In post 1415, Imperium wrote:Notsci,
I truly do love you to death - always have, always will. But while there are reads that I'm willing to trust others on and there are reads I'm willing to back off and let slide, this isn't and will never be one of them and you're not going to get me there just on trust. It's hard to read my level of confidence because I often push hard. Pushing hard on things is how you get them to happen. But this is a read that I am completely confident of and none of the half-baked theories on why she could possibly be scum moves me one millimeter. You think I'm wrong because I was wrong on Cakez D1 in Xenoblade. That's fine. Xenoblade was a fucked game for me because I basically only had the night phase to catch up on the game and then I had to scream whatever thoughts I had with complete confidence in order to be heard - I was out of my element. I was not confident in Cakez being town - I didn't have time to process a complete read there, I just wanted time to get my claws in the game after being on hiatus for 6 months. This is a different situation here. I was wrong on Spiffeh, but the confidence that I felt there isn't anything like the confidence I feel here because the way that noraaa is playing this game and has played in general isn't the way that scum play. My grasp of this game is much better than my grasp on Xenoblade because the gamestate isn't manic chaos 24/7. I am sorry that your confidence will have to take a hit here when noraaa flips town but I'm not sorry to teach respect for my townreads all over again since apparently people think I've forgotten to play the game because I made bad reads in Xenoblade.
Her town playstyle here is ABSOLUTELY suicidal. She has a wildly capable scumgame, as evidenced by games like Death Curse. Part of having a wildly capable scumgame is the ability to know what makes you townread and what makes you scumread. In Xenoblade she got caught out partially due to Cabd fear and partially due to being caught in a terrible place vis a vis the Cakez wagon, but even in an off scumgame you see she's discrediting (selective in who she OMGUSes so that she doesn't piss off everyone), you see her pushing at a variety of counterwagons to try to find a soft spot. Here she spent most of her time chewing you out in an extraordinarily one-note strategy and OMGUSing p a vast majority of the people who threw suspicion her way, earning her an ass fuck ton of enemies along the way.
Think of all the times that people told Noraaa to elaborate on her scumread of you, or anyone. Think of all the times Ffery told her to back off you and reconsider and in response she doubled down, called you a couple more names, and just kept stubbornly pushing. If you're scum trying to self-pres, is this how you approach the game? No. It's the Flavor Leaf principle - if you want to strangle him because he's being *just* *that* *fucking* *obnoxious*, he's probably town.
Think of her interactions with Cabd and unwnd. There's this:
In post 1316, upside down sinkhole wrote: In post 1311, Dandelion Wine wrote:I also want to compliment Noraa and state that I think her scum range is evolving in a similar growth pattern as mine did back in 2014.
Very disappointed in you, Cabd.
UNVOTE: Noraa
Why not? my collection of day 1 mislims definitely isn't big enough.
You made the Sakura Hana comparison? This is what a town implosion looks like to the T. This is a fucking solid interaction with someone who literally just got dunking her into the next realm in Xenoblade.
There's this.
She's not being extremely showy about being mad @ cabd (aka trying to pocket him with an emotional response), but she's just icing him out in a pout-y sort of way. I saw her try to shake him off in Xenoblade. I read her progression in death curse. Players don't add this much range to their scumgame so fucking quickly - it's impossible.
Let's look at unwnd interactions.
In post 735, upside down sinkhole wrote:
Its strange and making me worried that unwnd is scum. The problem is too many people think im scum that I expect better reads from so I'll just take the L cuz apparently im playing super scummy.
Again, Noraa isn't showboating, isn't making a huge fucking deal about all of this.
It's a quiet, defeated, disappointment. It's suicidal. It's town.
In post 1336, upside down sinkhole wrote:I did find it weird that unwnd of all players thought I was scum here.
Unwnd had an amazing read on me in our last two games and here its just .... so far off.
After Cake's game, I had loads of respect for his play and so I expected a correct read. There was none but I couldn't really say much at the time without seeming like an OMGUSfuck so here I am voicing this opinion rn.
Notsci could be town as his reads always come off as insanely dumb when he's town too. I just hate his tunneling that is nothing based and absolutely crap.
Besides that not a single post of his pings even remotely town and Bulge avoiding thread is not a good look.
I don't have a case on scum!Notsci but I wouldn't bat an eye even if we yeet a Vig RBer Cop hybrid.
That's the level to which I don't care for Notsci's play.
This post is double because 1) you're the only person she pushed in a significant way the whole game and now she's shrugging and saying that you could be town but fuck you anyways.
But, again, she's not scum simply because her play doesn't make any fucking sense at all if scum. She's pouring a decent amount of effort into the game, but is any of it going towards her own survival? Not really, unless you think Noraa's forgotten everything she learned about playing scum from her other scumgames and have now decided to do her best to make as many enemies as possible for shits and giggles. Not really, unless Noraa solved how to deal with Cabd in literally one game.
So tl;dr, and I say this with all the love in the world so don't interpret this the wrong way, but if you hold one ounce of respect for my game like you say you do, back off. She's fucking town.
I am the Leader of Tenet.
And I am not wrong here.
