TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[petapan]

That’s what I was wondering too?

uhhhh okay then?

don't know how you read that as unnerved, when i get unnerved i tend to clam up a little bit

[DeasVail]

I could be wrong. I was just surprised to see bulge’s case inspire so much passion.

The big lead-up to an ultimately underwhelming case seems like a weird move from scum.

[The Bulge]

really took you that long to put that shit together?

????????

yes peta, for 30 hours I toiled over my case. I didnt sleep last night, or go to work today or yesterday, nor did I just spend the time right when I got home responding to other parts of the game.

this is the shit I was talking about. you don't believe this push because you know that is not how the game works.

[Datisi]

wait, this case has only two points? ok

the way he tries to turn it around on me by threatening his townlean on me is hilarious. and I despise how he calls off our discussion because we're not "gonna get anything more out of this", and then immediately proceeds to shade me? and like, if i am slipping out of your townleans, that's when you want to cut me loose of the convo? what scumhunting strategy is that? and now since then, he has done a full 180 on me, which like, on its own sure, other shit has happened since then, but it's still incredibly scummy to me.

i mean, were we gonna get anything more out of that convo? i thought your suspicion on me was weird because i had recently done something similar in a towngame with you and i thought you should know better than to suspect me for *checks notes* calling an interaction tvt unprompted and using language such as "hot take", which i'm p sure someone in the thread said in the meantime is just my way of speaking. you thought the situations were not similar enough for my comparison to hold water.

like, if you're town, i'm not gonna be able to convince you otherwise. if you're scum, i'm not gonna be able to convince you otherwise. i don't have too much need for wasting time trying to convince someone why my action shouldn't be scumleaned if they already disagreed with my explanation. just note it is a slight +scum thing for them and move on.

re: the jokey awareness

this is scummy because ... ? like ok here's the thing. i play town by just spewing thoughts as they come because that way, at some point, it's gonna be obvious i'm town. a lot of my thoughts this game have been "wow this game is fuckin' boring. wow i don't feel like doing anything and i have nothing to talk about. oh, that is often scum indicative. hah."

that last one also suggests to me that Datisi suspects he was my ~secret read~, and is nervous about what I might say, and unwilling to engage me directly on it.

i suspected i was your secret read, yes, i always suspect i'm the secret read when people say "oh i have a super secret scumread i'll sit on it for a bit". yeah i'm nervous if you're about to drop a bomb ass case that will just murder me on the spot. (this ain't it, though.) you're free to explain how these things make me scum, though. last time i checked, getting executed hurts my win condition as town too.

unwilling to engage you directly about it? i mean, when someone asked who your super secret read is, you were like "no no wait i will make a case i cannot utter the name without the case ready", how was i supposed to directly engage with that, without even knowing? and i'm directly engaging you now, am i not?

[Datisi]

and now since then, he has done a full 180 on me, which like, on its own sure, other shit has happened since then, but it's still incredibly scummy to me.

oh, forgot to add this part: going from "eh i'm slightly townleaning bulge for early day posting" to "yeah time has passed and bulge hasn't really done anything, i can drop a vote on him" is like, not quite a full 180 i think.

[petapan]

I could be wrong. I was just surprised to see bulge’s case inspire so much passion.

The big lead-up to an ultimately underwhelming case seems like a weird move from scum.

i guess you could say i am

agitated

which started with his response to me and then continued with him dropping a post whose reasoning i felt to be especially weak

i don't see it being "weird" makes it less likely, not like people can always fabricate strong cases or anticipate how they'll be received, but if someone is hoping to give the appearance of ~genuine solving~ or whatever the kids call it these days it helps to look like you have ~original thinking~. but reasoning based on someone sounding "off" is rvs-ish stuff, it's underdeveloped and seemingly brushes by actual content. i don't like it!

[petapan]

really took you that long to put that shit together?

