TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[Datisi]

woo!

VOTE: sirius

[Datisi]

VOTE: sirius

the coveted 4th vote

a great player once told me that a 4th vote on a wagon is always town. i don't know if that's true, but i'll pretend to believe it anyway. +town.

I have rolled town

Ohey me too!
Who is the scums?

i don't like this. it feels like a weird mixture of rvs joking and early-game conversation-starting, except it doesn't exactly read as joking and ari obviously doesn't care about the answer.

i like 50 and 51 from augustus, even though i'm not sure if i agree with like, anything he's said there. the "scraping the bottom of the barrel" comment is giving me vague positive feelings. yes, i understand that's very within his scumrange.

damn it paratisi why are you starting a wagon on me

VOTE: paratisi / datisi

that's the closest i can get to starting a wagon on iconeum this game ;_;

also liking deasvail. i have a feeling scum is more likely to open with a joke / rvs or something, while deas got staight into solving.

I also saw that he gave a town read so fast and how is he able to have a town read so fast when it hasn't been longer than 24 hours.

this strikes... fake? why *wouldn't* you be able to have a townread less than 24 hours in?

VOTE: adorable

[Datisi]

?

why are you asking *me* a maths question?

[Datisi]

oh, silly me. apologies, grumpy. *pat*

why do you get the impression that ari doesn't like standing out as scum?

[Datisi]

I have rolled town

Ohey me too!
Who is the scums?

i don't like this. it feels like a weird mixture of rvs joking and early-game conversation-starting, except it doesn't exactly read as joking and ari obviously doesn't care about the answer.

You are absolutely correct, I obviously don't care about the answer on pg 1 from someone who has said they are busy and whatnot lol

What reads wrong about it to you?

the fact that it was asked on page 1, and a decently uneventful page 1. like, i dunno. what were you expecting? why did you only ask creature that?

[Datisi]

is it? i've certainly never heard of it.

[Datisi]

do you have any feels yet, ari?

[Datisi]

@Datisi Town doesn't know each other and they don't know who is scum. For me it takes around 48-72 hours to get a town read.

i'm aware how the game of mafia works. why are early townreads suspicious? how long does it take you to get a scumread?

[Datisi]

do you have thoughts on me yet?

[Datisi]

not a fan of the limelight

who's the limelight? peta?

[Datisi]

her being difficult and arguing about this stuff is town-indicative
our records show she's floaty and less antagonistic as scum

can you talk how exactly was she being difficult here? like, she's started "arguing" about it only after i asked?

[Datisi]

hot take: hectic/reck are t/t

Ari my love, why do you feel funny to me? There's this tone underneath your posts that don't quite feel genuine and more performative. Idk if it's AI, I just know unlike usual, reading your posts made my nose wrinkle up.

i think? i feel similar-ish to this? could you talk about this a bit more?

ok like i think i'm getting pinged more by adorable. 122 is kinda vaguely talking about - oh there was a bad meta read once - that doesn't seem to serve any purpose other than being filler. also the question to hectic in 85 doesn't get answered and i don't think she really cares for it? also like bulge's 127.

I did not like the way how you voted me saying I look fake.

why?

- Said Datisi townread on DV is also not the best.

i'm also very interested in this one.

[Datisi]

is there anything that you do like so far, adorable?

is there anything *you* like so far?

[Datisi]

go on.

[Datisi]

I don't necessarily disagree but they ping me as unwarranted and performative.

hmm, is there any elaboration to this?

@hectic, links to adorable town/scum meta you're using here?

pedit: i think bulge was calling my hot take unwarranted and performative, not you/reck.

[Datisi]

i think hectic is town
and i think reck is town
so their spat is t/t

if you're asking *why* i think so, i already gave some thoughts on hectic earlier and he hasn't pinged me in a bad way yet so
reck is some weird lol-gut-townread also i'm vibing with his adorable interactions

hot take doesn't necessarily have to mean "ok wow nobody's ever thought of this ever get ready to have your fuckin mind blown"
it's my way of speaking idk
like i won't just write "hectic/reck t/t" at the beginning of a post without any intro to it you feel

[Datisi]

also, also, also, why did you ask me my takes like... hm. i guess piggybacking off of me trying to engage w adorable to get her to say something she does like this game versus her saying she dislikes a ton of other things? the word that popped into my head was 'deflecting' though idk off of what?

honestly i wasn't thinking if you were asking adorable what she likes vs what she doesn't like or whatever, i just saw you were asking a seemingly random question when you had so far offered no thoughts so i was curious to see if there is anything happening back there

[Datisi]

hi sirius is iv calling me scum yet?

[Datisi]

is your vibe check meter pleased by the explanation in 152?

[Datisi]

my other delusional theory this game so far has to do with an early sirius wagon trying to get him flustered and pushed on

is this a theory about me or about someone else?

