TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[petapan]

feel like scum r less likely to defend an inactive teammate because they know the slot likely gets flipped at some point and it reflects bad on them where where town are more likely to view it through a neutral lens and assume it could be anything and be reticent to flip there

was my experience offsite with a single game, of course people can take different approaches

[Augustus Caesar]

yeah maybe actually
it's not like scum!ari changes any minds with that simple defense so it wouldn't serve him any purpose rather than just make him look bad upon beeboy's flip
you're probably right and it's actually +town for ari if beeboy flips scum

[Augustus Caesar]

I never said I have been paranoid of scum defending me. I was talking about Summer who said she was paranoid of Hectic defending her. midwaybear said earlier he thinks there is scum defending me and I disagreed with him.

ah i see -- so your TEAMMATES are paranoid about scum defending you.

if you disagree with midwaybear, then why do you read me as town now?

midwaybear said 3 days ago he is worried scum are defending me but I disagreed with him. I really liked your post you made on #404 where you were talking about agar's thoughts on the game and this looked like to me your team are helping you solve the game. From what I saw from agar is he said he thinks Hectic's post #256 read like tmi to him which would point to me being town. You said you disagreed with him with the read on me and Hectic. The fact that we have been disagreeing with our team mates is what made me started town reading you.

I'll be heading off to work now.

I like this post a lot. It's one thing to fake you're disagreeing with your teammates, but it's another to see that happen to another person and recognise them as town due to the familiar circumstances
I think Puff!scum is a lot less likely to fake a read like this

[Augustus Caesar]

481 is great

meta is trash idgaf
but i refuse to let someone lurk through the entire first day of team fucking mafia

lol
I will literally never understand this "meta is trash" propoganga
meta can be misleading, sure, but it's very useful if applied right and with context in mind

yes it's his strategy based on meta arguments that have been trotted out and im telling you i do not give a single flying shit ab meta

if it's beeboy or mith himself, idgaf, if they're lurking through d1 of a game im going to yeet them into the sun, end of story. had beeboy just been replaced id be patiently waiting but instead he's done just enough to keep doing nothing. which... i suppose there's a conversation that could be had about the tactical nature of replacing out or staying in the game, but let's not do that and instead just yeet the lurker

I dunno if I'm falling into the trap of reading your over the top style as scummy again, but it's strange you REALLY want people to know you're not sheeping the meta argument but are voting him because he's doing nothing instead, like it's your own violation that you're voting him
reads as a bus post basically, and it's one of those busses with only 3 wheels

[Augustus Caesar]

heccticc: uh... assuming they are starrling seems very different from starrling from 2175?

many reads which im not like 100% sure is a good thing due to town mafia

i'm staarling!
i haven't been able to play much because everyone is so loud :<
what do you mean in that green part?

[Augustus Caesar]

I don't like your attitude and it comes off to me as performative and over the top.

this phrasing feels off for you Adorable. particularly the part i've highlighted. oh wait, i already quoted just the part i was talking about so don't need to highlight it. anyway, did you get this exact phrasing from a teammate or write it yourself?

You must've missed this, Puff
It's understandable, I didn't provide any Puff gifs to catch your attention


^how I feel when anyone lets their jigglypuff evolve to wigglytuff


^personal favourite of mine, you can almost HEAR the music


^neat crumb i noticed where they hinted at puff's back air in the anime long before it was a thing in smash

[Augustus Caesar]

Isis you should do Binding of Isaac or Slay the Spire as your flavour
take screenshots during interesting moments/hands or just at boss fights

i want no less than a boss rush the lost run

[xRECKONERx]

Gotta say the multiposting thing is going to kill me. It just feels like noise for the sake of noise and my eyes kinda glaze over as I read it. I also can't keep track of which is which, and who they're supposed to be underneath the alt, which is making that slot so much harder to read.(I also don't remember if it was just one of the public alts hyperposting or both, so that's a bad sign)
I am liking DV so far. The questions do feel like they're coming from a genuine place. I guess the term is solving? But it just feels like good reaction poking and I'm here for it.
Ari my love, why do you feel funny to me? There's this tone underneath your posts that don't quite feel genuine and more performative. Idk if it's AI, I just know unlike usual, reading your posts made my nose wrinkle up.
That's what I got for now.

