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my approach is mostly the same. but i'm the worst person to ask that question because my perspective is biased and i don't wanna lay out what i feel my own limitations are. but i'll give the answer i gave in a recent game that i'll probably be more spontaneous as town.In post 46, Augustus Caesar wrote:grumble GRUMBLE
Someone pat me, I hate staying on an even number of pats
petapan how do you play scum and town differently? I'm scared of you
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did read it as jokey but didn't vibe with the way she startedIn post 51, Augustus Caesar wrote:[I assume you didn't read it as jokey so I like this vote. Right?
thank you for entertaining my desperate request to produce content that we will both probably forget about in a few pagesThere you go, that's me scraping the bottom of the barrel for everything AI
I hope you're happy
you underestimate just how much i like being the bad guyIn post 68, Augustus Caesar wrote:
Not even for Team Mafia for an easy townread?In post 48, petapan wrote:my approach is mostly the same. but i'm the worst person to ask that question because my perspective is biased and i don't wanna lay out what i feel my own limitations are. but i'll give the answer i gave in a recent game that i'll probably be more spontaneous as town.
If there's ever a time to lay out your flaws when playing scum it's now
although i suppose withholding for the sake of possible future games isn't sporting. but then even if i tell people they're not going to believe me, enough people here have seen me as scum that they're going to be skeptical of me most of the time
but at some point this game i will play like i wouldn't as scum
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well yes but you're you and adorable is not you and right now it feels more like the sort of trivial weirdness scum would harp on over an actual scumslipIn post 226, xRECKONERx wrote:ok like LITERALLY ok
last game I was scum my whole idea was to try to claim as fucking dumb as possible because people would eat it up as being WAY TOO SUSPICIOUS to be suspicious
and when i was caught red handed killing the dead townie the fact that i pretended to be just absolutely fucking unaware and stupid let me survive longer than it should have
i wanted to do this BECAUSE people tend to go all "iamverysmart" and ignore occam's razor nowadays
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gut is all it is right nowIn post 230, Datisi wrote:@peta, talk to me about your read on sirius?free crypto- petapan
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i definitely get this because i'm way prone to overthinking things that are simple. i'm also probably biased toward adorable's hyper-earnnest style of posting, but then she posts something like 264 and i just have absolutely no idea what to think about itIn post 242, xRECKONERx wrote:
also stepping back, the larger point of my story ab what i did last time was pointing out i believe there's a site meta problem not "here's what i would do as scum"In post 228, petapan wrote:well yes but you're you and adorable is not you and right now it feels more like the sort of trivial weirdness scum would harp on over an actual scumslip
the fact current site meta gives so much cover for people to do bad contradictory anti town things leaves scum so much cover to get away with murder
the original vote on page 1 was quite literally because datisi posted before me and put a vote on him and i felt like starting a wagon, my vote was gonna be one someone else if he hadn't beaten me to the punchIn post 253, Augustus Caesar wrote:@petapan: What was the purpose of your original Sirius vote?
knowing what i know about you i'd volume clear you right now but it still feels too early and if ever there was a game to tryhard as scum it's this one. on content idk right nowIn post 258, Datisi wrote:there is a certain amount of disappointment in you only finding me ~kinda~ town.
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yeah i've seen some gamesIn post 282, Datisi wrote:
are you familiar with my scumgame past marathons? i assume that's where this is coming fromIn post 270, petapan wrote:knowing what i know about you i'd volume clear you right now but it still feels too early and if ever there was a game to tryhard as scum it's this one. on content idk right nowfree crypto- petapan
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i was waiting for his second post before springing that one, but, yes
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i have not solicited them for their thoughts (i don't think there's been enough of note so far, although i contemplated asking for a sanity check on adorable) but if i did would probably just use it as a supplement to my own reads rather than spitting out other people's opinions into the air, if that makes senseIn post 306, Augustus Caesar wrote:fair
do your teammates have any thoughts on this game so far, peta?
i'm gonna extend that question to Datisi too, since he's got some quality ones
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you keep saying the things i want to say before i say themIn post 361, Augustus Caesar wrote:beeboy is a lot worse than Sirius because beeboy's playing to his scummeta while Sirius is playing to his siriusmeta
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dude are you kidding me with thisIn post 367, Aristophanes wrote:This interaction, or lack thereof, gives me partner vibes on Datisi and Bulge, though we all know how reliable preflip associatives are especially this early in the game. I'll be keeping an eye on them regardless.free crypto- petapan
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for the adorable question, i mainly wanted to state it to her in as clerar tearms as possible so she'd answer it and we'd get some sort of resolution. i was looking for some sort of consistency in her reasoning, that she hadn't just decided to justify her vote post hoc after being asked about it by DV. i thought the response made sense but then she seemed to get contradictory again so i just threw my hands up in the air. my problem currently is i can see her using the reasoning she's had this game as town or scumIn post 378, Aristophanes wrote:You didn't want to elaborate on Sirius. Can you elaborate on The Bulge here?
