it until i'm more sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

FB did tell me something interesting about Nancy too, but i'm not going to share it until i'm more sure.

I’d love to hear it. Why the mystery?

Because you knowing what it is would make it useless.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwee, when you thought I was angry earlier, I wasn’t but this kind of bs really pisses me off. Read me based on WHAT I post, not HOW much.

It's not about activity i can tell you that much.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe they are watching anime.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've been told I can't quote my teammates but I CAN paraphrase them so, here's Cephrir laying down a dope beat:

Yo Zoraster, you got to do something, man
Can't just lurk around like you got no plan
See Flavor Leaf made a scummy vote
You gotta push his wagon until you're sore in the throat.

No offense, but this sounds like advice given to struggling scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

First and by way of delaying my answer until I finish with this video game, do you NOT think it's scummy?

Such a bad response.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m even more convinced i’m voting right.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do y'all have anymore of those votes on Zoraster.

[NorwegianboyEE]

DEB what on earth are you saying?

[NorwegianboyEE]

My sleep schedule is quite messed up too, to be fair.
I'm taking up exams and all classes are digital anyway, so lately i've been having this weird cycle of sleeping about 4 hours twice a day and staying up real late.
It's probably not healthy but with the lockdown it's not like it matters so i didn't bother fixing it either.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Zoraster has just been popping in with irrelevant shit. It’s not an RVS vote at this point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Misty my teammate says you are town but i really don’t understand your play and why you are voting me.
Can you explain what in the hell you are doing this game?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Damn me and Nancy be sounding like clones for a sec.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m going to take my mindmeld with Nancy as evidence they are likely same allignment as me and i’m not okay with a wagon on them today as an result.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Misty my teammate says you are town but i really don’t understand your play and why you are voting me.
Can you explain what in the hell you are doing this game?

i dont know what you're having trouble with

That you're on a wagon and not even pushing/having a justification for it.
Like stop wasting time and get on a wagon that actually has a chance to go through so we can get some pressure on slots. Especially when the gamestate's been kinda dull.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i think you're just mad that i'm voting you

Yes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you scumreading me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I legit thought you weren’t even doing that because you don’t even argue what i’ve dine that’s scummy.
Like if you call this scum hunting then i’d hate to see you being passive.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok.
I’m fine with your vote now.
It’s wrong but i expect most players in here will see that.
I just needed this clarified because blind votes annoy me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Koba and I are mindmelding on Norwee/Ico/Misty/Molla/FL being the town core.

I'm ok with Ico/Misty/FL town so far. Molla i'm unsure about.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Moderator bois.
Pine and zoraster!

Come have a nice chat with us. We won't bite, promise!

[NorwegianboyEE]

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it's unlikely for scum to make a post such as 390.
Rest of their catchup was ok.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It feels like they're trying to keep me from being town read by town reading the people town reading me

Is...is that a thing? That people do?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Flavour is in the townblock so he'll think he's got me pocketed and then i cop check him this night.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm always LHF as scum because i barely post and freeze. Does that make me town in those games? It absolutely doesn't.
Do you have reason to believe Zoraster plays like this as town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

what do you mean by understandable but safe, and what do you think it means for his alignment?

like

i don't disagree with his pushes

but i think they're really easy ones to make regardless of his alignment

so i dont think it points to anything about his alignment

which makes me read him as slightly scummy

this is a decent answer to make and makes me slightly townlean misty

They can be town but it's really annoying how they are blocking the progression of the wagon by shading me when they even admit they have no reason to read Zor as town for being LHF.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think what bothers me about Misty's play here is that they vote me and state it is because quote: "I'm voting/pushing a low hanging fruit slot", so when i ask them by which logic this slot is not scum they answer they have no idea reason to believe the slot is either scum or town. A hard null read essentially, so that just makes it super weird because why would you assume someone a player is scum for pushing a slot you yourself nullread?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think what bothers me about Misty's play here is that they vote me and state it is because quote: "I'm voting/pushing a low hanging fruit slot", so when i ask them by which logic this slot is not scum they answer they have no reason to believe the slot is either scum or town. A hard null read essentially, so that just makes it super weird because why would you assume a player is scum for pushing a slot you yourself nullread?

