TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

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blacklisting all of the worsts teammates worked beautifully

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I think we're friends now. This has been a magical moment, thank you.

Xtoxm you'd better believe I'm coming at you for rolling scum without me.

so we werent before? damn.

hmhm
i wonder if we're finally same team this time

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pocket a setup spec nerd

im a setup spec nerd and i like pockets
but gl if ur not town

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How the quack do you know hercule is town already? Just because AT&T betrayed him doesn't automatically make him a goof guy. AT&T could be early bus'ing

he is active off the bat and his fp seems excited, both things i associate at least somewhat with town
not into the trend of wagoning the most active player d1
idgi

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you're a good guy a50 <3

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#510 is an objectively good post

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also tell him we dont care abt his input until we have literally any kind of mech info

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Also yes I am approaching the game from a Scum!A50 standpoint because that is my view. Why would I approach it otherwise? Seems counter-intuitive to me.

if you assume something, you will find it

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auro seems to be following the game, he's made some comments today and yesterday.

in summary:
-post 125 is fake
-ABR is displaying an unusual lack of effort. he's never seen ABR's scum game.
-townreading dann for depth of thought on page 6
-he is mindmelding with hectic
-he highlights the following quote and notes that AGar is right on point:

The ABR vote and feelers were specifically to maybe hopefully coax something out of ABR considering he's been the quietest person in this thread wrt what is few posts actually say. I've literally never seen this from ABR and it's the antithesis to his bloated ego to sit back and let someone else dictate a gamestate.

im in general agreement with him on abr thread. dann's posting is fine but a townread is premature, i don't believe i've seen anything i wouldnt be expecting wolf-dann to be doing.

(this is not the full extent but thats all i want to share)

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DGB is just copying my reads which is not normal for her.

i..dont think this is accurate at the first stage
dgb pushed herc and then hopkirk, both players you haven't mentioned, before coming to agar
what gives you the impression she is copying you?

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@O50
my own read on you is solid town, mainly for 737 and 859
i hope you can reach hypertown level like you did last tm

@agar
you can talk to me if there's something you don't understand, you know. i didn't vote you (or anyone) yet because its an approach i decided to take this game. i believe i probably would have voted you in there if i hadn't made that decision.
you're talking in extreme terms about things and i'm finding it hard to take you seriously
ie, ceph scumclaiming, titus almost certain
im not 'almost certain' of anything in this game. the gates have barely opened and we have almost no information.

#840 is the kind of post i usually hard town read (slot under pressure dumps content type post) but im just not really getting that feeling here which is concerning.

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also @O50
boon hasn't read the game afaik and i doubt he's planning to but i'll pass it on
maybe you'll get a reply eventually

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well i am offended
bad duckling
no breadcrumbs

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I heard breadcrumbs increase prosperity level if that helps convince you ~~~

what's your read on me, Mr. Oxm?

i dont have a read on you.
i have very little actual experience with you (ie being town) and the only time i was i got you wrong. i think knew somewhere in my heart you were scum but i let you pocket me (to a degree).
what ive seen from you so far is giving me little in either direction and i feel like im going to need to at least a cycle to begin getting a solid grasp on you.
my perception of your scumrange, and my determination to get you right this time, are combining to make me mentally reluctant to do anything with you.

you got anything on me?

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@Dann
could i have a summary of your reads on duun, titus, agar, hopkirk, tw, and myself

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i tr titus tring iv for sring her

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1079

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scum a typically reluctant to hard tr a slot thats going for them
auro also feels titus recent content is towny

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yeah
but she stuck to it and strengthened with the new information

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i think it would have been really easy to just not make a comment there, or leave it at 'i havent got there yet'

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scum a typically reluctant to hard tr a slot thats going for them
auro also feels titus recent content is towny

"going for them"? iv has the assertion of a damp napkin. what scum is afraid of townreading him?

can auro expand on that please?

we havent discussed this specific interaction. its my own interpretation. auro said we liked her content on p44 a good amount. i'll see if he expands.

i think it would have been really easy to just not make a comment there, or leave it at 'i havent got there yet'

basically what she did no?

no

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auro wishes for me to call out 1833 as fake news, his read was unrelated to iv.
he is a fan of mastina and would possibly be willing to sheep her on d1.
he also notes that he dislikes 1917.
paraphrased.

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WINTER FLAKES WAS UNCROWNED ALL ALONG???

