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Post Post #450  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:40 am

In post 449, Adorable wrote:
In post 448, petapan wrote:...what about them?


On #345 she defended me and why would scum want to defend me when I could have been a good push for scum to eliminate. On #348 she showed a bit of a paranoia on Hectic who could be pocketing her which looked townie from her, on #417 she talks to Datisi being fearful about him being the deepwolf and I don't think scum would want to approach Datisi like, #418 looks real to me.

In post 429, Adorable wrote:
In post 404, xRECKONERx wrote:okay first off, ari, latching onto something i think is incredibly scummy and screaming about it is like literally how i think people should play as town until something is satisfactory

you ask what adorable could've done to answer me. i don't know, EXPLAIN the fucking thought process there? give me SOMETHING to show why they would have contradicted themselves? but they didn't, they just kept dodging and ignoring it, even when *multiple* people pointed it out to them. your insistence that adorable is just weird bc meta and insinuation that it somehow insulates them from any prosecution for doing bad scummy shit is like, buck wild to me. HOWEVER, i will say that at the very least, your overzealous defense of adorable has me thinking that she may actually be town here and you're just latching onto an easy white knight target as scum. like literally nobody else has tried to do what you've tried to do, there's been some light push back, but what you're doing here is just over the top. i have zero faith that you actually believe adorable is as town as you pretend to believe.

that being said, agar sent me a multiple page word doc with his thoughts on the game in stream of consciousness bullet point form. from a skim here are some highlights:
- deasvail +town points for jumping in and not fucking around with RVS detecting enough happened to apply pressure
- adorable reading as newbie/inexperienced, not alignment indicative. overall thinks adorable is being set up to be the token defense for scum to earn townpoints, +townpoints for adorable. (im going to yell at him on voice ab this when we get a chance)
- he's feeling vibes with datisi's posts, same page, likes pressuring/questioning of ari. datisi is a hero for post 280.
- #81 from peta where he votes serious is really weird and #83 doesn't provide any follow, +scum points.
- agrees that xof' 108 is goodposting
- dislikes hectic's whole reaction to me in general, esp 112 which feels overly defensive ab a dumb gimmick, and 145 which either misunderstands (at best) or misrepresents (at worse) my objection to the posting style. 256 reads like TMI from hectic, which would point towards adorable being town. also thinks hectic calling ari's takes on me "okay" is bad bc ari just fabricated them out of nowhere, they were based on 4 posts of nothing and he hadnt explained them at all.
- thinks ari is displaying clear thought processes in general with just shitty logic, +town points for ari
- sirius has done nothing, continues to do nothing, compares him to vezokpiraka which almost made spit out my water
- re: beeboy meta is trash and yeeting lurkers in team mafia is also hot garbage

that's ab it. there's a lot of v inflammatory commentary in here meant only to soothe my ego so ive edited out a lot of it for time. overall, i have some stark disagreements with him (mostly re: adorable & hectic) but the rest of it feels pretty on point.


I actually really like this post. I have been really suspicious that there are at least 1 or 2 scum voting me and I had Reckoner as my scum read. 2 days ago midwaybear says he thinks Reckoner is town and he also thinks I'm getting pocketed by scum but I have been disagreeing with him. I see that Reckoner is also having the same problems as me since he thinks I'm scum but one of his team mate thinks I'm town who's getting pocketed by scum. I'm now starting to think Reckoner is town just after seeing this post.


can you reconcile these two posts? In one, you say you've been paranoid of people defending you bc they might be scum. In the other, you say someone defended you so they must be town for defending you because scum would push you.

this is a contradiction. again.
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Post Post #451  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:19 am

In post 402, Creature wrote:
In post 318, Creature wrote:
In post 9, Datisi wrote:woo!

VOTE: sirius

This is probably town

Oh right I did. Just forgot to note it down earlier

is my intro post really the extent of your read on me?

