TENET - Algorithm Assembled

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'm town and i don't know what to say

like literally i don't know what to say. my results said what they said. they continue to say what they say.

dunn being out here like lld's results don't match our claimed trackers and watchers

as if gunsmith is remotely functions the same way those roles do

and besides, i only work in inverse, and i track bullets back to people's guns. that's the whole gimmick of my role. i'm some lady who tracks inverse bullets flyign back into guns.

i'm ready to give up

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i am on the elim LLD team. Now just waiting in here for her to scream at everyone.

no screaming

my results said what they said. i pushed for what i thought was true

and i got fooled, somehow.

i don't know how i got a gun result on peta when he was innocent. i frankly don't much care

i'm good to vote myself and keep my word from yesterday

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not going to be upset if you're town but I don't think I can not vote you here

i mean

i'm not upset with losing to this either? i clearly definitely got out played.

cabd is def. scum who knew what was going on and leading me down the forest path, but

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i mean, idk? it's not like i got a big block of flavour, but i have a picture of a lady and a quote from the movie

[Lady Lambdadelta]

bruh

i'm not scum

like reluctantly vote me if you like but

don't sit here telling me this will win the game lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes lld is scum but that’s still no reason to rush this and there’s 0 reasons I’m seeing why you can’t be scum with her or why dunn can’t be

you wanna do dandelion with me then?

i guess that extends the game by one phase for town before you murder me, lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes lld is scum but that’s still no reason to rush this and there’s 0 reasons I’m seeing why you can’t be scum with her or why dunn can’t be

Dunn I don't really get what you're asking?

my results do not state the player specifically but mention my "target"

(trying to paraphrase)

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[Lady Lambdadelta]

this fuckin' mouse

sat on that shit

for this long

[Lady Lambdadelta]

wait what fucking role are you even spiffeh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

vanilla cop

lmfaoooooooooooooo

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yeah vanilla cop is a town claim

with a game with this much proven town power

ahahhahahahahhahhahahahaha

[Lady Lambdadelta]

dude i'm back in it

did spiffeh just hard throw

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i think spiffeh just realized how he fucked up

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not going to be upset if you're town but I don't think I can not vote you here

-.- are we not past this point in the game

I mean Dunn is calling me scum because apparently the way i receive results is not how trackers do

but spiffeh just claimed the same thing i did

so lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I believe they're saying your results had flavor when my (and I assume others') stuff had no flavor

my results don't have flavour, just my role pm?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

A50 scum, MWB scum, Annie scum, spiffeh gypyx firebringer all scum?

Firebringer town I think.

I have an inno result on him.

Then again my guilty on Peta was false positive so =/

[Lady Lambdadelta]

A50 scum, MWB scum, Annie scum, spiffeh gypyx firebringer all scum?

Firebringer town I think.

I have an inno result on him.

Then again my guilty on Peta was false positive so =/

Yes maybe scum has an inverter that they used on you? Fits flavor and if they have setup info certainly makes sense to me

... oh that's a thing i didn't consider?

and would make some kind of fucking sense oh gross

they probably have a rolecop and an inverter

so maybe they rc'd me n1 and inverted me n2?

would still make FB town, obviously but would explain Peta at least

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also anyone saying OmG dAnDeLiOn IsNt HaMmErEd YeT it's because scumlord A50 hasn't even checked in yet

And it's probably difficult to coordinate a hammer with six scum regardless

So stop peppering that in like it means anything

Anyone who uses this logic has not played enough games I think this shit happens all the time

Who do you want to vote today then?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

A50 scum, MWB scum, Annie scum, spiffeh gypyx firebringer all scum?

Firebringer town I think.

I have an inno result on him.

Then again my guilty on Peta was false positive so =/

if someone thinks this is town they should tell me exactly what scum role they think could have caused this interaction
-ceph

redirection can cause it

so can some kind of game specific inverter thing

lots of nonsense

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also anyone saying OmG dAnDeLiOn IsNt HaMmErEd YeT it's because scumlord A50 hasn't even checked in yet

And it's probably difficult to coordinate a hammer with six scum regardless

So stop peppering that in like it means anything

Anyone who uses this logic has not played enough games I think this shit happens all the time

Who do you want to vote today then?

