TM 2021: A normal roguelike

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like... nya?

VOTE: xof

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kind of embarassing that my signature didnt attach im kinda self conscious rn so dont ask me anything....... :/

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Thank You.

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no no, go on with the backstory... it feels like once maybe, in a dream.... we might have spoken of our backstories together. tell me, is there a deep dark story there that only i have the ability to heal?

and i suppose... i'm rather shy about giving it out but for you i'll do it, just this one, do not sell it please

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no one else look at that btw its one of a kind

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how did such a contraption exist, a chest large enough to hold a chest slightly smaller? what is your record...

and ah, i remember those times.. dark ones, for that jewelry was given to me by my formerly betrothed. he had passed recently,y ou see, of an illness we couldn't quite place from sickness itself, but... oh, i shouldnt speculate in public... stories, fanciful ones.. perhaps though, i could look into the dowry and see what wealth is within

hearing your plight though, how could i hold it against you? your heart is in the right place, sir... perhaps if you could place the ring upon my finger, you know the one, sapphires and pearls? then perhaps i would be happy.......

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for now though, i return to my kingdom buried deep within my dreamscape... perhaps i shall awaken to the weight of the ring? i shouldn't dream, surely you don't have it...

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is there anything that you do like so far, adorable?

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is there anything that you do like so far, adorable?

is there anything *you* like so far?

yes! hectic + bulge + xof so far have given me good vibes.

you're asking a lot of questions this game so far and it feels like a bombardment on the thread

how did you come to the conclusion of hectic/reck tvt?

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also, i think that bulge meant that datisi's takes were feeling performative which i did get pinged by too

like framing it as a hot take when i don't think? it's really one was a bit ? to me so i wanna understand

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also, also, also, why did you ask me my takes like... hm. i guess piggybacking off of me trying to engage w adorable to get her to say something she does like this game versus her saying she dislikes a ton of other things? the word that popped into my head was 'deflecting' though idk off of what?

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okay i can vibe with that wrt hot take

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i feel more sure abt hectic right now than i do reck i guess? like all i know about reck is that he's uh... angry. that's what i've heard and i feel bad saying that LMAO but that sort of ate up my perception of him so far this game

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in my head you asking me that led me down a rabbit hole where it's like, "okay is datisi and adorable actually scum where datisi doesn't want more attention on adorable so is trying to engage me...? is it datisi is scum and knows that adorable is town and doesn't want to give her a chance to answer and flesh things out more maybe?" like my vibe check meter went Unhappy

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my other delusional theory this game so far has to do with an early sirius wagon trying to get him flustered and pushed on

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yes i think that's a fair explanation compared to what i jumped to

you lowkey have given me trust issues after that one game though ...

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yes it was abt you trying to throw down pressure on sirius to get him like, stressed early bc he as a player like... no offense sirius i love u but i feel like you'd be one of the players at this table who is like. prone to getting scumreads thrown on you easily

but then i saw you make that post about it being a pseudo-ico vote so like.. maybe i am insane

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my other delusional theory this game so far has to do with an early sirius wagon trying to get him flustered and pushed on

I'm easily the worst

player here

so they're trying

to make a wagon on me

NO U

i don't think you're bad!!! just like... it's easy to throw scumreads on you and harder for you to shake off the suspicion?

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oh yeah

voting. i have a vote

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i was about to choose violence and vote datisi but im glad i didnt i think

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i feel Good tm about deas right now, like she poked and prodded around at adorable for a while and then backed off of her when she felt the time was right and didn't like... idk, keep harping on adorable for it? she feels like she's being reasonable where like... if she was scum and adorable was town she knows she could probably push through an elim on adorable given how the spotlight's been there so far and she just says nah, maybe i'm wrong

similarly this goes for peta too since they reached the same conclusion at the same time, like, unless this is some 4d coordinated move by them both as a team LMAO

oopsies

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well yes but you're you and adorable is not you and right now it feels more like the sort of trivial weirdness scum would harp on over an actual scumslip

this is probably fine, we're different people, but it doesn't mean my lived experience is gonna let me let people walk away from being internally inconsistent
sometimes the simple answer of "they're scum and fucked up" is actually the answer (it's more common than you think)

but both you and dv seem to be cold on that so either one of you is scum with adorable or two townies are telling me this ain't it fam so ill sit for a bit

why is it 1 of dv/peta?

