Get better at scumhunting thenIn post 819, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I’m asking more how I can better see though pockets on me rather than how to avoid them.In post 810, Ramcius wrote:Paranoia, big amount of paranoia, see everyone as a scum and then no one would pocket youIn post 671, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I need a course in how to make myself pocket proof.In post 664, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Zoraster
Rather here than Pine, if based strictly on familiarity. Their line about me swayed me too, let's be honest, that's how you pocket me. Flattery will get you everywhere.
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Did you actually read my scumgame in here? I pretty much bussed all my team with 100% confidence As for that game, I replaced in mid D1, my predecessor said some bad stuff and bailed, so I was in fire from get go, my scumbuddy, who was hard townread by everyone told me to stop talking and let him sort it out, but I was like, "nah, I got it"In post 822, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I like this post but I find that interesting. I have yet to be scum in TM but I definitely think I’d be relying on my teammates’ help a lot more than when I’m town. Yes as town I seek reads but as scum, I’d really need the feedback on how I’m coming across etc. where as town, that thought never even enters my head.In post 814, Ramcius wrote:
What's wrong with my last post? I'd really liked, if TSQ pushed my wagon, it helped me to read him better from the actual push and him forcing people to take stances on my slot would helped to read other people, but seems he chose top let it go, which isn't bad either, so I can put my mind to other things and not worry about him breathing on my neckIn post 707, Mistyx wrote:not hammering zor
fine parked on TGP
it's like 11 pm and i've cried more tonight than in the past like, month? but i dont think its anything to worry about and going into any more detail would probably be oversharing, so like, perfect mood for mafia
still would also wagon ramicus, didn't like his last post, and also "my teammate said that you are relying too much on your teammates" is a pretty good meme
i'm tired.
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That’s not really helpful. I’m much better at seeing through scummy pushes than pockets but that doesn’t happen to me very frequently these days unless I’ve somehow managed to make myself a target.In post 825, Ramcius wrote:
Get better at scumhunting thenIn post 819, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I’m asking more how I can better see though pockets on me rather than how to avoid them.In post 810, Ramcius wrote:
Paranoia, big amount of paranoia, see everyone as a scum and then no one would pocket youIn post 671, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I need a course in how to make myself pocket proof.In post 664, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Zoraster
Rather here than Pine, if based strictly on familiarity. Their line about me swayed me too, let's be honest, that's how you pocket me. Flattery will get you everywhere.
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Interesting. I'm indifferent of this being the go to compromise wagon.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly- Thestatusquo
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this post is town as fuck.In post 802, Pine wrote:A) I apologize for the aspersions on your psychology. I do not understand much of what you do or why you do it, and it is easy and cheap to slap a derogatory label on it rather than try to solve it. That’s not fair or kind and I will refrain.
B) That said, your insistence that others are able to have instant and reliable meta tells on you is absolute horseshit. It always has been and continues to be. Your ongoing inability to understand why people suspect you in a game revolving around deception represents a stunning lack of self-awareness that I’d hoped you’d outgrown
C) You are wildly overestimating most teams’ attention to their teammates’ games.
D) And also their willingness to dictate their teammates’ reads
E) And further the willingness of most players to take their teammates reads as gospel
F) These flaws in your understanding of how other people process reads you believe to be obvious contributes heavily to the aforementioned self-awareness issue
G) All that said, it also contributes to my Townread of you. Given the stakes of this game, I am willing to shelve my frustration and work with you until either you are killed to reduce free chaos in the playerset or I am killed as a threat.
H) The quoting issue was in regards to the time we have until deadline, nothing to do with TGP, whom I haven’t managed to sort yet.
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At the risk of igniting something that is safely dormant, if this is how you play all the time I think a lot of your problem is you hard town read people for playstyle which makes you predisposed to getting pocketed when people play against whatever meta you think you have for them, which almost everyone is capable of doing and DOES do. So that might be what ramcius is getting at here. There's no One True Trick That ScumSlots Don't Want You To Know for reading most people and you seem to think there is and I think these issues are probably related.In post 827, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
That’s not really helpful. I’m much better at seeing through scummy pushes than pockets but that doesn’t happen to me very frequently these days unless I’ve somehow managed to make myself a target.In post 825, Ramcius wrote:
Get better at scumhunting thenIn post 819, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I’m asking more how I can better see though pockets on me rather than how to avoid them.In post 810, Ramcius wrote:
Paranoia, big amount of paranoia, see everyone as a scum and then no one would pocket youIn post 671, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I need a course in how to make myself pocket proof.In post 664, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Zoraster
Rather here than Pine, if based strictly on familiarity. Their line about me swayed me too, let's be honest, that's how you pocket me. Flattery will get you everywhere.
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My vote is just parked wherever rn Nancy, it has no meaning against you specifically.
If anyone knows me, they know I think it's best to just get D1 over with because the information from the flip and NK are critical to game solving.
Consider my vote a floater until someone is in hammer range.
VOTE: Ramcius
See? It's D1; it doesn't matter to me where this goes.
