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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:34 am

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  • Sirius9121
    (1) - The Bulge
  • Augustus
    Caesar
    (1) - Adorable
  • Aristophanes
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  • Datisi
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  • Summer
    Nights
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  • Creature
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  • xofelf
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  • DeasVail
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    (2) - Datisi, xRECKONERx
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Deadline: (expired on 2021-01-29 21:00:00)
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The foxfires seem to spawn closer to T-Bone than the enemies sometimes, but are still allowed to damage both of us. They don't do much damage though, and T-Bone is forced to also fight with his fisticuffs, which are not very strong.
A few jackals and a rat should be easy to fight in the beginning but, this didn't go well.
The fight dragged into the north due to repositioning to ensure T-Bone only fights one jackal at a time. It is an important part of strategy in crawl.
I intended for the next screenshot to be a new fight, but T-Bone very well may die here so there is a screenshot of this climactic moment.
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:35 am

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In post 247, The Bulge wrote:
In post 198, Datisi wrote:eh, i felt it was decently similar enough that i don't see why you'd be suspicious of me here but i don't think we're gonna get anything more out of this
what did you mean when you said it was "bothering" you?
it's like, you're in my townleans atm, but in my mind you disliking those posts is a point against town!you. it's not a particularly strong point, but it's There, like a tiny pebble in my shoe.
In post 248, The Bulge wrote:
In post 240, Datisi wrote:
In post 235, Ydrasse wrote:if she was scum and adorable was town she knows she could probably push through an elim on adorable given how the spotlight's been there so far
correct me if i'm wrong, but so far, only 2 people have actually said they suspect adorable while even before peta/deas, hectic was defending her. like, this kinda read seems... very premature? because two (2) people have said they're sus of (assume town) adorable, you'd think scum would immediately go trying get that execution, less than 10 pages in?
which 2 people are you talking about here?
me and reck?
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:39 am

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ok my first thought was peta/dv for prodding at adorable in the first place and wasn't sure which pair you weren't mentioning
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:01 am

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Do not fear, everyone. I have returned from my boating expedition. There was an uh... accident, and I lost a dear friend as the boat capsized and he was swallowed by the depths beneath. It was terribly tragic and I'm still in mourning, so bear with me please.

Oh, and I'm Seamus O Legolad if you were wondering. But you can call me Legolad.

I have a tinfoil reason to townlean Datisi for something on page 7, but I'll keep it secret for
reasons
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In post 152, Datisi wrote:
In post 150, Summer Nights wrote:also, also, also, why did you ask me my takes like... hm. i guess piggybacking off of me trying to engage w adorable to get her to say something she does like this game versus her saying she dislikes a ton of other things? the word that popped into my head was 'deflecting' though idk off of what?
honestly i wasn't thinking if you were asking adorable what she likes vs what she doesn't like or whatever, i just saw you were asking a seemingly random question when you had so far offered no thoughts so i was curious to see if there is anything happening back there :?:
This is fair.
In post 153, Summer Nights wrote:okay i can vibe with that wrt hot take
Ah, vibes. Delightful.
In post 155, Summer Nights wrote:i feel more sure abt hectic right now than i do reck i guess? like all i know about reck is that he's uh... angry. that's what i've heard and i feel bad saying that LMAO but that sort of ate up my perception of him so far this game
I find this to be very town-indicative for Summer. The way she articulates her thoughts in-real-time versus manufacturing them is something she does often as town, but never as scum - or rarely ever, I don't recall a time.
In post 164, Summer Nights wrote:yes it was abt you trying to throw down pressure on sirius to get him like, stressed early bc he as a player like... no offense sirius i love u but i feel like you'd be one of the players at this table who is like. prone to getting scumreads thrown on you easily

but then i saw you make that post about it being a pseudo-ico vote so like.. maybe i am insane
I think players like Sirius have their alignments made a lot more clear with pressure. If scum, he'll crack, if town, he'll be forced to react and post content, which might prove useful.
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What was the purpose of your original Sirius vote?
In post 166, Sirius9121 wrote:when I'm town I look scummy

when I'm scum i look scummy

HELL YEAH
Good vibes from this. Like when you devour a really nice roast salmon.

