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Post Post #10 (isolation #0) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:03 pm

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VOTE: sirius
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Post Post #14 (isolation #1) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:42 pm

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lots of scumtells from bulge, 4th vote on a wagon
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Post Post #29 (isolation #2) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:56 pm

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you dont have to wrry about being distracted when no one is posting
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Post Post #36 (isolation #3) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:57 pm

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okay i won't ask you anything

VOTE: summer nights
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Post Post #39 (isolation #4) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:07 pm

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oh man are we actually getting every hectic personality in this game

if so i want to say hi to grumpy cat
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Post Post #48 (isolation #5) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:54 pm

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In post 46, Augustus Caesar wrote:grumble GRUMBLE

Someone pat me, I hate staying on an even number of pats

petapan how do you play scum and town differently? I'm scared of you

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my approach is mostly the same. but i'm the worst person to ask that question because my perspective is biased and i don't wanna lay out what i feel my own limitations are. but i'll give the answer i gave in a recent game that i'll probably be more spontaneous as town.

any thoughts on anyone who's posted so far?
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Post Post #81 (isolation #6) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:11 am

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oh sirius actually drew scum this game

VOTE: sirius
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Post Post #83 (isolation #7) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:31 am

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In post 51, Augustus Caesar wrote:[
In post 36, petapan wrote:okay i won't ask you anything

VOTE: summer nights
I assume you didn't read it as jokey so I like this vote. Right?
did read it as jokey but didn't vibe with the way she started
There you go, that's me scraping the bottom of the barrel for everything AI

I hope you're happy

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thank you for entertaining my desperate request to produce content that we will both probably forget about in a few pages
In post 68, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 48, petapan wrote:my approach is mostly the same. but i'm the worst person to ask that question because my perspective is biased and i don't wanna lay out what i feel my own limitations are. but i'll give the answer i gave in a recent game that i'll probably be more spontaneous as town.
Not even for Team Mafia for an easy townread?

If there's ever a time to lay out your flaws when playing scum it's now

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you underestimate just how much i like being the bad guy

although i suppose withholding for the sake of possible future games isn't sporting. but then even if i tell people they're not going to believe me, enough people here have seen me as scum that they're going to be skeptical of me most of the time

but at some point this game i will play like i wouldn't as scum

it's just not going to happen early game
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Post Post #209 (isolation #8) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:38 pm

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bulge townie


adorable in you said the vote wasn't based on anything, but in you said it was because of how augustus gave a fast town read. that's what people are getting on your case about. can you address this?
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Post Post #216 (isolation #9) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:38 pm

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so, you voted him for rvs reasons, then after you voted him, when asked about him, you read his stuff and came away wondering about the townread? is that correct?
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Post Post #218 (isolation #10) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:50 pm

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but you said the vote wasn't based on anything when asked?
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Post Post #220 (isolation #11) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:22 pm

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okay.

maybe im overthinking it but dont think scum acts so blatantly self-contradictory early game and the responses seem to come from some sort of headspace where this all makes sense
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Post Post #222 (isolation #12) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:07 pm

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VOTE: reck
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Post Post #228 (isolation #13) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:50 am

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In post 226, xRECKONERx wrote:ok like LITERALLY ok

last game I was scum my whole idea was to try to claim as fucking dumb as possible because people would eat it up as being WAY TOO SUSPICIOUS to be suspicious

and when i was caught red handed killing the dead townie the fact that i pretended to be just absolutely fucking unaware and stupid let me survive longer than it should have

i wanted to do this BECAUSE people tend to go all "iamverysmart" and ignore occam's razor nowadays

i'm still p happy and comfy on adorable
well yes but you're you and adorable is not you and right now it feels more like the sort of trivial weirdness scum would harp on over an actual scumslip
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Post Post #231 (isolation #14) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:16 am

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In post 230, Datisi wrote:@peta, talk to me about your read on sirius?
gut is all it is right now
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Post Post #233 (isolation #15) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:29 am

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not really no i just wanna poke there instead
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Post Post #270 (isolation #16) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:31 pm

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In post 242, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 228, petapan wrote:well yes but you're you and adorable is not you and right now it feels more like the sort of trivial weirdness scum would harp on over an actual scumslip
also stepping back, the larger point of my story ab what i did last time was pointing out i believe there's a site meta problem not "here's what i would do as scum"
the fact current site meta gives so much cover for people to do bad contradictory anti town things leaves scum so much cover to get away with murder
i definitely get this because i'm way prone to overthinking things that are simple. i'm also probably biased toward adorable's hyper-earnnest style of posting, but then she posts something like 264 and i just have absolutely no idea what to think about it
In post 253, Augustus Caesar wrote:@petapan: What was the purpose of your original Sirius vote?
the original vote on page 1 was quite literally because datisi posted before me and put a vote on him and i felt like starting a wagon, my vote was gonna be one someone else if he hadn't beaten me to the punch
In post 258, Datisi wrote:there is a certain amount of disappointment in you only finding me ~kinda~ town.

is there anything more to deas other than some of his words feeling off?
knowing what i know about you i'd volume clear you right now but it still feels too early and if ever there was a game to tryhard as scum it's this one. on content idk right now
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Post Post #288 (isolation #17) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:20 am

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VOTE: aristophanes
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Post Post #289 (isolation #18) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:30 am

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In post 282, Datisi wrote:
In post 270, petapan wrote:knowing what i know about you i'd volume clear you right now but it still feels too early and if ever there was a game to tryhard as scum it's this one. on content idk right now
are you familiar with my scumgame past marathons? i assume that's where this is coming from
yeah i've seen some games
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Post Post #290 (isolation #19) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:46 am

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xof having the read of adorable/summar as S/S feels real enough, i suppose. misread people before off them floating loopy s/s theories on day 1 but this
doesn't
feel too -out there- to be a townie thought


i'm liking the relaxed pace of this game, real 2010-2012 vibes
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Post Post #305 (isolation #20) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:24 am