@sirius tell me more

pedit: :3

[Datisi]

ah yes, the sirius vote

that was clear rvs, that i slapped down first post in the game, without being able to know if anyone was gonna follow me on it

and that i removed in my next post the next morning

[Datisi]

for me it's that + calling an interaction tvt completely unsolicited when it isn't even really so much a topic of discussion att. it pinged me like a bad faith clickbait headline, jafeel?

there is a specific reason why this reasoning from you is kinda bothering me right now

i'm p sure i did something similar to that in the last game we played in together so i'm not sure why you're having problems with it here?

[Datisi]

well now you're assuming I would remember something like that and that I would care if I did

i thought you'd remember how i started a flashwagon on your scumbuddy

/shrug idunno i thought it would be relevant to bring up if you're thinking i'm scum for something that's nai for me at worst but ok iguess

[Datisi]

are you talking about calling titus/klyne tvt?? that is really not a relevant situation to even be comparing this to. the context within their own games of titus v klyne and that of reck v hectics are wildly different.

i was thinking of calling galaxii scum

[Datisi]

lol woops thought I posted this when I typed it

also, i think that bulge meant that datisi's takes were feeling performative which i did get pinged by too

like framing it as a hot take when i don't think? it's really one was a bit ? to me so i wanna understand

for me it's that + calling an interaction tvt completely unsolicited when it isn't even really so much a topic of discussion att. it pinged me like a bad faith clickbait headline, jafeel?

my "hot take reck/hectic t/t" post is similar in these points as my "hot take galaxii scum" post from that game

- not exactly a "hot" take
- completely unsolicited
- att it wasn't a discussion topic

[Datisi]

ok so same situation I'm talking about because flashwagoning galaxii implies you weren't happy with the leading wagons of titus and klyne. except insisting on looking at it from that angle makes it an even less apt comparison because stating a scumread will almost always be more relevant than stating you think a pair is t/t. and I am really not super concerned with your choice of words, maybe ydra cares more about that, idk.

eh, i felt it was decently similar enough that i don't see why you'd be suspicious of me here but i don't think we're gonna get anything more out of this

Reason why I didn't like the way how you voted me is because this is something I have also seen scum do where they would call a player fake and that's an easy read for scum to give.

The reason why he said your townread on DV was not the best was because he thought scum would be coming in solving as well.

i dunno. like "i don't like the way you voted me because i saw scum call a player fake" and "scum would be solving too" all feel like. spewing theory that maybe is maybe isn't connected to the game and it's being used to force reads. like i don't think i see the theory being ~applied~.

does that make sense? it's 3am.

[Datisi]

@sirius i'm still waiting for the elaboration on gypyx's read on me ok cool

[Datisi]

I was not satisfied with your answer and it didn't make sense to me.

ok. my issue is that you're talking pure "theory". "scum can easily call a player fake." "scum can easily (fake) solve." "scum can make gut reads." those are things that are, in of itself, true. but you're taking them and applying them into "datisi is scum because of those things." (i assume you think i am, considering your vote is on a player that you supposedly townread.) you're talking theory, saying scum "can" do those things - sure, they *can* - and translating that into suspicion on me without looking at things in the context of this game.

the issue is that is a really easy way to fake a scumread. almost anything that people have done so far *can* be done by scum. i feel like you're not looking into ~why~ i did things or how they relate to me in this game or what they actually mean wrt my alignment, you're just slapping on a blanket "oh scum can do these things" read.

[Datisi]

@peta, talk to me about your read on sirius?

[Datisi]

did the read improve or do you just find reck scummier right now?

[Datisi]

if she was scum and adorable was town she knows she could probably push through an elim on adorable given how the spotlight's been there so far

correct me if i'm wrong, but so far, only 2 people have actually said they suspect adorable while even before peta/deas, hectic was defending her. like, this kinda read seems... very premature? because two (2) people have said they're sus of (assume town) adorable, you'd think scum would immediately go trying get that execution, less than 10 pages in?

[Datisi]

eh, i felt it was decently similar enough that i don't see why you'd be suspicious of me here but i don't think we're gonna get anything more out of this

what did you mean when you said it was "bothering" you?

it's like, you're in my townleans atm, but in my mind you disliking those posts is a point against town!you. it's not a particularly strong point, but it's There, like a tiny pebble in my shoe.

if she was scum and adorable was town she knows she could probably push through an elim on adorable given how the spotlight's been there so far

correct me if i'm wrong, but so far, only 2 people have actually said they suspect adorable while even before peta/deas, hectic was defending her. like, this kinda read seems... very premature? because two (2) people have said they're sus of (assume town) adorable, you'd think scum would immediately go trying get that execution, less than 10 pages in?

which 2 people are you talking about here?

me and reck?

[Datisi]

there is a certain amount of disappointment in you only finding me ~kinda~ town.

is there anything more to deas other than some of his words feeling off?

[Datisi]

slaughtering innocent staarling was by far the most difficult thing of that game.

[Datisi]

ok ok ok. first order of business.

@sirius

go ask ico what colour of role pm do i have. and whatever reasoning he has to come along with the answer. ok cool thanks.