Fixed sentence.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think what bothers me about Misty's play here is that they vote me and state it is because quote: "I'm voting/pushing a low hanging fruit slot", so when i ask them by which logic this slot is not scum they answer they have no idea reason to believe the slot is either scum or town. A hard null read essentially, so that just makes it super weird because why would you assume someone a player is scum for pushing a slot you yourself nullread?

because that's the majority of your substantial content

No it is not.
I've expressed townreads, had opinions, posted ten times more than a couple players.
Wtf is this garbage opinion?

[NorwegianboyEE]

DEB’s been scum for like the tenth time in a row if he is in this game as well.
I’m not even sure how he plays as town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

WHERE R THE MODS

[NorwegianboyEE]

TGP is still voting Nancy? Eww.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Regarding TGP

Not the biggest fan of their ISO. Some of their posts sound fake.
Such as seeling the narrative that MistyX might be chainsawing and could be an teammate of Zoraster in post 453. (I'm not getting that vibe at all)
Claiming he agrees i'm town but disagrees about meta being a tell. (Even thought meta seems to be the reason he townreads me?)

I'm inclined to believe that Norwee is town in general because of parallels between his posting here and in the first day of mbos 10 and dung beetle,

while i agree for the most part that norwee is town here, i disagree that his scum and town game are anything close to night and day - mastina and i, for example, both hard-scumread him in d1 of mystery box of silver 10, and then he was mod-confirmed town the day after. meta shifts, people play differently, efforting scum can match their town-meta in an important game such as this.

I'm not scumreading TGP to the extent that i'd want him as an elimination over certain other slots if they don't improve. But i'm not really trusting them or seeing the same kind of attitude they had as town in Dung Beetle.

[NorwegianboyEE]

this may be a strange thing to ask but

who are the strongest scumhunters in this pl?

People don’t wanna believe it but it’s totally me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And really frustrated that nancy seems to have their own agenda and is not willing to consider anyone elses perspective, and even more frustrating that I think she's town for it.

This is like 100% town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

DEB’s vote is still worse but Dung! TGP did unvote me when it was obvious he was wrong so, that’s definitely concerning.

do you... do you think you're obvtown here? because i'd love to hear how you think so.
do you think i'm town and bad at reading you as a rule, or do you think i'm scum?

TGP, be honest with me here.
Did you roll scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

what do you mean by understandable but safe, and what do you think it means for his alignment?

like

i don't disagree with his pushes

but i think they're really easy ones to make regardless of his alignment

so i dont think it points to anything about his alignment

which makes me read him as slightly scummy

this is a decent answer to make and makes me slightly townlean misty

both mistyx and tgp get townpoints for this

This is literally giving credulence to Flavours "Ico/TGP are alligned" idea.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I might be a bit less engaged going forward. I feel genuinely awful IRL and think i came down with something.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw what’s the deal with Akarin, Pine and Zor not playing in their Team Mafia game? Shameful.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nothing else to say Zoraster? You’re ignoring a lot of slots in favour of just talking about Flavour.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I want to hear his take on events so far and at the very least a reads list or catch up post.
Shit was weak.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A loud slot is suspecting you heavily.
Do you:

A: Answer the concerns and address the allignment of the slot in question while getting back into the groove of the game.
B: Explain why their posts and stances have been so meek lately.
C: Completely ignore them, post about something irrelevant and back to lurk.

If you choose anything other than A and B chances is high you are scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh well if a self-proclaimed

loud

slot declares it I guess I better do it. I'll be perfectly clear: I don't have to do jack shit because NorwegianboyEE has said I do. I will naturally and always focus on the things that I find pertinent. If you want me to comment on other specific people, feel free to ask about them specifically.

The problem with this mindset is that you're not playing to solve but just being survivalistic.
Do you have examples of games where town!you plays like this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What kind of game? Any scum game?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwegian - can you link a scum game of yours?

Here's a recent one.
viewtopic.php?p=12496768&user_select%5B ... #p12496768

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm hostile here because I am in no way going to pretend that loudness is what we should be seeking as to whether or not someone is worthy of driving a wagon.

