Gypyx's Large Normal Review, January 2021

[Gypyx]

so, i'm really attached to these following roles, and tried to make my design around them :

Vengeful Combined Babysitter Vigilante
having the traitor in a hood with the scumteam

and for the 21p :


Personal Gunsmith
and if the serial killer could stay relatively untouched i'd be great

of course all depends on which setup y'all think is better

[Gypyx]

that's the point yes

you feel like this would be a bad thing?

[Gypyx]

basically i wanted a traitor because it would be interesting to have a "weaker" mafia member, but the main, and legitimate reason that peoples dislike traitor is that they can't communicate with the team, so the hood is meant to fix that

[Gypyx]

hmmm, i could do traitor mailman if you feel like the current situation is too far from normal expectations

do you prefere any of the 2 sizes btw?

[Gypyx]

there's already the traitor / vcop hood, you'd want more?

[Gypyx]

traitor is still a gunless mafioso basically, as i said, traitor not being able to communicate to the team usually causes more angriness than anything

[Gypyx]

hmm... didn't think that this was how compulsive works, but if it is i'm definetly happy to implement it that way

i'm off to sleep, will think about setup changes once awake

[Gypyx]

basically, babysitter vigilante cancels each other out as a babysitter protects from one kill, but when they die, they will also kill whoever they were targeting

[Gypyx]

the disloyal babysitter is a little rough because it gives a double kill in a normal for mafia possibly.

well yeah, i'm using it as a compensating measure for a mafia being nk'd, you think that's bad?

[Gypyx]

hmmm.. alright that's fair

[Gypyx]

Town Day 1 IC Personal Gunsmith
Town PT Cop
Town Loud Vanilla Cop Neighbor (a)
Town Vengeful Combined Babysitter Vigilante
Town 3-shot Loyal Checker
Town Neighborizer (c)
Town Macho Doctor
vt*9

Mafia Ascetic
Mafia Annoucing Jailkeeper
Mafia Multiasking Detective
Mafia Bulletproof Compulsive Ninja Checker Neighbor (a)

Serial Killer Multitasking Roleblocker Rolestopper 1-shot Commuter

so, here's setup with the problems you pointed out removed

[Gypyx]

Detective can check whether or not someone has attempter to perform a kill, correct? So if they target the babysitter vigilante they should get a positive result here, which I kind of like anyways.

indeed, and it also checks as having a gun to gunsmith

[Gypyx]

it's a personal gunsmith, so it wouldn't get guiltied anyways

[Gypyx]

i mean, i meant to design it this way so i hope it comes together yeah lol

[Gypyx]

anyways, now that we've solved the normalcy part, how do you guys feel about the balance?

[Gypyx]

still hesitating between the sizes btw, like i think it's really neat to have an sk's who's fragile but has lot of control on the actions, but that's maybe not the best in terms of swing?

Spoiler: 17p version

Town Vengeful Combined Babysitter Vigilante
Town Odd-night PT Cop
Town Macho Rolestopper
Town Neighborizer (c)
Town Neighbor Loud Vanilla Cop (a)
Town Friendly Neighbor
Vt*7

Mafia Ascetic
Mafia 2-shot jailkeeper
Mafia Babysitter Enabler
Mafia Informed Compulsive Checker Neighbor (there is a "Combined Babysitter Vigilante" in the game) (a)

Spoiler: 21p Version

Town Day 1 IC Personal Gunsmith
Town PT Cop
Town Loud Vanilla Cop Neighbor (a)
Town Vengeful Combined Babysitter Vigilante
Town Even-Night Rolecop
Town Neighborizer (c)
Town Macho Doctor

Mafia Ascetic
Mafia Jailkeeper
Mafia Multitasking Detective
Mafia Bulletproof Compulsive Checker

Serial Killer Multitasking Roleblocker Rolestopper 1-shot Commuter

did my best to simplify it, but like, kinda feeling like all there is remaining is an essential part of the setup

[Gypyx]

let's go for 17p then

not any key reason for hiding it, i like giving scum a bit of guessing to do

[Gypyx]

but yeah, that's why I'm okay with it as is because that's a strong role.

uh, what is the strong role exactly?

[Gypyx]

I just know if I was informed of that, and saw them get claimed, I'd naturally want to push them as scum, so it almost feels like a possible punish for good play, but that could just be a personal thing

well i think it's quite possible that they are more careful about it being a vengeful as well, given that i have been showed to like that role and that thier info leaves room for that

plus even then, i feel like it's fine if this happens

[Gypyx]

Town Vengeful Combined Babysitter Vigilante
Town Odd-night PT Cop
Town Macho Rolestopper
Town Neighborizer (c)
Town Neighbor Loud Vanilla Cop (a)
Town Friendly Neighbor
Town 3-shot Annoucing Voyeur
VT*6

Mafia Ascetic
Mafia 2-shot jailkeeper
Mafia Babysitter Enabler
Mafia Informed Compulsive Checker Neighbor (all babysitters in this game are Combined Vigilante Babysitters. All vigilantes in this game are Combined Vigilante Babysitters)
(a)

[Gypyx]

how about that?

[Gypyx]

How does an enabler for a combined role work? Does it shutdown the entire role if it dies, or just alter it?

it just alters the enabled part right? at least that's the idea i had behind the role

[Gypyx]

I think it's the former.