[Datisi]

xRECKONERx

(4) - Augustus Caesar, Aristophanes, petapan, Adorable

ok. can we talk about what the utter dumpster fire this wagon is? like, peta's vote on it is the least bad one, and that's saying something. hectic's vote is kinda like. bleh. made in some sorta anger, then getting told by teammates he's overreacting, then just kinda like staying on the wagon. not good but like whatever. i'm still net +town on hectic i'm just saying.

last night, duck was yelling at me for not trying to get aristophanes killed yet. and like i think he's right. ari's vote here boiled down to "reck feels off", when called out on it, ari did a "ok maybe not but whatever" (113). i believe he was asked to elaborate further, and he's just...? dipped the thread??? ok.

i was gonna come in this morning after my 3 and a half hours of sleep and offer a hot take and vote ari but like.

adorable

.

i don't like my 229 ignored. now before you say "adorable didn't see it!!" no no here's the thing. adorable has been brewing a scumread on me for a few posts now. (119, 195, 206, 207) when your scumread, who you believe is pushing a misexe on you, is doing what i'm doing, do you really just ~miss~ it?

now her reasons for scumreading reck boil down to a bunch of nai shit (personality) and his first vote against her. but like. she's been talking about the scumread on me for far longer. now all of a sudden i'm forgotten, and she votes reck? i wonder if the fact that reck was on three votes and i was on zero has anything to do with that.

also also can i just point out how... bad the read on xof is? like, at first it was applying vague mafia theory without looking at the context of the game. but now it's applying *wrong* vague mafia theory. the idea that scum never defend each other is insane and i'm lowkey weirded out nobody's brought this up?

[Datisi]

ydrasse, deas, the council has asked if you can put down a vote or something i dunno.

Datisi, I was waiting for Ari to actually respond to my question before I explained more on how he feels off, and he's still not done so which is rather annoying. I have liked what you've been giving, but you do feel like you're a little overanxious here bud. Idk if that's your usual gig or not, but I don't really think it's anything AI.

why did you bring it up, if you don't think it's ai?

knowing what i know about you i'd volume clear you right now but it still feels too early and if ever there was a game to tryhard as scum it's this one. on content idk right now

are you familiar with my scumgame past marathons? i assume that's where this is coming from

I don’t think that any of Datisi’s posting since has been strongly indicative to me either way, but I’m not overly concerned.

i have a feeling you usually had a read on me by now but maybe my memory is being skewed by the sheer speed of that one game. maybe i'll go check at some point.

[Datisi]

Hectic said he has a tinfoil reason to townlean you and I'll trust him on this. I have been town reading Hectic and he is a really good scum hunter. There are 3 games I played with Hectic where he correctly called out a scum player.

I didn't like how xof said me and Summer are a team and I pretty much said why. This also made me think scum wanted to set up a fake team.

do you plan to just blindly follow hectic the whole game? is your whole suspicion on me magically gone because he said he has ~reasons~ to townlean me?

yeah you said why and i said why i think your reason is made up. can you elaborate on "fake team"? surely after you flip town, the "fake team" goes in the garbage, no?

[Datisi]

one two seven three
VOTE: aristophanes

[Datisi]

are you implying my thoughts are not quality

[Datisi]

a bit ago lilith said adorable might as well be Just Scum. from last night, duck said adorable is like, fine as null for now. reck/deas/hectic are the probable towns. and that ari needs to. i dunno. get some more votes. maybe seven of them.

so nothing super exciting, more-or-less aligning with my thoughts.

[Datisi]

ok ok ok. first order of business.

@sirius

go ask ico what colour of role pm do i have. and whatever reasoning he has to come along with the answer. ok cool thanks.

quoting post 279 every day until sirius responds to it, day one

then there's reckoner + datisi + xof + creature (?) + ari (????)

is this tier supposed to be townlean or null

if it's townlean, the council would like you to Explain

(also tl;rd on the bulge read in any case)

[Datisi]

idgaf about bulge guy, what does he say is *my* alignment

[Datisi]

ok you can live for now

[Datisi]

was i supposed to acknowledge peta's non-serious (correct me if i'm wrong) read on bulge's positioning on the wagon because it contradicted my very-super-serious read on the same thing? and that gives you partner-y vibes because...? you think i'm so desperate to townread my buddy?

[Datisi]

This interaction, or lack thereof, gives me partner vibes on Datisi and Bulge, though we all know how reliable preflip associatives are especially this early in the game. I'll be keeping an eye on them regardless.

dude are you kidding me with this

was i supposed to acknowledge peta's non-serious (correct me if i'm wrong) read on bulge's positioning on the wagon because it contradicted my very-super-serious read on the same thing? and that gives you partner-y vibes because...? you think i'm so desperate to townread my buddy?

Sure, both jump at me for this one earlyread. That really helps your case

Yes I was serious here. It's something I thought was a weird interaction to not have happen. I don't think you were that desperate to townread a buddy, but I don't see why you would make a directly opposite joke without acknowledging the previous mention of it? Like usually that would be the kind of joke made in the next post, not on a different page. It just has weird vibes all over it.