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like i came to the opposite conclusion sort of where my theory if there's scum in both they're like. both scum?

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Reminder, please put in the effort to pronoun your fellow players correctly according to their pronoun fields.
This notice was prompted by Adorable and Summer Nights.

sorry if i've used the wrong ones!!!

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b/c i don't see any universe where
a) two scum white knight the same townie off of such little pressure early d1
b) two buddies go hard to get pressure off of adorable d1 when it's so early

so at most, one of them is scum IMO

i supppoooooose? in my head that just makes me jump to like... idk i guess that would have to be an exact team actually for it to be most likely that they were trying to get pressure off? but it probably is a dumb move

if she was scum and adorable was town she knows she could probably push through an elim on adorable given how the spotlight's been there so far

correct me if i'm wrong, but so far, only 2 people have actually said they suspect adorable while even before peta/deas, hectic was defending her. like, this kinda read seems... very premature? because two (2) people have said they're sus of (assume town) adorable, you'd think scum would immediately go trying get that execution, less than 10 pages in?

i guess my perception is like... maybe it's because the thread is slow, all the attention on adorable felt blown up to me more? like. right now it definitely feels like adorable has potential to be easy pickings for how much people are going over that slot asking about "why did you contradict here, not answer here, etc etc"?

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VOTE: sirius

i'm down to clown w this for now

whoops!

but i mulled over this a little bit but i don't prefer aristophanes tbh as a vote when sirius is just like... not doing anything, idk, it feels out of place to me in this sort of game that he's being lackadaisical? i have experience w him but it's just like... what is happening here

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wrt adorable i don't know how to explain that like, just, her posting is town to me and i'm gonna defend that bc i don't see what she gains out of this playstyle + agenda especially if she actually does have a team coaching her like, what goal is she trying to reach right now acting like this? she's not setting herself up at all to do anything later on at all and it just feels like if she is scum and the team is like, something like sirius+adorable+beeboy (who i think is scumclaiming tbh with how little activity he has) they're just screwed LMAO

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similarly i guess that could go for ari because i don't feel he's done too much i guess? i feel like if i'm wrong about someone so far it would proooobably be him but i don't think so right now, it's not heartbreaking to me if he gets voted out but i'd rather avoid it in the hopes that he comes back and like. goodposts

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also i feel like i have a lot of nullish townreads this game which uhhh, idk what to make of that bc it's an unusual feeling. like i feel Pretty Good about adorable + hectic (who if he is pocketing me shall die for his transgressions) + peta...? deas...? bulge too probably and then there's reckoner + datisi + xof + creature (?) + ari (????) and then beeboy + sirius at the bottom with a little asterisk next to ari who is like, in read purgatory

actually maybe i don't have as many as i thought given that pool, i feel reasonably... okay with those for today when i think about everything, i guess, the middle zone needs to be figured out more for me personally bc i dont think im getting the Full Picture here

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i'm not sure what sirius is doing, honestly

me either e__e

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liiiike please god give me something to work with @sirius so i can sort you

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ok ok ok. first order of business.