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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:18 am

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In post 171, DeasVail wrote:I like Datisi townreading me in 60. Datisi-scum would be under the impression that I'm an achievable mislynch and I could see scum being more tempted to twist it as scum tryharding off the bat (which is an easy interpretation to make). No one else had commented on my entrance and so the freshness of the take adds weight here.
Why do you think Datisi would see you as an achievable misdrown? I don't think scum!Datisi would be particularly worried about lining up potential misdrowns at such an early stage, rather, he'd be concentrating on taking the towniest takes possible to appear town, like 95% of people do when playing scum.
In post 171, DeasVail wrote:Strange that you would be asking this question of someone who has only just begun engaging with the game in a meaningful way.
I explained why I asked this in .
In post 171, DeasVail wrote:Adorable made a vote which looked like RVS. When I asked about it, Adorable indicated that it was based on nothing.
When I applied some silly pressure because I was feeling bored
, Adorable said that in fact it was based on something. The "reason" for the vote changed after Adorable was pressured on it. Dismissing it merely as NAI without further reason is not enough for me. Why is it NAI?
The justifying of regular scumhunting with "silly" or "bored" feels off.
In post 180, DeasVail wrote:This feels like panic asking a team-mate to help fake reads to look town.
Eh. This one's rough, like going boating down river rapids.

Datisi-wording conversation: Language like "hot take" is NAI for him I'm pretty sure.
In post 197, Adorable wrote:Also, you never answered my first question.
Vibes were fine, joking about the scumrange thing because he said the same thing.

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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:19 am

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In post 250, Isis wrote:pagetop?
I heard other listmods are removing empty contentless pagetop posts, Isis. You better watch yourself. I might just invite you to a tragic boating trip with me if you don't.

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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:28 am

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In post 209, petapan wrote:bulge townie


adorable in you said the vote wasn't based on anything, but in you said it was because of how augustus gave a fast town read. that's what people are getting on your case about. can you address this?
Good post for actually trying to resolve it.
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Worse post because clearly Puff doesn't see the problem at this point, so this probably won't prompt her to.

Puff is my strongest townread. I think she voted me because my early townread felt "off", but in her mind that's distinguishable from a "serious" vote which is based on something substantial, which is why she's basically contradicting herself.
In post 224, xRECKONERx wrote:this is bad though bc adorable is acting self-contradictory and i think that's town or scum indicative! i think scum, especially those unfamiliar or newer, will have a harder time staying logically consistent
they'll blurt out whatever
adorable just seems to act in a weird manner and has now stumbled over herself to re-explain why she's so contradictory
like, the idea is... "i voted someone, said it was based on nothing when asked, then retroactively gave a justification for it... then got called out on giving a retroactive justification for it, and took 100 posts to get coached by my scumteam on how to respond to it"

idk man i feel like i see people in the current site meta trying to trip over themselves to explain how scum dumbfuckery is actually to dumbfuck to be scum and the fact of the matter is uh it gets caught like that for a reason
Nah, disagree. I think scum care far more about appearing logically consistent. Contradicting yourself is slight +town on average. If she's being coached, she doesn't take 100 posts to finally clear up such a small thing.

Deus and Reck are sus. Town on Puff, Summer, and kinda Datisi/petapan. You're all invited to the cruise.

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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:31 am

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In post 246, beeboy wrote:Oh no i didn't realize the game started.
Hello friends.

After clash tonight I'll read up. <3
Greetings, my friend.

You haven't talked to your teammates at all before this?