It's really earlygame stuff though, so it's not like I'm giving it a lot of weight. The reaction to it is really interesting though.

there's a case of mine here?

well you see, soon-ish after making my first post, i went to bed because the game started at 2am central european time. when i woke up the next morning, the game was already on page three. i saw the talk about bulge being the 4th vote, and that being a scum!position on a wagon, and i thought "hold on, didn't bob make a comment in a scum pt that he found out that the 4th vote on an rvs wagon is almost always town?" so i went to check, and sure enough, he did. and for the injustice that was done to him in that game, i thought it would be nice and/or funny to reference a post of his that i just so happened to remember in that moment.

maybe it's my fault because i should've quoted peta's post there too. maybe you're reaching because it's just these nitpicky details that you can use against me.

the word "interesting" doesn't actually *mean* anything. is it nai? is it ai? in which direction? why?

[Datisi]

one two seven three
VOTE: aristophanes

You claimed I dipped on the thread and on answering things but then when I tell you I'll be back, that is when you decide to vote me? Why??

at the time of typing 280, i already decided my next vote was going to be you. it was just a matter of time. originally was gonna vote you in that one, but something distracted me with adorable idk. i couldn't resist hopping onto a shiny new wagon.

also i don't really care about posts saying "i'll be back" or "i'll do it later". ok we'll talk later then.

I will say though, nice little rhyme there

life is marchin' on, do you feel that~? ♫ ♩

can you make some sorta readslist or something when you're back?

[Datisi]

Townread: Hectic, Creature
Townlean: xofelf, DV, Petapan
Null: Datisi, Adorable
Scumlean: The Bulge, Ydrasse
Scumread: Reck

i wanna hear more about me, creature, and ydrasse, please. c:

[Datisi]

frankly by now i forgot about the early alt thing or the fact you mentioned it. the reaction to "what do you like" i did remember, but mostly because i better remembered your reaction to my reaction to that.

Datisi, well, I want to scumread you for tone but I also am fairly certain I'm wrong. I think we're going to be at odds for a lot of this game but I also don't think being at odds is necessarily scummy. Like, you're not null because I don't have a read on you but because my read is entirely conflicted.

ok this is what i wanna talk about. and by talk about for now i guess i mean just throwing these same questions back at you, but come on you can't write something spicy like this and not elaborate. why is my tone scummy to you, and why are you at the same time certain you're wrong? why are you conflicted and how can i help you here?

[Datisi]

woo!

VOTE: sirius

This is probably town

Oh right I did. Just forgot to note it down earlier

is my intro post really the extent of your read on me?

As a short answer right now, I think we are approaching the game very differently and it is obvious if you look at how we are reading and interacting with it. You have a serious jokey tone that in itself leads to a conflict in my mind but I think your approach to the game probably rings genuine despite it being so different.

yeah, i see that. looking forward to the ~proper conversation~.

my team is a bit paranoid about you... faking paranoia, if that makes sense? and while i haven't asked them like, a lot about this game because i'm the guy who sucks when it comes to being team-y that was one of the things that stuck out in discussion where i was kind of like huh, okay then.

i wanna hear more about this. your whole team is at least to some extent familiar with me. go ask them.

ok wow this the only thing i'm talking about in this post is myself uhhh

sources tell me it's Slightly too early to speedyeet beeboy.

[Datisi]

this isn't notsci this is beeboy
so like i hear the arguments for "beeboy isn't playing beeeboy is obvscum" but the voices have told me the time is not now

sirius you know what would help us sort you better than "lel inactivity isn't ai for me"?
actually making a readslist and giving your thoughts out on all players

pedit: doot

[Datisi]

ok i need to actually post something ok let's see.

ok i understand beeboy is doing the scum!beeboy thing but sources tell me that sometimes, just Sometimes beeboy does not play as town in a similar manner to this. (and a lightning quick meta search confirmed this.) so i'd like to ask the good people to not yet yeet. also you are free to now start discussing whether this post makes me a more or less likely partner for beeboy, i'm looking forward to it.

artistic boi: very stressed as scum.

more prone to theatre.

so far so quiet. +town
pink fluff: giant sheep? 128 was some extent to a read BUT only mentions dats/hect/xof/ari/creature? to some extent is always sheeping hect/summer? +scum
bulge boi: really asking other ppl many questions but no... readlists themselves?
heccticc: uh... assuming they are staarling seems very different from starrling from 2175? many reads which im not like 100% sure is a good thing due to town mafia

i would like to point out that "more prone to theater" is like. wrong. most of the time i don't bother. i just did it that one game. otherwise this readslist seems very... unimpressive? have your teammates weighed in on this game at all?

hectic's post on ari is reminding me that my vote is still on him
which is reminding me that @ari still owes me some explanation about his read on me

actually @creature you haven't responded to my 451
(and @ydrasse still waiting on your teammates)

adorable still confuses me a lot

jesus this post is saying nothing of value
my teammates are gonna be disappointed

i have nothing new to add at this point in time so if someone has any questions for me or something that would be cool ok.