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In post 299, Augustus Caesar wrote:beeboy, i can already tell you're scum

VOTE: beeboy

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i was waiting for his second post before springing that one, but, yes
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Post Post #310 (isolation #21) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:33 am

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In post 306, Augustus Caesar wrote:fair

do your teammates have any thoughts on this game so far, peta?

i'm gonna extend that question to Datisi too, since he's got some quality ones

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i have not solicited them for their thoughts (i don't think there's been enough of note so far, although i contemplated asking for a sanity check on adorable) but if i did would probably just use it as a supplement to my own reads rather than spitting out other people's opinions into the air, if that makes sense
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Post Post #347 (isolation #22) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:03 pm

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i'm not sure what sirius is doing, honestly
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Post Post #362 (isolation #23) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:29 am

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In post 361, Augustus Caesar wrote:beeboy is a lot worse than Sirius because beeboy's playing to his scummeta while Sirius is playing to his siriusmeta
you keep saying the things i want to say before i say them

really we're just chewing the fat before we decide we're gonna kill beeboy anyway

i'm voting him when he hits his prod timer
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Post Post #368 (isolation #24) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:04 am

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In post 367, Aristophanes wrote:This interaction, or lack thereof, gives me partner vibes on Datisi and Bulge, though we all know how reliable preflip associatives are especially this early in the game. I'll be keeping an eye on them regardless.
dude are you kidding me with this
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Post Post #369 (isolation #25) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:06 am

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you didn't phrase to me like a question so i saw no need to answer, and if even if you'd asked for an explanation i was just as likely not to give one
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Post Post #373 (isolation #26) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:00 am

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no offense but it feels like you're forcing analysis here

but as promised

VOTE: beeboy

because let's face it, this is what he does as scum, promising to read later and not post, anyone who knows him knows it, the game is so slow it shouldn't be a problem at all
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Post Post #375 (isolation #27) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:15 am

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nah if it were any other username i'd agree with you but this is a special case and i wanna get it out of the way now
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Post Post #380 (isolation #28) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:49 am

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In post 378, Aristophanes wrote:You didn't want to elaborate on Sirius. Can you elaborate on The Bulge here?
And as I asked Reck, what honestly do you expect their answer to be here? Everyone being stuck on this shit is legitimately stupid.
for the adorable question, i mainly wanted to state it to her in as clerar tearms as possible so she'd answer it and we'd get some sort of resolution. i was looking for some sort of consistency in her reasoning, that she hadn't just decided to justify her vote post hoc after being asked about it by DV. i thought the response made sense but then she seemed to get contradictory again so i just threw my hands up in the air. my problem currently is i can see her using the reasoning she's had this game as town or scum


bulge, at the time, seemed to be asking questions i liked and getting on sirius about the particular time interval felt townie to care about that sort of specificity. on looking back at his iso, i'm not sure i like it much at all actually
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Post Post #383 (isolation #29) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:00 am

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In post 381, Aristophanes wrote:I suppose this is a reasonable point. I don't think I have recent enough beeboy!scum meta to say anything either way here. People say the same about me when I can't produce and it's definitely something worth looking at, but I'd expect it to happen after at least a second proddodge.
if it's necessary to convince people i will explain but i have basically no intention of letting this slide
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Post Post #388 (isolation #30) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:36 pm

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In post 385, Aristophanes wrote:I see why DV voted me but what was your reason?
it was part me starting to think reck wasn't responding to being voted the way i feel scum would, and part dv saying you should be getting more attention combined with your popin. it was not a strong feel. one of my teammates did read the game and said they didn't like your approach to reck but this was after i made the vote
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Post Post #389 (isolation #31) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:44 pm

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he also thinks sirius is town from a small amount of experience with him. i'm not sure if there is a way to sort him off inthread info
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Post Post #434 (isolation #32) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:46 pm

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In post 424, Summer Nights wrote:Yes! i make those

though tbh i dont think we should speed elim
i don't think we need to rush it but day 1 probably doesn't need to be that long tbh. like if it goes beyond 25-30 pages it's just bloat and is actively harmful to the game

although i should probably give something resembling actual thought regarding most of the slots in the game. also want to hear what ari has to say about bulge
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Post Post #437 (isolation #33) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:09 pm

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seconding that
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Post Post #440 (isolation #34) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:51 pm

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why the townreads on DV, ari, and summer? do you often find people not participating to be scum, rather than simply not having the time? (i am aware i'm voting beeboy too, but have reasons that go beyond that)
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Post Post #442 (isolation #35) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:24 pm

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i will explain it at some point don't worry but need to hear from adorable in her own words
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Post Post #444 (isolation #36) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:32 pm

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In post 443, Adorable wrote:I like how Summer is writing her thoughts which looks town to me.
this is very vague, which thoughts do you like?
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Post Post #448 (isolation #37) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:50 pm

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...what about them?
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Post Post #457 (isolation #38) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:33 am

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In post 453, Sirius9121 wrote:inactivity, or activity otherwise, is really non-indicative of scum or town.

As an example,
in my only scum game on MS
, notscience, who was
the second highest poster
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i understand what you are saying, sirius, but i am not advocating for activity as a generalized tell

see, this is beeboy.

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beeboy doesn't like playing as scum.

so what does he do when he draws scum? simple.
he doesn't play the game
. he lurks, he makes excuses, he says he'll post later and doesn't deliver, he apologizes, and then does it all over again until people finally decide enough is enough. so him making his first post where he leads off with an excuse, and ends with promising content later is a bad start for him.

now, it's looking like he's actually going to flake and be replaced, so, fine, we can let the replacement play the game. it's possible he truly just didn't have time to play and this is all null. but this is, like, a verifiable behavior pattern across multiple games, he has practically admitted this is what he does, people familiar with him are aware of this. blah blah, some people here don't like meta, i do not care, this is not "oh x is playing like y game" or "they have a different ~tone~ as scum", this is based on actual actions he takes strategically as scum. so i think whoever replaces him ishould be given a heavy deal of scrutiny.
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Post Post #458 (isolation #39) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:34 am

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that said,

VOTE: Adorable

Reck finally pulled me down on one side of the fence
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Post Post #463 (isolation #40) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:12 am

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In post 460, Aristophanes wrote:Also I fund all of the attention on beeboy funny because xof hasn't been here in the same amount of time and nobody cares? There was a 3 hour difference between their last posts.