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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:36 am

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there is a certain amount of disappointment in you only finding me ~kinda~ town.

is there anything more to deas other than some of his words feeling off?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:46 am

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Mostly just a gut thing right now, can't articulate it more than that. Some stuff just feels off. Like fried cod left out in the rain overnight.

I'm sure you'll be super obvtown eventually if you're town.

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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:59 am

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Datisi has never deepwolfed in my life :>

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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:09 pm

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slaughtering innocent staarling was by far the most difficult thing of that game.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:38 pm

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Checking back in with the following:

Datisi, I was waiting for Ari to actually respond to my question before I explained more on how he feels off, and he's still not done so which is rather annoying. I have liked what you've been giving, but you do feel like you're a little overanxious here bud. Idk if that's your usual gig or not, but I don't really think it's anything AI.

Summer Nights/Ydrasse just rubs me in all the wrong ways. Early start was all endless fluff for the sake of posting, but once she you know stopped all of that, she is not consistent whatsoever. Like in one post she's talking about how she really likes how one person is doing, and then the very next about them is talking about how she doesn't feel good about them. And that's hella sus. I don't think I've ever played with her so I have no idea if this is out of character or not. It also feels very noncommital in a way that gives off "don't look at me, I'm harmless" vibes that don't feel genuine but fairly faked. It also seems like her opinions on people were dependant on how they were interacting with adorable. Which brings me to my next person.
Adorable. Something just feels off. Early on she spent an awful lot of time in establishing just what her meta is or isn't, and some very specific expectations she has of scumplay. Which to me felt like a way to be like "look, I'm not doing *these* things, I can't possibly be scum." and "as long as my behaviour is following these rules I've established about my gameplay, then i *must* be town" and I ain't about that kind of stuff. I agree she took a while to answer DV, but as a person who posts very infrequently and often misses stuff directed at me, I didn't mind that. But then her later pointing out how someone else didn't answer a question she asked them wasn't great. A lot of her content being what her team thinks rather than her, also feels funny to me. But I've also never played a Team Mafia before so this may just be par for the course. I just don't like what she's bringing to the table. But also, Summer did an awful lot of defending or explaining for adorable(ctrl-f has adorable show up 20 times in that iso, some of which are quotes, but most are Summer herself), and yet adorable has only talked to or about Summer once, and it was just a direct question that Summer asked her about what she liked in the game. It felt like a softball you'd throw to a scumpartner to set them up for a read or misdirection. I just don't think that a town player would just completely ignore someone who is talking for them that much. Even just a thank you or acknowledgement post, but there's nothing.

So with all of the above in mind, I think Summer Nights and adorable are together in some capacity, and I think it's because they're scum together. But of the two, I am going to VOTE: Adorable
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:13 pm

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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:21 pm

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Everything Hectic has said about Reckoner so far I agree with and I have been scum reading Reck.

I also don't like how xof said Summer and I are together and xof said Summer did an awful alot of defending me. From what I remember, scum would never defend each other because that just makes the other scum look bad when one of them flips. I'm scum reading both Reckoner and xof and I am suspicious that scum are trying to push an elimination on me day 1.

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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:26 pm

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Hectic I see you are also town reading Summer and what do you think of xof's post when they mentioned Summer and me?
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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:46 pm

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In post 239, xRECKONERx wrote:b/c i don't see any universe where
a) two scum white knight the same townie off of such little pressure early d1
b) two buddies go hard to get pressure off of adorable d1 when it's so early

so at most, one of them is scum IMO
On b) you said two buddies go hard to get pressure off scum so what you're saying here is 2 scum in Hectic, Ari, petapan are scum.

I'm curious to hear from Hectic, Ari, and petapan what they have to say about this post.
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:17 pm

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In post 264, Adorable wrote:Everything Hectic has said about Reckoner so far I agree with and I have been scum reading Reck.