:`(
Me feel so bad now.
He's hostile because i claimed to be important, oh woe be me the world is so unfair.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think what is happening here is that Zor is subtly shading the push on him by indirecty labelling me as not important and that therefore the push is worthy of being ignored. Which is most definitely a scum way of handling things.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Basically he is doing this thing where he calls the criticism faced his way valid, but also shrugs it off like it has no real value.

[NorwegianboyEE]

DEB could very well be scum coasting. That's how they've been playing as scum in all my games with them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That said, i'm not really eager to eliminate DEB today as opposed to obvscum Zoraster.
I'm satisfied just putting them in the general PoE of slots that should never endgame unless they improve pile.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not sure how popular it is to hate on slots just for generally not participating but i'd eat dirt if there's at least not one or two scum hiding in this pile of coasting individuals:

{Pine, Akarin, Zoraster, Easy Bake}

[NorwegianboyEE]

Zoraster has 3 votes how about getting this wagon going.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian is irritating the shit out of me

Good.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not sure how popular it is to hate on slots just for generally not participating but i'd eat dirt if there's at least not one or two scum hiding in this pile of coasting individuals:

{Pine, Akarin, Zoraster, Easy Bake}

I don’t think Akarin is scum. Her entrance seemed townie so otherwise it’s NAI for me,

I've also liked their few posts to be fair. There's just not nearly enough of them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

how is DEBs posting in this game substantively different from your own?

DEB voteparked me and left. Pine gave a readslist.

It's not a great reads list.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nancy no offense, but i think you're really easy to pocket by scum. Pine could be scum here just popping in for an ez townread in your direction while saying i'm annoying and he can't read me to avoid taking any real stance. Sure they posted a reads list, but it's not impressive at all and i would probably support BBMolla's push there if i wasn't already on a wagon on Zoraster.
In Dung Beetle, Herta pocketed you by just calling you town if i'm not remembering wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also this argument between you two doesn't ping me as scum indicative from either.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pine calling DEB suspicious is also real funny.
What has DEB done? Pretty much nothing. What has Pine done? Well up to that point, nothing.

Insert spiderman meme.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There’s just really no point engaging with that.

Then don't.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thanks for reconciling. Please no more.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A game where DEB doesn’t hammer an E-1 wagon? What is this madness.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t fully townread Zor, but with that claim they’ve put an target on their back so i’m willing to back off since they will hopefully get resolved at some point anyways.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Zoraster
Why do you read TGP as town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pine seems genuine tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

fancy commenting on my Akarin mini-case?

It’s ok.
But i’m still debating if i should be voting TGP or not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Akarin literally the only player with less content than me, pushing me as a potentially-viable counterwagon to Zor.

Bad news is that Akarin knows how to pocket me so now i’m more inclined to vote TGP over them. :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

zoraster(6) ~ NorwegianboyEE(87), Nancy Drew 39(131), TheGoldenParadox(29), thestatusquo(108), BBMolla(32), Flavor Leaf(112)

The odd thing here from my perspective is that i mostly townread these slots except TGP and slightly BBMolla. Which makes me wonder why scum couldn’t have hammered.

[NorwegianboyEE]

*Assuming Zor is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i think this is the best new place to push.
VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

[NorwegianboyEE]

DEB wasn’t Zor in hammer range earlier?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think there's a scum in Status, Norwegian, Nancy, TGP. I think I'm town reading Nancy the most of the 4 of them.

right so anyone who's played with scum me knows this isn't my scum meta and has no excuse for voting me

god I fucking hate these arguments so much. "This isn't my scum meta." Why does everyone go here as if these statements mean anything? Guess what, if you're aware of what your "scum meta" even is, which is dubious because meta playstyle is a hugely complicated and nebulous thing, then you can play against it. Saying "my meta is this" or "my meta as town is that" is just not a fucking argument and I've heard it all over the thread and is like this really just what mafia here is now a days? Just like 13 people in a room who have purposefully decided to play differently as town and scum so they can always be town read as town just sitting there being like "well ok, these three are playing to the scum meta they said they play so those are our scum." and then you have a little nip of whiskey to celebrate and go to bed?