Like I get that beebs is a meta point but still, the fact that nobody cares if a slot that has only 3 posts has been silent the same amount of time be has is funny to me.
xof, from what i understand, doesn't play mafia much so i'm sort of chalking up inactivity to that and in 3 posts she produced some actual content that wasn't bad
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Post Post #472 (isolation #41) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:49 am

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oh look he did the exact thing i said he was going to do well how about that what a surprise
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Post Post #474 (isolation #42) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:00 am

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ari are you gonna get to your thoughts on bulge at some point
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Post Post #481 (isolation #43) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:30 am

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i look dumb for this but once again adorable's explanation is okay to me? i felt like she was tripping over herself with regard to how she felt about people defending her but the way she explains it makes sense to me for how she thinks. like it was not her saying it but her teammate, and so that's consistent enough. obviously a little naive but the belief feels real enough. so we are back to

beeboy stop doing this shit in 2021 challenge

VOTE: beeboy

okay here's a couple beeboy scumgames where he pulls this stalling routine where he keeps talking about how he'll contribute later:
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viewtopic.php?t=84956&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

the only way he's gonna stop pulling this crap is by people getting aware of it and policying it.

additionally this is a team game and even if his team is /effort personified there's no reason in a game of this pace they couldn't assemble some sort of reads, the fact that he has nothing and isn't trying is telling. this is what he does. it's not busyness. it's a manipulation tactic. people want to give the player who hasn't done anything time and he plays off that. (he has said "social manipulation is easier than faking reads". i hard disagree but that's a story for another time)

again if this were a rando it would not be scummy necessarily, just frustrating. like i don't care about xof being less present because i don't know them and them being less active isn't a tell. lack of interest is lack of interest. for beeboy in particular, inactivity is a tell and
the way he is stalling is scummy
. idk how much i have to hammer this point home.

and at this point there is no point waiting for him because if he is in fact scum, and i am pretty confident on that, he knows he's already burnt and he's just not gonna give us anything to work with


anyway i'll probably get my team together to pool reads on the other slots for this game but like. this should be the play today. i would prefer to kill scum today and figure everyone else out tomorrow. we dont need to do this ohh noo we gotta sort in active players todayyyy thing. we've had discussions, there's some stuff on the table, picking it back up won't be a problem.
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Post Post #483 (isolation #44) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:40 am

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i am literally telling you this is literally his strategy lol

but as long as you're voting there it's cool
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Post Post #497 (isolation #45) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:07 pm

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In post 487, Isis wrote:I need for pronoun usage to improve. At least the following users have used a specific pronoun incorrectly between my last warning and this one:

Summer Nights
petapan
i'm sorry for any slipups, it was not intentional, i try to be respectful about these things but get careless sometimes, will make sure to proofread my posts in the future
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Post Post #498 (isolation #46) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:09 pm

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In post 491, Sirius9121 wrote:very simple half read list:

artistic boi: very stressed as scum. more prone to theatre. so far so quiet. +town
pink fluff: giant sheep? was some extent to a read BUT only mentions dats/hect/xof/ari/creature? to some extent is always sheeping hect/summer? +scum
bulge boi: really asking other ppl many questions but no... readlists themselves?
heccticc: uh... assuming they are starrling seems very different from starrling from 2175? many reads which im not like 100% sure is a good thing due to town mafia
why those users in particular, just wondering?
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Post Post #510 (isolation #47) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:26 am

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i've said my part, you can ask hectic or ydrasse to elaborate if you want. but i think your assessment is more or less right
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Post Post #513 (isolation #48) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:38 am

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In post 512, Creature wrote:I wouldn't oppose lynching them at the end of the day, but so far wagoning beeboy or chauffer look improductive.
who do you wanna vote then
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Post Post #523 (isolation #49) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:09 am

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In post 520, The Bulge wrote:
In post 491, Sirius9121 wrote:very simple half read list:

artistic boi: very stressed as scum. more prone to theatre. so far so quiet. +town
pink fluff: giant sheep? was some extent to a read BUT only mentions dats/hect/xof/ari/creature? to some extent is always sheeping hect/summer? +scum
bulge boi: really asking other ppl many questions but no... readlists themselves?
heccticc: uh... assuming they are starrling seems very different from starrling from 2175? many reads which im not like 100% sure is a good thing due to town mafia
what is odd to you about Adorable only presenting reads on a select few players?
lmao
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Post Post #525 (isolation #50) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:25 am

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feel like scum r less likely to defend an inactive teammate because they know the slot likely gets flipped at some point and it reflects bad on them where where town are more likely to view it through a neutral lens and assume it could be anything and be reticent to flip there

was my experience offsite with a single game, of course people can take different approaches
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Post Post #541 (isolation #51) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:40 am

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i will admit him flaking in the first one weakens the case but in betrayal he was able to produce some level of opinion where here it is nothing

i also think the language in his two posts has been scummy (yes, really). the "is there something I should know before reading back?" is the sort of thing a friend of mine would latch onto b/c ben franklin effect or w/e



but, regardless. your vote's still on ari, does his recent spate of posting do nothing for you, do you find it scummy, please update those thoughts
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Post Post #544 (isolation #52) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:55 am

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epilogue was actually one of the ones i was thinking of because i remembered watching that and wondering why he was allowed to get away with his "uwu i'll play later" routine for so long


on reflection i don't think i like from bulge
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Post Post #546 (isolation #53) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:06 am