And as I asked Reck, what honestly do you expect their answer to be here? Everyone being stuck on this shit is legitimately stupid.
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if it's necessary to convince people i will explain but i have basically no intention of letting this slideIn post 381, Aristophanes wrote:I suppose this is a reasonable point. I don't think I have recent enough beeboy!scum meta to say anything either way here. People say the same about me when I can't produce and it's definitely something worth looking at, but I'd expect it to happen after at least a second proddodge.free crypto- petapan
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it was part me starting to think reck wasn't responding to being voted the way i feel scum would, and part dv saying you should be getting more attention combined with your popin. it was not a strong feel. one of my teammates did read the game and said they didn't like your approach to reck but this was after i made the voteIn post 385, Aristophanes wrote:I see why DV voted me but what was your reason?free crypto- petapan
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i don't think we need to rush it but day 1 probably doesn't need to be that long tbh. like if it goes beyond 25-30 pages it's just bloat and is actively harmful to the game
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this is very vague, which thoughts do you like?In post 443, Adorable wrote:I like how Summer is writing her thoughts which looks town to me.free crypto- petapan
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i understand what you are saying, sirius, but i am not advocating for activity as a generalized tellIn post 453, Sirius9121 wrote:inactivity, or activity otherwise, is really non-indicative of scum or town.
As an example,in my only scum game on MS, notscience, who wasthe second highest poster, was scum.
see, this is beeboy.
beeboy doesn't like playing as scum.
so what does he do when he draws scum? simple.he doesn't play the game. he lurks, he makes excuses, he says he'll post later and doesn't deliver, he apologizes, and then does it all over again until people finally decide enough is enough. so him making his first post where he leads off with an excuse, and ends with promising content later is a bad start for him.
now, it's looking like he's actually going to flake and be replaced, so, fine, we can let the replacement play the game. it's possible he truly just didn't have time to play and this is all null. but this is, like, a verifiable behavior pattern across multiple games, he has practically admitted this is what he does, people familiar with him are aware of this. blah blah, some people here don't like meta, i do not care, this is not "oh x is playing like y game" or "they have a different ~tone~ as scum", this is based on actual actions he takes strategically as scum. so i think whoever replaces him ishould be given a heavy deal of scrutiny.free crypto- petapan
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xof, from what i understand, doesn't play mafia much so i'm sort of chalking up inactivity to that and in 3 posts she produced some actual content that wasn't badIn post 460, Aristophanes wrote:Also I fund all of the attention on beeboy funny because xof hasn't been here in the same amount of time and nobody cares? There was a 3 hour difference between their last posts.
Like I get that beebs is a meta point but still, the fact that nobody cares if a slot that has only 3 posts has been silent the same amount of time be has is funny to me.free crypto- petapan
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i look dumb for this but once again adorable's explanation is okay to me? i felt like she was tripping over herself with regard to how she felt about people defending her but the way she explains it makes sense to me for how she thinks. like it was not her saying it but her teammate, and so that's consistent enough. obviously a little naive but the belief feels real enough. so we are back to
beeboy stop doing this shit in 2021 challenge
VOTE: beeboy
okay here's a couple beeboy scumgames where he pulls this stalling routine where he keeps talking about how he'll contribute later:
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the only way he's gonna stop pulling this crap is by people getting aware of it and policying it.
additionally this is a team game and even if his team is /effort personified there's no reason in a game of this pace they couldn't assemble some sort of reads, the fact that he has nothing and isn't trying is telling. this is what he does. it's not busyness. it's a manipulation tactic. people want to give the player who hasn't done anything time and he plays off that. (he has said "social manipulation is easier than faking reads". i hard disagree but that's a story for another time)
again if this were a rando it would not be scummy necessarily, just frustrating. like i don't care about xof being less present because i don't know them and them being less active isn't a tell. lack of interest is lack of interest. for beeboy in particular, inactivity is a tell andthe way he is stalling is scummy. idk how much i have to hammer this point home.