In post 412, Aristophanes wrote:As a short answer right now, I think we are approaching the game very differently and it is obvious if you look at how we are reading and interacting with it. You have a serious jokey tone that in itself leads to a conflict in my mind but I think your approach to the game probably rings genuine despite it being so different.

yeah, i see that. looking forward to the ~proper conversation~.

In post 417, Summer Nights wrote:my team is a bit paranoid about you... faking paranoia, if that makes sense? and while i haven't asked them like, a lot about this game because i'm the guy who sucks when it comes to being team-y that was one of the things that stuck out in discussion where i was kind of like huh, okay then.

i wanna hear more about this. your whole team is at least to some extent familiar with me. go ask them.

ok wow this the only thing i'm talking about in this post is myself uhhh

sources tell me it's Slightly too early to speedyeet beeboy.
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Post Post #452  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:53 am

My mentors teammates are also suggesting a no speedyeet as they would prefer a replacement on beeboy
If you ask Rick Astley for his copy of the movie 'Up', he can not give it to you as he will never give you up.
However, by refusing to do so, he lets you down.
Thus creating the Astley Paradox.
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Post Post #453  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:56 am

inactivity, or activity otherwise, is really non-indicative of scum or town.

As an example, in my only scum game on MS, notscience, who was the second highest poster, was scum.
If you ask Rick Astley for his copy of the movie 'Up', he can not give it to you as he will never give you up.
However, by refusing to do so, he lets you down.
Thus creating the Astley Paradox.
*glares at Sirius*Well played my friend, well played. - Aristophanes

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Post Post #454  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:57 am

above also treats as meta for sorting me since everyone is having trouble sorting me

although i doubt it helps but eh
If you ask Rick Astley for his copy of the movie 'Up', he can not give it to you as he will never give you up.
However, by refusing to do so, he lets you down.
Thus creating the Astley Paradox.
*glares at Sirius*Well played my friend, well played. - Aristophanes

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Post Post #455  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:58 am

Votecount 1.5
  • Sirius9121 (1) - Summer Nights,
  • Augustus Caesar (0) -
  • Aristophanes (2) - Datisi, The Bulge
  • Datisi (0) -
  • Summer Nights (0) -
  • Creature (0) -
  • xofelf (0) -
  • DeasVail (0) -
  • The Bulge (0) -
  • Adorable (1) - xRECKONERx
  • petapan (0)
  • xRECKONERx (1) - Aristophanes
  • beeboy (4) - Augustus Caesar, petapan, beeboy, Adorable
Not Voting (4) : Creature, xofelf, Sirius9121, DeasVail,
Deadline: (expired on 2021-01-29 21:00:00)
With thirteen alive, it takes seven votes to eliminate and seven votes to skip the day's elimination.



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Post Post #456  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:00 am

this isn't notsci this is beeboy
so like i hear the arguments for "beeboy isn't playing beeeboy is obvscum" but the voices have told me the time is not now

sirius you know what would help us sort you better than "lel inactivity isn't ai for me"?
actually making a readslist and giving your thoughts out on all players

pedit: doot
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Post Post #457  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:33 am

In post 453, Sirius9121 wrote:inactivity, or activity otherwise, is really non-indicative of scum or town.

As an example, in my only scum game on MS, notscience, who was the second highest poster, was scum.

i understand what you are saying, sirius, but i am not advocating for activity as a generalized tell

see, this is beeboy.

