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Post Post #925  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:45 pm

In post 923, RCEnigma wrote:I don't think it's that unlikely to be rbed or even have a scum doc/jk and thought about fake claiming at least the n1 part of my role but that likely gets me miselimmed anyway.

I don't think my elim is more informed than any other elim in the pl especially considering every other slot has been around since game start. But I'd also elim my slot through the claim so it's unfortunate.

It's informed based on beeboy scummeta

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Post Post #926  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:49 pm

rce do you have thoughts on summer?
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Post Post #927  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:50 pm

Do you agree with what I'm saying, Datisi?

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Post Post #928  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:52 pm

That doesn't have anything to do with me so, no defense I guess?

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Post Post #929  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:55 pm

Think about it like this:

Let's say on average, each game has one 100% confirmable town role, whether that be a friendly neighbour or a vigilante.

A 1/13 that you roll it when you play a normal game of mafia

You have to believe that this confirmable town role just so happened to fall into the doomed slot that has close to no chance of surviving with no counterwagons

Now, are we just extremely lucky (or unlucky) that that role just so happened to fall into the hands of the slot everyone thought was scum and were okay with launching on day 1?

OR is it just scum claiming whatever they want to stay alive for a night? Just based on statistics alone, this is like 90% a scumslot. When you account for the actual reasons this slot is being wagoned, I'm very confident it's scum

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Post Post #930  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:56 pm

In post 928, RCEnigma wrote:That doesn't have anything to do with me so, no defense I guess?

Yeah, sorry. Just part of the game.

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Post Post #931  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:56 pm

In post 907, Datisi wrote:
In post 759, RCEnigma wrote:Not gonna lie it's rough forcing myself to put out content if I'm the defacto elim and the reads won't be heard much next day phase anyway.

open question to the table: does a PR, specifically a n1 vig, ever say this line?

I wonder if this is the time we lynch a PR claim anyway because the claim itself is too scummy to ever be left to resolve...
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Post Post #932  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:57 pm

tbh I kinda had Summer Nights as scum, but I'm kinda iffy considering she is the counterwagon to a very scummy claim.
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Post Post #933  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:57 pm

In post 922, Augustus Caesar wrote:
In post 918, Summer Nights wrote:sorry, i’ve been really disengaged/burned out on playing mafia lately and haven’t given this a lot of attention (nor has my team), i just got home but if there’s anything anyone wants me to respond to specifically/answer/etc i can do tonight. i guess it’s kinda shitty to just expect that i can be like.. left to reorient myself after someone flipped but that’s what my mindset was lately . i’ll try to get out some stuff for you guys

I want you to drop a song which represents the vibe of this game

and then I want you to drop another song which represents YOUR vibes at that current time

I have a perfect viberead accuracy rate based on this technique, so I'll be able to lock-something you soon enough

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these aren't based on lyrical content really just the mood i feel





second one is also one of my favorite songs, ever, so sharing it is always nice and also maybe a little relatable wrt the first bit

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Post Post #934  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:58 pm

Almost none Datisi. I though xofelfs theory was interesting. Would it make sense for scum!summer to hard defend town!adorable in that position? Yes probably though xofelf admitted it wasn't as extreme as they thought initially.

The summer/Datisi part of peta's case is partly meta based, that doesn't really away me. Datisi do you know how summer regards your town/ scum games? Is the paranoia warranted?

They haven't been around since I repped in so I don't have a decent read there..... But if they're the elim over me I'm not that against it.

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Post Post #935  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:58 pm

In post 917, DeasVail wrote:People I don't want to elim today:

Sirius, Aristophanes, Creature, xofelf, Adorable, xRECKONERx, RCEnigma (there's no real point in an elimination here right now to be honest, regardless of read on the slot)

The rest are potential options in my mind.

Summer Nights is the slot that I feel most indifferent about right now. Pushing there is kind of low value because she's not even really here, but it also feels like the most comfortable place for a vote. And peta voting there is eerie because it was the first thought in my mind when I unvoted as well and a lot of the reasons he has put forward are similar to what I have been thinking.

