TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

[Nancy Drew 39]

norwegian list kinda scummy, but that's essentially where the gamestate is dictating the game being, so I could see that as a scum list or a town list, but i don't really want Norwegian faded today.

I really don’t think Norwee plays like this as scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Scum is probably this:
{Zoraster, Pine, TheGoldenParadox}

I specifically think it is never just this

I don’t think Pine is scum here. And I agree with your take on him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Town:
-Mistyx
-Nancy Drew 39
-Flavour Leaf

I really hate this.

Ugh, Norwegian, your list looks so damn political.

What’s wrong with it? Especially those 3?

[Nancy Drew 39]

molla wagon is bad i think if i didnt already say that

im probably parked on zor unless i see something telling me otherwise

Yeah, I think at least one scum is probably on that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, your case on TGP as scum is based on how he is handling your slot. Frankly i don’t really give a toss if anyone has weird interactions with you or not, as i do not believe it to be exclusively an scumtell.
But i did find Zor’s huge wallpost with an extremely pointless conclusion to be awful and really scummy. It’s like he’s trying to appear solving, and makes a bug wall of content. But on closer inspection it reads as really forced analyzis and doesn’t really conclude a thing. And Zor doesn’t even use that information for anything.
So i believe he has scumtold much harder and is my preferred elimination for today.

I’m not opposed to Zor but I still think TGP’s scum. I think how a player interacts with me approaches my slots is highly AI which is why I moved from Ico to TGP because I think his entire approach to my slot didn’t make much sense coming from a town perspective. So, it necessary, I’ll consider moving there but TGP is my currently my most confident sr and Math isn’t a fan of either. I will reread Zor’s wall but I would like you not to outright dismiss my reasons. I wouldn’t be voting TGP if I didn’t think I have good reasons for that vote.

I'm not saying I have a solid solid townread on TGP, but you are just playing a pure OMGUS game here Nancy. That doesn't mean ur wrong, but it sure as hell isn't persuasive either

If you seriously think that, than you haven’t been accurately reading my posts.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So you like Zor then? Maybe I should keep my vote where it is then? I just really feel strongly that TGP is scum and unlike Norwee, I think how a player interacts with you is possibly the most valuable information you can have.

I agree to some extent here. PvP interactions are obviously one of the best sources of information. One of the things I do is bump heads with players to form reads. But you seem to just hardcore scumread anyone who dares look at you and, how dare they, say they don't townread you?

That's not informative, that's bullshit. You've scumread literally every player who dared speak a bad word about you, so no i don't think ur using it to truthfully Judge people.

Unless you have extremely good reasons to think TGP is town

, what’s actually “bullshit” is your criticism of me.

I’m still suspicious of you btw and not completely sure you’re not pocketing Norwee. Why? because you’re too hard defending a slot you’re not even confidently tr. If I had the exact same read on Norwee for example, I would actually get this. It would make total sense for you to have this strong a reaction to a player you strongly tr but you haven’t actually given any indication that you do in fact strongly tr TGP, so your reaction defending him to me is way over the top.

It’s mainly because of your weird reaction to me, I think I want to trust Norwee on Akarin because I’m still not convinced you weren’t trying to chain miselims. Norwee’s reaction to this otoh makes total sense because it’s inline with his TGP read but you’re essentially going off on me for a slot you’re not even claiming to tr. So I have to ask why? Because it makes no sense to me unless you do.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Alas, being so stubborn and reactionary about it, it's probably +town...

Why is TGP town or what is even your issue here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Norwegian, I've said even less to or about you.

Which is quite odd for someone you "suspect".
Why aren't you trying to solve my allignment?

What part of "I find you suspicious" is not trying to solve you?

Frankly, this kind of bullshit, disingenuous attack is why I think you're +rand scum, and the fact that you and others have been doing the same to Zor make me think he's +rand Town.

VOTE: Pine

Increasingly bad posts, complete unwillingness to do anything basicly.
Being called out for not trying to solve a slot and the best you can manage is 'but i am solving this slot, look: i said it's suspicious'. LOL.
And then you go on some sort of rage using bad words against a very normal post from TSQ?

It feels so super fucking fake, Pine.

I didn’t like his reactions either, especially his Norwee read but I’m not convinced that it couldn’t come from town.

[Thestatusquo]

For the Nth time, from like the Nth player:

We dont necessarily have a problem with your reads but we have a problem with your arguments and your methods because they are coming explicitly from your POV and a perspective that assumes you're town which we by definition can't share.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I want to get rid of an relatively inactive and unhelpful slot today.
BBMolla does not fit that criteria as they seem engaged.
Akarin has had bursts of activity.
Zor has done nothing but excuses and made scummy posts.

Of these current wagons i endore Zor, could maybe be convinced on Akarin but not really as i don’t see why they are scummy. BBMolla no.

i'm down to lim between Zor and Pine here

Are you going to explain your TGP tr to me, if you actually do have one?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Either scum is doing absolutely nothing to control the gamestate, and scum is in the lurker people, or scum are doing the absolute most.