Like jesus fucking christ stop it. This isn't how mafia works. Why do none of you know how mafia works?

Can we go back to posting anime gifs and just limming scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i feel scum is just playing it abysmally safe this game. we're def the slowest game, right?

I'm surprised as well.
Reading this playerlist i assumed this would be an chaotic game. But it's been quite the opposite.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That might be purely because Noraa isn't in here tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

To all those voting anyone not TGP. What’s your current take.

Btw consider this E_1 because DEB will prob hammer if he get’s the chance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm Senku Ishigami, 1-shot Neighborizer (flavored Tactical Intelligence).

Not conclusive, but if the claim is true then going by setup meta it does seem more likely to be a role given to town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

884 is such a huge post for a 'i don't wanna lim these 2 players' conclusion

and i'm not even sure what to make of that

probably +scum

I tgink this is a good take and i’m glad you brought it up.
It reads to me as a bunch of empty words Zor decided to dump out to make sure town sees how "solvey" he’s being.
Doesn’t feel real.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Zoraster
Voting back here unless i find a better vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Iconeum just lay down in your grave and pray.
She comin to spank u now boi

[NorwegianboyEE]

Akarin doesn’t feel scummy to me btw, not sure about this wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let's summon Akarin back to this thread, guys

VOTE: Akarin

And this guy just pops in 2 days later with a naked vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ah.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hard Hard Hard town read on Ico.

Ico V Nancy is TvT like high 90s % of the time I think.

Not so hard for me, but i’m definitely ok with resolving the slot some other day.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Keeping vote on Zor.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you quoting to put it in your Iso or?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm just almost never up for the "lets elim the lurker" though it sounds to me like you're suggesting that DEB is more similar to someone like Not_mafia (who I can't stand playing with) than a traditional lurker.

From what i've seen of DEB's scumplay they almost never make AI posts, it's mostly just hammering wagons and coming up with fake guilties. Like that's all they do.
If they play differently as town i'd love to hear it.
But yeah i'm not feeling great about the slot so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

this akarin is just very very different from the akarin I witnessed in Among Us mafia which just finished in terms of engagement with the thread with the game with other players.

Were they town in that game?

[NorwegianboyEE]

But they will care about the wagon on BBMolla?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i want to hear some justification behind votes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nancy, your case on TGP as scum is based on how he is handling your slot. Frankly i don’t really give a toss if anyone has weird interactions with you or not, as i do not believe it to be exclusively an scumtell.
But i did find Zor’s huge wallpost with an extremely pointless conclusion to be awful and really scummy. It’s like he’s trying to appear solving, and makes a bug wall of content. But on closer inspection it reads as really forced analyzis and doesn’t really conclude a thing. And Zor doesn’t even use that information for anything.
So i believe he has scumtold much harder and is my preferred elimination for today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw i think Molla voting Pine all the time is funny and probably something town would do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum JOAT yeet

[NorwegianboyEE]

Stop being such a pine in the ass.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let all that scum anger out Mate.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Meanwhile, Towny people are voting scummy Akarin for better reasons.

What reason? Can you even explain why you are voting Akarin?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pine get's asked for reads, becomes hostile over it, then leaves.
Either he's a big baby or scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I will reread Zor’s wall but I would like you not to outright dismiss my reasons. I wouldn’t be voting TGP if I didn’t think I have good reasons for that vote.

I'm not dismissing your reasons, as i don't townread TGP. But i do believe the main argument you've been harping TGP on is largely irrelevant, or at the very least, it is not an argument i find convincing.

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@Norwegian, I've said even less to or about you.

Which is quite odd for someone you "suspect".
Why aren't you trying to solve my allignment?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Pine
The only impression i have from you is that you pop in, shade the wagon on Zor. And then vote BBMolla for no other reason than "liking the people there" (And not explaining why)
Meanwhile me, Nancy and TSQ have consistently had an stance of open dialogue and explanation of our actions and why we suspect and townread the people we do.
I think it's quite reasonable for us to think you are scum based on your lack of good faith and hidden motives so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you explain why you dislike the Zor wagon and your read on all the slots currently voting on the Zor wagon?

