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Post Post #825 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:17 am

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Post Post #826 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:27 am

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I dislike RCE's catchup because I think a shotcall of me/Datisi/DV requires moonlogic to reach. Dislike how hard he comes in to white knight Adorable AFTER THE FACT. Dislike how he calls both me/DV scum early, backtracks, but the only focuses on DV's push on Adorable and ignores me/peta doing the same thing. Selective reading, selective pressure. A lot of his questions feels like peppering people with stuff that looks like gamesolving but is actually just content for the sake of content.

I have no idea why RCE chose to selectively ISO the slots he chose to iso. I guess it's possible this all came from town, but it all feels so scattershot and randomly selected rather than a thorough scrubbing of the game. Like I can't help but read RCE's catchup as one with an agenda in mind. I don't know what the agenda is. A lot of this is paranoid feelings, probably.

@RCE: Can you shed any light into why you specifically chose to ISO xof/Sirius and nobody else? Can you shed light into why you pushed DV on his questioning of Adorable, but not me/peta?
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Post Post #827 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:10 am

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God, do I really only have 8 posts? Well, now I feel bad. I know I'm a less talkative player, but damn I didn't realize it was that drastic. Good news though, I think I've fixed my sleep schedule so I'll actually have time to really get into things.
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Post Post #828 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:59 am

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Mostly DV was the first person around to interact with and answer some questions.

Peta had a whole different approach to adorable as a whole with thoughtful questioning that wasn't aimed at catching adorable out but getting them to better articulate the points they were making. It's much the same way I would approach a slot that could just be town drowning but if scum would probably make it obvious.

It took awhile to get there, I didn't really like the push initially but made sense the more I read. Peta had this moment that said yeah adorable is probably town based on the responses he pulled from poking adorable

DV kind of let up only after Peta decided he'd seen enough and I'd expect scum to kind of take that indicator and find a better elim to push for with the adorable pressure breaking down. You (Reck) doubled down without the backup of the original pushers which Indicates at least some(?) Kind of conviction in the read. I can't rule out Scum!Reck off of that but it's something at least.

Sirius/Xof were just low posters, being time strapped the idea was to get through the shorter isos first.
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Post Post #829 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:01 am

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RCE's entrance is actually really decent one. It sucks that he's replacing into a slot that is just so empty, and a game that is so lethargic. But also, guys, we have 3 days and there is a single wagon, the fuck are we doing? We all need to step it up.
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In post 608, xofelf wrote:
In post 282, Datisi wrote:ydrasse, deas, the council has asked if you can put down a vote or something i dunno.
In post 262, xofelf wrote:Datisi, I was waiting for Ari to actually respond to my question before I explained more on how he feels off, and he's still not done so which is rather annoying. I have liked what you've been giving, but you do feel like you're a little overanxious here bud. Idk if that's your usual gig or not, but I don't really think it's anything AI.
why did you bring it up, if you don't think it's ai?
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it's not ai. it stems from me absolutely hating being executed and trying to be townread, regardless of my alignment. also i'm an anxious person in general. up to the reader to determine if it's town or scum anxiety, i guess.

and it's two games actually, the second one being haunted village, but i barely played in both those games, so.
Ah, okay. That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification :)

Wait, you were in haunted village? I never register alts and hydras to a person for whatever reason.
In post 761, Datisi wrote:@xof, where did that read on bulge come from, you didn't mention it before? also how is that bigger post working out?
Honestly that's pure Ceph. I personally forgot Bulge was in the game he had made such a null impression on me, but Ceph had brought it up so I mentioned it, that's really it. And well, the post I made last time was partly it? I really just want to look over everybody again and give impressions I get as I do, but uh, my schedule has been fucked lately where other priorities came first, BUT I woke up early today, I'll definitely have time, the question is always will I have effort.
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In post 608, xofelf wrote:I said I don't *think* it's AI, was sorta hoping for clarification from you or people who know you better than I do about whether or not that's just you as a person or how you play games. I think you and I have played only the one game together(it's possibly two and I suck at remembering), and I was in a hydra in that one so I wasn't working nearly so hard to notice things and get reactions. Your posting since has sorta calmed down in a way that does tell me it might just be how you start games traditionally.
Datisi was also in a hydra in the Haunted Village game you played a while back, and he was scum! See if that changes your impression of him in any way.
It doesn't actually. I know how I play is markedly different when I'm in a hydra and when I'm not. Since I have people to be actively discussing things with and getting reads from, what I post and how changes accordingly. And a lot of people work that way. But thanks for pointing it out :)