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i think his original vote was timed as there was momentum on ari and the reasoning was only "didn't vibe with his comeback post" but now momentum is dying s it's just "walls look townie despite badlogic" like...that's all?
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Post Post #556 (isolation #54) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:30 am

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In post 549, Datisi wrote:
In post 541, petapan wrote:but, regardless. your vote's still on ari, does his recent spate of posting do nothing for you, do you find it scummy, please update those thoughts
i don't have a better place for it. because in the current state, either beeboy will start not being obvscum or he's going to get yeeted. but before either happens, there's no point moving my vote around ~for pressure~ because nobody is gonna get pressured from it because they know the current focus is on beeboy. and even if i had a stronger non-beeboy non-ari scumread (not sure if i do right now), voting them for non-pressure reasons is also moot because again, beeboy is a thing, nobody is getting flipped before beeboy at this time.

i also don't want to potentially have to deal with being called beeboy's scumbuddy for desperately trying to counterwagon someone later if he does flip scum.

i'd have removed my vote if i was townreading ari, but like... not sure i am? when i first read i thought if i have thoughts on the wallposts ari wrote and i realized i pretty much remembered nothing from them, and i did read them like twice. the most interesting thing from them was the "i scumread dats for tone except i think i'm wrong, i'll go into this later" so i'm waiting on that.
eh like i don't agree with you, we can & should be discussing everyone else right now (which is why i'm talking to you!) because it's not like beeboy is gonna say shit but there's enough info out in the open to be considering the other players in the game, which we're going to have to do tomorrow even if we do just shoot beeboy into the sun. appreciate the answer on ari. clarity helps
In post 550, Augustus Caesar wrote:I find it impossible to read Creature. How does one do it

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idk i thought his catchup seemed fine
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Post Post #557 (isolation #55) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:31 am

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or i guess i do agree in the sense of Let's Talk About Other Stuff
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Post Post #562 (isolation #56) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:52 am

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i said i'd get my team to pool reds but they haven't answered and they've been dealing with their own stuff

i personally hate doing readslists as town so i probably wouldn't bother unless a gun was being held to my head (but dayvigs aren't a thing in normals anymore, ha)
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Post Post #565 (isolation #57) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:11 am

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Datisi wrote:fair.

what's the spiciest / most hot-take read you have right now?
i don't think i have anything above room temperature. i guess i still think xof is a townlean off their content so far and hope they return with more in the future
xRECKONERx wrote:didn't peta say he had a vanity wagon he wanted to sit on
that was bulge
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Post Post #578 (isolation #58) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:20 pm

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In post 566, DeasVail wrote:
In post 458, petapan wrote:that said,

VOTE: Adorable

Reck finally pulled me down on one side of the fence
This vote is not what I expected and is the opposite of the direction of my own read, which was heading towards Adorable-town.
i felt like reck had a good point up until adorable explained herself again and then i decided she made sense and so it wasn't a good point. pretty simple. i vacillated some because a lot of her posting felt like it could be either town or scum
In post 568, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 535, Datisi wrote:have your teammates weighed in on this game at all?
iconeum has given up on me and has told me that he's treating this game as schrodinger's cat.
this feels towny lol. like i would expect if he was scum his teammates would throw him a bone and give him something to say rather than just shrugging
In post 569, Datisi wrote:those seem like a bit too big words for ico <_< >_>
what, but they're not too big for sirius? lol (no offense sirius)
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Post Post #579 (isolation #59) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:21 pm

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i don't think iv has good reason to townread me but i don't think it's a scum take
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Post Post #582 (isolation #60) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:34 pm

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In post 576, DeasVail wrote:a peta townread is a very easy read to have considering that peta's posting on surface level looks protown and has been one of the least controversial slots of this game.
do u feel like scum would townread my play so far
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Post Post #585 (isolation #61) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:04 pm

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In post 583, DeasVail wrote:
In post 582, petapan wrote:
In post 576, DeasVail wrote:a peta townread is a very easy read to have considering that peta's posting on surface level looks protown and has been one of the least controversial slots of this game.
do u feel like scum would townread my play so far
I think so, yes. In a game like this where there are many easy targets, someone like you who is making reasonable posts and appears to be furthering the town's agenda is not worth suspecting as scum, regardless of your alignment.

(Obviously this isn't going to apply 100% but I would be suspicious of anyone calling you town and not saying much beyond that)
i've actually said very little though, my biggest concentration of words was just elaborating on why i think beeboy is scum. scum do townread me often but usually when i am posting intensively, rather than being laid back. maybe if they were trying to buddy me but he's obviously not gonna do that with a teammate read. i've had approximately 0 care to projecting towniness this game. i could just bullshit reads if i wanted to, but it doesn't actually do any good to manufacture opinions when i don't think a significant deal of what people have said is very telling at all

but anyway i don't think it's a read scum decide to give out. probably. i would like him to explain it though
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Post Post #604 (isolation #62) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:37 pm

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bulge can you just say who your vanity vote is already i dont care what the reasoning is. it feels like we are just waiting around on a few people
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Post Post #606 (isolation #63) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:50 pm

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i am 100% confirmed scum
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Post Post #611 (isolation #64) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:10 pm

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i like that response from ari
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Post Post #612 (isolation #65) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:12 pm

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very free flowing
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Post Post #617 (isolation #66) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:23 am

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In post 615, Sirius9121 wrote:
@cactus head


ico just told you to bite him because u said that schrodinger's cat is a big word for dragon boi.
sirius, can you please get iv to explain why he townreads me and paraphrase it, thank you
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Post Post #619 (isolation #67) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:24 am

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In post 618, Datisi wrote:i wrote this down in my notes but then i realized there isn't really a reason not to type it out into the main thread. if beeboy is town, i think this reaction kinda sorta sounds like scum annoyed that their ez misyeet might slither away.
if i'm scum here i don't think i even bother pushing this because it's beneficial to have a nothing slot like that going later into the game because people will always distrust it and he's not likely to be a threat, i just keep him constantly on the backburner and push elsewhere. i mean i guess the risk would be that he starts actually playing and gets townread but it's hard for people to overcome their bias toawrd a slot if it gets a late start.