@sirius

go ask ico what colour of role pm do i have. and whatever reasoning he has to come along with the answer. ok cool thanks.

quoting post 279 every day until sirius responds to it, day one

then there's reckoner + datisi + xof + creature (?) + ari (????)

is this tier supposed to be townlean or null

if it's townlean, the council would like you to Explain

(also tl;rd on the bulge read in any case)

it was like, a mostly townlean pool with some nulls in there i guess? it's all floating around, if you're asking about you Personally it's uh, my team is a bit paranoid about you... faking paranoia, if that makes sense? and while i haven't asked them like, a lot about this game because i'm the guy who sucks when it comes to being team-y that was one of the things that stuck out in discussion where i was kind of like huh, okay then. i'm fearful of you being the deepwolf 2.0 this game and them pointing out things about you like that makes me go like oh god no we aren't doing this again but like also realistically... have you done anything actually like, overtly scummy? not... really? so idk it's not fair to put you as a scumread but neither are you like, a townread I Will Go Hard For currently

the rest of them are all varying shades of Vibe reads/conversations and bulge is actually the strongest one in that pool, like i read bulgeposts and im like yes, hm, i like this i feel good inside and i dont worry? ill own up to it not making sense if people really ask but its something i feel good about as it stands and i dont want to dwell on that rn

liiiike please god give me something to work with @sirius so i can sort you

tbh tho
just ask me anything and i'll respond

i get that vibe but i also don't wanna pull reads like teeth and know what your general reads are like, shotgun me something so i know youre thinking about this game

beeboy is a lot worse than Sirius because beeboy's playing to his scummeta while Sirius is playing to his siriusmeta

grumble grumble

actually so true and straight facts

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also i don't want to quote that bigpost from ari but the xof vote: i didnt bring attention to it for a reason bc i wanted to see if like, anything would come from a counterwagon/anyone would hop on board even if it was an rvs one, esp since it was like already technically a "counterwagon" to sirius' one from the very beginning

also, also why is me asking what adorable does like weird when her iso at that point was like, full of things she /didn't/ like?

at that point tho!:

- hectic is just playing like hectic, which is to say that i have played a fuckton with him and while i have not seen him as scum it feels exactly the same as like, every towngame we've shared, there's no ~agenda~ that i can tell hidden away in there and we're having a fun time so that's just town to me
- explained bulge!
- xof had two posts at that time but i thought they were like... thoughtful enough for what they were? one technically doesn't even count as content but the second one still felt... like, she was poking at you but it didn't feel unfair yet and more just like putting out some feelers in a way i could understand

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also i really like that xof nosewrinkles at posts too LMAO i feel that

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oh my god okay i don't want to read more of these pages but i must soldier on ari you analyzing fiend

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okay actually i just skimmed the rest mafia brain is NOT on for much longer uhhh yeah

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VOTE: beeboy

my sirius vote feels like it's a waste but so does voting beeboy when that slot doesnt exist but at least it probably flips scum?

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Yes! i make those

though tbh i dont think we should speed elim

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beeboy's descendent is the year's worth of wheat in the fields and i the farmer ready to harvest what i can from them with my scythe until they are there no more to provide us with info

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some of us take value in what we do and love the labor, feels good to /do/ things

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i am at work so i cannot offer true Content but i want to say peta is hacking directly into my brain and stealing my thoughts just to post them this game

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a replacement for beeboy is always going to be helpful bc they’ll give us info to help find their scum partners :>

also @datisi i have formally asked the council to explain in more detail their feels about you

p-edit well well well...

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what ari said, just say what’s on your mind :>

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my sincerest apologies for the pronoun slips; it is not intentional at all and i am sorry to have made that warning a necessity.

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also i think the latest vc is wrong? i’m voting beeboy

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meant to post today passed out just woke up tomorrow i’m off work n have time to play wooooo

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i feel bad because i’ve had negative motivation to play mafia lately and been neglecting this, i’m fine w my vote where it is and i’ll try to catchup like... soon i guess sorry

@datisi because i owe you this (and it’s dated by like... a few days), team read through you more and there are things that are +town as they put it (your interactions w adorable, the hectic/reck post, interaction w bulge) the worry seems to be that you’re not... as solvey as you could be/maybe my team wants you to be? like that’s i think the crux of where the issues lie wrt your slot but we recognize that the game is a bit slowgoing/stagnant but ye ye, and also you being like this does make infinity feel good about you for meta reasons but otherwise i actually think some of the worrycresolved itself when read over you in full

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saying that i am too tired once more to think about this game sucks but also like... yeah!

