TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm also not trying to hide I'm doing very little work.

Doesn't mean I'm not here trying to solve the game still

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nothing else to say Zoraster? You’re ignoring a lot of slots in favour of just talking about Flavour.

[Flavor Leaf]

just talking about Flavour.

I don't mind. ;P

[NorwegianboyEE]

I want to hear his take on events so far and at the very least a reads list or catch up post.
Shit was weak.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A loud slot is suspecting you heavily.
Do you:

A: Answer the concerns and address the allignment of the slot in question while getting back into the groove of the game.
B: Explain why their posts and stances have been so meek lately.
C: Completely ignore them, post about something irrelevant and back to lurk.

If you choose anything other than A and B chances is high you are scum.

[zoraster]

Oh well if a self-proclaimed

loud

slot declares it I guess I better do it. I'll be perfectly clear: I don't have to do jack shit because NorwegianboyEE has said I do. I will naturally and always focus on the things that I find pertinent. If you want me to comment on other specific people, feel free to ask about them specifically.

[Flavor Leaf]

I know you don't know meta, nor do I really care about that, but calling me out on trying to appear busy is just never something that's gonna pick up with me in a game where some players know me.

I'm the type that can get 1100 posts as scum and completely open wolf a game to victory.

Granted, that's less possible here in Team Mafia, I'll give you that, so I don't hate hate your case or anything, I just know it's wrong.

[Flavor Leaf]

And really the issue is that's your only take on the game.

[TheGoldenParadox]

DEB’s vote is still worse but Dung! TGP did unvote me when it was obvious he was wrong so, that’s definitely concerning.

do you... do you think you're obvtown here? because i'd love to hear how you think so.
do you think i'm town and bad at reading you as a rule, or do you think i'm scum?

TGP, be honest with me here.
Did you roll scum?

i did not, in fact. sucks.

[TheGoldenParadox]

DGB says that TGP look like weasel, easy to change opinions, hiding behind teammates opinions, too much trust in unconfirmed meta

What concerns me here is that he isn’t trying to sort or re-evaluate me despite wrongly sr me 3 games in a row. Initially it wasn’t too concerning that he had another bad read on me but he should have jumped off of me by now. If I wrongly sr someone 3 times in a row, I wouldn’t be that confident in my ability to read them accurately.

this is... actually fair, and i'm going to think about this. i thought it was just one game i wrongly sr'ed you, didn't realize it was three in a row. perhaps i just naturally scumread your playstyle.
UNVOTE:

[TheGoldenParadox]

I'm always LHF as scum because i barely post and freeze. Does that make me town in those games? It absolutely doesn't.
Do you have reason to believe Zoraster plays like this as town?

I'm always LHF as scum because i barely post and freeze. Does that make me town in those games? It absolutely doesn't.
Do you have reason to believe Zoraster plays like this as town?

let me clarify

i don't think zoraster is only lhf as either alignment, and i don't think him being lhf says anything about his alignment in this game

i'm saying regardless of his alignment, he is lhf this game, and that makes him an easy push

that is my logic here

yeah, trying to push someone for doing an easy push on your teammate is kind of the premier example of chainsawing, so i'd think if one of misty/zor is scum, the other is likely scum as well.
i'd be willing to vote zoraster later on but right now nancy hasn't improved and i'm also going to consult my teammates a bit before changing my vote.

Oh well if a self-proclaimed

loud

slot declares it I guess I better do it. I'll be perfectly clear: I don't have to do jack shit because NorwegianboyEE has said I do. I will naturally and always focus on the things that I find pertinent. If you want me to comment on other specific people, feel free to ask about them specifically.

i was originally going to wait to see more from zor before placing a vote here, but this post is just so needless, hostile, and uncalled for (zor, you haven't done much with the game and aren't responding to any pushes on you, which is terribly scum indicative and i haven't seen a single? towny thing from ANY of your posts), so VOTE: zor this is reasonable here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh well if a self-proclaimed

loud

slot declares it I guess I better do it. I'll be perfectly clear: I don't have to do jack shit because NorwegianboyEE has said I do. I will naturally and always focus on the things that I find pertinent. If you want me to comment on other specific people, feel free to ask about them specifically.

The problem with this mindset is that you're not playing to solve but just being survivalistic.
Do you have examples of games where town!you plays like this?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Norwegian - can you link a scum game of yours?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What kind of game? Any scum game?

[TheGoldenParadox]

DGB says that TGP look like weasel, easy to change opinions, hiding behind teammates opinions, too much trust in unconfirmed meta

wh...where did I hide behind my teammate's opinions? i don't think i mentioned a single one of my teammate's opinions so far this game, so i'm going to go with this "read" from dgb as absolute garbage.

DGB said that you're pinning reads on teammates, I just tried to paraphrase, if that helps you

can she (or you, whatever) link one post where i pinned my reads on teammates?

[zoraster]

i was originally going to wait to see more from zor before placing a vote here, but this post is just so needless, hostile, and uncalled for (zor, you haven't done much with the game and aren't responding to any pushes on you, which is terribly scum indicative and i haven't seen a single? towny thing from ANY of your posts), so VOTE: zor this is reasonable here.

I'm hostile here because I am in no way going to pretend that loudness is what we should be seeking as to whether or not someone is worthy of driving a wagon. I think the other criticisms are fair! I haven't done much! Be annoyed with me as a player if you want. I would be if I were you. Vote for me if you think that makes me scum. You're wrong but this I get! But don't tell me that someone posting a lot and sees themselves as an

important player

is the reason I should do anything.