I think we need to talk a lot more arent deadlines like 2 weeks

We have a metric assload of info that has not been fully understood yet that will help us get a better idea of things and we have been talking across threads at each other.

you're not wrong and that's a good answer but people seem blood hungy today

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So LLD what's your full role exactly? Not vanilla cop just inverted cop?

Inverted Gunsmith. I target a player and learn if they have a gun.

Cops have guns, so do scum so do a few other roles like vig but i doubt we have a vig

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm in RA training pretty much the whole day for this week so I can't keep up that well during the day. On my V/LA I got sunburned and got hell's itch then ODed on benadryl so I couldn't really function much less read. I'm in catchup mode now pretty much but I'm confident we can decently solve this.

well my current solve involves one of:

Dandelion scum

or

Brian, A50 and other voters on the Dandelion train as scum.

... man I could see scum instavoting here to put pressure thanks to what happened yesterday and look normal right?

but Brian's vote is super weird. he should be voting me. The insta wagon should be on me but

they chose dandelion

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Living slots and their claims:

Almost50 - Tracker-Transmitter, started forwards.
superbowl9 - RB in Forwards, started backwards. (Blocked GYPYX N3)
Firebringer - Claimed then retracted cop in forwards role, started backwards. Current claim VT/VT?
Lady Lambdadelta - Claimed Gunsmith, N1 Fire Inno, N2 Peta guilty.... No idea what her N3 result is?
Annie Edison (notscience/The Bulge) - Tracker-receiver in both timezones, started backwards.
Spiffeh - Forwards VT, Backwards Vanilla Cop
Hench Princesses (Now Mean) - Ceph's pocket scum read. Claimed forwards VT, backwards sensor, iirc?
Brian Skies - Proven (at least 1) 1-shot bonus turnstile enabler
Deacon Wine - 2-shot Purple Room joiner (N1 used, second shot still in reserve)
Pooky - VT/VT
Midwaybears - VT in backwards, ??? in forwards
Gypyx - VT/VT
Dunn- 3 shot cross-timeline neighborizer (N1 Wine, N2 Deacon, N3 no shot)

New page so it isnt lost.

oh ye, N3 result.

I feel like whatever fucked with me last night will have fucked with me again so i'm not sure it means a fucking lick but i targeted Dandelion and saw he had a gun

which i know isn't true unless they're scum, because provable role

so either dandelion is scum or scum used their role to fuck with me again so i think my results don't mean shit

[Lady Lambdadelta]

A50 scum, MWB scum, Annie scum, spiffeh gypyx firebringer all scum?

Firebringer town I think.

I have an inno result on him.

Then again my guilty on Peta was false positive so =/

Yes maybe scum has an inverter that they used on you? Fits flavor and if they have setup info certainly makes sense to me

... oh that's a thing i didn't consider?

and would make some kind of fucking sense oh gross

they probably have a rolecop and an inverter

so maybe they rc'd me n1 and inverted me n2?

would still make FB town, obviously but would explain Peta at least

Doesn't make sense with watcher, tracker, follower. How would it modify the results?

not sure. like i know you're asking this to kind of try and solve the puzzle but also you're asking someone who would have no idea and is in pure speculation tbh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think dunn asks a valid question how would it invert a watcher or tracker result

i think the answer is, if someone did visit, it makes them disappear? not sure how it would work for like, making them appear, but it probably cleanses them from the result?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

what is an "inverter" ?

Whatever the result a cop will get is, it inverts it. Like a results inverter.

For the third time, how does the interact with tracker, follow, watcher?

So a50 tracks me night 1, but he gets inverted. What does his results say?

probably sees you go nowhere?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD you cannot possibly think that pooky is town right now

i'm not even looking at pooky rn

mostly trying to parse the world

i'll re-eval pooky today i promise

not a coast, just a "need time, brain on other things"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But what if Dunnstral didn't go anywhere? What would happen then

random target maybe? or maybe does nothing?

it's hard to tell

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm currently at...