@Pine

[NorwegianboyEE]

Me asking why you find me suspicious is a bullshit disingenuous attack.

K.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwegian, I've said even less to or about you.

Which is quite odd for someone you "suspect".
Why aren't you trying to solve my allignment?

Nah. "Why aren't you trying to solve my alignment" when I clearly am is both nonsense and disingenuous.

I haven't seen it. But this is not really an helpful line of discussion so i'm going to move on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you just tell me your reads and why you dislike the Zor wagon.
That's what i want to hear, i couldn't care less about the other stuff you go on about.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We have the slowest game because half the slots either vote and don’t say anything. Or tell people that want discussion to fuck off.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I want to get rid of an relatively inactive and unhelpful slot today.
BBMolla does not fit that criteria as they seem engaged.
Akarin has had bursts of activity.
Zor has done nothing but excuses and made scummy posts.

Of these current wagons i endore Zor, could maybe be convinced on Akarin but not really as i don’t see why they are scummy. BBMolla no.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Endorse Zor*
Not endore lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I want to get rid of an relatively inactive and unhelpful slot today.
BBMolla does not fit that criteria as they seem engaged.
Akarin has had bursts of activity.
Zor has done nothing but excuses and made scummy posts.

Of these current wagons i endore Zor, could maybe be convinced on Akarin but not really as i don’t see why they are scummy. BBMolla no.

molla's in the top half of posts

why'd you mention him here

Because i am talking about the current leading wagons.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m probably going to be completely wrong with this read since it’s based on not much else than gut. But i think it’s somewhat townie that DEB is paying attention to the game but hasn’t voted anyone and is just saving up to hammer a wagon.
There is no agenda in that.
But again, it depends on if we are wagoning scum or town right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh wait. He is voting Ramcius according to VC.
I didn’t even realize.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Consider my vote a floater until someone is in hammer range.

Ok no, i’m basically remembering right.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This only really goes for DEB since that slot seems to often choose this particular playstyle. I wouldn’t townread any of the other slots here currently for this play.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m sure he would hammer both scum and town if it lead up to it. As both alignments, but surely he would influence more in a preferrable direction if he was scum.
That’s my thought here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Zoraster&Pine moderator scum team just a conspiracy theory or reality?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum is probably this:
{Zoraster, Pine, TheGoldenParadox}

[NorwegianboyEE]

Categorized

Town:
-Mistyx
-Nancy Drew 39
-Flavour Leaf
-thestatusquo
-BBMolla

Leantown:
-Dr Easy Bake
-Akarin
-Iconeum

Null
-Ramcius

Scum
-Pine
-Zoraster
-TheGoldenParadox

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why voting Akarin FL?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scumreading because Pine has been really lame these latest pages and not a fan of how they are treating the Zor wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Town:
-Mistyx
-Nancy Drew 39
-Flavour Leaf

I really hate this.

Ugh, Norwegian, your list looks so damn political.

I don't understand what your problem is with it or why it should be "political".
I think i've explained my reads well.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe something meant something else.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think people can and do play differently all the time.

I’m only aware of that scumgame but antagonistic town!Pine is something I’ve encountered a lot in his towngames but of course you’re right. However I agree with FL on how he’s viewing Pine’s reaction to the Zor wagon.

At any rate, I don’t think I’m ever voting Norwee or Misty here, so if we have a point in the game where it’s me, Norwee, Misty and Pine, I’d obviously vote Pine but I’m concerned that Ico who is ironically giving me shit for my TGP read appears to be basing his Pine read off of emotional reactions, so I don’t trust that. I think you and Norwee are approaching his slot in a way that I can’t immediately dismiss but I agree with FL, I still think he could be town doing this.

Ok i will defer to you and FL's read on Pine as i have no experience with the slot.
Still not a fan of their playstyle.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do agree that if TGP is scum then Ico being their teammate has increased equity.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think ico is one of my strongest town reads in the game fwiw.