I also don't like how xof said Summer and I are together and xof said Summer did an awful alot of defending me. From what I remember, scum would never defend each other because that just makes the other scum look bad when one of them flips. I'm scum reading both Reckoner and xof and I am suspicious that scum are trying to push an elimination on me day 1.

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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:19 pm

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In post 266, Adorable wrote:
In post 239, xRECKONERx wrote:b/c i don't see any universe where
a) two scum white knight the same townie off of such little pressure early d1
b) two buddies go hard to get pressure off of adorable d1 when it's so early

so at most, one of them is scum IMO
On b) you said two buddies go hard to get pressure off scum so what you're saying here is 2 scum in Hectic, Ari, petapan are scum.

I'm curious to hear from Hectic, Ari, and petapan what they have to say about this post.
i have no idea what you're saying

i am very specifically talking about dv/peta both doubling down pressure on you only to let up. i specifically said "buddies" here as in "if they were buddies with Adorable"
i don't know where you got i was talking about hectic or ari or why you're trying to drag them into this
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:21 pm

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cheet and shea have told me to stop being an asshole and read hectic's posts bc they're not that bad. fine. coming later. ive got zoomthings happening right now.
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:31 pm

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In post 242, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 228, petapan wrote:well yes but you're you and adorable is not you and right now it feels more like the sort of trivial weirdness scum would harp on over an actual scumslip
also stepping back, the larger point of my story ab what i did last time was pointing out i believe there's a site meta problem not "here's what i would do as scum"
the fact current site meta gives so much cover for people to do bad contradictory anti town things leaves scum so much cover to get away with murder
i definitely get this because i'm way prone to overthinking things that are simple. i'm also probably biased toward adorable's hyper-earnnest style of posting, but then she posts something like 264 and i just have absolutely no idea what to think about it
In post 253, Augustus Caesar wrote:@petapan: What was the purpose of your original Sirius vote?
the original vote on page 1 was quite literally because datisi posted before me and put a vote on him and i felt like starting a wagon, my vote was gonna be one someone else if he hadn't beaten me to the punch
In post 258, Datisi wrote:there is a certain amount of disappointment in you only finding me ~kinda~ town.

is there anything more to deas other than some of his words feeling off?
knowing what i know about you i'd volume clear you right now but it still feels too early and if ever there was a game to tryhard as scum it's this one. on content idk right now
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:00 pm

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In post 24, Creature wrote:
In post 20, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 18, Creature wrote:Wished I could wait for Monday
Just V/LA :)
I don't think that's necessary. It's just that I have an important exam on Sunday and I'm afraid this game may distract me from my studies.
Just finished the first part of this shit exam and my reaction is:

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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:44 pm

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In post 267, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 264, Adorable wrote:Everything Hectic has said about Reckoner so far I agree with and I have been scum reading Reck.

I also don't like how xof said Summer and I are together and xof said Summer did an awful alot of defending me. From what I remember, scum would never defend each other because that just makes the other scum look bad when one of them flips. I'm scum reading both Reckoner and xof and I am suspicious that scum are trying to push an elimination on me day 1.

VOTE: xRECKONERx
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You were complaining about spam posting, I didn't like the reasoning of your vote on me at #99, I don't like your attitude and it comes off to me as performative and over the top.
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:06 pm

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In post 269, xRECKONERx wrote:cheet and shea have told me to stop being an asshole and read hectic's posts bc they're not that bad. fine. coming later. ive got zoomthings happening right now.
With the way you are behaving you really do need to stop and that's part of the reason why I'm scum reading you. My teammates have been encouraging me to engage with you but with the way how you are behaving it is hard for me to.
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:27 pm

Post by xRECKONERx »

complaining about spam posting isn't scummy
what do you not like about "adorable refused to answer the question after being caught lying". exactly what's wrong with that, in your eyes?

i dont need to be scolded about my "behavior". ill be mad what i need to be mad ab. if you're openly admitting you're solely voting me/scumreading me because im an angry player then i have some news for you
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