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I guess you did say possibly, but yeah, i don't think the full scum team is ever 100% outside of this.In post 813, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:So I think Norwee, FL, you, Ico, Misty, Molla and Shea (because of push on us as possible buddies) are possibly all town.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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What do you mean by emotional? All I can tell is that I hate rolling town and I enjoy playing scum, that's something I say all the time, so it's not something I'm just making up now, it's out there, people seen it, maybe you've seen too, we played quite a few timesIn post 836, BBmolla wrote:Does Ramcius get emotional as mafia?Tact is for liars and politicians.- TheGoldenParadox
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right so anyone who's played with scum me knows this isn't my scum meta and has no excuse for voting meIn post 745, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think there's a scum in Status, Norwegian, Nancy, TGP. I think I'm town reading Nancy the most of the 4 of them.- TheGoldenParadox
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i don't read people based on whether or not they mindmeld with me or not, i read them based on how they play and if i can understand their reads and read progressions regardless of whether i agree with them or notIn post 762, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Well, what’s kind’ve nuts to me is his stances. Norwee’s town but I’m lean scum despite pretty much having mindmelded with him for the entire game. I’m “lean scum” but Zor who I’m voting for is actual scum? How does any of that make sense?In post 723, Iconeum wrote:
that post pinged me as well, but i'm holding back because 'are scum really going to be lurking, and then coming in with hostility?' That's the fast track to being the Day 1.In post 585, TheGoldenParadox wrote:i was originally going to wait to see more from zor before placing a vote here, but this post is just so needless, hostile, and uncalled for (zor, you haven't done much with the game and aren't responding to any pushes on you, which is terribly scum indicative and i haven't seen a single? towny thing from ANY of your posts), so VOTE: zor this is reasonable here.- TheGoldenParadox
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Who is on your team? Only one on my team who is even following this game is Koba. More importantly, I should check who’s on TGP’s team and I’m not happy that he’s ignored my Noraa question. Why? Because Noraa I think should know I’m not scum here and I don’t really feel that TGP is really making any effort to sort me.In post 774, Iconeum wrote:my team doesn't scumread Zor, based on ISO and claimIn post 795, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
VOTE: TheGoldenParadoxIn post 792, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Yeah i think this is the best new place to push.
VOTE: TheGoldenParadox
If this weren’t TM, I might be more inclined to cut him some slack but not with 2 teammates that absolutely should know that this is my towngame. DEB too but he’s not making contradictory stances.In post 798, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Why is this “insane” and lack “self-awareness”? Certain people have meta on me and of the two slots who have expressed srs on me, they both have teammates who should know this is my town meta here.In post 796, Pine wrote:In post 780, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
UNVOTE:In post 775, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I don’t fully townread Zor, but with that claim they’ve put an target on their back so i’m willing to back off since they will hopefully get resolved at some point anyways.
How much time do we have left?
Yeah this is 100% Nancy!TownIn post 793, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Bolded = all of the teams playing in this game and based off if this, neither TGP nor DEB should be voting me here.1. Quick Attack: Alisae, chennisden, Mistyx, MURDERCAT
2. Class of 2175: Gypyx, innocentvillager, Iconeum, sirius9121
3. Mask Your Worries: JacksonVirgo, JohnnyFarrar, TheGoldenParadox, Noraa
4. Pa-Ni-Nis: xRECKONERx, thestatusquo, Cheetory6, AGar
5. Team 'Team 'Team' Team' Team: Hopkirk, Hectic, Flopz, Zaiden
6. Loyal Servants: Xtoxm, Auro, Pink Ball, Flavor Leaf
7. Whatever Farm Animal of War: Jingle, Dannflor, Pine, Aristophanes
8. Daylight Savings Time: lillith2013, something_smart, Datisi, the worst
9. The Four Seasons: Infinity 324, Ydrasse, Uncrowned, Kanna
10. Mana Crypt: MariaR, beeboy, Menalque Ampharos, unwnd
11. Onlyregfans: petapan, staypositivefriend, Super, hercule
12. Suicide Squad: PookyTheMagicalBear, DKKoba, OkaPoka, Nancy Drew 39
13. The Fakeclaim Processing Department: Ramcius, SirCakez, Creature, DrippingGoofball
14. All your Scummies belong to us: Albert B. Rampage, NorwegianboyEE, Firebringer, Morning Tweet clidd
15. Maybe the Real Mods...: xofelf, zoraster, PrivateI, Cephrir
16. Half a Good Team Plus Two: DeasVail, Ythan, BBmolla, Jake The Wolfie
17. Basterd Modding: Gamma Emerald, Dr Easy Bake, Almost50, The Bulge
18. Perfect Grammar: Dunnstral, Akarin, Adorable, midwaybear
It’s absolutely batshit insane and makes no damn sense, is indignant and abrasive, and is about as self-aware as a basset hound, but that’s what Nancy!Town looks like.
There is no way Johnny Farar, Noraaa, Gamma and A50 think I’m scum here.
Now Shea has also expressed some suspicion on me but I wouldn’t expect his teammates to know anything about how I play mafia, so it actually would be “batshit insane”, for me to make that argument about Shea.