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beeboy doesn't like playing as scum.

so what does he do when he draws scum? simple. he doesn't play the game. he lurks, he makes excuses, he says he'll post later and doesn't deliver, he apologizes, and then does it all over again until people finally decide enough is enough. so him making his first post where he leads off with an excuse, and ends with promising content later is a bad start for him.

now, it's looking like he's actually going to flake and be replaced, so, fine, we can let the replacement play the game. it's possible he truly just didn't have time to play and this is all null. but this is, like, a verifiable behavior pattern across multiple games, he has practically admitted this is what he does, people familiar with him are aware of this. blah blah, some people here don't like meta, i do not care, this is not "oh x is playing like y game" or "they have a different ~tone~ as scum", this is based on actual actions he takes strategically as scum. so i think whoever replaces him ishould be given a heavy deal of scrutiny.
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Post Post #458  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:34 am

that said,

VOTE: Adorable

Reck finally pulled me down on one side of the fence
i'm losing my edge

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Post Post #459  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:57 am

Fyi Adorable, if you pur the post numbers in "post" tags they'll link us to the posts making it easier to reference what you're talking about. Posts like and (see what I did there) would be a lot easier to follow if you did that :)

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Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;) - Jingle
Now not only are you proficient in stupid
you're proficient in stupid in two languages
CONGRATULATIONS - Silverclaw
Ari has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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Post Post #460  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:04 am

Also I fund all of the attention on beeboy funny because xof hasn't been here in the same amount of time and nobody cares? There was a 3 hour difference between their last posts.

Like I get that beebs is a meta point but still, the fact that nobody cares if a slot that has only 3 posts has been silent the same amount of time be has is funny to me.
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you're proficient in stupid in two languages
CONGRATULATIONS - Silverclaw
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Post Post #461  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:09 am

In post 453, Sirius9121 wrote:inactivity, or activity otherwise, is really non-indicative of scum or town.

As an example, in my only scum game on MS, notscience, who was the second highest poster, was scum.
Yeah but some people have certain tendancies. My town gane ans scumgame are vastly different in both actuvity and engagement, as noted before. Some people just perform in a certain way as a certain alignment most og the time.

Using a reference to Notty in defense of beeboy is odd. Did you think that one up or did your team tell you to mention activity not being AI?
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Post Post #462  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:12 am

In post 456, Datisi wrote:pedit: doot
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Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;) - Jingle
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you're proficient in stupid in two languages
CONGRATULATIONS - Silverclaw
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Post Post #463  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:12 am

In post 460, Aristophanes wrote:Also I fund all of the attention on beeboy funny because xof hasn't been here in the same amount of time and nobody cares? There was a 3 hour difference between their last posts.

Like I get that beebs is a meta point but still, the fact that nobody cares if a slot that has only 3 posts has been silent the same amount of time be has is funny to me.

xof, from what i understand, doesn't play mafia much so i'm sort of chalking up inactivity to that and in 3 posts she produced some actual content that wasn't bad
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Post Post #464  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:44 am

That's true, petapan. They are on the Mish Mash side of things far more often and their posts were alright so far if nothing that stands out.

I just wanted to point out that doubke standard. And Inmean rolling scum as someone who doesn't play a lot would possibly scare them away so Iunno, it's something to address with them/their replacement I guess.
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Post Post #465  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:33 am

i am at work so i cannot offer true Content but i want to say peta is hacking directly into my brain and stealing my thoughts just to post them this game

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Post Post #466  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:36 am

Is anyone here is there something I should know before I read back?
My team has been yelling at me while I do other things and I am starting to feel bad.
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Post Post #467  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:38 am

a replacement for beeboy is always going to be helpful bc they’ll give us info to help find their scum partners :>

also @datisi i have formally asked the council to explain in more detail their feels about you

p-edit well well well...

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Post Post #468  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:39 am

Eyy its beeboy!! <3

We missed you!

No, I'd say read fresh and give us your thoughts without our interference. It's a short enough game so far with decent content.
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Post Post #469  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:39 am

what ari said, just say what’s on your mind :>

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Post Post #470  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:47 am

In post 450, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 449, Adorable wrote:
In post 448, petapan wrote:...what about them?


On #345 she defended me and why would scum want to defend me when I could have been a good push for scum to eliminate. On #348 she showed a bit of a paranoia on Hectic who could be pocketing her which looked townie from her, on #417 she talks to Datisi being fearful about him being the deepwolf and I don't think scum would want to approach Datisi like, #418 looks real to me.