[Datisi]

and literally three seconds after posting this i see i wrote "sometimes beeboy does not play as town in a similar manner to this" when i meant to write "does play as town" oh well what is proofreading.

[Datisi]

What're your other sources/meta? Links pl0x

sources are duckie yelling at me in the team discord to stop asking every three seconds if beeboy is scum because he hasn't posted x amount of time yet

links are this random game i found in his egosearch after 1.5 minutes of research
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84750

[Datisi]

lilith just told me that betrayal mafia also applies. viewtopic.php?f=23&t=84286

[Datisi]

but, regardless. your vote's still on ari, does his recent spate of posting do nothing for you, do you find it scummy, please update those thoughts

i don't have a better place for it. because in the current state, either beeboy will start not being obvscum or he's going to get yeeted. but before either happens, there's no point moving my vote around ~for pressure~ because nobody is gonna get pressured from it because they know the current focus is on beeboy. and even if i had a stronger non-beeboy non-ari scumread (not sure if i do right now), voting them for non-pressure reasons is also moot because again, beeboy is a thing, nobody is getting flipped before beeboy at this time.

i also don't want to potentially have to deal with being called beeboy's scumbuddy for desperately trying to counterwagon someone later if he does flip scum.

i'd have removed my vote if i was townreading ari, but like... not sure i am? when i first read 541 i thought if i have thoughts on the wallposts ari wrote and i realized i pretty much remembered nothing from them, and i did read them like twice. the most interesting thing from them was the "i scumread dats for tone except i think i'm wrong, i'll go into this later" so i'm waiting on that.

[Datisi]

maybe i haven't actually answered the question but i guess it'd be a yes, his recent posting doesn't actually do much for me. pretty much none of it felt memorable. he could be Just Town and this is how he plays or whatever but i can't townread it. also i noticed that whenever i was mentioned in the walls it was in some shade-y way and maybe i'm omgus-ing but it felt like giving foundation for a possible datisi vote later and i'm not a fan of datisi votes.

pedit: the above^^ is @peta.

reck, i dunno. talk around him, give it an arbitrary long amount of time for him to start posting / get replaced, if it doesn't happen and he keeps prod-dodging then yeet him.

like, i'm not arguing "hurr durr he did this as town like once so let's never vote him". i'm just saying we shouldn't murder him immediately, especially when there's still other Nothing Slots in the game that i'd like to have Something from.

[Datisi]

i don't have a better place for it. because in the current state, either beeboy will start not being obvscum or he's going to get yeeted. but before either happens, there's no point moving my vote around ~for pressure~ because nobody is gonna get pressured from it because they know the current focus is on beeboy. and even if i had a stronger non-beeboy non-ari scumread (not sure if i do right now), voting them for non-pressure reasons is also moot because again, beeboy is a thing, nobody is getting flipped before beeboy at this time.

Disagree, it'll be reduced pressure but it'll still be some, and it's always good to see how people react to being voted. I think you're regarding your vote too highly when it's okay to just throw it around and it not being a big deal. I don't know exactly what this means for your alignment, but I disagree on a mafia level I guess

i also don't want to potentially have to deal with being called beeboy's scumbuddy for desperately trying to counterwagon someone later if he does flip scum.

this is fair and i like you're admitting this

wait, didn't we have a very similar situation in undertale where beeboy was being launched and you voted Lavender? you didn't care about it looking like you counterwagoning then

usually i'm all for throwing my vote around (in fact, that used to be a good way to read me - as town i'd be throwing votes around while as scum i used to just camp a single vote during the whole day - no i'm not trying to make a meta argument on why i'm XYZ alignment here, please lower the shotgun reck, i'm just illustrating that i'm usually not stingy with my votes), but i just? don't feel like it? i dunno if it's the gamestate being lethargic or whatever. i'll let you know if it changes.

and, yes, but the difference is i didn't think he was scum there. i was well aware that if beeboy was to flip scum there i'd look absolutely horrible (i'm pretty sure i mentioned that somehwere early day two), but at the time i didn't think he was scum. here, i'm well aware that ez wagon =/= town beeboy.

[Datisi]

like, i'm not arguing "hurr durr he did this as town like once so let's never vote him". i'm just saying we shouldn't murder him immediately, especially when there's still other Nothing Slots in the game that i'd like to have Something from.

what other slots do you feel aren't contributing along with beeboy?

the slots that i can remember almost nothing game-related, sirius and bulge, and slots that i can remember some game-related stuff from but that still, like, owe explanations, haven't yet impressed with content, haven't taken too many stances, so creature, xof, maaaybe ydrasse.

yes i'm aware i'm potentially being unfair going from memory as opposed to like, actually opening iso's and rereading them to see, but i'm gonna be arrogant enough to say that if i don't remember anything worthwhile from the slot, maybe the slot hasn't done anything worthwhile.