Why is this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think Iconeum's scum game is bad, so i don't see why he couldn't theoretically have gone under the radar as scum.
Not saying he is, but i disagree with the level of strength you have on your read here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do think Nancy is obvtown at this point, i just don't believe their argument on why TGP is definitely scum is as suuuuuper convincing as they make it out to be. So i want to just keep wagoning Zor who has been scummier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do think Nancy is obvtown at this point, i just don't believe their argument on why TGP is definitely scum is as suuuuuper convincing as they make it out to be. So i want to just keep wagoning Zor who has been scummier.

ok but my question is what has nancy done this game that she couldn't theoretically replicate as scum? Like, yeah I agree that in general that shes more likely to be town than not based on how I'm reading her motivations but I don't understand why scum nancy could not play this exact game this exact same way?

Scum!Nancy is pretty one-dimensional imo, they also lurk more. They are definitely aggressive as both alignments as i've pointed out before, but their reasons for getting mad so far makes sense from them.
I'm really not seeing them as scum in this game, and you can quote me on that henceforth.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Me during most of these 1v1's

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fine maybe u are town Ico.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I asked for advice and FB says they think FL shouldn’t be that high town and TGP is kind of limbaity so not sure there.
Personally i think TGP is limbaity as both allignments so it’s not too much of a worry to me. But yeah, FL maybe leantown and not that high town. Cus paranoia i guess.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wrt Pine, no offence Norwee but he wouldn’t know that you being “irritating” is an extremely strong towntell for you.

Lolwat.

Not to rain on your parade but i have been called one of the most annoying players in a scumgame i had. And probably other times too.
Annoyingness NAI.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ramcius can you try to focus on something other than yourself or how other slots interact with you.
What's your take on the game right now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do the thing.


DO THE THING!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't like how FL keeps shading me by saying my reads are political, calling stuff fake. Etc.
It's not something that can be argued against. It's just a very easy way to shade.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If a scum deepwolf wanted to shade an too townread player and knock them down a bit that's the kind of phraseology they'd use.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What do you mean by enabling Ico?

[NorwegianboyEE]

you're giving Ico momentum to push Nancy instead of you.

Don't make me spit out my drink.

Wtf are you talking about?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Ico's push against Nancy is silly, and i'm not sure how serious it is.
So yes, i am egging it on so i can understand it better and what their mindset really is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But to say i've "picked a side" is quite frankly disingenuous. I've townread Nancy for a long time and to say i've chosen a side against her is either you being supremely ignorant, or malicious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do the thing.


DO THE THING!

So, your attempt to engage me was just to show some busywork? You don't even care why I'm happy with Akarin elim today, nor you trying to convince me to choose someone else, like zor, who is pretty much in same spot as Akarin - scummy lurker

That post you're quoting was a joke.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well look at that, looks like my post helped solve Ramcius's alignment after all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just so it's clear. This:

Do the thing.


DO THE THING!

Is intended as an response to this:

If you want anything specific, you can ask me, but don't be second TSQ and tell me "do the thing"

Not this:

nancy stop beating around the push

i want you to quote me where i pushed you to vote akarin

ur actually beginning to tilt me here

[NorwegianboyEE]

like even if you're town, you can't not see why I'm suspicious

What is this anyway. I do not understand what you are trying to say here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're also enabling Ico, someone I also am semi suspicious of, and in the group I think I am wrong to town read everyone in.

@Norwee, while I don’t agree with FL’s read on you, he isn’t wrong about this. My take is that you’re stunned town not really knowing how to react to it but you really should acknowledge that what Ico is doing to me now/has been doing, to me is ubershitty irrespective of alignment.

Ok.

The state of Norway officially condemns Iconeums actions as morally incorrect and will be dropping severe sanctions between our foreign relations with them if an written apology to Nancy is not seen in the next 24 hours.

[NorwegianboyEE]

like even if you're town, you can't not see why I'm suspicious

What is this anyway. I do not understand what you are trying to say here.

it was me saying town you should be able to see why I would think it's suspicious.