A50
MWB
Brian
Spiffeh
1 of Pooky and Dandelion
and someone in forwards that I missed. It's hard to think of 6 names, I can think of 6 I suspect but I don't think Cabd+Pooky is a pairing so =/

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also people are voting really carefree for a day we're in lylo which makes me super suspicious of that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am not scum and Brian definitely is.

Like folks acting like my claim is bad need to realize that

Tammy and Nacho had flavour, just like me. It isnt like a full packagw of flavour just a clear character.

Spiffeh has claimed that his cop role gives results like mine does.

My claim is real and anyone who thinks "lld wouldn't claim this badly" and doesn't realize that means "lld is truth telling" and not "lld is doing a wild conspiracy thing"

Which is why Brian is so obviously scum here. My claim is town and my role makes sense for this setup.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My results dont get flavour just my rolepm, to be clear, as I have mentioned

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Are people that think LLD is scum just townreading SB9 because 'too dumb to be scum' or what?

If LLD flips green I want you to lick my feet please

She faked a guilty bro.

Ultimately all the botched fakeclaim stuff is a distraction

I didn't fake a guilty bro.

I got a false positive bro.

It's different bro.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

SB9, would you do Brian today?

He's open wolfing in a way A50 isn't and I think in a lylo with this many players we need to have someone who is aggressively like that to unify our remaining townies against since I doubt scum busses here ever.

Thoughts?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: LDD

I'm town though =/

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like FB you're as close as i have to confirmed town and you voting here is the bads pls unvote

not sure they can coordinate a quick hammer with 6 people but

[Lady Lambdadelta]

why are you so confident on your results when it's confirmed to you that scum can mess with ur results?

makes no sense that my N1 result was fucked with

I'm more than willing to bet the N1 result was gucci. Or at least, I have a town read on FB's play regardless so it encourages me to believe as such.

Double factor etc.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if u read me town by play then why did u check me?

You're asking me that.

You. Are asking ME why I checked a Day 1 town read who is normalized as:

Producing nothing
becoming middling by day 3
causing paranoia in others
and getting eliminated as a result in midgame or lylo?

Why I checked you N1 when I found you Day 1 town?

Like fucks sakes the number of times you were like "why do you find me so town" on day 2 onward and my answers were always "lul idk i just do i'll deal with you later" or "i found you town day 1 so i'll stick to it for a while"

how fucking clear and obvious do i need to be that i checked you

like go read those answers i gave you to those questions and tell me it doesn't look like someone who has a fucking inno on you but doesn't wanna out themselves but also doesn't wanna make you paranoid and shit.

fucking seriously.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if u read me town by play then why did u check me?

You're asking me that.

You. Are asking ME why I checked a Day 1 town read who is normalized as:

Producing nothing
becoming middling by day 3
causing paranoia in others
and getting eliminated as a result in midgame or lylo?

Why I checked you N1 when I found you Day 1 town?

Like fucks sakes the number of times you were like "why do you find me so town" on day 2 onward and my answers were always "lul idk i just do i'll deal with you later" or "i found you town day 1 so i'll stick to it for a while"

how fucking clear and obvious do i need to be that i checked you

like go read those answers i gave you to those questions and tell me it doesn't look like someone who has a fucking inno on you but doesn't wanna out themselves but also doesn't wanna make you paranoid and shit.

fucking seriously.

Most of these are post check reasoning.

Ur going to have to do better than this. You didn't give of any hints that you checked me, you gave of only that you had strong townread based on my play and you complained about it sure on how exasperated u were by it, but to say "I gave you plenty of hints i checked u" i think is not true.

god okay, you're gonna make me do the work and go back and find this shit?

look i'm not really that good at crumbing and shit, it's not how I play, but I do try to state things to people so they will understand see: my statement to bork on day 3.