[Datisi]

eh like i don't agree with you, we can & should be discussing everyone else right now (which is why i'm talking to you!) because it's not like beeboy is gonna say shit but there's enough info out in the open to be considering the other players in the game, which we're going to have to do tomorrow even if we do just shoot beeboy into the sun. appreciate the answer on ari. clarity helps

oh, i agree we should be discussing other people, i'm all for it. i'm just being realistic that no matter what we talk about, unless someone legit posts a post for the scum pt into the main thread or something, at the end of the day we're headed towards a beeboy yeet (unless he impresses/gets replaced), therefore my vote isn't worth too much elsewhere right now.

you said you were gonna make a full readslist, right? how's that coming along?

[Datisi]

fair.

what's the spiciest / most hot-take read you have right now?

[Datisi]

those seem like a bit too big words for ico <_< >_>

[Datisi]

do you have time to read the game and actually offer thoughts on other slots though?

pedit: @sirius

[Datisi]

innocent boi likes peta +town?

this doesn't mean anything

WHY does he like him

[Datisi]

ok @sirius stop calling me cactus, it's annoying.

oh look beeboy is in prod range again. why do people join games to not play them. (yes peta i know what you're about to respond to this i know.)

insert: complaint how right now there is more than one person who is policy-able and that is sapping my will to even try. does that kinda complaint make me +town or +scum? anyway.

which is reminding me that @ari still owes me some explanation about his read on me
actually @creature you haven't responded to my 451
(and @ydrasse still waiting on your teammates)

quoting this every day until the people in question acknowledge me, day one. (yes i know ydrasse didn't even post in the meantime, no i don't care.)

i will admit him flaking in the first one weakens the case but in betrayal he was able to produce some level of opinion where here it is nothing

i also think the language in his two posts has been scummy (yes, really). the "is there something I should know before reading back?" is the sort of thing a friend of mine would latch onto b/c ben franklin effect or w/e

i wrote this down in my notes but then i realized there isn't really a reason not to type it out into the main thread. if beeboy is town, i think this reaction kinda sorta sounds like scum annoyed that their ez misyeet might slither away.

ydrasse, deas, the council has asked if you can put down a vote or something i dunno.

Datisi, I was waiting for Ari to actually respond to my question before I explained more on how he feels off, and he's still not done so which is rather annoying. I have liked what you've been giving, but you do feel like you're a little overanxious here bud. Idk if that's your usual gig or not, but I don't really think it's anything AI.

why did you bring it up, if you don't think it's ai?

I said I don't *think* it's AI, was sorta hoping for clarification from you or people who know you better than I do about whether or not that's just you as a person or how you play games. I think you and I have played only the one game together(it's possibly two and I suck at remembering), and I was in a hydra in that one so I wasn't working nearly so hard to notice things and get reactions. Your posting since has sorta calmed down in a way that does tell me it might just be how you start games traditionally.

it's not ai. it stems from me absolutely hating being executed and trying to be townread, regardless of my alignment. also i'm an anxious person in general. up to the reader to determine if it's town or scum anxiety, i guess.

and it's two games actually, the second one being haunted village, but i barely played in both those games, so.

[Datisi]

well, yeah, starts playing or gets replaced. peta, how did you find the links in 481? i notice you weren't playing in either beeboy scumgames. the one game you said weakens your case is literally the first towngame i found in his egosearch. did you not bother to look up his towngames?

and, eh. i definitely don't townread bulge. i don't have a desire to start shifting votes elsewhere, because i think the Y-2 wagon on beeboy is a nice thing to wait for him upon return, but bulge is definitely like. not a townread.

actually wait, i'm not on beeboy right now.
VOTE: bulge
now if i'm the bulge's vanity vote, i can call bulge scum for omgusing, oh my god i'm a genuis.

[Datisi]

Wooo beeboy past the prod window again, hell yeah

Just a couple more and he gets yeeted for us

what does this post mean?

[Datisi]

then what did you mean by "he gets yeeted for us"?

[Datisi]

actually @creature you haven't responded to my 451

[Datisi]

how is that one post towny, and how is it townier than anything i posted after it?

[Datisi]

I almost forgot

VOTE: peta

i actually cackled at this irl

ok i'll read it and respond in like. a little bit.

[Datisi]

wait, this case has only two points? ok

the way he tries to turn it around on me by threatening his townlean on me is hilarious. and I despise how he calls off our discussion because we're not "gonna get anything more out of this", and then immediately proceeds to shade me? and like, if i am slipping out of your townleans, that's when you want to cut me loose of the convo? what scumhunting strategy is that? and now since then, he has done a full 180 on me, which like, on its own sure, other shit has happened since then, but it's still incredibly scummy to me.

i mean, were we gonna get anything more out of that convo? i thought your suspicion on me was weird because i had recently done something similar in a towngame with you and i thought you should know better than to suspect me for *checks notes* calling an interaction tvt unprompted and using language such as "hot take", which i'm p sure someone in the thread said in the meantime is just my way of speaking. you thought the situations were not similar enough for my comparison to hold water.

