TENET - Algorithm Assembled

[skitter30]

Thanks cakez. Game and mechanics were cool, and i appreciate the effort you put into it. You were a great mod

This was, however, probably one of the single least enjoyable game i've ever played, and while i have a lot of thoughts i'm not sure how much i want to rehash all of this

Lld i found your behavior day3 to be over the line, even tho u were scum

Wine club: will be avoiding games that have more than one of you in it. Your dynamic is toxic, anti-town, and perhaps most importantly, unfun to be around

Bork ur cool tho

[skitter30]

Jesus. GG scum

@Skitter: You told me so, and sorry for not being a better listener! I will try to be better in the future.

You're cool. I have significant issues with how ffery approached this tho, and your hydra as a whole could and should have been significantly more transparent

[skitter30]

This was, however, probably one of the single least enjoyable game i've ever played

I wish I could have repped in sooner :/

You're cool :)

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Skitter you got the short end of the stick here. I hope to see you in more of my games because you are a very pleasant person :)

:)

[skitter30]

Skitter sorry for scumreading you D1 but I came around to it and realized it was nonsense eventually

Nah it's fine.

[skitter30]

The hoods were misused by town horribly, even worse than i thought since dunn was town

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I will just say that i am still, a full week later, irrationally pissed off every time i think abt this game

And i'll probably leave it there

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I mean Day 3 stuff was not game related in the slightest or intended to be, I was literally just hurt by what Peta said so.

IDK. I think all of it crossed a line. I was so frustrated with the way people were treating me, so. Not an excuse, just is how it was.

Ok.
I will be avoiding u in the future tho
There were other people and other contributing factors involved, sure, but you basically also made it so unpleasant that people just chose to give you their votes to make it end faster

That's where the line was crossed for me

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And peta just gave up because you made it so frustrating and unpleasant to continue interacting with you

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I think one of the key problems here is that town kept things deliberately hidden in hoods. The key information that was needed was artificially hidden for like no reason and obvs cabd was helping it along but like there was utterly no reason for most of that to be secret in the first place, esp since scum had all of it already

[skitter30]

I think one of the key problems here is that town kept things deliberately hidden in hoods. The key information that was needed was artificially hidden for like no reason and obvs cabd was helping it along but like there was utterly no reason for most of that to be secret in the first place, esp since scum had all of it already

i should've outed that dandelion's hood crash thing was a pt spy on d2. i kinda downplayed it in my hgead because of how they acted in purple n1.

Yes. It's literally the quintessential scum role in a game with the purple room, and knowing that key bit of info reframes literally everything that came out of there (i.e. the worlds where fferybork and nachotammy invite cabdceph has very, very, very different implications from the worlds where cabdceph gatecrashes)

You guys (i.e. your hydra) treated everything that came out of there as the word of god and supported it till the very end. Ffery, during several key parts of the game, would not even engage with things that ran counter to whatever she heard there. Like not as a one time thing, i can point to several different instances of her just ignoring things she didnt want to engage with or hear cuz cabd told her otherwise.

This has also been said multiple times but solving in a hood doesnt help people who arent in the hood read you. Your slot wasnt solving in thread for large swaths of the game, and it made it very, very frustrating to figure out what you were even thinking and why. You also covered up for cabd not doing anything by excusing it all as being in the hood.

Also the spiffeh/sb9 thing. Was fucky as anything.

And the sheer amt of flak i got for having the audacity to point these things out was not fun

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Also acting like some of these things should have been obvious when you were comminicating them is like ...

[skitter30]

I think one of the key problems here is that town kept things deliberately hidden in hoods. The key information that was needed was artificially hidden for like no reason and obvs cabd was helping it along but like there was utterly no reason for most of that to be secret in the first place, esp since scum had all of it already

To be clear, I pushed you because I was starting to believe Bell town and still thought you couldn't both be town, and also because LLD was claiming a result in the other thread.

To be even more clear, the actual decision to eliminate you was made when you were turnstiled to our thread, not what happened afterwards

Fair enuf. Now that i know ur town i think u were just pocketed super super super bad + using not great setup spec to inform decisions

[skitter30]

I am actually sorry for letting alot of people down but i just stopped caring about this game.
Sorry to skitter, sorry to petapan.

<3

[skitter30]

skitter when we next play again in a year and a half or whenever you should know that when I say "if skitter's townreading me she's probably scum" I'll now be referring to this game :P

I know you got there in the end kinda but, damn grrrl

:)
It would have been easier if i had known who the main was lol

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Also acting like some of these things should have been obvious when you were comminicating them is like ...

yeah. i'm not proud of it and will adjust my approach and attitude next time.

I think u were kinda starting to realize the issue with your approach towards the end of day3 and i appreciate that u did make a good faith effort to try to listen to me tho

[skitter30]

Also, skitter I enjoyed playing with you across the aisle. Wish you had started out in our thread.

:)

[skitter30]

Bell u were cool :)

[skitter30]

ohh final post on this game the setup was brilliantly designed Cakez def deserves a modding award for creativity.
i don't know about balance but i thought it was very innovative.