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sorry, i’ve been really disengaged/burned out on playing mafia lately and haven’t given this a lot of attention (nor has my team), i just got home but if there’s anything anyone wants me to respond to specifically/answer/etc i can do tonight. i guess it’s kinda shitty to just expect that i can be like.. left to reorient myself after someone flipped but that’s what my mindset was lately . i’ll try to get out some stuff for you guys

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sorry, i’ve been really disengaged/burned out on playing mafia lately and haven’t given this a lot of attention (nor has my team), i just got home but if there’s anything anyone wants me to respond to specifically/answer/etc i can do tonight. i guess it’s kinda shitty to just expect that i can be like.. left to reorient myself after someone flipped but that’s what my mindset was lately . i’ll try to get out some stuff for you guys

I want you to drop a song which represents the vibe of this game

and then I want you to drop another song which represents YOUR vibes at that current time

I have a perfect viberead accuracy rate based on this technique, so I'll be able to lock-something you soon enough

these aren't based on lyrical content really just the mood i feel





second one is also one of my favorite songs, ever, so sharing it is always nice and also maybe a little relatable wrt the first bit

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from my pov of course im going to say we should elim rce but like, beyond that the claim is like... literally the most convenient thing someone could claim and has too many feasible ways to be countered by mafia even if town for us to come to a conclusion on and then we'd just be stuck with a slot that no one can ever like... trust basically? like, what are we going to do if rce claims roleblocked or s/t like... we still go through that elim

idk worst case he is actually a vig which like, sucks for us but the claim alone esp in that slot feels like... what are the odds that the one wagon throws that at us when its coming up to eod

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yeah basically what everyone said but that's my thoughts on it

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also wrt the adorable thing i dont know how to word it and my brains lackign the energy to translate it into like, mafiaspeak but i literally just look at her posts and see town, shes so like... this is rude but it's awkward and stilted and yeah like maybe im being dumb and fooled about it but i dont get what she gets out of like... anything that shes done this game if shes scum, like, her team is actively taking part to help her and stuff so surely theyd be able to have a better like, agenda.

idk maybe thats expecting too much and shes just trying to look townie /shrug but i dont think thats the case and i just. i stare at her posts think "town" and thats baout as deep as that goes

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thats also the easiest thing for me to remember about this game bc that was when i was most engaged and the rest of this feels like static in my brain

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the point though is that you have perhaps the most like... stally, convenient claim you could have tho

maybe it is really bad luck for you but i really just dont think thats the case, my gut went 'nope'

zzz i hate alts

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what the fuck? are you serious LMFAO

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idk how else to explain that n1 vig from the person ran up at the last possible second is like. the most scummy thing you can do

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like why not just. out it when you get here? like sure you think you can get the sick hero shot or w/e if you can manage to get out of allt he pressure but also like, in what world does rce ever die n1 anyways?

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doing this at the last possible minute is literally just giving room for scum to be like "oh shit we gotta leave the vig alive for 1 night just in case he manages that shot!!!" just so they can pivot onto town

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like why not try to make a productive use of your slot and out that earlier when people can discuss things and weigh it out and actually have time to do something on other wagons/people instead of forcing everyone to scramble

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ik i havent been around this game but im gonna be heated if im elimmed instead of the ""n1 vig"" LMAO

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like. does anyone here genuinely believe this claim is real? and if so why are you voting me, i want explanations other than like ~but what if he really is the n1 vig~

even if my wagon goes through i want people to justify their reasoning for me over rce right now

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i feel like i'm gonna regret this. whoever is not yet voting, get onto a wagon.

VOTE: summer

if we do flip summer today, tomorrow i am not buying any story about a roleblocker or a rolestopper or a jailkeeper or whatever the fuck.

also it's 2:30am and i'm still not done and i just wanna sleep.