????????

yes peta, for 30 hours I toiled over my case. I didnt sleep last night, or go to work today or yesterday, nor did I just spend the time right when I got home responding to other parts of the game.

this is the shit I was talking about. you don't believe this push because you know that is not how the game works.

yeah okay man this was definitely not you struggling to force a bad case

[Datisi]

ok only now i actually read through all the quotes you included as jokey self-awareness, and only now i noticed there's also a quote of me knowing reck doesn't like self-meta and me knowing that my own memory is fallible and that going from memory often isn't ideal for analyzing isos. eh, i can kinda? sorta? see that second one as "yeah if i'm wrong on these people, it's because i was just going from memory, okay, i wasn't purposefully misrepping them or anything" but like... i dunno. i feel like if that were your train of thought, you'd maybe have written it out there?

how sure are you that i'm scum in this game, bulge?

in any case. i think this case is decently underwhelming. pending bulge's response on why the jokey tone makes me scum, i guess. i'll think about this more tomorrow, it is 3:30am and y'all made me stay up longer than i wanted to respond to this. i will go sleep now.

[Isis]

I am force replacing beeboy, as he has triggered the probation clause of my activity rules. Normally such a player would be permitted to race their replacement, but the replacement processes for Team Mafia are different - once I hand control over to the team to locate a replacement, the race has essentially already been lost.

[Isis]

Votecount 1.7

• Sirius9121
  (0) -
  
• Augustus
  Caesar
  (1) - Creature
  
• Aristophanes
  (0) -
  
• Datisi
  (0) -
  
• Summer
  Nights
  (0) -
  
• Creature
  (0) -
  
• xofelf
  (0) -
  
• DeasVail
  (0) -
  
• The
  Bulge
  (2) - Datisi, petapan,
  
• Adorable
  (0) -
  
• petapan
  (1)- The Bulge
  
• xRECKONERx
  (0)
  
• beeboy
  (4) - Augustus Caesar, Summer Nights, Adorable, xRECKONERx

Not Voting (5) : xofelf, Sirius9121, DeasVail, beeboy, Aristophanes
Deadline: (expired on 2021-01-29 21:00:00)
With thirteen alive, it takes seven votes to eliminate and seven votes to skip the day's elimination.

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Well, ring of stealth is pretty helpful. None of the orcs woke up, and each of the three were slain in one hit (a backstab itself is silent or nearly silent.)

A randart axe came into sight. Randart is the highest possible rarity, but the usefulness of such weapons ranges from "worse a normal one" due to overly fancy drawbacks, to characteristics that make the find the most important thing about your run.
This axe is apparently "Widowmaker", +2 intelligence, +5 armor from a special armor enchantment, and poison resist (that is redundant due to a ring).

[Sirius9121]

*hi*

[petapan]

sirius did you ever get an answer from iv on why he's reading me as town

i suddenly realize whatever answer i get probably won't be that interesting but i feel obligated to ask until i do

[Sirius9121]

sirius did you ever get an answer from iv on why he's reading me as town

i suddenly realize whatever answer i get probably won't be that interesting but i feel obligated to ask until i do

our timezones are different

[petapan]

sirius did you ever get an answer from iv on why he's reading me as town

i suddenly realize whatever answer i get probably won't be that interesting but i feel obligated to ask until i do

our timezones are different

i'm aware but please ask for an answer? i'm not the only one who has inquired about this read

[Sirius9121]

he hasnt answered

[petapan]

sirius you are not currently voting anyone, do you have any scumreads? do your teammates have any scumreads

[Sirius9121]

pink fluff and bulge boi tbh?

[petapan]

why

[xRECKONERx]

what the fuck happened in here while i was away

too late too sleepy will catch up tomorrow, looks spicy

[Summer Nights]

meant to post today passed out just woke up tomorrow i’m off work n have time to play wooooo

[petapan]

what the fuck happened in here while i was away

too late too sleepy will catch up tomorrow, looks spicy

its not that spicy its mostly me and bulge yelling at each other

also beeboy gone so you dont gotta vote him anymore

[Aristophanes]

I apologize but timing is not on my side again. I'll be back tomorrow.

Reck, I didn't Iso Dive because I was making a quick response on the go. I'll get there. It seems I missed a lot too so this should be fun when I get there!