I will go find my responses to you and explain when and where i tried to intone i had mroe than a passing townread on you, but the truth it i intentionally tried not to look like a power role until day 3, basically.

because i thought "oh hey i'm a gunsmith that is a cop that gets false positives sometimes, so i can trust my negative results and if someone is a claimed role i can target them to avoid that too"

see: targetting peta n2

like everything i did this game had a fuck ton of good logic behind it, i'm not just crazy you know

but since i know you're town i NEED YOUR VOTE today so...

i guess give me a day or so to hit the weekend and then i'll make a post outlining it, ye?

it's not post facto, i promise, lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

SB, is Dandelion town?

This js a game where we need to solve for all 5 other townies.

FB is a townie (and I will go find thos eposts for him, this weekend has been alot)
Dunn is probably a townie which is concerning.
Annie Edison is town.

So I need 2 more townies.

I don't think Spiffeh A50 Melanique Brian or MWB are town.

So from Pooky Dandelion and Gxypx, 2 are town.

Gx probably town?

So I am back to where I was before.

One of Pooky and Dandelion is town and pooky passed the test earlier..
I swear to GOD pooky is town I think but maybe i was wrong yesterday?

I would say scum 6 is Dandelion except the lack of voting after dandelion was run up and the lack of a voordinated hammer after DAYS of Dandelion voting Brian means at least one of them is scum

Possibly both.

So for me, since Brian js def. Scum

Either Dandelion is scum being bussed by Brian and no one did anything

Or dandelion is town and no townie voted him long enough to have the quick hammer.

God pooky was on that wagon and left it at a good time to draw attention away?

Mmm

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you want to vote in dandy, brian just vote we’re sitting around doing nothing. Let’s just get this over with

Okay, let's do Brian. He is always scum here via the cross vote and how everything happened.

UNVOTE: Brian Skies

I still need you to talk me through what I talkes about above, but even if both of them are scum, Brian at least always is so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So i have been sick all day

So 24 more hours to get to forefinger stuff but

If Dunn and you are both onboard with brian, SB we are doing well!

I am pretty sure Gx is town, so can you talk to GX about his reads and voting Brian with us?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like it is my job to prove my innocencr to FB and I will do that fucking job so help me God

But if you can work with Gx to grt him out from yhe bad mindsets, we would only need Pooky/Annie.

And I know we disagree on which one of those are town (honestly they might both be but ye)

But we can cross that bridge once we are there. One step at a time.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

vote then pls

I'll vote when there's somewhat of a consensus on who we're eliminating, are we at that point?

Yeah?

Brian and Dandelion have been cross voted for literal days

And Dandelion had 3 votes on them at one point

So one of them had to be scum. Just too much time for both of them to be townies who sre wrong and crossvoting.

They are effectively confirmed scum to each other and it is time to make the choice.

My consensus is it doesnt matter if Dandelion is getting cute or not, Brian's Dandelion vote was awful and the fact Brian wasn't quick hammered after a Dandelion vote is just more confirmation he is scum.

I think SB agrees Brian scum. I know others have professed Brian scum today.

So yeah we are on consensus.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Even so, can you answer my questions dunn? What incentive does scum LLD have to take these actions

None, lol. the thing all these claims about me faking something miss is that I was in a position where I didn't need to fake anything to kill Skitter or even possibly peta.

I claimed and played the way I did purely because it was the correct thing to do because I had a guilty and I wanted to play it in a way that would win town the game.

Anyway, SB, I know you're locked in on A50 but Brian is where I want to go today. Any chance I can get you to coalesse on my block as opposed to having to try and shift them all over to yours?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It seems like all you want to do this game is sit in an armchair and play devil's advocate to setup spec without actually proposing reasonable plans of action dunnstrall. Just like when you shift the conversation to strongman hunting to try to bolster your point about bell lying. That was proven false. Can you actually think past a snap judgement "not normal mechanics! Bad!" "Lie! Scum!" mentality? Because if you are town we need you to be actually competent

My dude, I get this and this will be important as I'm gonna be UTG for the rest of the game, but Dunn is literally voting for a scum team member rn.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyway, SB, I know you're locked in on A50 but Brian is where I want to go today. Any chance I can get you to coalesse on my block as opposed to having to try and shift them all over to yours?

