TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[Augustus Caesar]

I find it impossible to read Creature. How does one do it

[xRECKONERx]

@datisi: remove meta from the equation -- how do you suggest we approach beeboy if he's AFK/MIA, refusing to contribute, and prod dodging just enough to stay outside of range where the mod can do anything ab it?

[Augustus Caesar]

i don't have a better place for it. because in the current state, either beeboy will start not being obvscum or he's going to get yeeted. but before either happens, there's no point moving my vote around ~for pressure~ because nobody is gonna get pressured from it because they know the current focus is on beeboy. and even if i had a stronger non-beeboy non-ari scumread (not sure if i do right now), voting them for non-pressure reasons is also moot because again, beeboy is a thing, nobody is getting flipped before beeboy at this time.

Disagree, it'll be reduced pressure but it'll still be some, and it's always good to see how people react to being voted. I think you're regarding your vote too highly when it's okay to just throw it around and it not being a big deal. I don't know exactly what this means for your alignment, but I disagree on a mafia level I guess

i also don't want to potentially have to deal with being called beeboy's scumbuddy for desperately trying to counterwagon someone later if he does flip scum.

this is fair and i like you're admitting this

wait, didn't we have a very similar situation in undertale where beeboy was being launched and you voted Lavender? you didn't care about it looking like you counterwagoning then

also
YIP YIP YIP

[Datisi]

maybe i haven't actually answered the question but i guess it'd be a yes, his recent posting doesn't actually do much for me. pretty much none of it felt memorable. he could be Just Town and this is how he plays or whatever but i can't townread it. also i noticed that whenever i was mentioned in the walls it was in some shade-y way and maybe i'm omgus-ing but it felt like giving foundation for a possible datisi vote later and i'm not a fan of datisi votes.

pedit: the above^^ is @peta.

reck, i dunno. talk around him, give it an arbitrary long amount of time for him to start posting / get replaced, if it doesn't happen and he keeps prod-dodging then yeet him.

like, i'm not arguing "hurr durr he did this as town like once so let's never vote him". i'm just saying we shouldn't murder him immediately, especially when there's still other Nothing Slots in the game that i'd like to have Something from.

[xRECKONERx]

oh another note, sirius is probably town.

They'll be doing all the town and scumhunting for me while I spectate from the gallows. I'm not actually sure what the word gallows means but I'm hoping it's some kind of regal throne or some kind of nice spectating platform. Would be kinda embarrassing if it means something completely different LOL.

its literally some thing for the hanging of criminals.

aha ive caught a criminal

i do not think scum is very likely to go back and reread and comment on something inane and pointless from post 31, full stop. town is way more likely to do this. i can't imagine what world scum!sirius is like "let me go reread to find things" and lands on THAT being worthwhile to comment on instead of forcing some reads somewhere else, idk.

[xRECKONERx]

like, i'm not arguing "hurr durr he did this as town like once so let's never vote him". i'm just saying we shouldn't murder him immediately, especially when there's still other Nothing Slots in the game that i'd like to have Something from.

what other slots do you feel aren't contributing along with beeboy?

[petapan]

but, regardless. your vote's still on ari, does his recent spate of posting do nothing for you, do you find it scummy, please update those thoughts

i don't have a better place for it. because in the current state, either beeboy will start not being obvscum or he's going to get yeeted. but before either happens, there's no point moving my vote around ~for pressure~ because nobody is gonna get pressured from it because they know the current focus is on beeboy. and even if i had a stronger non-beeboy non-ari scumread (not sure if i do right now), voting them for non-pressure reasons is also moot because again, beeboy is a thing, nobody is getting flipped before beeboy at this time.

i also don't want to potentially have to deal with being called beeboy's scumbuddy for desperately trying to counterwagon someone later if he does flip scum.

i'd have removed my vote if i was townreading ari, but like... not sure i am? when i first read 541 i thought if i have thoughts on the wallposts ari wrote and i realized i pretty much remembered nothing from them, and i did read them like twice. the most interesting thing from them was the "i scumread dats for tone except i think i'm wrong, i'll go into this later" so i'm waiting on that.

eh like i don't agree with you, we can & should be discussing everyone else right now (which is why i'm talking to you!) because it's not like beeboy is gonna say shit but there's enough info out in the open to be considering the other players in the game, which we're going to have to do tomorrow even if we do just shoot beeboy into the sun. appreciate the answer on ari. clarity helps

I find it impossible to read Creature. How does one do it

idk i thought his catchup seemed fine

[petapan]

or i guess i do agree in the sense of Let's Talk About Other Stuff

[Datisi]

i don't have a better place for it. because in the current state, either beeboy will start not being obvscum or he's going to get yeeted. but before either happens, there's no point moving my vote around ~for pressure~ because nobody is gonna get pressured from it because they know the current focus is on beeboy. and even if i had a stronger non-beeboy non-ari scumread (not sure if i do right now), voting them for non-pressure reasons is also moot because again, beeboy is a thing, nobody is getting flipped before beeboy at this time.