Look who's not reading. This was mentioned early in the game.

i even knew, and im barely reading

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I want to talk to xtoxm but alas

alas

Spoiler:

intent to hammer

I want to talk to xtoxm but alas

do you really tho

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i cant find the exchange in our disc but auro said you felt understated or something compared to wf/whats hes used to and suggested i prod you a bit

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i cant find the exchange in our disc but auro said you felt understated or something compared to wf/whats hes used to and suggested i prod you a bit

okay I wondered if it was someone on your team directing you, why did you pick out those names in particular to question me on?

I've also posted reads since then and wondered if you or any of your team mates have had time to catch up and form impressions off those

i just relayed the question, i chose not to mention it was from auro to not colour your response, if you made one.
its been a while since there were comments on my game. i'll @ him. maybe we'll talk abt it 2mo.

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i kinda stopped caring and made that clear
pb/fl are busy anyway

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i cant find the exchange in our disc but auro said you felt understated or something compared to wf/whats hes used to and suggested i prod you a bit

Every other post Xtoxm makes is "aura said ___"

i kinda stopped caring and made that clear
pb/fl are busy anyway

Why are you not capable of playing the game on your own?

my favourite people in this event are the ones i signed up in a TEAM with, not the ones in this game (with a few notable exceptions), and i have more fun talking to my friends about the games than posting in this game.
fuck off dunnstral.

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Spoiler:

{a50, abr}
{dann, mastina, hop}
{oka, hercule, ceph, agar}
{unwnd, wf, tw, iv, dgb, titus}
{ythan}

ceph - i tr one of his early posts. the feeling has largely dissipated and he's part of the bandwagon block i have issues with.
hercule - mild town feeling early on which is better than nothing i guess
oka - he asks me questions but i dont get any sense he cares about answers. a50 made a good point about his vote habits. i could vote here. auro is telling me he's town, and i trust his read more than my own.
a50 - he may not push his reads or explain but he has some stunning accuracy on d1 reads. high chance of 1-2 scum in his poe.
ythan - he had one post that pinged me 728
dann - auro thinks the read post is townie, tho i didnt get the sense he had read it in much detail. i know he's perfectly capable of making solid towny readlists as scum (no deadlines). i tl mainly for his interaction with me last night, he seemed genuinely interested in my responses.
abr - i think scum!abr takes my mislim here. he's drawn so much attention to himself that hasn't benefited him at all, mostly the opposite. i don't understand why scum!abr is doing the things he's doing here, so he's very likely town.
agar - like some of his takes, such as the commentary on abr

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Xtoxm if u dont interact with me anymore and thus not see my response to your response why would you even think i dont care about your answers

I literally cannot show whether i care or not

i will make an effort to interact with you, but i ask that you treat me with respect. 2562-2565 have a disingenuous, mocking feel to them, and i can tell.

i could vote here. auro is telling me he's town, and i trust his read more than my own.

why would you vote there if you trust auro's read more?

i mean to say, that would be the case, if i wasn't choosing to trust auro's read above my own.

he's part of the bandwagon block i have issues with. -xtoxm

This is the first time you expressed an issue with the bandwagon block? elaborate on the issues? what does auro think?

it's felt like the main wagons (me, abr, agar) have been driven by largely the same people, which gives me a strong instinct to oppose them. [note: needs fact checking]
auro mentioned that he's liked none of the major wagons today.

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that was literally it, but i'll ask him now

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he was thinking of bandwagoning when he made this comment. the same more vocal players voting in a clump, and feels this has restricted momentum on any other read, no strain created by the votes, or counterwagon interaction.
he also wishes to say he hasn't had a chance to do a deep dive into the game, so his reads are a little on the surface, but he plans to do this if our slot remains in the game.
(bad paraphrasing)

how much of this game have you kept up with/who should we be looking at to yeet from your eyes?

more than you might think.
my weaker reads (4th line and below, possibly 3rd if someone i tr really presses me), but i'm unlikely to vote tw today.
i'm not really thinking about voting at the moment.

p-ed
ooh wall

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The opposition represents the members who have openly expressed a deep disliking for the existence of the bloc and the desire to kill multiple members of the bloc, today.

i feel like this is a gargantuan stretch wrt myself

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i posted it in the team pt first. no changes were made.

auro has written a post that i'll try to paraphrase.