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In post 608, xofelf wrote:Sure, I'll go dig out the posts in question. I don't typically link to specific posts as my reading of a person or slot is done holistically and more of an overall tone than specifics, but I can dig out the specific posts I was talking about.
....which I realize that I just misread who Summer was talking about so she didn't actually flipflop on Bulge like I thought I read when she was talking to Datisi when I made up this post so uh nope, that's a bad. Maybe I do need to always link to posts if I think I see something D:
I like that you're writing this post in-real-time like this. I think the misinterpretation is NAI but this realisation in this manner is slightly towny.
Thanks, that's typically how I do catchups and reads. It's how I'm thinking and in order as much as possible.
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In post 608, xofelf wrote:Do you have to use a nickname and not her username? I get it's cuz of the avatar but for whatever reason you say Puff and my brain goes "but Pinkball's not in this game? who are you talking about???" every time.
But that aside, I didn't like 157 cuz at the time it happened Datisi's interactions with adorable made sense to me, like he voted a slot he thought was doing confusing things. Just all of his interaction made sense to me, so it felt really weird. But also it felt like the kind of things you would say if you were trying to give an example to a less experienced scumplayer to follow. That hey, if you interact more here, you can make Datisi look worse perhaps and you look better. It might just be Summer is a helpful person in general. Just it all pinged really poorly for me.
Idk, I think Puff is a much better name for her than Adorable, I like the sound of it.
Regarding that Summer post, don't you think it'd be much better suited to the scum PT if its aim is to give Puff some advice or something to follow? I agree that the take itself is a little too tinfoily for my tastes though; the Datisi interaction read fine to me.
Puff is growing on me, much like a fungus, so it's fine I guess. I mean maybe it would be better for a scum PT, but I guess I've been so rarely inside of one that I don't really recall anyone using a scum PT in that way to consider that.
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In post 608, xofelf wrote:@Ari, yes your wallposts did help. Though idk, still felt really weird. Like you coming in with your big wall was all performative. And that's really what my initial you felt off came from. Maybe you're doing your you want people to think the best of you schtick, but it felt saccharine in a bad way. In a no "look see, I'm sweet innocent Ari, I promise!" way. You do raise some really good points and I don't think the content is completely bad. You've moved to null for now. There's just something man. It's not that you don't read genuine this time, it's rather I don't quite get how you're reaching some of the conclusions you are. Then again, I have to remember, you always want to see the best in people always, so your conclusions follow the same sort of logic.(I learned a lot about how you think and why during your video confessionals, see!). But I definitely don't like you comparing my lack of activity to beeboy's. I've posted shit and been trying to contribute in the way that I can. Beeboy has done nothing at all so even putting us in the same basket I don't like.
I like this assessment, seems genuine
That's cuz it is ;)
In post 780, RCEnigma wrote:Xofelf -

I don't really have a lot to glean from this iso. More questions for xofelf than commentary on play or anything alignment leaning.
I prefer questions anyways, so this works out for me.

In post 780, RCEnigma wrote: - An actual hot take and for a second I considered this could be a real possibility, less so for summer bringing adorable up a lot but for Adorable largely ignoring Summer flat out. They show up in Adorables town reads later (?) I think, which lends a little more to this take. I'm not sold on it but I do want to prod xofelf more here.
Prod me in what way?
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In post 597, xofelf wrote:Sure, scum may be more likely to complain about it. But
Reck
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Ok but what is your read on Reck independent of his complaints?
Reck is one of my townreads. Pretty sure I said that in a later post, but if not, I'll say so. I just like what he's putting out, I like that we are thinking similarly on a lot of things. And he's not doing or saying anything which makes me feel weird about him.
In post 780, RCEnigma wrote: - I'm going through this iso and kind of just nodding along with Hectics questioning. I guess what I would add on here is, do you believe summer would be more willing to coach adorable in thread when they could get more benefit from pt discussion?
Also in a hypothetical where adorable flips town how do you feel about summer defending adorable in that moment?
As I said above to Hectic, it is a valid point that a PT discussion would be much better. It just felt like coaching is all I can say. In that hypothetical though, it does change how I feel about Summer actually. And tbh, more of Summer's posts have felt okay since my initial read. Adorable not so much, but Summer at least feels consistent even if I don't always agree with her. What she says doesn't conflict or feel like moonlogic.
In post 780, RCEnigma wrote:There isn't a lot of substance to the ari read but it's a gutread so that's fine I guess, or any of the reads given. But I do like the back and forth with Hectic and the willingness to concede that their premise was flawed regarding Summer instead of doubling down to fit their read.
Unless I'm basing reads on things from my team, all my reads are gutreads. That's just me as a player. Sometimes there's actual conflicting posts, but that's a rarity for me to notice. I don't think I've double-downed on a stance I've had unless I've had concrete evidence, and there is none so far here.
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In post 703, xofelf wrote:I also hate this case on Datisi cuz I really like Datisi's posting and feel really good about him, he's one of my top townreads atm.
What changed here from your earlier null pings?
Just the way he explained what I was reading from him before changed the null to positive, as well as the fact that he's been one of the most consistent in trying to engage in the game. I honestly think that in a game this stagnant scum benefits so much more from nothing happening in the game, and that feels like a point in his favour. I just get this sense that he's genuinely trying to sort this game in spite of the slow crawl.
In post 780, RCEnigma wrote:I guess that can wait for the in depth reads when that comes.
Overall as null as it gets, the adorable/summer take reads genuine and is the kind of paranoid line of thinking that I generally gravitate towards as town. Would love some real time with this slot though.
I can't promise you'll get much real time with me, while I do tend to read to be up to date on things, I don't tend to do actual real-time as reading games and responding to games take two separate amounts of effort, and I'm usually high up on the reading part and less so on the responding.