Sure. But I think our chances of losing are much higher with brian than A50

I think our win EV goes up by having you me dunn and dandelion on the same target and unbudging, forcing scum to show their cards a bit more if they want to try and win today.

Just my own personal view.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Convince me on brian LLD - especially their role, you think scum gets a 1x turn opener?

I do. The N2 all scum removed thing is a jebait and scum know if that happens it is game over, right?

So having someone who can do that by force... to rebalance sides to ensure outcomes like that don't happen?

it seems REQUIRED to ensure scum don't auto lose right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

/their earlier play. I would agree with you that if I was judging the game off of only today brian would be obvscum, but eylo is weird. I was just acting weird too. It's not enough to move me past A50 yet

Brian v. Titus looks really bad for Brian in hindsight.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Convince me on brian LLD - especially their role, you think scum gets a 1x turn opener?

I do. The N2 all scum removed thing is a jebait and scum know if that happens it is game over, right?

So having someone who can do that by force... to rebalance sides to ensure outcomes like that don't happen?

it seems REQUIRED to ensure scum don't auto lose right?

I guess.... wouldn't a 1x self-inverter make more sense for this purpose though?

I think his claimed role is much more flexible for a scum purpose. I think self inverter would be more of a town role, don't you?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

/their earlier play. I would agree with you that if I was judging the game off of only today brian would be obvscum, but eylo is weird. I was just acting weird too. It's not enough to move me past A50 yet

Brian v. Titus looks really bad for Brian in hindsight.

Oh was not aware of this interaction

They went super hard at each other ALL DAY the day Titus died, basically.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like Brian was the biggest reason Titus died, tbh.

Like I can't see how you would think Brian is townie from his early play when titus v. brian exists ye?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think our win EV goes up by having you me dunn and dandelion on the same target and unbudging, forcing scum to show their cards a bit more if they want to try and win today.

Just my own personal view.

Agreed, but not if that target is town lol

If brian is town then we've already lost because I'm not going to buy "scum aren't quick hammering" anymore. Let's hurry this up.

Also stop taking potshots at me.

this is literally where I am at. Multiple days with Brian at "dead on board" if he was town. No chance. Brian is confirmed scum in my eyes SB. Join here, we'll do A50 later.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Thanks cakez. Game and mechanics were cool, and i appreciate the effort you put into it. You were a great mod

This was, however, probably one of the single least enjoyable game i've ever played, and while i have a lot of thoughts i'm not sure how much i want to rehash all of this

Lld i found your behavior day3 to be over the line, even tho u were scum

Wine club: will be avoiding games that have more than one of you in it. Your dynamic is toxic, anti-town, and perhaps most importantly, unfun to be around

Bork ur cool tho

I mean Day 3 stuff was not game related in the slightest or intended to be, I was literally just hurt by what Peta said so.

IDK. I think all of it crossed a line. I was so frustrated with the way people were treating me, so. Not an excuse, just is how it was.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean Day 3 stuff was not game related in the slightest or intended to be, I was literally just hurt by what Peta said so.

IDK. I think all of it crossed a line. I was so frustrated with the way people were treating me, so. Not an excuse, just is how it was.

Ok.
I will be avoiding u in the future tho
There were other people and other contributing factors involved, sure, but you basically also made it so unpleasant that people just chose to give you their votes to make it end faster

That's where the line was crossed for me

You're welcome to view it that way and take that position, as you wish. I do not happen to agree that that was why people gave me their votes. Literally Firebringer already promised me his vote from the start of day and everyone else on Peta's wagon was scum.