that being said i think i could shift my vote to the bulge here. that's probably underwhelming as well but when ari said he suspected bulge, i did go back and look and see he was doing a lot of questioning without pushing anywhere, and the fact that he keeps
talking about
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actually doing it
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Post Post #621 (isolation #68) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:31 am

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i read games a lot in my spare time or at least skim them, and he was scum in xenoblade where he was like the one scum i actually read correctly, but that game was such a psychotic hyperposting spamfest that i didn't feel as though it would be a good representative case at all
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Post Post #648 (isolation #69) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:59 pm

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i was going to ask why DV was scumreading creature since it's the first he's mentioned it but it looks like he's getting into that

VOTE: the bulge

i've kinda accepted beeboy is just going to disappear so i'll vote somewhere that might react
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Post Post #654 (isolation #70) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:17 pm

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In post 650, The Bulge wrote:in like an ari-meta way, or like, are you implying only town can type out their thoughts as they come?
it felt stream of consciousness-y in a believable way
In post 650, The Bulge wrote:lmao my guy I mentioned it once. I had to bounce and didn't want to drop a naked vote on someone I have more than a gutread on. you asked about, reck asked about, deas has mentioned it, datisi has mentioned it.

also how much time do you think I need to come up with one fake scumread hahaha. I've been scum more than a handful of times, I know what I'm doing. I haven't even given a name yet, you think scum!me can't find a single shred of justification for literally any townie in the game? that....kinda hurts lol

also you are familiar enough with my play even just from Antechamber alone to know that procrastination is NAI for me. in fact I seriously don't think town!you could throw out some "people tend to procrastinate more as scum" bullshit with a straight face regardless of who you were applying that to. it's just so weak. you were coming up with far better shit to shade me for in Antechamber and we were both town.

yea this post sucks, dude.
i mean, like, i've missed before so i'm hesitant and am generally feeling dispassionate but AtEing me over some past game isn't gonna make me stop doing shit and in fact just makes me want to push harder. i think you've been sideline-y in a scummy way and dont understand the hesitance to name a simple gutread
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Post Post #660 (isolation #71) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:40 pm

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In post 655, The Bulge wrote:I am working on a case as we speak. as I specifically stated, it is more than a gutread, hence why no, I will not be throwing it away on a whim simply for your satisfaction. the fact that you are trying to rush information out of me when I have already made it abundantly clear that I want to spend time on it, and then calling ME scummy for refusing to cater to some scumfuck's demands? please.
lol what the fuck is this

my big scum agenda: rush bulge to out his secret read in a stagnant game
In post 656, The Bulge wrote:also, please point out where I appealed to your emotion. "that hurts" was a joke. if you misinterpreted that part, fine, but if there is something else then please share.
specifically bringing up my past misread of you is a form of emotional appeal that's trying to intimidate me into backing down. you remind me of a mistake, the effect is to make me think i might be wrong again even though it's entirely different circumstances so i don't really care
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Post Post #665 (isolation #72) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:45 pm

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zzz
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Post Post #668 (isolation #73) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:48 pm

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we're on page 27 and you're basing a case on someone on jokey self-awareness come the fuck on

really took you that long to put that shit together? too hard scraping the bottom of the barrel?
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Post Post #671 (isolation #74) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:56 pm

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In post 666, The Bulge wrote:is what I said false? did you not prompt me to share my thoughts before they were ready, and then suggest that made me scummy?

sure, ok, but my point was never that you were wrong about me that game, it's that your reasons actually made sense and were extremely believable from my pov to be coming from town. here I see you spouting bullshit I don't think you even believe yourself.
ya i think you holding off rather than blurting it out signalled a lack of conviction

which if i had a case that shitty i'd be scared to say anything either


i always believe my reasons, even when i'm making them up tbh, but i don't think it's outrageous to say you were sideliney and this response is way over the top
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Post Post #672 (isolation #75) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:58 pm

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In post 670, DeasVail wrote:
In post 668, petapan wrote:we're on page 27 and you're basing a case on someone on jokey self-awareness come the fuck on

really took you that long to put that shit together? too hard scraping the bottom of the barrel?
You seem oddly unnerved
why would i be unnerved by someone scumcasing datisi lmao
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Post Post #675 (isolation #76) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:05 pm

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In post 673, DeasVail wrote:That’s what I was wondering too?
uhhhh okay then?

don't know how you read that as unnerved, when i get unnerved i tend to clam up a little bit
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Post Post #680 (isolation #77) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:18 pm

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DeasVail wrote:I could be wrong. I was just surprised to see bulge’s case inspire so much passion.

The big lead-up to an ultimately underwhelming case seems like a weird move from scum.
i guess you could say i am
agitated
which started with his response to me and then continued with him dropping a post whose reasoning i felt to be especially weak

i don't see it being "weird" makes it less likely, not like people can always fabricate strong cases or anticipate how they'll be received, but if someone is hoping to give the appearance of ~genuine solving~ or whatever the kids call it these days it helps to look like you have ~original thinking~. but reasoning based on someone sounding "off" is rvs-ish stuff, it's underdeveloped and seemingly brushes by actual content. i don't like it!
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Post Post #681 (isolation #78) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:22 pm

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In post 677, The Bulge wrote:
In post 668, petapan wrote:really took you that long to put that shit together?
????????

yes peta, for 30 hours I toiled over my case. I didnt sleep last night, or go to work today or yesterday, nor did I just spend the time right when I got home responding to other parts of the game.

this is the shit I was talking about. you don't believe this push because you know that is not how the game works.
yeah okay man this was definitely not you struggling to force a bad case
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Post Post #686 (isolation #79) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:49 pm