[Mistyx]

i was originally going to wait to see more from zor before placing a vote here, but this post is just so needless, hostile, and uncalled for (zor, you haven't done much with the game and aren't responding to any pushes on you, which is terribly scum indicative and i haven't seen a single? towny thing from ANY of your posts), so VOTE: zor this is reasonable here.

I'm hostile here because I am in no way going to pretend that loudness is what we should be seeking as to whether or not someone is worthy of driving a wagon. I think the other criticisms are fair! I haven't done much! Be annoyed with me as a player if you want. I would be if I were you. Vote for me if you think that makes me scum. You're wrong but this I get! But don't tell me that someone posting a lot and sees themselves as an

important player

is the reason I should do anything.

if you think the criticism is fair, why are you being hostile towards it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwegian - can you link a scum game of yours?

Here's a recent one.
viewtopic.php?p=12496768&user_select%5B ... #p12496768

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I am generally town reading you here, but I need to know if that's dumb of me pretty much.

I'll check it out when I get an energy to read it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm hostile here because I am in no way going to pretend that loudness is what we should be seeking as to whether or not someone is worthy of driving a wagon.

:`(
Me feel so bad now.
He's hostile because i claimed to be important, oh woe be me the world is so unfair.

[zoraster]

i was originally going to wait to see more from zor before placing a vote here, but this post is just so needless, hostile, and uncalled for (zor, you haven't done much with the game and aren't responding to any pushes on you, which is terribly scum indicative and i haven't seen a single? towny thing from ANY of your posts), so VOTE: zor this is reasonable here.

I'm hostile here because I am in no way going to pretend that loudness is what we should be seeking as to whether or not someone is worthy of driving a wagon. I think the other criticisms are fair! I haven't done much! Be annoyed with me as a player if you want. I would be if I were you. Vote for me if you think that makes me scum. You're wrong but this I get! But don't tell me that someone posting a lot and sees themselves as an

important player

is the reason I should do anything.

if you think the criticism is fair, why are you being hostile towards it?

see:

I'm hostile here because I am in no way going to pretend that loudness is what we should be seeking as to whether or not someone is worthy of driving a wagon.

:`(
Me feel so bad now.
He's hostile because i claimed to be important, oh woe be me the world is so unfair.

Ignoring the snark, this is accurate.

[Ramcius]

DGB says that TGP look like weasel, easy to change opinions, hiding behind teammates opinions, too much trust in unconfirmed meta

wh...where did I hide behind my teammate's opinions? i don't think i mentioned a single one of my teammate's opinions so far this game, so i'm going to go with this "read" from dgb as absolute garbage.

DGB said that you're pinning reads on teammates, I just tried to paraphrase, if that helps you

can she (or you, whatever) link one post where i pinned my reads on teammates?

I'll ask, but that might be just genuine error as she was reading everyone's ISOs and giving reads

[Thestatusquo]

i was originally going to wait to see more from zor before placing a vote here, but this post is just so needless, hostile, and uncalled for (zor, you haven't done much with the game and aren't responding to any pushes on you, which is terribly scum indicative and i haven't seen a single? towny thing from ANY of your posts), so VOTE: zor this is reasonable here.

I'm hostile here because I am in no way going to pretend that loudness is what we should be seeking as to whether or not someone is worthy of driving a wagon. I think the other criticisms are fair! I haven't done much! Be annoyed with me as a player if you want. I would be if I were you. Vote for me if you think that makes me scum. You're wrong but this I get! But don't tell me that someone posting a lot and sees themselves as an

important player

is the reason I should do anything.

This is such a weird response, I think. It reminds me a bit of a tell Seoul used to have back in the day called deliberately weak argument, where he would deliberately put a shitty argument in a back and forth to see if the scum would ignore the meat of what was being said and dive in and attack the deliberately weak argument head on. The logic behind it was that a player who was actually trying to determine alignment they might address the DWA a bit, maybe even attack it, but they would be more interested in addressing the legitimate points in the case.

This isn't like, quite the same thing, because the other things being said are addressed, conceded, even. But they're just being used as throwaways to the overall point which seems to be attacking the weak argument here. I don't think this is where I would be focusing if I were town facing the criticism of me. I'd be interested in giving actual perspective of the game to try to a) show I care to the town players and b) actually play to my win con by actually finding scum. The focus of this post is just so off to me.

[Mistyx]

i was originally going to wait to see more from zor before placing a vote here, but this post is just so needless, hostile, and uncalled for (zor, you haven't done much with the game and aren't responding to any pushes on you, which is terribly scum indicative and i haven't seen a single? towny thing from ANY of your posts), so VOTE: zor this is reasonable here.

I'm hostile here because I am in no way going to pretend that loudness is what we should be seeking as to whether or not someone is worthy of driving a wagon. I think the other criticisms are fair! I haven't done much! Be annoyed with me as a player if you want. I would be if I were you. Vote for me if you think that makes me scum. You're wrong but this I get! But don't tell me that someone posting a lot and sees themselves as an

important player

is the reason I should do anything.

if you think the criticism is fair, why are you being hostile towards it?

see:

I'm hostile here because I am in no way going to pretend that loudness is what we should be seeking as to whether or not someone is worthy of driving a wagon.

:`(
Me feel so bad now.
He's hostile because i claimed to be important, oh woe be me the world is so unfair.

Ignoring the snark, this is accurate.

okay

well i am not important but i would like to request you make more content so we can read you better

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think what is happening here is that Zor is subtly shading the push on him by indirecty labelling me as not important and that therefore the push is worthy of being ignored. Which is most definitely a scum way of handling things.