More posts later, I have an LSG to review.
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Post Post #830 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:47 am

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In post 829, xofelf wrote:RCE's entrance is actually really decent one. It sucks that he's replacing into a slot that is just so empty, and a game that is so lethargic. But also, guys, we have 3 days and there is a single wagon, the fuck are we doing? We all need to step it up.
not sure what the point of saying this is when you had 8 posts and haven't voted anyone
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Post Post #831 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:52 am

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I did vote somebody. Apparently my vote isn't listed anymore? I don't recall unvoting either.
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Post Post #832 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:58 am

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i guess the mod missed it, so that point doesn't hold, but it was quite a long time ago (having your votes on a separate line probably helps)

still, it feels like a statement someone who is trying to look town makes
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Post Post #833 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:20 am

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In post 829, xofelf wrote:But also, guys, we have 3 days and there is a single wagon, the fuck are we doing?
Do you feel like doing DV?
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Post Post #834 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:20 am

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It's DGB's idea, not mine, but I'm now into it.
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Post Post #835 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:25 am

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hey?? did you know?? i hate this game???? you probably did.
In post 818, RCEnigma wrote:@Datisi, menalque has a dated read since he hasn't read for awhile but he liked you early for the adorable push and you two mindmelded on hectic/reck as tvt when it happened.to a lesser degree he liked the bulge push since he caught a scummy vibe but wolfdance redux makes him hesitate on it (I don't know if that means something).
i have an idea what wolfdance redux might mean, i'm not 100% but also i don't think it matters too much anyway.

vc 1.9 has like, a decent number of mistakes? iirc peta and reck are not voting, and xof is voting adorable? in any case, rce is at 4.

annoyed at xof complaining about the lack of wagons when they've been sitting on a vanity since page... whatever. though i feel like that's half the game at this point.

@xof, i indeed was in haunted village, and am trying to forget that game. mafia pro-tip, if you're busy, do not hydra with someone who is also busy, thinking that the two of you will manage to find the time for the game and "cover for each other". just... do not.

peta, reck, both of you unvoted rce but are still suspecting him. i think it's about time to either vote him or find a new wagon.

pedit: and this is the part of the post where i was gonna
make myself obvious as the rce buddy trying to counterwagon last minute
ask if anyone is interested in the bulge flashwagon, but creature has a different spicy proposal.

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Post Post #836 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:42 am

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In post 828, RCEnigma wrote:Mostly DV was the first person around to interact with and answer some questions.

Peta had a whole different approach to adorable as a whole with thoughtful questioning that wasn't aimed at catching adorable out but getting them to better articulate the points they were making. It's much the same way I would approach a slot that could just be town drowning but if scum would probably make it obvious.

It took awhile to get there, I didn't really like the push initially but made sense the more I read. Peta had this moment that said yeah adorable is probably town based on the responses he pulled from poking adorable

DV kind of let up only after Peta decided he'd seen enough and I'd expect scum to kind of take that indicator and find a better elim to push for with the adorable pressure breaking down. You (Reck) doubled down without the backup of the original pushers which Indicates at least some(?) Kind of conviction in the read. I can't rule out Scum!Reck off of that but it's something at least.