like, if you're town, i'm not gonna be able to convince you otherwise. if you're scum, i'm not gonna be able to convince you otherwise. i don't have too much need for wasting time trying to convince someone why my action shouldn't be scumleaned if they already disagreed with my explanation. just note it is a slight +scum thing for them and move on.

re: the jokey awareness

this is scummy because ... ? like ok here's the thing. i play town by just spewing thoughts as they come because that way, at some point, it's gonna be obvious i'm town. a lot of my thoughts this game have been "wow this game is fuckin' boring. wow i don't feel like doing anything and i have nothing to talk about. oh, that is often scum indicative. hah."

that last one also suggests to me that Datisi suspects he was my ~secret read~, and is nervous about what I might say, and unwilling to engage me directly on it.

i suspected i was your secret read, yes, i always suspect i'm the secret read when people say "oh i have a super secret scumread i'll sit on it for a bit". yeah i'm nervous if you're about to drop a bomb ass case that will just murder me on the spot. (this ain't it, though.) you're free to explain how these things make me scum, though. last time i checked, getting executed hurts my win condition as town too.

unwilling to engage you directly about it? i mean, when someone asked who your super secret read is, you were like "no no wait i will make a case i cannot utter the name without the case ready", how was i supposed to directly engage with that, without even knowing? and i'm directly engaging you now, am i not?

[Datisi]

and now since then, he has done a full 180 on me, which like, on its own sure, other shit has happened since then, but it's still incredibly scummy to me.

oh, forgot to add this part: going from "eh i'm slightly townleaning bulge for early day posting" to "yeah time has passed and bulge hasn't really done anything, i can drop a vote on him" is like, not quite a full 180 i think.

[Datisi]

ok only now i actually read through all the quotes you included as jokey self-awareness, and only now i noticed there's also a quote of me knowing reck doesn't like self-meta and me knowing that my own memory is fallible and that going from memory often isn't ideal for analyzing isos. eh, i can kinda? sorta? see that second one as "yeah if i'm wrong on these people, it's because i was just going from memory, okay, i wasn't purposefully misrepping them or anything" but like... i dunno. i feel like if that were your train of thought, you'd maybe have written it out there?

how sure are you that i'm scum in this game, bulge?

in any case. i think this case is decently underwhelming. pending bulge's response on why the jokey tone makes me scum, i guess. i'll think about this more tomorrow, it is 3:30am and y'all made me stay up longer than i wanted to respond to this. i will go sleep now.

[Datisi]

i mean, were we gonna get anything more out of that convo? i thought your suspicion on me was weird because i had recently done something similar in a towngame with you and i thought you should know better than to suspect me for *checks notes* calling an interaction tvt unprompted and using language such as "hot take", which i'm p sure someone in the thread said in the meantime is just my way of speaking. you thought the situations were not similar enough for my comparison to hold water.

once again, I didn't have a problem with your word choice, stop trying to make it that. there were several lines of yours that looked to me as performative and unnecessary for town to make. I agree we weren't getting anywhere talking about Jungle Oligarchy, but shutting down the conversation entirely instead of pursuing your own line of questioning when you said your read on me had flipped is scummy.

ok, here's the post you linked when you said you were first pinged by me:

Spoiler:

also, i think that bulge meant that datisi's takes were feeling performative which i did get pinged by too

like framing it as a hot take when i don't think? it's really one was a bit ? to me so i wanna understand

for me it's that + calling an interaction tvt completely unsolicited when it isn't even really so much a topic of discussion att. it pinged me like a bad faith clickbait headline, jafeel?

ydrasse's post included "framing it as a hot take" which you quoted in agreement so i assumed it was also a part of your suspicion. (though going back now, you *did* say it wasn't, so my bad there.)

i went back to check, you originally said in 137 and 138 that you didn't iike two of my posts, calling reck/hectic tvt (132) and me turning the question back at ydrasse (133). however, i *did* ask you why you felt they were performative / scummy, you didn't elaborate (174). so you didn't really explain what you were going with with "performative", and we started disagreeing about jungle oligarchy. saying i didn't pursue my own line of questioning is wrong, i did, you didn't respond to it.

also my read on you hadn't "flipped" from that interaction, it went from townlean > weaker townlean.

like, if you're town, i'm not gonna be able to convince you otherwise. if you're scum, i'm not gonna be able to convince you otherwise. i don't have too much need for wasting time trying to convince someone why my action shouldn't be scumleaned if they already disagreed with my explanation. just note it is a slight +scum thing for them and move on.

you shut down the conversation because the pressure was focused on you. if your read of me had really gone from town->scum in the span of that exchange then why would you not want me to keep talking?

oooor i shut down the conversation because it became boring and annoying and not worth the effort. and again, my read did not go like that.

re: the jokey awareness

this is scummy because ... ? like ok here's the thing. i play town by just spewing thoughts as they come because that way, at some point, it's gonna be obvious i'm town. a lot of my thoughts this game have been "wow this game is fuckin' boring. wow i don't feel like doing anything and i have nothing to talk about. oh, that is often scum indicative. hah."