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sirius did you ever get an answer from iv on why he's reading me as town

i suddenly realize whatever answer i get probably won't be that interesting but i feel obligated to ask until i do
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Post Post #688 (isolation #80) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:17 pm

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In post 687, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 686, petapan wrote:sirius did you ever get an answer from iv on why he's reading me as town

i suddenly realize whatever answer i get probably won't be that interesting but i feel obligated to ask until i do
our timezones are different
i'm aware but please ask for an answer? i'm not the only one who has inquired about this read
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Post Post #690 (isolation #81) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:23 pm

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sirius you are not currently voting anyone, do you have any scumreads? do your teammates have any scumreads
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Post Post #692 (isolation #82) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:59 pm

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why
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Post Post #695 (isolation #83) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:34 am

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In post 693, xRECKONERx wrote:what the fuck happened in here while i was away

too late too sleepy will catch up tomorrow, looks spicy
its not that spicy its mostly me and bulge yelling at each other

also beeboy gone so you dont gotta vote him anymore
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Post Post #700 (isolation #84) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:37 pm

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In post 698, The Bulge wrote:your insistence on using meta for so many people this game, yourself included, but not mentioning my meta at all and instead speaking in vague general terms is continuing to weird me out.
what is "so many" people, afaik i only referenced it with regard to beeboy and (kind of) datisi, both of whom tend to be divergent in their play, otherwise i don't really reach back to look for that stuff unless i'm desperate, this is a severe exaggeration. i don't know why you'd act like i should have any sort of meta read on you?
In post 698, The Bulge wrote:how long do you actually think it took me? what was your point in saying that? what is your basis? what does coming for my timing accomplish except to discredit me?
longer than it should have, the fact that you kept hinting toward it where i'd expect town to just out with it, if i wanted to discredit you i'd point to the content of your case (it's bad), not your timing like what the hell is this


but i don't want to belabor this point, i just think it's a bad, stretchy case that focuses on minutiae of someone's posting rather than analyzing actual content, your other posts say basically nada, you are scum
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Post Post #733 (isolation #85) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:14 am

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In post 730, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 209, petapan wrote:bulge townie


adorable in you said the vote wasn't based on anything, but in you said it was because of how augustus gave a fast town read. that's what people are getting on your case about. can you address this?
If you expanded on this later just point me to the post but at the time of this post what pinged town for you coming from bulge?

I don't disagree with the read.
i walked that read back a significant amount of time ago; in the moment his questioning seemed all right but in hindsight didn't do much
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Post Post #746 (isolation #86) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:22 pm

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In post 744, Sirius9121 wrote:
Disclaimer: All quotes were reparaphrased, recoloured and condensed. This is not a direct quote.



- reaction testing Sirius -> reasonable , something I would do because they are a very reaction-y player
- self-meta response seemed genuine and the last point seemed unnecessary to include as scum
- seems like the kind of "pinning down a weird-looking thought process to get a townread" that I would do as town. mindmelded a bit with 220 wrt Adorable.
- makes a lot of sense
- noting this down. could be slightly +scum in a vacuum bc it's less effort to not include teammates fake takes but moreso just want to see where he goes with this in the future.
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/ - feels like beeboy frustration/scum suspicion is real
- genuinely trying to sort a slot like Sirius who functionally at that point was had no more content than beeboy, you could say something similar about reck
//// - the insistence on getting the townread from me feels real, although probably well within peta's scumrange to ask this

i don't TR peta strongly but overall im getting a vibe of proactive insistent questioning, critical thinking, and actual original content. the peta I played with in 2180 had a lot of natural-looking processes which made me lol!townbin them but a lot of it was very reactionary and postury, which is a stark contrast in approach to this game. granted he is obviously a good scum player so it's clear nothing he's done is individually out of his scumrange.
okay, thank you sirius, that all makes sense
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Post Post #755 (isolation #87) » Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:58 pm

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i'm cool with moving back to RCE, catchup is meh, unenviable to replace into the position he's in but i'm not reading it as townie, time is running down so we should be running someone up for a claim

VOTE: RCEnigma
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Post Post #779 (isolation #88) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:44 am

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@RCE:
realize you're focusing on short ISOs but would appreciat it if you'd make some attempt to read the people who are voting you
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Post Post #783 (isolation #89) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:07 am

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UNVOTE:

idk about my read but dont need to keep him at E-1 while he's putting in work
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Post Post #786 (isolation #90) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:14 am

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In post 758, xRECKONERx wrote:started new job today, energy tanks low, coming in to say i find RCE's catchup supremely whelming which doesn't give me a good reason to move my vote since if i did, it'd be to ari, not someone many people have shown interest in
even though i said something similar with my vote, this post was pingy to me
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Post Post #789 (isolation #91) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:37 am

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In post 787, xRECKONERx wrote:what's pingy to you about it exactly, what does that even mean
the tossed off "just gonna stick with my vote" reasoning, feels like you are committed to a vote there no matter what rather than making a real evaluation when your original vote was simply for beeboy not playing; i'd expect given your commentary on the slot you'd have wanted to see them play before forming an opinion
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Post Post #791 (isolation #92) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:45 am

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i put him there for pressure then took it off when he seemed unfazed and kept doing his thing

have a bad habit to go long post=town even though i know its not true
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Post Post #794 (isolation #93) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:54 am

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In post 793, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 781, Adorable wrote:I'm not able to tell if you're all caught up or not and I see you said Datisi/Reck are more likely scum not by much. I was scum reading Datisi and Reck earlier and I later on started to think they are town and I have them on my town read. Since you said you bet there is multiple scum on your wagon who are you suspecting are the multiple scum on your wagon?
When I'm read up I'll have a better idea but as far as I know the rest of the votes are sheeping peta on his meta-check.