No you said if i was town then there is no way i can't see why you are suspicious. Clearly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you're misunderstanding my thoughts here, i didn't give Iconeum a townread for scumreading you. In fact, i didn't think they honestly scumread you at all. I thought it was a joke they were taking to the next level and having fun with. If they are actually serious then i think it's an bad take.
I was just townreading their mood, or what i assumed to be their mood anyway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i know you scumread me as town FL.
That's literally what you did in that large i referred to earlier where you played as Pretentious.
Kept saying i was scum when i felt like i'd never been townier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't really understand what Iconeum would gain by pushing you here though? I think it's been made pretty clear that almost no slots has any interest in pushing you anymore, or at the very least should be quite aware it will be difficult as you are so townread.
I guess i just don't see what scum!Ico has to gain by picking a fight on you, but i suppose he could be trying to get townread like you said. That's a possibility i didn't really consider.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fuck my team is in shambles.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Long story short.
My team just lost ABR and Firebringer.

It's just me and Morning Tweet now. Until we get replacements.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was never an ABR fan ftr.

Well i'll finish this game regardless of what happens in the other games.
Just for the record. I definitely do not agree with what he did.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is such an unproductive conversation.
Ico can you break down what this is about.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok so it's because Nancy didn't make a comment about your Akarin case?
That's what all this shoutings about?

Jeez.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Spoiler:

I asked him to read TGP, and Ceph thinks it's possible TGP is scum, but is confused at why he's a popular target. Also as scum it'd be weird to go after Nancy because she'll definitely OMGUS you. Not the wagon I'd go for today, and it's practically the same wagon as the one that was on me (Flavor, BBmolla, Nancy, NEE). The only difference is Mistyx being on it and shea avoiding it despite really going after TGP (and obviously TGP not being on it). Kind of just reinforces to me that assuming there were a couple of scum on my wagon that it's not TGP.

Let's talk about interactions between common people on these wagons.

NEE about Flavor: Opening post is a vote for FL, says that FL vote is town. Directly talks to FL once. Gets asked a question directly by FL and responds with a scum game. Once more recently but just about how the game isn't chaotic.
Flavor about NEE: Quite a few. Asks NEE about his reads. There's a short back and forth previously mentioned here.

These two don't seem to be likely to be both scum, though I admit Flavor seems like the type of person who is good at interacting with his scummates.

NEE about BBMolla: basically agrees with BBM saying he's content with the Ram vote. Claims he'd support a BBM wagon if not for the wagon on me... then joins the TGP vote (justified later by then saying that TGP is the scummy one and bbmolla is "slightly scummy")
BBM about NEE: Votes for NEE in a jokingly way then goes back to the Pine project he assigned himself. No further interactions.

If one of these two are scum I could definitely see the other being scum. NEE could be halfheartedly distancing from BBM. That said, BBM doesn't have many interactions with anyone so have to adjust on that basis.

NEE about Nancy: His iso is FULL of interaction with Nancy.
Nancy about NEE: Likewise here.

Are NEE and Nancy otherwise good friends? Because assuming not, it seems unlikely to me that these two are together.

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BBM about Flavor: Gets asked a direct question by FL and answers it quickly. Says he's "unconcerned with sorting FL today."
Flavor about BBM: Spends some time calling BBM "obviously town." Other than the direct question to BBM has no interaction with him until BBM says that he's unconcerned with FL.

Definitely a possible pairing, though again part of this is BBM has fewer interactions overall so it seems less determinative.

BBM about Nancy: recently called Nancy town. Otherwise nothing.
Nancy about BBM: Agrees with the Pine vote by BBM. Calls into question BBM's Pine vote later. Answers a question about Ramcius.

Nancy's posts to BBM seem pretty organic at least.

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Nancy about Flavor: Similar to NEE, Nancy has oodles of interactions.
Flavor about Nancy: Similar.

Again, I think Nancy and Flavor are probably two people who would interact a lot with their scum partners, but I have no reason to believe that they're both scum aligned.

Eliminating Flavor and him turning scum would point me toward BBM but probably not NorwegianboyEE. My town read of Nancy aside, I feel like the two of them are probably well suited to playing off each other as scum.

Eliminating BBM doesn't really do much for this type of analysis, unfortunately as he could be a potential partner to basically anyone on that list.


NEE and Nancy aren't really two people I'm excited to see go today outside of this.

This isn’t a bad post.

Why do you like this post?
It’s so pointless to me.
Huge wall that concludes 1+1=2 essentially.
Why use thus much effort for this? Why type it at all? It really just reads to me as an attempt to impress. LAMIST.