Meh I hate all this activity complaining. I feel like scum are way way way more likely to complain about thread activity than town because that means more work for them, while town are more likely to complain about lack of activity.

or, and hear me out, some of the players here are actual adults with lives and jobs and things to do and don't have time to no-life a mafia game just bc some people think it's fun to hyperpost like an adhd toddler on a speedball

[xRECKONERx]

481 is great

meta is trash idgaf
but i refuse to let someone lurk through the entire first day of team fucking mafia

lol
I will literally never understand this "meta is trash" propoganga
meta can be misleading, sure, but it's very useful if applied right and with context in mind

yes it's his strategy based on meta arguments that have been trotted out and im telling you i do not give a single flying shit ab meta

if it's beeboy or mith himself, idgaf, if they're lurking through d1 of a game im going to yeet them into the sun, end of story. had beeboy just been replaced id be patiently waiting but instead he's done just enough to keep doing nothing. which... i suppose there's a conversation that could be had about the tactical nature of replacing out or staying in the game, but let's not do that and instead just yeet the lurker

I dunno if I'm falling into the trap of reading your over the top style as scummy again, but it's strange you REALLY want people to know you're not sheeping the meta argument but are voting him because he's doing nothing instead, like it's your own violation that you're voting him
reads as a bus post basically, and it's one of those busses with only 3 wheels

the meta is trash line of reasoning i've held for years and years now bc the second anyone is aware of meta is becomes irrelevant and moreover people on this site, especially the newest generation of players, have zero fucking clue how to use meta as an actual weapon and there's no room for nuance

i REALLY want people to know meta is garbage, and my vote has zero to do with whatever meta shit peta laid out, and has 100% to do with punishing anti-town behavior and play

i think you have a personality grudge against me, hectic, because you don't like my attitude or my style, and you need to get past that and start trying to read intent and not tone, or you're going to be misreading me all game

[Augustus Caesar]

alright
i'm aware that i read your style as scummy and i'm trying to not let that cloud my view
i don't have any kind of grudge against you, and i'll focus on your takes more

[Datisi]

ok i need to actually post something ok let's see.

ok i understand beeboy is doing the scum!beeboy thing but sources tell me that sometimes, just Sometimes beeboy does not play as town in a similar manner to this. (and a lightning quick meta search confirmed this.) so i'd like to ask the good people to not yet yeet. also you are free to now start discussing whether this post makes me a more or less likely partner for beeboy, i'm looking forward to it.

artistic boi: very stressed as scum.

more prone to theatre.

so far so quiet. +town
pink fluff: giant sheep? 128 was some extent to a read BUT only mentions dats/hect/xof/ari/creature? to some extent is always sheeping hect/summer? +scum
bulge boi: really asking other ppl many questions but no... readlists themselves?
heccticc: uh... assuming they are staarling seems very different from starrling from 2175? many reads which im not like 100% sure is a good thing due to town mafia

i would like to point out that "more prone to theater" is like. wrong. most of the time i don't bother. i just did it that one game. otherwise this readslist seems very... unimpressive? have your teammates weighed in on this game at all?

hectic's post on ari is reminding me that my vote is still on him
which is reminding me that @ari still owes me some explanation about his read on me

actually @creature you haven't responded to my 451
(and @ydrasse still waiting on your teammates)

adorable still confuses me a lot

jesus this post is saying nothing of value
my teammates are gonna be disappointed

i have nothing new to add at this point in time so if someone has any questions for me or something that would be cool ok.

[Datisi]

and literally three seconds after posting this i see i wrote "sometimes beeboy does not play as town in a similar manner to this" when i meant to write "does play as town" oh well what is proofreading.