Upvote

[skitter30]

Cabd also just wanna say u did what u set out to do masterfully
Was super frustrating being on this side watching it play out, but u did good

[skitter30]

Eh people forget faster than u think

I pulled off basically what u did on a mason once and actively tried to make it happen i think three separate times later (the pieces didnt quite gel to make it happen) but nobody called me out on it, despite overlap in pls

Hoods are great for scum, kinda not so great for town. The pocket potential is a real and present danger

Takes a stupid amt of effort and energy keeping it going tho, it gets very exhausting

I might try reverting to ye old wallposting style too

[skitter30]

Im also kinda amazed u didnt slip anywhere, u were keeping a lot of balls in the air

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I used to be a wallposter lol

I kinda want to make a conscious effort to revert to that sometimes

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Honestly dont remember them

Thw thing is that in a game like this ur not gonna get heard as a wallposter. Nobody's gonna read it or retain it

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I think part or what i was having trouble with is that u were slipping a lot of extra knowledge in inverted that i couldnt see the source of.

At some point i kinda assumed u had all knowledge from all hoods but i couldnt track how u got it (i.e. illicitly or not) or how the knowledge was passing from one hood to the other. But that went for purple room nights 2 and 3 and also dunn's hood. Like from my pov there was no way to differentiate cuz i couldnt track how you *should* have been able ro get that knowledge compared to what you actually seemed to know

I thought a couple of times of trying to figure out if u actually were supposed to know everything u did, but i didnt have enuf information to answer the question so it ended up being a wash for me

Knowing there wasnt a strongman i agree that watcher + ic + doc seems hard

Well have to agree to disagree on hoods ig

[skitter30]

I think days1 and 2 were kinda wash but learning that cabd gatecrashed was the key bit that sort of reframed everything properly for me; i think at that point onwards i was p on point
(Except for dunn. Ngl most of that was thinking he used his role to ger fferybork and cabd together in the same pt again ... it didnt even occur to me that *he*
was pocketed too, just thought he was scum)

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Of course by that point it was waaaaaaaay too late

Also q: did u guys have ur roles yet when u chose which thread u were in?

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Not sure i would have gotten pooky but upon the gypyx hammer i was at like: cabd, lld, dunn, spiffeh, gypyx, probably a50

With fferybork being pocketed

I love it when things start making sense again, but t'was too late at that point

[skitter30]

We had our roles before we determined placement yes.

Putting spiffeh in forwards was to make his motivation to invert seem more genuine.

Ceph slipped that at some point
He had an argument presupposing that as an assumption when i was p confident that wasnt known

Worked for spiffeh too, townread him off of it for a long while till i realized that was like all he was doing

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That's why townblocks are bad news especially if scum invades that space

Confbiasing a group of people and just oging 'ok so I never have to sort this' only works maybe 60% of the time?

Indeed

Pedit i was lol. Everythibg was screaming that there was scum in the townblock

Cabd mitigated the 'why isnt he dead yet' enuf by 'misplaying' and 'underplaying'. The question honestly wasnt why cabd but why wasnt fferybork

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I mean I can't speak for everyone. But for me townblocks aren't a "never sort" they're a "leave off the table for today and MAYBE tomorrow" kind of thing.

They should never persist past night two in a large and are onlyy valid day one of a mini.

[skitter30]

T'was super hard to countermand the emotional manipulation in the hood from way over here, t'was very effective

Pedit ya it was lost i think with the titus/ss flip. I didnt realize till day3 but like i knew it was a wash at aome point

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Also i knew the 'clear scum from one thread' was always bs but didnt realize how fucking hard it would screw over the thread that received them. I think hp was the first person to realize that and it was waaaaaaaaay too late at that point

[skitter30]

Cabd had the playbook

I had the entire setup and where I thought the trajectory of each player would end up and it was about 80% accurate. Twelve hours into day one.

Upvote

[skitter30]

Cabd u play really similarly to me
Or me to u ig cuz u were around first

But i just really want to convey i think u played this super super super well
(No matter how salty i may be)

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It was day 2. Mechanically it was fine. The problem was you'd worn ns down too far and dunn was getting worked by cabd for me to get our timeline to agree. In addition to you ignoring my push and continuing to actively call me scum despite me and sb9 trying to correct the mech of the setup......

I definitely contributed to the mess

[skitter30]

Cabd had the playbook

I had the entire setup and where I thought the trajectory of each player would end up and it was about 80% accurate. Twelve hours into day one.

This is the way to go if u can

[skitter30]

That one was mb

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At that point it didnt matter, they just needed the day to end and a grand total of one town vote on any of 6 other town to win

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I'm p sure i've *only* ever crumbed as scum

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I thing that it was fairly apparent to most people that if someone was trying to turnstile early game they had a pr tho

I'm not sure how easy/possible it would have been to get turnstiled without telegraphing that

People without a pr didnt have much of an incentive to turnstile. people with a pr did