It had no impact on the game. Literal none.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Spoiler:

I think town still loses anyway, but I do think LLD should have been modkilled her OOG comments to Peta were so far over the line, I knew I had lost the game but that really pushed it into not even being a game anymore. I don't really think a force-replace works there because who wants to push the slot talking about people trying to kill them in real life? I like, understand why Cakez did not opt for more dramatic action but I think the "play to not be fucking horrible" rules need to actually be enforced sometimes. Town or scum if you start talking about real life murder attempts, you are no longer playing a game that people can plausibly expect to "have fun" with

Talking about my family history when a relevant thing got brought up was both Out of game and you know, my family history. Pooky and I had a fucking moment because I said something and didn't specify it. If you have a problem with Pooky and I hashing out our own issues and being friends, that's your own business, and I don't mind not playign with you.

But don't sit here and use my real life trauma that came up because pooky brought it up because of an unintended thing that happened and say "oh that's so over the line".

Like for real.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah, I'm a little annoyed at the scum ATE.

Yeah the pooky v LLD thing was a bit too much.

Again that wasn't fabricated. At least not on my end. I just said something and it hit a trigger for pooky and we had a shared uh... moment.

IDK what to tell you, I even said it wasn't a mafia thing when we talked about it I think.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wallposts build character if they're done right. I think the thing was walls is that sometimes you can get in a tangent and you end up saying a lot of shit that could've been trimmed down. It's basically just striking a balance between brevity and necessity, which is my goal most of the time when I write them

Bring back walls

Wall posts enable scum to hide behind content over conviction and action.

Look, anything town does, scum can counter and use in ways that harm the town. Neighbourhoods are busted, but if scum gets to maximize them, it's over.

Townblocking can lock down a game.... unless scum get to corrupt it.

Wall posts can convince people of a lot of things... but scum can take those and make the game from a 10 page game into a 100 page game and everyone can lean tvt.

what I think people need to staart seeing is that just cause it feels town don't mean it is, and that people need to be willing to compromise more on votes early to test players who have a lot of charisma.

It's the old Glork test. People used to give glork like... one day to find a bunch of scum and have his pick of who should die.

And if he failed, they'd kill him. Not everyone needs THAT level of burdened proficency, but it helps not turn the game into a stew of 10000000 posts that no one wants to read.

Also, rest in peace Glork. =(

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've never crumbed my role in my entire life

Crumbs were always bad, and also I'm surprised scum have stopped fake crumbing too?

I think role crumbing is bad, but I think softing is fine?

Like I think if you have no good reason to be hinting your role, don't.

if you DO, like weak doctor, or a result... go for it right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's the old Glork test. People used to give glork like... one day to find a bunch of scum and have his pick of who should die.

And if he failed, they'd kill him. Not everyone needs THAT level of burdened proficency, but it helps not turn the game into a stew of 10000000 posts that no one wants to read.

this should ABSOLUTELY be applied to cabd imo

see: Xenoblade

The interaction Cabd and I had Day 1.

Cabd is all in on sir cakez. I'm squinting at him and being like "Are you really town".

I go to Cabd and I say "Cabd, if Cakez flips green, I'm killing you tomorrow. We good with that?"

Cabd says yep, I vote Cakez, all remaining resistance breaks, Cakez flips red.

That shit is FINE. If Cakez had been green I'd have killed cabd you believe me.

And it is game relative, you shouldn't always kill him if he does look more town but it's worth doing a lot of times to keep him honest.


It also displays a town habit that is lost in these fucking times, and that's humility.

I let my vote be controlled by Cabd on Day 1on the caveat if he was wrong I could kill him because I was sus of cabd.

Day 2 comes around and I'm sheeping Cabd because why the fuck not. He's got a lock on the game better than mine and if he ends up wrong for a bit and doesn't get night killed I can kill him. I can just lay low, be a townie observing shit, come online if I need to and if I don't... we will win eventually.

NOT EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE THE HERO.

NOT EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE RIGHT.

Sometimes, a little humility, giving up your vote to others and being okay being wrong and shutting shit down to reevaluate for a bit

is fine.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I did not know that about Glork.

that is very sad. I miss him very much

you're not the only one =(