it's clear to me that x is not having much fun this game, which reflects in the talks with me. he's struggling to get into the game, and the amount of pressure is a factor in the lack of will to post. he is always a low content player on day one. he has been unfairly insulted. given some space he may be able to make a stronger contribution. his uncaring posts have stemmed from this, as opposed to an actual lack of bother, in my opinion. it troubles me that you fail to realise this, when you had a good connections to my emotions last year. i admit this isnt so much to go off of, however.

as far as my support, i need not invest a lot of time into cases, or reads: rather than make hollow promises to do work later i'd write posts for x and instruct him to present them as his own. he runs his reads by me, and we talk about them. why is this scum indicitive? he is usually posthing things in the pt if he has put time into it, not just things for this game also, mastina was correct there. i am not craving for extra days, i just wish to be build my own reads and present them. i dont think its particularly damaging if we die. im not currently happy with my own takes. the situation here is very different to that of wf last year, as i felt saving my own slot was essential for town to win that game.

pb and fl may not have contributed to this game yet, but this is because are busy, not because they do not care. they'll get up to speed when they can. [end auro]

fl has now made some comments which i'll try to paraphrase next.

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just curious xtoxm do you have a DC with your team? i ask because our team literally only uses DC for communication, not PT

yes, that's where the vast majority of discussion occurs.

FL comments:
- expects 2 scum on our wagon, 1 on the counter wagon. he thinks the cw scum is most likely the worst.
- says we (my teammates) are in the wrong for not putting more focus on the game.
- scum are afriad of him getting his hands on the late game
- leans town on abr based on his late hop on our wagon

he's also telling me to claim; we are a tracker.

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i believe what auro was saying earlier is that it's not a game loss situation if we die
im having to paraphrase

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- xtoxm's post wasn't a copy/paste of something a teammate wrote because that would break rules

thank you. ive been feeling super gaslit by this

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i get what you're saying about 2180 but you also know from that game that giving openly claimed PRs one night to get results isn't exactly... that reliable (ie you were simply roleblocked)?

learning that scum have a roleblocker is still useful information. and thats worst case.

either a) we trust xtoxm TRACKER claim and we let him out information until we hit lylo and then we can judgement call on him then or b) we do not trust the claim and flip him now

reconsidering him every day is the worst path regardless of what xtoxm actually is

claimed trackers don't make it to lylo. it's not useful way of thinking about it. either i get limmed because people care about their reads more than information, or scum don't risk being cephrir'd and just take me out. i

am

their only solid tpr lead rn. i agree with the final point, but i've been here before.

i need to stop posting and do my job

ABR's completely fake read on me should be like abundantly transparent by now. he wants my elim, but can't put a reason on why. everything he's posted trying to explain it is naked posturing - i repeat, guy is scum or criminally dense and i like to assume the best in poeple.

if anyone wants to towncase him, hit me.

i repeat - i don't understand why scum!abr has played the way he has. he's really put his neck out antagonising the wagon park on me for the past week, what has he gained from doing this? other than tr by the least valuable slot, social dynamic wise. he was the first one to oppose my original wagon in a significant way. first one to unvote after my claim. i read the late hop on to my wagon as him having had enough and wanting to progress the game, i don't think it's suspicious. my team agree. i tr him pretty hard.

I'm kinda indifferent to the claim

could you expand on what you mean here?

Will we believe any results?

you will when i flip. what you believe in the meantime is largely irrelevant.

And I fucking do realize my argument (about DGB) is falling on deaf ears, so I'm just making it for MY OWN SAKE (post-game I get to brag about it)

i'm there for it.
-pushes the shitty take that im c+p my teammates post
-make comments undercutting value of my role. AND has mislimmed me as tracker before in similar situation, should know better.
VOTE: dgb

Damned if I didn't expect you to be a PR by play. (No, I'm not bragging and I wasn't even confident as I noticed no crumbs from X. It's just me be familiar of the way he plays overall, I had him down as 60-70% a TPR, and I sure as he; couldn't have used "I think he's a TPR" to explain the TR).

<3
i don't makes clues for scum. the practise is inane. scum are perfectly able to fake crumbs.

my teammate from last year, and the player that knows me best keep saying im not scum, while those with no or little experience with me think they know better. maybe listen to them.

okay, so we know it was written in the TEAM PT AND NOT THE SCUM PT. ok lol.

please stfu about this

Yes x has all the hallmarks of town pe play like not caring and saying it doesn't matter if they die

That makes total sense

i'm glad you're seeing things my way

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bad
bad hog