I don't know beeboy or his meta but I know peta is off base here. Beeboy just might not have had time for mafia.
hectic and ydrasse were, adorable and reck were just because he wasn't posting, dv is because he didn't like your posts
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Post Post #798 (isolation #94) » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:02 pm

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In post 796, DeasVail wrote:I am only going to be peripherally available for the next few hours but my decision to vote RCE and comfort with eliminating him was based on believing his posts upon replace-in to be much more indicative of scum than of town, particularly the topics that RCE was deciding to focus on felt much more like scum trying to create content than actually forming an understanding of the gamestate and developing reads (e.g. fixation on my push of Adorable). This is something that I’ll be able to go more in-depth on later when I have the time and am at my computer. And I’ll also be considering any posts RCE has made in the meantime and sharing my thoughts on them.
fwiw hercule agrees with your assessment altho his opinion was just that he thought you were townie in the first 7 pages
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Post Post #830 (isolation #95) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:47 am

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In post 829, xofelf wrote:RCE's entrance is actually really decent one. It sucks that he's replacing into a slot that is just so empty, and a game that is so lethargic. But also, guys, we have 3 days and there is a single wagon, the fuck are we doing? We all need to step it up.
not sure what the point of saying this is when you had 8 posts and haven't voted anyone
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Post Post #832 (isolation #96) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:58 am

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i guess the mod missed it, so that point doesn't hold, but it was quite a long time ago (having your votes on a separate line probably helps)

still, it feels like a statement someone who is trying to look town makes
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Post Post #841 (isolation #97) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:50 am

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In post 835, Datisi wrote:hey?? did you know?? i hate this game???? you probably did.
why is everyone writing these scummy lines all of a sudden
In post 835, Datisi wrote:peta, reck, both of you unvoted rce but are still suspecting him. i think it's about time to either vote him or find a new wagon.
i'm still roughly ~fine with the vote but have been waiting and on...something, i guess, since people kept promising to provide input later but not doing it.

also was maybe hoping to hear from my teammates but it's been radio silence lol
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Post Post #842 (isolation #98) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:51 am

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In post 835, Datisi wrote:creature, sell me on deas?
last i saw you were still leaning town on deasvail so what's up with this
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Post Post #860 (isolation #99) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:12 am

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classic dgb tbh

was looking to see if datisi performatively complains about the game more often as scum but it seems to be neutral behavior and am still okay with his play overall i think
In post 844, xRECKONERx wrote:peta is the one who is still "fine" with a RCE yeet despite like pushing me a bit to get off the wagon which feels hypocritical.
i was mainly questioning your conviction toward the vote since you obviously weren't on board with my thinking in the first place but seemed confident enough to stay on anyway
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Post Post #879 (isolation #100) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:51 am

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those words are not ones i would ascribe at all to a post that stakes a very clear concrete position and makes arguments for it
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Post Post #887 (isolation #101) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:43 pm

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In post 885, DeasVail wrote:Also creature is probably town, especially if RCE is scum
i lean that way based on his responses to you (an just overall) but as a rule i never townclear anyone who hard defends scum


RCE's one post today was . i think DV makes good points. team has not gone against the read so i'm just going to stick with it


VOTE: RCEnigma

time's a-wastin'. let's get a claim.
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Post Post #890 (isolation #102) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:55 am

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despite my teammates having nothing to do i am getting no help on this game and it was frustrating (now i know how it feels to hydra with me), but then i tried to reread people myself and comment on things and now i completely realize why they won't, because i can get
nothing
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i think DV is town and lean town on datisi but don't want to bother explaining, and that's all i have
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Post Post #899 (isolation #103) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:26 am

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hey man we're at 2 days to deadline we need a claim
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Post Post #902 (isolation #104) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:32 am

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UNVOTE:

ok 0 reason to ever vote out that role

smells of buying time but is 100% provable so he gets a chance to prove it

have thoughts on where i want to go but need time to compose them
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Post Post #905 (isolation #105) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:37 am

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that's a really dumb thought by me actually, what good does buying 1 night by fakeclaiming vig get you if you just get outed the next day anyway lol

i have setup related thoughts that i'd been meaning to get to as well but was waiting until after a claim
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Post Post #910 (isolation #106) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:10 am

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okay, was keeping this read somewhere in the back pocket but i hashed this one out with the hivemind a little bit earlier today so i'm more comfortable outing it

the feeling is that summer nights came into the game eagerly fluffing and RPing with hectic to, like, find footing but just hasn't done much after. she has outed a few townreads but they feel very shallow in their reasoning and static in their movement, i don't get a sense they're being updated and re-evaluated as the thread moves as much. she's lacking in any insight. like saying she could "go for are" because he hasn't "done too much" is not good reasoning, but also a little soft, tentative, like it's reaching out to explore whether it's an acceptable push. also, the paranoia toward datisi in just feels fake, it doesn't feel truly as much like she's really fearful of being fooled by datisi again as much as she's
acting
paranoid of him to seem town and maybe pocket him a little bit. i don't know hw to explain that in the sense that she talks about being afraid of him in a fairly over the top way but doesn't really question him or critically examine what he's saying.

there's also the thing where she makes gestures toward generating content from beeboy's replacement in and but she has not really engaged with RCE at all (and has instead fallen into prod range)

i held back in the feeling she mught just be starting slow and she'd be more readable as the game went on but given the claim i want to vote here

VOTE: summer nights
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Post Post #957 (isolation #107) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:36 pm

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so i wanted to say, having recently participated in two mini normals that the current setup design meta of normal games trends towards setups that are quite townsided, however, both those games were won by scum, in part because town made faulty assumptions about setup balance due to lack of knowledge and made unoptimal plays. i don't know how often people here play normals but i think it's worth laying out these expectations so people know what to do and can hopefully avoid the pitfalls others have fallen into.

basically, in any normal game, you're looking at least 4, but typically5 town PRs, guaranteed. now, for team mafia, the expectation is that every town player having 3 other people who can read the game with them tilts things townsided, and so town power is weakened to compensate. last year's TM mini normal had 4 town PRs, none of which were especially strong. this is somewhat complicated by what we know about this year's setup: the mafia have both multitaskin and knowledge of every PR in the setup, both of which are incredibly powerful. i think on that basis alone i'd guess 5 town PRs, 4 only if all of the town roles are fairly strong. this is info worth keeping in mind, because i think in general towns should be mass claiming day 2 or 3 and trying to narrow things down from there. if there's only 5 pr claims we should be eliminatingin VT claims and letting kills and potential night actions resolve most of the PRs. in general, don't get stupid and yeet PRs based on bad setup spec arguments. this is going to be tricky this game because, like i mentioned, scum are informed and can therefore craft the best sounding fakeclaim possible that doesn't conflict with other roles, but i think that's why it's good to have things outed early. any fakeclaim has to explain things further down the line.