Looking at all 3 setups you've designed, I think your modmeta is such that a vanilla cop is the same thing as a neapolitan in your setups. Which is maybe more town power than ideal, here, actually..

well, that pretty much was the point yes, it's also enhanced by the loud modifier, and in the original setup, the fact that all scum were neighbors

should maybe change that part too then?

[Gypyx]

i'm sensing a theme around simplifying here

and to be fair i had one mafia goon once !

...

ok fine i'll simplify, will probably try to tweak the setup around a bit more tbh

[Gypyx]

I kinda think you could do well modding a theme game, if you haven't already, with the same type of mentality that you bring to the normal games, just don't have to limit for normalcy (should still go for balance of course)

eh idk, like, i don't feel like that style of setup is what the theme queue is for, and i already have something in that queue yeah

alright so, goons, rework the Vcop, anything more?

[Gypyx]

Town Vengeful Combined Babysitter Vigilante
Town Odd-night PT Cop
Town Macho Rolestopper
Town Informed * 2 (you know that both you and *player* are town informed, who are informed of each other being aligned with the town)
Town 2-shot Announcing Voyeur
VT*7

Mafia Goon * 2
Mafia Babysitter Enabler
Mafia Informed Compulsive Jailkeeper(all babysitters in this game are Combined Vigilante Babysitters. All vigilantes in this game are Combined Vigilante Babysitters)
(a)

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think that this is a good sidestep from the problematic aspects, although quite big, does this seem good? (testing around)

[Gypyx]

yeah but idk, i really like this style of games, and i don't think it fits in the theme queue

sorry for making y'all go through this lol

[Gypyx]

yep best friends, thought it was okay, like, it's a named role, very similar to a normal one, plus speechless masons went well with gunless goon i felt

is balance okay though? i have some worries and idk how powerful masons really are, so it's hard to evaluate
plus, way weirder shit has been passed before imo, so unless you are trying to make the normal queue more "normal" (which is fine, and i'm ready to adapt to that) all this is pretty acceptable

[Gypyx]

alright cool, i'll do the roles PM when i can then (do you also approve isis btw?)

[Gypyx]

Town vengeful combined vigilante babysitter

Welcome ! You are a

Town Vengeful Combined Vigilante Babysitter

if you are executed, you may kill someone during twilight

you may each night target someone, you will both
- kill them
- protect them from one kill attempt, but if you died while
protecting someone, the person you protected will die too

You win if the town survives to see all of the threats to them dead, you may find the game thread here

town odd-night PT cop

Welcome ! You are a

Town Odd-Night PT cop

On Odd-Nights (night 1,3,5...) you may check if someone has access to a private topic

You win if the town survives to see all of the threats to them dead, you may find the game thread here

*PLAYER* has access to a private topic

*PLAYER* doesn't have access to a private topic

you didn't receive any result, your action failed

Town Macho Rolestopper

Welcome ! You are a

Town Macho Rolestopper

You may each night target someone, you will make every action targeting that player fail

You may not be protected from kills

You win if the town survives to see all of the threats to them dead, you may find the game thread here

Town Informed

Welcome ! You are a

Town Informed

You know that both you and *PLAYER* have the "town informed" role, and are informed of each other being aligned with the town, this information will be redacted upon your flip

You win if the town survives to see all of the threats to them dead, you may find the game thread here

Town 2-shot announcing Voyeur

Welcome ! You are a

Town 2-shot annoucing Voyeur

you may twice during the game, at night target someone, you will learn the NAR classification of every action that has targeted your target this night
Your target will be informed that a Voyeur action has been performed on them

You win if the town survives to see all of the threats to them dead, you may find the game thread here

The following type of actions have been performed on your target *LIST OF ACTIONS*

no other action has been performed on your target

you have been targeted by a Voyeur ability

Vanilla townie

Welcome ! You are a

Vanilla Townie

You have no power other than your voice and your vote

You win if the town survives to see all of the threats to them dead, you may find the game thread here

Mafia Goon

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Goon

You are a member of the mafia, the other members are *list of mafia*

You may find the mafia PT here, you may also each night choose to perform the factional kill

You win if the Mafia has full control of the game or nothing can stop that from happening, you may find the game thread here

Mafia babysitter enabler

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Babysitter Enabler

You are a member of the mafia, the other members are *list of mafia*

You may find the mafia PT here, you may also each night choose to perform the factional kill

upon your death, all babysitter roles will stop working

You win if the Mafia has full control of the game or nothing can stop that from happening, you may find the game thread here

Mafia informed compulsive jailkeeper

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Informed Compulsive Jailkeeper

You are a member of the mafia, the other members are *list of mafia*

You may find the mafia PT here

You

must

each night jailkeep someone, this will roleblock and protect them from kills, as well as confirming, please send an ordered list of everyone to the moderator, in the case that you fail to submit this action, the highest alive player on this list will be jailkept (you may update it at any time)

you know that all babysitters in this game are Combined Vigilante Babysitters. All vigilantes in this game are Combined Vigilante Babysitters, this information will be redacted upon your flip

You win if the Mafia has full control of the game or nothing can stop that from happening, you may find the game thread here

[Gypyx]

alright cool, how does role PMs look?

[Gypyx]

JKer protects from only 1 kill attempt also?

[Gypyx]

but yeah he would

[Gypyx]

yeah i figured, thx

[Gypyx]

oh interesting

maybe it would be better to make it the same everywhere but ok xd

[Gypyx]

it's 17p actually

[Gypyx]

good for release