^ this is the worst vote on my wagon in case anyone was wondering idc how towny people thing datisi is

"oh this might be bad... might regret it uwu, not buying any stories about xyz" while already expressing doubts on rce

like if you already think like this just vote rce hello?

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like. does anyone here genuinely believe this claim is real? and if so why are you voting me, i want explanations other than like ~but what if he really is the n1 vig~

even if my wagon goes through i want people to justify their reasoning for me over rce right now

i mean why the fuck would scum claim a role that only buys them one night and is easily disprovable? to get one day out of a scumbag? ok sure, i cannot think of a single scum role powerful enough that one night is gonna fuck us over. and if there aren't two kills tonight then who cares, RCE is dead anyway.

i believe it's real solely bc it's such a bad claim.

because beeboy fucking butchered the slot when he didnt post all of d1 and no one was townreading rce particularly/changing off of him?? like, when you're in a world that that's fucked as scum what else can you do but do something to try and scrounge up a town elim before you're thrown out d2 when you get speedelimmed and no one discusses anything because everyone realizes you were in fact lying scum all along

like arent you the one whos saying shit like "i dont believe in too scummy to be scum" this game and now youre pulling this?

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like what the fuck hello

make up your mind, is tstbs real or not this game reck?

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like. does anyone here genuinely believe this claim is real? and if so why are you voting me, i want explanations other than like ~but what if he really is the n1 vig~

even if my wagon goes through i want people to justify their reasoning for me over rce right now

i mean why the fuck would scum claim a role that only buys them one night and is easily disprovable? to get one day out of a scumbag? ok sure, i cannot think of a single scum role powerful enough that one night is gonna fuck us over. and if there aren't two kills tonight then who cares, RCE is dead anyway.

i believe it's real solely bc it's such a bad claim.

because beeboy fucking butchered the slot when he didnt post all of d1 and no one was townreading rce particularly/changing off of him?? like, when you're in a world that that's fucked as scum what else can you do but do something to try and scrounge up a town elim before you're thrown out d2 when you get speedelimmed and no one discusses anything because everyone realizes you were in fact lying scum all along

like arent you the one whos saying shit like "i dont believe in too scummy to be scum" this game and now youre pulling this?

like what the fuck hello

make up your mind, is tstbs real or not this game reck?

1. idt beeboy butchered the slot, meta is trash
2. why does scum care if it's a town elim today or tomorrow, in your theory? it's just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic if they're dead either way. the functional purpose of a scumclaim is to get more time out of the team and bamboozle town. i guess if the alternative you're presenting is "fakeclaim a bad dumb role" or "die d1" then yes, i can see it. but that's a false dichotomy.
3. what the fuck is tstbs?

EBWOP: OH. too scummy to be scum. you know that's honestly the best point anyone has made so far. am i falling for "too scummy to be scum" here?

i feel like i shouldnt have to explain why it's good to elim scum first over town here im gonna be real with u like

??? we get momentum? info on who was doing this or that? the potential for one less scum pr role?

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my blood pressure is lowering now but i will remember this.

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my blood pressure is lowering now but i will remember this.

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Sirius can you hammer RCEnigma

which hectic alt is the depressed, dying, wanting to Kill all sonic image

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it's the real hectic

sorry you had to find out this way

i can fix you......

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it's the real hectic

sorry you had to find out this way

i can fix you......

go back to summernight

i can fix you......

How? What you dealing?

my love. deal or no deal.

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deal but I want some vibes as part of that package

those are always free, on the house

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are you trying to fake a townslip LMAO

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like why put it as “assuming” there when we know they’re informed like you’re trying to be ~unsure

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also like, wrf is the logic even that bc the team is informed they’ll have a perfect claim or w/e

rce literally claimed the One Role in the world that necessitates giving him an extra day to live and the timing of it is such a slimy, survivalistic move when he could have done it three irl days ago and given us time to actually like, idk, come up with a vig pool or move discussion forward productively?