VOTE: Summer Nights

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Post Post #936  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:58 pm

In post 933, Summer Nights wrote:songs

Alright, let me VIBECHECK this real quick

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Post Post #937  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:59 pm

In post 920, Augustus Caesar wrote:I refuse to believe that RCE happens to be an extremely confirmable town role, and on night 1 no less, and beeboy played like that while having this fairly stress-free and easy to play town role, while RCE said he was demotivated to play because he'll be launched anyway while having a role like that

I think this is just scum buying a day and we still launch this

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Post Post #938  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:00 pm

from my pov of course im going to say we should elim rce but like, beyond that the claim is like... literally the most convenient thing someone could claim and has too many feasible ways to be countered by mafia even if town for us to come to a conclusion on and then we'd just be stuck with a slot that no one can ever like... trust basically? like, what are we going to do if rce claims roleblocked or s/t like... we still go through that elim

idk worst case he is actually a vig which like, sucks for us but the claim alone esp in that slot feels like... what are the odds that the one wagon throws that at us when its coming up to eod

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Post Post #939  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:00 pm

yeah basically what everyone said but that's my thoughts on it

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Post Post #940  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:02 pm

In post 929, Augustus Caesar wrote:Think about it like this:

Let's say on average, each game has one 100% confirmable town role, whether that be a friendly neighbour or a vigilante.

A 1/13 that you roll it when you play a normal game of mafia

You have to believe that this confirmable town role just so happened to fall into the doomed slot that has close to no chance of surviving with no counterwagons

Now, are we just extremely lucky (or unlucky) that that role just so happened to fall into the hands of the slot everyone thought was scum and were okay with launching on day 1?

OR is it just scum claiming whatever they want to stay alive for a night? Just based on statistics alone, this is like 90% a scumslot. When you account for the actual reasons this slot is being wagoned, I'm very confident it's scum

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A.) 50% of guessing is being 60% wrong

2.) I made up most of those numbers because they aren't relevant

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Post Post #941  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:02 pm

VOTE: RCEnigma

atp this slot is a liability
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Post Post #942  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:02 pm

also wrt the adorable thing i dont know how to word it and my brains lackign the energy to translate it into like, mafiaspeak but i literally just look at her posts and see town, shes so like... this is rude but it's awkward and stilted and yeah like maybe im being dumb and fooled about it but i dont get what she gets out of like... anything that shes done this game if shes scum, like, her team is actively taking part to help her and stuff so surely theyd be able to have a better like, agenda.

idk maybe thats expecting too much and shes just trying to look townie /shrug but i dont think thats the case and i just. i stare at her posts think "town" and thats baout as deep as that goes

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Post Post #943  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:03 pm

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If you ask Rick Astley for his copy of the movie 'Up', he can not give it to you as he will never give you up.
However, by refusing to do so, he lets you down.
Thus creating the Astley Paradox.
*glares at Sirius*Well played my friend, well played. - Aristophanes

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Post Post #944  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:03 pm

thats also the easiest thing for me to remember about this game bc that was when i was most engaged and the rest of this feels like static in my brain

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Post Post #945  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:03 pm

In post 940, RCEnigma wrote:A.) 50% of guessing is being 60% wrong

2.) I made up most of those numbers because they aren't relevant

The point I'm making is evident

It's not a coincidence you're claiming a n1 vig as a doomed slot

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Post Post #946  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:06 pm

It's not an uncommon occurrence for a non playing slot to be run up. It's also not an uncommon occurrence for a non playing slot to roll a pr. Regardless of confirmability or not (since we don't know the setup).

Adding "but beeboy could only be scum" to back of both of those facts doesn't make it true or more accurate.

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Post Post #947  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:07 pm

I had a stroke at the end of that last sentence. I mean about the opinion that these events are a coincidence.

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Post Post #948  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:08 pm

I think if you'd claimed a moderate PR that can't be confirmed, you still get launched. It's not the question of being a PR at all, it's the fact you claimed one of the only ones that would buy you a night (which on average you find 1 of in a normal game of mafia)

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Post Post #949  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:09 pm

the point though is that you have perhaps the most like... stally, convenient claim you could have tho

maybe it is really bad luck for you but i really just dont think thats the case, my gut went 'nope'
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