and at this point there is no point waiting for him because if he is in fact scum, and i am pretty confident on that, he knows he's already burnt and he's just not gonna give us anything to work with
anyway i'll probably get my team together to pool reads on the other slots for this game but like. this should be the play today. i would prefer to kill scum today and figure everyone else out tomorrow. we dont need to do this ohh noo we gotta sort in active players todayyyy thing. we've had discussions, there's some stuff on the table, picking it back up won't be a problem.free crypto- petapan
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i'm sorry for any slipups, it was not intentional, i try to be respectful about these things but get careless sometimes, will make sure to proofread my posts in the futureIn post 487, Isis wrote:I need for pronoun usage to improve. At least the following users have used a specific pronoun incorrectly between my last warning and this one:
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why those users in particular, just wondering?In post 491, Sirius9121 wrote:very simple half read list:
artistic boi: very stressed as scum. more prone to theatre. so far so quiet. +town
pink fluff: giant sheep? 128 was some extent to a read BUT only mentions dats/hect/xof/ari/creature? to some extent is always sheeping hect/summer? +scum
bulge boi: really asking other ppl many questions but no... readlists themselves?
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who do you wanna vote thenIn post 512, Creature wrote:I wouldn't oppose lynching them at the end of the day, but so far wagoning beeboy or chauffer look improductive.free crypto- petapan
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lmaoIn post 520, The Bulge wrote:
what is odd to you about Adorable only presenting reads on a select few players?In post 491, Sirius9121 wrote:very simple half read list:
artistic boi: very stressed as scum. more prone to theatre. so far so quiet. +town
pink fluff: giant sheep? 128 was some extent to a read BUT only mentions dats/hect/xof/ari/creature? to some extent is always sheeping hect/summer? +scum
bulge boi: really asking other ppl many questions but no... readlists themselves?
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feel like scum r less likely to defend an inactive teammate because they know the slot likely gets flipped at some point and it reflects bad on them where where town are more likely to view it through a neutral lens and assume it could be anything and be reticent to flip there
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i will admit him flaking in the first one weakens the case but in betrayal he was able to produce some level of opinion where here it is nothing
i also think the language in his two posts has been scummy (yes, really). the "is there something I should know before reading back?" is the sort of thing a friend of mine would latch onto b/c ben franklin effect or w/e
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epilogue was actually one of the ones i was thinking of because i remembered watching that and wondering why he was allowed to get away with his "uwu i'll play later" routine for so long
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eh like i don't agree with you, we can & should be discussing everyone else right now (which is why i'm talking to you!) because it's not like beeboy is gonna say shit but there's enough info out in the open to be considering the other players in the game, which we're going to have to do tomorrow even if we do just shoot beeboy into the sun. appreciate the answer on ari. clarity helpsIn post 549, Datisi wrote:
i don't have a better place for it. because in the current state, either beeboy will start not being obvscum or he's going to get yeeted. but before either happens, there's no point moving my vote around ~for pressure~ because nobody is gonna get pressured from it because they know the current focus is on beeboy. and even if i had a stronger non-beeboy non-ari scumread (not sure if i do right now), voting them for non-pressure reasons is also moot because again, beeboy is a thing, nobody is getting flipped before beeboy at this time.In post 541, petapan wrote:but, regardless. your vote's still on ari, does his recent spate of posting do nothing for you, do you find it scummy, please update those thoughts
i also don't want to potentially have to deal with being called beeboy's scumbuddy for desperately trying to counterwagon someone later if he does flip scum.
i'd have removed my vote if i was townreading ari, but like... not sure i am? when i first read 541 i thought if i have thoughts on the wallposts ari wrote and i realized i pretty much remembered nothing from them, and i did read them like twice. the most interesting thing from them was the "i scumread dats for tone except i think i'm wrong, i'll go into this later" so i'm waiting on that.
idk i thought his catchup seemed fine
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i don't think i have anything above room temperature. i guess i still think xof is a townlean off their content so far and hope they return with more in the futureDatisi wrote:fair.
what's the spiciest / most hot-take read you have right now?
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i felt like reck had a good point up until adorable explained herself again and then i decided she made sense and so it wasn't a good point. pretty simple. i vacillated some because a lot of her posting felt like it could be either town or scumIn post 566, DeasVail wrote:
This vote is not what I expected and is the opposite of the direction of my own read, which was heading towards Adorable-town.In post 458, petapan wrote:that said,
VOTE: Adorable
Reck finally pulled me down on one side of the fence
this feels towny lol. like i would expect if he was scum his teammates would throw him a bone and give him something to say rather than just shruggingIn post 568, Sirius9121 wrote:
iconeum has given up on me and has told me that he's treating this game as schrodinger's cat.In post 535, Datisi wrote:have your teammates weighed in on this game at all?
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