Disagree, it'll be reduced pressure but it'll still be some, and it's always good to see how people react to being voted. I think you're regarding your vote too highly when it's okay to just throw it around and it not being a big deal. I don't know exactly what this means for your alignment, but I disagree on a mafia level I guess

i also don't want to potentially have to deal with being called beeboy's scumbuddy for desperately trying to counterwagon someone later if he does flip scum.

this is fair and i like you're admitting this

wait, didn't we have a very similar situation in undertale where beeboy was being launched and you voted Lavender? you didn't care about it looking like you counterwagoning then

usually i'm all for throwing my vote around (in fact, that used to be a good way to read me - as town i'd be throwing votes around while as scum i used to just camp a single vote during the whole day - no i'm not trying to make a meta argument on why i'm XYZ alignment here, please lower the shotgun reck, i'm just illustrating that i'm usually not stingy with my votes), but i just? don't feel like it? i dunno if it's the gamestate being lethargic or whatever. i'll let you know if it changes.

and, yes, but the difference is i didn't think he was scum there. i was well aware that if beeboy was to flip scum there i'd look absolutely horrible (i'm pretty sure i mentioned that somehwere early day two), but at the time i didn't think he was scum. here, i'm well aware that ez wagon =/= town beeboy.

[Datisi]

like, i'm not arguing "hurr durr he did this as town like once so let's never vote him". i'm just saying we shouldn't murder him immediately, especially when there's still other Nothing Slots in the game that i'd like to have Something from.

what other slots do you feel aren't contributing along with beeboy?

the slots that i can remember almost nothing game-related, sirius and bulge, and slots that i can remember some game-related stuff from but that still, like, owe explanations, haven't yet impressed with content, haven't taken too many stances, so creature, xof, maaaybe ydrasse.

yes i'm aware i'm potentially being unfair going from memory as opposed to like, actually opening iso's and rereading them to see, but i'm gonna be arrogant enough to say that if i don't remember anything worthwhile from the slot, maybe the slot hasn't done anything worthwhile.

[Datisi]

eh like i don't agree with you, we can & should be discussing everyone else right now (which is why i'm talking to you!) because it's not like beeboy is gonna say shit but there's enough info out in the open to be considering the other players in the game, which we're going to have to do tomorrow even if we do just shoot beeboy into the sun. appreciate the answer on ari. clarity helps

oh, i agree we should be discussing other people, i'm all for it. i'm just being realistic that no matter what we talk about, unless someone legit posts a post for the scum pt into the main thread or something, at the end of the day we're headed towards a beeboy yeet (unless he impresses/gets replaced), therefore my vote isn't worth too much elsewhere right now.

you said you were gonna make a full readslist, right? how's that coming along?

[Augustus Caesar]

Makes sense

[petapan]

i said i'd get my team to pool reds but they haven't answered and they've been dealing with their own stuff

i personally hate doing readslists as town so i probably wouldn't bother unless a gun was being held to my head (but dayvigs aren't a thing in normals anymore, ha)

[Datisi]

fair.

what's the spiciest / most hot-take read you have right now?

[xRECKONERx]

didn't peta say he had a vanity wagon he wanted to sit on

[petapan]

fair.

what's the spiciest / most hot-take read you have right now?

i don't think i have anything above room temperature. i guess i still think xof is a townlean off their content so far and hope they return with more in the future

didn't peta say he had a vanity wagon he wanted to sit on

that was bulge

[DeasVail]

that said,

VOTE: Adorable

Reck finally pulled me down on one side of the fence

This vote is not what I expected and is the opposite of the direction of my own read, which was heading towards Adorable-town.

[DeasVail]

Also I fund all of the attention on beeboy funny because xof hasn't been here in the same amount of time and nobody cares? There was a 3 hour difference between their last posts.

Like I get that beebs is a meta point but still, the fact that nobody cares if a slot that has only 3 posts has been silent the same amount of time be has is funny to me.

Ari I don't understand why you are comparing beeboy and xofelf here. One of them has posted thoughts/content and the other has not. It's a pretty clear difference to me.

[Sirius9121]

have your teammates weighed in on this game at all?

iconeum has given up on me and has told me that he's treating this game as schrodinger's cat.

[Datisi]

those seem like a bit too big words for ico <_< >_>

[Sirius9121]

most of the time i don't bother. i just did it that one game.

do you really think i have time to meta search you if i already seen ur past experience xD

[DeasVail]

Okay I don't have a better place for my vote to go than on beeboy atm.

I eagerly await bulge's vanity vote.

I now townread Adorable and Ari, who are people I previously suspected.

I think Peta changing his vote to Adorable was still very odd.

[Sirius9121]

innocent boi likes peta +town?

[Datisi]

do you have time to read the game and actually offer thoughts on other slots though?

pedit: @sirius

[Datisi]

innocent boi likes peta +town?

this doesn't mean anything

WHY does he like him