Anyway, I very respectfully ask you not to disparage me that way. I’m sure you don’t have bad intentions but I’m not really cool with being referred to in those terms. Thank you.
alright so to respond to nancy's entire thing about how my teammates should be reading her better - unfortunately all of us have been far too busy to read but noraa said that in general, she's not good at reading you and can locktown you when you're not town so- Thestatusquo
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god I fucking hate these arguments so much. "This isn't my scum meta." Why does everyone go here as if these statements mean anything? Guess what, if you're aware of what your "scum meta" even is, which is dubious because meta playstyle is a hugely complicated and nebulous thing, then you can play against it. Saying "my meta is this" or "my meta as town is that" is just not a fucking argument and I've heard it all over the thread and is like this really just what mafia here is now a days? Just like 13 people in a room who have purposefully decided to play differently as town and scum so they can always be town read as town just sitting there being like "well ok, these three are playing to the scum meta they said they play so those are our scum." and then you have a little nip of whiskey to celebrate and go to bed?In post 839, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
right so anyone who's played with scum me knows this isn't my scum meta and has no excuse for voting meIn post 745, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think there's a scum in Status, Norwegian, Nancy, TGP. I think I'm town reading Nancy the most of the 4 of them.
Like jesus fucking christ stop it. This isn't how mafia works. Why do none of you know how mafia works?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner- TheGoldenParadox
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alright i understand this but the ease and speed at which people swung off of zor and onto my wagon isn't indicative of particular thought, more bandwagoning, and the people here who actually understand my meta and have played with scum!me should realize that i'm pretty town hereIn post 842, Thestatusquo wrote:
god I fucking hate these arguments so much. "This isn't my scum meta." Why does everyone go here as if these statements mean anything? Guess what, if you're aware of what your "scum meta" even is, which is dubious because meta playstyle is a hugely complicated and nebulous thing, then you can play against it. Saying "my meta is this" or "my meta as town is that" is just not a fucking argument and I've heard it all over the thread and is like this really just what mafia here is now a days? Just like 13 people in a room who have purposefully decided to play differently as town and scum so they can always be town read as town just sitting there being like "well ok, these three are playing to the scum meta they said they play so those are our scum." and then you have a little nip of whiskey to celebrate and go to bed?In post 839, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
right so anyone who's played with scum me knows this isn't my scum meta and has no excuse for voting meIn post 745, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think there's a scum in Status, Norwegian, Nancy, TGP. I think I'm town reading Nancy the most of the 4 of them.
Like jesus fucking christ stop it. This isn't how mafia works. Why do none of you know how mafia works?- Thestatusquo
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Like yeah maybe there are minor differences and tells but if your "town meta" and your "Scum meta" are so different that people who have played with you as scum before can immediately pick you out quite frankly you should be banned from playing mafia on the site.
So like, are you volunteering to be banned from playing mafia on the site or is that argument nonsense?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner- Flavor Leaf
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The only time I remember going up against scumYou is when I replaced in Night 1 and vig shot you.In post 839, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
right so anyone who's played with scum me knows this isn't my scum meta and has no excuse for voting meIn post 745, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think there's a scum in Status, Norwegian, Nancy, TGP. I think I'm town reading Nancy the most of the 4 of them.
I actually think there was one more, and I caught you as scum there too.
So my only memories of your play as scum is the 2 times I've correctly scum read you.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Like I've just about had it up to hear with all of this meta stuff. Meta is an important component of reads and its worthwhile to understand the nuanced differences in how people play scum and town but holy crap like half of you at least seem to think that meta is just like a sign you hold up that says "hey I am scum this game" in 1/3 of your games and like I don't know which is more concerning: whether people think thats actually how people play mafia or people ACTUALLY playing mafia that way.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner- Thestatusquo
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alright i understand this but the ease and speed at which people swung off of zor and onto my wagon isn't indicative of particular thought, more bandwagoning, and the people here who actually understand my meta and have played with scum!me should realize that i'm pretty town hereIn post 842, Thestatusquo wrote:
god I fucking hate these arguments so much. "This isn't my scum meta." Why does everyone go here as if these statements mean anything? Guess what, if you're aware of what your "scum meta" even is, which is dubious because meta playstyle is a hugely complicated and nebulous thing, then you can play against it. Saying "my meta is this" or "my meta as town is that" is just not a fucking argument and I've heard it all over the thread and is like this really just what mafia here is now a days? Just like 13 people in a room who have purposefully decided to play differently as town and scum so they can always be town read as town just sitting there being like "well ok, these three are playing to the scum meta they said they play so those are our scum." and then you have a little nip of whiskey to celebrate and go to bed?In post 839, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
right so anyone who's played with scum me knows this isn't my scum meta and has no excuse for voting meIn post 745, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think there's a scum in Status, Norwegian, Nancy, TGP. I think I'm town reading Nancy the most of the 4 of them.
Like jesus fucking christ stop it. This isn't how mafia works. Why do none of you know how mafia works?
There was a whole mini Pine wagon in between. I actually think we sat doing nothing for a good minute too.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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