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like it comes at the very end of things which literally gives town like, not any time to try and do something else with their time or search elsewhere it’s just a mad fucking scramble

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bc i’m gonna be real i think that if rce claimed an investigative or something the elim would’ve went through still because it’s not provable in the same way a vigkill is; by claiming SOECIFICALLY n1 vig he’s trying to get a free elim

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like holy fuck!!! n1 vig of all the things of ALL the odds in this game we happened to hop on the one person who got ran up who happened to have this one super specific role that conveniently saves them but teehee oops tomorrow where did the vigshot go i was rbed guys oopsies!!!

and then we’ve just wasted a day on a bad elim instead of just going for this. like you don’t have to believe ever claim you hear LMAO

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constantly believing claims/giving them time is how scum manages to power through like


you wanna towncase rce? anyone at all?

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i don’t think you’re giving yourself enough credit + shouldn’t be harsh on yourself

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that being said, those were your teammates thoughts? yeah?

are any of those your thoughts/what’s your take?

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like

i don’t want to be spoonfed content from them through you because if you’re scum like... if you have that little faith in your game/ability i think it’s more likely that you’d rely on them to say things for you while your posting is meme-y/non productive so that you can appear to be like... idk lighthearted/aloof?

does that make sense

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okay hi i am HERE for like 5 minutes because work and i have some thoughts that i should expand on layer but i want to throw down a quick like... People I will not vote today of augustus/adorable/datisi(asterisk here???), i have some things i want to say but this is also kind of uhhhh me getting prodded and needing to post something but i’m busy. yeah. cool!

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i have FEELERS to put out now and i’m hyped

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@datisi i did some soul searching after the flip yesterday and thought about the vote you put on me a bit and then your content this game a bit and then my teams thoughts a bit and i’m okay w you for now bc i don’t see a very Obvious path? i guess where you’re maf but it gets the asterisk because it’s not as strong as my will to not vote the other two though i do wanna reread them this day phase even if i think i’ll end up at the same conclusions

this game feels like everyone is vibing in a miasma of like. mostly weak reads leaning either side without any real Meat which is a strange feeling and it’s like.. going through mud a bit to sort one way or another

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@datisi the Brunt of that post i can elaborate on when i’m not working but why’s it weird that i’d say that? it wasn’t even a complaint more of just like... the feeling i get overall? i don’t understand that being particularly AI

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okay wow hi uh. it’s the weekend so after work...? posts? i have a mental block this game and each time i say i’ll get over it (: i can’t find the will to log in to post here and maybe that’s the alt at work

VOTE: xofelf i don’t believe in this wagon at all but like. placeholder until i’m off work.

i’m doing the thing where i think about this game and not post again. could someone present like... idk, even just 1/2 sentences on bulge being scum? my heels are kind of dug in over this like, toneread and i’ve seen their name floated around a little bit so. i just want to understand

also wow i have to clock in soon uhhh

@datisi i don’t have like. a great answer for you that has nuance and quotes and posts or whatever and i can try to better verbalize this later but it’s really just like... a feeling ?? at this point which is kind of how i’m going about this game rn i think it’s just like. i really just look at your posts, and there’s like sometimes this itch in the back of my head over them, but it’s just an itch and not like... ugh. idk how to explain this. your vote made me go !!!! and there was paranoia here and there but i don’t wanna vote you today for that because i don’t think you’re mafia jsut based on how you sound also your indignation over no one doing anything LMAO like scum would just coast or w/e esp if the lack of activity was being especially fruitful to them ig? so yeah.

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i just... type like that? lmao

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like idk what else to tell you, i’m not invested in this game ar all so yeah a lot of this rn is Gonna be vague? but i’m trying to make sense of it and i’m like.. genuinely sorry because you seem annoyed..

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okay i started feeling a bit bad over just... hand waves at this

datisi, when im home i’ll try to better verbalize my read for you, okay? sorry if i got a bit snippy but i took it as a personal blow against how i talk in general

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*apology hug and gif*

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VOTE: deasvail

let us ride bravely onto this wagon brothers