RCE's roleclaim is a fairly weak one, but it's also one that becomes confirmed town if he gets a shot off alongside the mafia kill. that's why i'm not particularly gung ho about voting it out. i fully admit the point datisi makes about the way he acted about being run up is a bit incongruous with the claim is a good one, but i'm not so tunneled that i want to take a mechanically unoptimal play. ultimately, if he is scum, he can't produce an extra kill, will either have to shoot in the poe and claim another town role stopped the mafia kill (possible with informed) or claim he was blocked, and either way is going to be suspect tomorrow anyway and we can just vote him then. but the upshot if he is town is either scum waste their shot on him rather than someone else, or we get a clear town, and i am okay with those outcomes
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Post Post #958 (isolation #108) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:38 pm

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i had that typed up a long time back, didn't post, hectic being gung ho about killing him makes me hesitate, kinda wanna go big balls

setup spec thoughts are still true regardless of how we play day 1 but on a miss i think claims should be held off til day 3

i'll run RCE's claim by the hivemind altho they obv have no idea about setup balance
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Post Post #959 (isolation #109) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:40 pm

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In post 932, Creature wrote:tbh I kinda had Summer Nights as scum, but I'm kinda iffy considering she is the counterwagon to a very scummy claim.
the 'counterwagon' is being pushed by two of the peole who were voting RCE, though, so what do you make of that?
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Post Post #961 (isolation #110) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:24 pm

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lol
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Post Post #972 (isolation #111) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:44 pm

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In post 962, xRECKONERx wrote:i really don't know how to think ab balance in this setup since scum know the full setup or whatever.

but...n1 vig seems like a VERY wild claim to fake bc it's very easily disproven and if there aren't two kills tomorrow then byebye RCE?

im wrinkling my brain trying to figure out if scum would ever claim n1 vig and i guess im at "if there's a real n1 vig in the game and scum are trying to bait out a 1v1" or something but even in that case the real n1 vig would just VIG THE FAKECLAIM so i am fine letting RCE prove it.


summer's reaction to getting wagoned is not good so i am fine here

VOTE: Summer
kinda weird to be following my wagon if you still suspect me?
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Post Post #975 (isolation #112) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:48 pm

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In post 973, The Bulge wrote:
In post 969, Datisi wrote:
In post 964, The Bulge wrote:also @peta/datisi, ive seen your most recent responses to me. looking over my iso this game there's a lot I don't feel good about anymore but idk
i'm not sure what this means.
I looked and thought to respond earlier this afternoon, but I wasnt feeling good about my push or just where my head was at in retrospect, so couldnt really say much that I really felt. I'm not gonna just leave them hanging but once I'm better re-established here I'll try to put a nice little ribbon on them for you.
i want to give you a headpat for this post
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Post Post #977 (isolation #113) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:53 pm

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something like that



fwiw the hivemind leans on the claim being fake
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Post Post #989 (isolation #114) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:15 pm

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In post 978, Creature wrote:
In post 977, petapan wrote:fwiw the hivemind leans on the claim being fake
The hivemind being exactly only Hectic, Datisi (previously) and me
i am referring to my teammates
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Post Post #995 (isolation #115) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:20 pm

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i do think this moment has been more useful than 90% of the day in terms of drawing out AI content

staypositivefriend has weighed in on summer at my request and thinks she's town. i respect her a lot, i'm not a very analytical thinker and i like to lean on players who are, so i'm switching back

VOTE: RCEnigma
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #116) » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:33 am

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to be perfectly honest despite me haranguing him to get iv to explain his read, i don't put a ton of weight on hearing from other people's teammates as that thing is easy to fake, i got asked to do that stuff in the large normal (checked to see if this is allowed within the rules and it is)

like if someone gets guidance from their teammates that is helpful, good for them but to me it's noise, i won't form a read off secondhand analysis
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #117) » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:34 am

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In post 1057, xofelf wrote:Ceph said that if it were him he'd yeet RCE, so sure. I don't know much about balance, but a N1 vig claim doesn't sit right with me, too convenient. And I really want some sort of concrete information, so:

VOTE: RCE
if he actually is town this post gets the heavy side-eye
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Post Post #2959 (isolation #118) » Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:05 pm

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deasvail you're the best
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Post Post #2968 (isolation #119) » Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:00 am

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In post 2961, DeasVail wrote:It took us a while to get there and I had my fair share of bad reads, but I just wanted to give massive credit to Adorable and Aristophanes in particular for coming together to eliminate Reck in the end. Being able to have that trust in each other in the end and identify each other as town was beautiful and a moment that really reminded me of why I used to love playing mafia.

Also Petapan you were excellent Day 1 and were killed by scum with good reason! The game probably would have played a lot differently (and better for town!) if you were still alive.
ahh, you're too kind, i was getting there but wish i'd made a few things more explicit, like that i'd stopped scumreading bulge, and suspecting reck instead of just vaguely shading him
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Post Post #2971 (isolation #120) » Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:43 am

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In post 2970, Hectic wrote:petapan - GET PSYCHED (was that intentional bait to get nightkilled just in case there was a psychologist?)
i would never

no, i was just legitimately hyped up for team mafia and the ol' wolfenstein quote popped in my head, was the wackiest coincidence of all time that it could be interpreted as a crumb
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