I don't know which is more likely.

Well ehhh, if scum are doing the absolute most then the scumteam is like

you/Nancy/TSQ or smt

I don't think that's very likely at this point

Who is smt? Yeah of course it isn’t.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Kind of feels like the scum team might be just like {pine, zor, ramcius} to me.

A complete POE would be something like { Flavor Leaf Ramcius Pine TheGoldenParadox zoraster Akarin Dr Easy Bake }

My problem is that I don’t think Pine is this antagonistic as scum. He definitely wasn’t in the game he rolled scum with me.

[Thestatusquo]

I think people can and do play differently all the time.

[Nancy Drew 39]

For the Nth time, from like the Nth player:

We dont necessarily have a problem with your reads but we have a problem with your arguments and your methods because they are coming explicitly from your POV and a perspective that assumes you're town which we by definition can't share.

Yes I get that but my perspective is the best way for me to make reads. I don’t even understand how you think I can do that other than that?

[Thestatusquo]

I understand that but what I don't understand is how you don't seem to think its reasonable to draw opposite conclusions from you and you expect them to be persuaded by arguments they can't, again by necessity, be persuaded by.

Like idk you're town, so if you're making an argument thats like "hey them interacting with me as town right now is weird or scummy" I literally can't evaluate that argument, so its impossible for it to persuade me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think people can and do play differently all the time.

I’m only aware of that scumgame but antagonistic town!Pine is something I’ve encountered a lot in his towngames but of course you’re right. However I agree with FL on how he’s viewing Pine’s reaction to the Zor wagon.

At any rate, I don’t think I’m ever voting Norwee or Misty here, so if we have a point in the game where it’s me, Norwee, Misty and Pine, I’d obviously vote Pine but I’m concerned that Ico who is ironically giving me shit for my TGP read appears to be basing his Pine read off of emotional reactions, so I don’t trust that. I think you and Norwee are approaching his slot in a way that I can’t immediately dismiss but I agree with FL, I still think he could be town doing this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I understand that but what I don't understand is how you don't seem to think its reasonable to draw opposite conclusions from you and you expect them to be persuaded by arguments they can't, again by necessity, be persuaded by.

Like idk you're town, so if you're making an argument thats like "hey them interacting with me as town right now is weird or scummy" I literally can't evaluate that argument, so its impossible for it to persuade me.

Yeah well, it comes down to you reading me correctly then, I guess.

[Thestatusquo]

I think ico is one of my strongest town reads in the game fwiw.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think ico is one of my strongest town reads in the game fwiw.

I’m still really bothered by him pushing me to vote Akarin, then jumping on me when I did, then pitting us together for reasons that still aren’t making sense to me and I’m sure he will try to AtE me into understanding why he did that but it’s still not making sense to me. Maybe that is a definite blind spot for me but it strongly weakened my tr of him and now he’s railing at me for sr a slot he isn’t even claiming to tr, so I’m really not understanding that.

[Thestatusquo]

I understand that but what I don't understand is how you don't seem to think its reasonable to draw opposite conclusions from you and you expect them to be persuaded by arguments they can't, again by necessity, be persuaded by.

Like idk you're town, so if you're making an argument thats like "hey them interacting with me as town right now is weird or scummy" I literally can't evaluate that argument, so its impossible for it to persuade me.

Yeah well, it comes down to you reading me correctly then, I guess.

or maybe you could realize that there's two parts of scum hunting: figuring out who the scum is and convincing others to vote them. Your methods might work for the first part but I'm telling you they suck ass at the second part.

[Thestatusquo]

I think ico is one of my strongest town reads in the game fwiw.

I’m still really bothered by him pushing me to vote Akarin, then jumping on me when I did, then pitting us together for reasons that still aren’t making sense to me and I’m sure he will try to AtE me into understanding why he did that but it’s still not making sense to me.

Could you provide me the post numbers where this happened? I don't recall the interaction quite happening like that.

[Thestatusquo]

oh and by the by, pretty sure "smt" from that post you were quoting earlier was supposed to mean "something."

Maybe Ico meant something else but thats what I read it as.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe something meant something else.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think people can and do play differently all the time.

I’m only aware of that scumgame but antagonistic town!Pine is something I’ve encountered a lot in his towngames but of course you’re right. However I agree with FL on how he’s viewing Pine’s reaction to the Zor wagon.

At any rate, I don’t think I’m ever voting Norwee or Misty here, so if we have a point in the game where it’s me, Norwee, Misty and Pine, I’d obviously vote Pine but I’m concerned that Ico who is ironically giving me shit for my TGP read appears to be basing his Pine read off of emotional reactions, so I don’t trust that. I think you and Norwee are approaching his slot in a way that I can’t immediately dismiss but I agree with FL, I still think he could be town doing this.

Ok i will defer to you and FL's read on Pine as i have no experience with the slot.
Still not a fan of their playstyle.

[Thestatusquo]

Maybe something meant something else.