[The Bulge]

i mean, were we gonna get anything more out of that convo? i thought your suspicion on me was weird because i had recently done something similar in a towngame with you and i thought you should know better than to suspect me for *checks notes* calling an interaction tvt unprompted and using language such as "hot take", which i'm p sure someone in the thread said in the meantime is just my way of speaking. you thought the situations were not similar enough for my comparison to hold water.

once again, I didn't have a problem with your word choice, stop trying to make it that. there were several lines of yours that looked to me as performative and unnecessary for town to make. I agree we weren't getting anywhere talking about Jungle Oligarchy, but shutting down the conversation entirely instead of pursuing your own line of questioning when you said your read on me had flipped is scummy.

like, if you're town, i'm not gonna be able to convince you otherwise. if you're scum, i'm not gonna be able to convince you otherwise. i don't have too much need for wasting time trying to convince someone why my action shouldn't be scumleaned if they already disagreed with my explanation. just note it is a slight +scum thing for them and move on.

you shut down the conversation because the pressure was focused on you. if your read of me had really gone from town->scum in the span of that exchange then why would you not want me to keep talking?

re: the jokey awareness

this is scummy because ... ? like ok here's the thing. i play town by just spewing thoughts as they come because that way, at some point, it's gonna be obvious i'm town. a lot of my thoughts this game have been "wow this game is fuckin' boring. wow i don't feel like doing anything and i have nothing to talk about. oh, that is often scum indicative. hah."

you seem confident and nervous all at once in a way that suggests to me that you might possibly be playing outside of your usual scumrange, which is something you have certainly not hesitated to mention or imply.

i suspected i was your secret read, yes, i always suspect i'm the secret read when people say "oh i have a super secret scumread i'll sit on it for a bit". yeah i'm nervous if you're about to drop a bomb ass case that will just murder me on the spot. (this ain't it, though.) you're free to explain how these things make me scum, though. last time i checked, getting executed hurts my win condition as town too.

don't try to act like it isn't perfectly reasonable to assume that execution anxiety comes from scum more often than town.

unwilling to engage you directly about it? i mean, when someone asked who your super secret read is, you were like "no no wait i will make a case i cannot utter the name without the case ready", how was i supposed to directly engage with that, without even knowing? and i'm directly engaging you now, am i not?

obviously you're forced to engage with me now, why are you bringing this up? I was talking about before I said who my vanity vote would be. like you didn't want to risk adding fuel to the fire before knowing what to avoid doing to stop tipping me off.

oh, forgot to add this part: going from "eh i'm slightly townleaning bulge for early day posting" to "yeah time has passed and bulge hasn't really done anything, i can drop a vote on him" is like, not quite a full 180 i think.

on its own, sure, but it's not a good look with the potential omgus and with how awkward your hop onto me was.

[The Bulge]

I could be wrong. I was just surprised to see bulge’s case inspire so much passion.

The big lead-up to an ultimately underwhelming case seems like a weird move from scum.

i guess you could say i am

agitated

which started with his response to me and then continued with him dropping a post whose reasoning i felt to be especially weak

i don't see it being "weird" makes it less likely, not like people can always fabricate strong cases or anticipate how they'll be received, but if someone is hoping to give the appearance of ~genuine solving~ or whatever the kids call it these days it helps to look like you have ~original thinking~. but reasoning based on someone sounding "off" is rvs-ish stuff, it's underdeveloped and seemingly brushes by actual content. i don't like it!

your insistence on using meta for so many people this game, yourself included, but not mentioning my meta at all and instead speaking in vague general terms is continuing to weird me out.

ftr I very much agree with dv that your reaction to my Datisi post is weirdly combative.

really took you that long to put that shit together?

????????

yes peta, for 30 hours I toiled over my case. I didnt sleep last night, or go to work today or yesterday, nor did I just spend the time right when I got home responding to other parts of the game.

this is the shit I was talking about. you don't believe this push because you know that is not how the game works.

yeah okay man this was definitely not you struggling to force a bad case

how long do you actually think it took me? what was your point in saying that? what is your basis? what does coming for my timing accomplish except to discredit me?

[The Bulge]

ok only now i actually read through all the quotes you included as jokey self-awareness, and only now i noticed there's also a quote of me knowing reck doesn't like self-meta and me knowing that my own memory is fallible and that going from memory often isn't ideal for analyzing isos. eh, i can kinda? sorta? see that second one as "yeah if i'm wrong on these people, it's because i was just going from memory, okay, i wasn't purposefully misrepping them or anything" but like... i dunno.

i feel like if that were your train of thought, you'd maybe have written it out there?

what is the point of this?

how sure are you that i'm scum in this game, bulge?

atm you are my second from the bottom