In post 429, Adorable wrote:
In post 404, xRECKONERx wrote:okay first off, ari, latching onto something i think is incredibly scummy and screaming about it is like literally how i think people should play as town until something is satisfactory

you ask what adorable could've done to answer me. i don't know, EXPLAIN the fucking thought process there? give me SOMETHING to show why they would have contradicted themselves? but they didn't, they just kept dodging and ignoring it, even when *multiple* people pointed it out to them. your insistence that adorable is just weird bc meta and insinuation that it somehow insulates them from any prosecution for doing bad scummy shit is like, buck wild to me. HOWEVER, i will say that at the very least, your overzealous defense of adorable has me thinking that she may actually be town here and you're just latching onto an easy white knight target as scum. like literally nobody else has tried to do what you've tried to do, there's been some light push back, but what you're doing here is just over the top. i have zero faith that you actually believe adorable is as town as you pretend to believe.

that being said, agar sent me a multiple page word doc with his thoughts on the game in stream of consciousness bullet point form. from a skim here are some highlights:
- deasvail +town points for jumping in and not fucking around with RVS detecting enough happened to apply pressure
- adorable reading as newbie/inexperienced, not alignment indicative. overall thinks adorable is being set up to be the token defense for scum to earn townpoints, +townpoints for adorable. (im going to yell at him on voice ab this when we get a chance)
- he's feeling vibes with datisi's posts, same page, likes pressuring/questioning of ari. datisi is a hero for post 280.
- #81 from peta where he votes serious is really weird and #83 doesn't provide any follow, +scum points.
- agrees that xof' 108 is goodposting
- dislikes hectic's whole reaction to me in general, esp 112 which feels overly defensive ab a dumb gimmick, and 145 which either misunderstands (at best) or misrepresents (at worse) my objection to the posting style. 256 reads like TMI from hectic, which would point towards adorable being town. also thinks hectic calling ari's takes on me "okay" is bad bc ari just fabricated them out of nowhere, they were based on 4 posts of nothing and he hadnt explained them at all.
- thinks ari is displaying clear thought processes in general with just shitty logic, +town points for ari
- sirius has done nothing, continues to do nothing, compares him to vezokpiraka which almost made spit out my water
- re: beeboy meta is trash and yeeting lurkers in team mafia is also hot garbage

that's ab it. there's a lot of v inflammatory commentary in here meant only to soothe my ego so ive edited out a lot of it for time. overall, i have some stark disagreements with him (mostly re: adorable & hectic) but the rest of it feels pretty on point.


I actually really like this post. I have been really suspicious that there are at least 1 or 2 scum voting me and I had Reckoner as my scum read. 2 days ago midwaybear says he thinks Reckoner is town and he also thinks I'm getting pocketed by scum but I have been disagreeing with him. I see that Reckoner is also having the same problems as me since he thinks I'm scum but one of his team mate thinks I'm town who's getting pocketed by scum. I'm now starting to think Reckoner is town just after seeing this post.


can you reconcile these two posts? In one, you say you've been paranoid of people defending you bc they might be scum. In the other, you say someone defended you so they must be town for defending you because scum would push you.

this is a contradiction. again.


I never said I have been paranoid of scum defending me. I was talking about Summer who said she was paranoid of Hectic defending her. midwaybear said earlier he thinks there is scum defending me and I disagreed with him.

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Post Post #471  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:48 am

Made an error and I meant Summer was paranoid of Hectic pocketing her.

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Post Post #472  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:49 am

oh look he did the exact thing i said he was going to do well how about that what a surprise
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Post Post #473  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:55 am

Haha yeah, Imma wait for content tho. We have time.
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CONGRATULATIONS - Silverclaw
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Post Post #474  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:00 pm

ari are you gonna get to your thoughts on bulge at some point
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