Sirius/Xof were just low posters, being time strapped the idea was to get through the shorter isos first.
I feel like you're reading the exact opposite behaviors from myself and peta and coming to the conclusion that both are town, and I just don't understand it.
The peta/DV thing makes since if, and only if, you're starting from the assumption that petapan is town in that exchange.

So basically to restate what I am hearing: you think peta is town because he backed off Adorable before anyone else did?
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Post Post #837 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:44 am

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In post 835, Datisi wrote:peta, reck, both of you unvoted rce but are still suspecting him. i think it's about time to either vote him or find a new wagon.
??? I unvoted him less than 24 hours ago at peta's prodding to give RCE time to keep catching up
I made a post less than 12 hours ago explaining my hesitance on RCE and asking him for a response

what do you mean it's "about time"?
this is really weirdly theatrical and OTT imo
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Post Post #838 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:44 am

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slash feels weird to lump me in with peta there
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Post Post #839 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:46 am

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DV wagon would be hella bad
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Post Post #840 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:47 am

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it's been 11 days. the only two things that i can remember happening in this game at this point is me/bulge argument (that nobody seems to be even reading) and the whatever-wagon on beeboy. we have 3 days left. with how slow the game's been, if we wanna run up someone else, we need to start now.

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Post Post #841 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:50 am

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In post 835, Datisi wrote:hey?? did you know?? i hate this game???? you probably did.
why is everyone writing these scummy lines all of a sudden
In post 835, Datisi wrote:peta, reck, both of you unvoted rce but are still suspecting him. i think it's about time to either vote him or find a new wagon.
i'm still roughly ~fine with the vote but have been waiting and on...something, i guess, since people kept promising to provide input later but not doing it.

also was maybe hoping to hear from my teammates but it's been radio silence lol
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Post Post #842 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:51 am

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In post 835, Datisi wrote:creature, sell me on deas?
last i saw you were still leaning town on deasvail so what's up with this
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Post Post #843 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:54 am

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In post 841, petapan wrote:i'm still roughly ~fine with the vote but have been waiting and on...something, i guess, since people kept promising to provide input later but not doing it.
that's the issue. we're all waiting around for ~something~. and the deadline is ticking down.
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In post 835, Datisi wrote:creature, sell me on deas?
last i saw you were still leaning town on deasvail so what's up with this
/shrug. a stellar case could make me vote there. even if not, i still want to actually hear at least some of the thought process that's going on in creature's head.
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Post Post #844 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:57 am

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I mean you're not the only one

Nobody is interested in my Ari push

I have xof/DV/sirius as toptown still and am not interested there. followed by datisi/hectic.

RCEnigma is still the leading wagon based off his predecessor's lurking mostly?

There's something about this Bulge wagon I can't put my finger on. On one hand, I would be interested in yeeting Bulge (but am probably being too pussyfooted about it bc I'm worried ab being confbiased since we just wrapped up a game where I called Bulge as my secret scumread from early on)... on the other hand, BOTH peta/Datisi being on that wagon feels...incongruent. IDK. I have such a stronger townlean on Datisi than I do peta, and peta is the one who is still "fine" with a RCE yeet despite like pushing me a bit to get off the wagon which feels hypocritical.

I'm gonna sound the alarm for a full team pile on looking at this game, it's only 34 pgs, to help break some of this gridlock in my skull. I'm probably wrong, statistically, about at least one town read, and it's probably someone in my blind spot

p.edit: i mean, i'm personally waiting on bulge's "reset and reevaluate" post ig?
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Post Post #845 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:59 am

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In post 835, Datisi wrote:hey?? did you know?? i hate this game???? you probably did.
I feel the same especially considering how damn slow this game is. Any time I try to townread someone it feels like they're intentionally contributing to contribute to a minimum.
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Post Post #846 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:00 am

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In post 835, Datisi wrote:creature, sell me on deas?
I need to check with DGB. By myself I have no idea how to read DeasVail.
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Post Post #847 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:01 am

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In post 845, Creature wrote:
In post 835, Datisi wrote:hey?? did you know?? i hate this game???? you probably did.
I feel the same especially considering how damn slow this game is. Any time I try to townread someone it feels like they're intentionally contributing to contribute to a minimum.
Jesus I need to proofread my posts before posting them
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Post Post #848 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:03 am

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In post 724, DeasVail wrote:RCE I'm really sorry but you're looking very scum right now.
DGB thinks this is scummy and feels like Deas knows RCE is town
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Post Post #849 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:04 am

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