[Augustus Caesar]

I thought you meant does not play, as town
So it was fine
Way to ruin it

I still want to use more time and agree on not launching yet ftr
What're your other sources/meta? Links pl0x

[Datisi]

What're your other sources/meta? Links pl0x

sources are duckie yelling at me in the team discord to stop asking every three seconds if beeboy is scum because he hasn't posted x amount of time yet

links are this random game i found in his egosearch after 1.5 minutes of research
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84750

[Datisi]

lilith just told me that betrayal mafia also applies. viewtopic.php?f=23&t=84286

[Augustus Caesar]

Hmm good counter examples
I guess it's not a sure fire way of reading him but only scum-indicative then

[petapan]

i will admit him flaking in the first one weakens the case but in betrayal he was able to produce some level of opinion where here it is nothing

i also think the language in his two posts has been scummy (yes, really). the "is there something I should know before reading back?" is the sort of thing a friend of mine would latch onto b/c ben franklin effect or w/e



but, regardless. your vote's still on ari, does his recent spate of posting do nothing for you, do you find it scummy, please update those thoughts

[Augustus Caesar]

there's also Epilogue where he stays in the game as scum and actually does stuff, though the excuses are there in parts

Oh no i didn't realize the game started.
Hello friends.

After clash tonight I'll read up. <3

Greetings, my friend.

You haven't talked to your teammates at all before this?

I still really want this question from my old pal Legolad answered

[Augustus Caesar]

i think the ~extreme~ flakiness and it being team mafia does make him more likely to be scum though. this is the shortest game by far so the lack of motivation is more likely to be dependant on his alignment rather than the game being too much, especially when you'd think he'd have a sense of commitment to his teammates, and excitement about the event

[petapan]

epilogue was actually one of the ones i was thinking of because i remembered watching that and wondering why he was allowed to get away with his "uwu i'll play later" routine for so long


on reflection i don't think i like 521 from bulge

[Augustus Caesar]

Why?

Reading through The Bulge's ISO, there's not a lot of original takes there. There's a lot of questions but I want to see reads and thoughts of your own, Bulge. Your big vanity vote/case on this secret read would be a good start

[petapan]

i think his original vote was timed as there was momentum on ari and the reasoning was only "didn't vibe with his comeback post" but now momentum is dying s it's just "walls look townie despite badlogic" like...that's all?

[Adorable]

What I saw from sirius is he calls me a sheep, says I only mentioned 6 players and then he puts +scum in the end. sirius gave a half read list and so from his point of view that should also mean sirius is +scum.

To answer your question Hectic I wrote 272 myself.

[Augustus Caesar]

i think his original vote was timed as there was momentum on ari and the reasoning was only "didn't vibe with his comeback post" but now momentum is dying s it's just "walls look townie despite badlogic" like...that's all?

Also, a problem is that it's hard to read the bulge for their actions when there's no reasoning attached to them, like why they didn't like ari's comeback post, or why ari's walls looked towny
also, Bulge; do you have a preferred pronoun?

Puff: It didn't sound like you but there's no where else I can really take this I suppose

[Datisi]

but, regardless. your vote's still on ari, does his recent spate of posting do nothing for you, do you find it scummy, please update those thoughts

i don't have a better place for it. because in the current state, either beeboy will start not being obvscum or he's going to get yeeted. but before either happens, there's no point moving my vote around ~for pressure~ because nobody is gonna get pressured from it because they know the current focus is on beeboy. and even if i had a stronger non-beeboy non-ari scumread (not sure if i do right now), voting them for non-pressure reasons is also moot because again, beeboy is a thing, nobody is getting flipped before beeboy at this time.

i also don't want to potentially have to deal with being called beeboy's scumbuddy for desperately trying to counterwagon someone later if he does flip scum.

i'd have removed my vote if i was townreading ari, but like... not sure i am? when i first read 541 i thought if i have thoughts on the wallposts ari wrote and i realized i pretty much remembered nothing from them, and i did read them like twice. the most interesting thing from them was the "i scumread dats for tone except i think i'm wrong, i'll go into this later" so i'm waiting on that.