[NorwegianboyEE]

For what it's worth, I did not read Ico vs Nancy

Amen to that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s interesting you both are voting Zor and yet arguing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Shirou/Nibbui/Volpe14/Bunno whatever you want to call them replaced into my team and caught up to this game and wanted me to share their reads:

Ico is very likely town
Nancy is likely town
TGP is probably town?

Status is above null but I don't think he can't fake his ISO so far
BBMolla is a tid bit above null
Zoraster is slightly above null for the Ceph posting
Mystix is kinda neutral to me (good and bad)
Ramcius confuses me at the moment
Akarin is a bit worse than null

Dr Easy Bake is uninmpressive but it's expected
Flavor is uninimpressive
Pine is uninmpressive

I don't have any scum reads but I do think flips on [Flavor, Pine] would be spicy, [DEB] isn't a complete waste of a lim, and [Akarin] is worth looking at the moment maybe?

I think there's scum in the nulls but I don't have enough to point to anyone. I'm comfortable with my town reads.

Disclaimer from Shirou: "since my reads/yours are quite different, any questions towards those reads should be directed at me if possible, I'll reply to them when I can"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Shirou said they didn't want to overrule my own reads, but i said they might as well give input since it'll be something else than more of Nancy/Ico's argument to react to.

[NorwegianboyEE]

does shirou have first-hand experience with most of the slots they are giving reads about?

I've experience with FL, TGP, Nancy, BBMolla and one game with DEB

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sorry i should paraphrase.
They have experience with FL, TGP, Nancy, BBMolla and one game with DEB.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Volpe is probably the type that wants me to be scum, though, if you're town. That last post was me slightly shading the post, but it didn't come across within the playful arrogance.

Actually i think they said something about how they usually ignore 99% of your content and only latch on to one distinct comment and analyze it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am very disappointed in DEB.
They had just one job, but couldn’t do it right.

[NorwegianboyEE]

After re-thinking things yesterday with my team i have reasons to believe TGP’s claim is more likely town.
First of all, their play makes more sense as town than scum due to key points from Shirou.
And JJH told me their claim makes sense with their flavour. And setup wise it’s more likely a town claim too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s the epitome of a NAI claim, while I started to lean town on THP for other reasons, that reasoning is poor.

I don’t care.
I’m convinced.

[NorwegianboyEE]

zoraster

(7) ~ thestatusquo(194), NorwegianboyEE(190), Mistyx(70),

BBMolla

(80), Nancy Drew 39(316), Iconeum(207), Flavor Leaf(217) -- HAMMER
Akarin(3) ~ Ramcius(63), Pine(25),

zoraster

(26)

BBMolla

(2) ~ TheGoldenParadox(45), Akarin(38)
Ramcius(1) ~ Dr Easy Bake(20)

[NorwegianboyEE]

zoraster

(4) ~ thestatusquo(171), NorwegianboyEE(132), Mistyx(62),

BBMolla

(73)
Akarin(4) ~ Flavor Leaf(173), Ramcius(53), Iconeum(105), Pine(24)

BBMolla

(3) ~ TheGoldenParadox(43),

zoraster

(25), Akarin(23)
TheGoldenParadox(1) ~ Nancy Drew 39(217)
Ramcius(1) ~ Dr Easy Bake(18)

Akarin wagon at it's peak.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Akarin

This will be more informative.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why TGP?

@Ramcius

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why TGP?

@Ramcius

He was most promising counterwagon to zor

Also, DGB said that he was "too good" and that's sometimes a sign of scum and I agree with that - scum are more likely to think through everything they say

i was... too good? i don't understand how dgb is reading here, because i certainly don't think i've played particularly well this game.

Yeah, if possible i would like Ramcius to reiterate in what what you were being "too good" and what that even implies.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In what way*

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't know why you're asking this. Is it necesarry for us to know who he neighborized?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, you forgot pressure on Pine, which was another lurk push that wasn't going anywhere

Half this game are lurkers.
Refusing to vote a wagon because they lurk is like saying you refuse to vote a huge chunk of slots only for that reason.