you seem confident and nervous all at once in a way that suggests to me that you might possibly be playing outside of your usual scumrange, which is something you have certainly not hesitated to mention or imply.

i don't see how's that scum indicative.

i suspected i was your secret read, yes, i always suspect i'm the secret read when people say "oh i have a super secret scumread i'll sit on it for a bit". yeah i'm nervous if you're about to drop a bomb ass case that will just murder me on the spot. (this ain't it, though.) you're free to explain how these things make me scum, though. last time i checked, getting executed hurts my win condition as town too.

don't try to act like it isn't perfectly reasonable to assume that execution anxiety comes from scum more often than town.

it can be reasonable. and now, after i told you that i feel execution anxiety as either alignment, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that you no longer see it as a point in favour of scum!me?

unwilling to engage you directly about it? i mean, when someone asked who your super secret read is, you were like "no no wait i will make a case i cannot utter the name without the case ready", how was i supposed to directly engage with that, without even knowing? and i'm directly engaging you now, am i not?

obviously you're forced to engage with me now, why are you bringing this up? I was talking about before I said who my vanity vote would be. like you didn't want to risk adding fuel to the fire before knowing what to avoid doing to stop tipping me off.

i'm bringing this up because *you* brought it up. you said i was unwilling to engage you directly while you were ~preparing your mystery scumcase~. you shot down peta, who did try to engage with you before you revealed. i saw that. why would i then try to engage you on it, even if i did think it was about me? you were just gonna tell me to wait for the case.

oh, forgot to add this part: going from "eh i'm slightly townleaning bulge for early day posting" to "yeah time has passed and bulge hasn't really done anything, i can drop a vote on him" is like, not quite a full 180 i think.

on its own, sure, but it's not a good look with the potential omgus and with how awkward your hop onto me was.

my vote on you didn't have anything to do with omgus, i.e. whether or not your case was about me. my vote on you had to do with you lowkey disappearing from the thread and doing nothing worthwhile. it being awkward is subjective. i thought it was great.

[Datisi]

ok only now i actually read through all the quotes you included as jokey self-awareness, and only now i noticed there's also a quote of me knowing reck doesn't like self-meta and me knowing that my own memory is fallible and that going from memory often isn't ideal for analyzing isos. eh, i can kinda? sorta? see that second one as "yeah if i'm wrong on these people, it's because i was just going from memory, okay, i wasn't purposefully misrepping them or anything" but like... i dunno.

i feel like if that were your train of thought, you'd maybe have written it out there?

what is the point of this?

me writing my thoughts out. i realized how that part of my 559 could be seen as scummy (the bolded), but you didn't include that reasoning, you just shoved it with the rest of the "self-aware jokey posts", which made me think that the bolded wasn't actually your thought process for why that post could be scum!indicative.

[Datisi]

sirius, can you stop acting like a jester and start working with us and answering questions?

[Datisi]

pink fluff and bulge boi tbh?

Why? And I also want to know is petapan the only town read Innocent has and what's the reasoning for the town read.

like it's literally the first post before your last come on

[Datisi]

yes

[Datisi]

hi rcengima! nice to see you again, though kinda sucks these are the circumstances.

i'm not exactly thrilled about this wagon but also don't necessarily have much better ideas. sirius may have become one of my stronger townleans in this game in the meantime which is kinda sad lmao.

@xof, where did that read on bulge come from, you didn't mention it before? also how is that bigger post working out?

@deas, what is it that made you comfortable with executing rce? (734)

@rce, i'm kinda confused by a part of 760. you don't think sirius would be giving reads "just ... on partners". are you doing preflip, with the same poe that you had when you were on page 7? (i mean, i'm assuming you are, i guess this is more a "did your reads really not develop at all from page 7, and why did you have them in the first place?")

[Datisi]

@rce, i see, thanks. i'm a bit annoyed (?) that you keep calling me scum for that one thing when there's nothing else in your read there (as far as i can tell?) but i don't think it's ai. has your team weighed in on this game in any way?

@Datisi: When you take ages to write a post, but people wouldn't be able to tell, do you ever admit to it, and as town, scum, or both?

i've truthfully admitted/mentioned it as both alignments. though it's definitely not an ~original~ thought for scum!me to do, as scum i do it because i know town!me would do it there.

[Datisi]

is that why basically nobody commented on me/bulge?

[Datisi]

I'm not though. I dropped that take and kind of walked it back after considering the game state.

Beeboy wasn't around to talk about the game, menalque did call hectic townglue but I don't have solid reads yet myself so I didn't ask for more.

you dropped the team take, but yeah i guess, my bad.

mena didn't comment anything about my slot?

[Datisi]

I'm not though. I dropped that take and kind of walked it back after considering the game state.

Beeboy wasn't around to talk about the game, menalque did call hectic townglue but I don't have solid reads yet myself so I didn't ask for more.

you dropped the team take, but yeah i guess, my bad.

mena didn't comment anything about my slot?

Just that he disagreed on the team I floated. I can ask.

please do.

[Datisi]

hey?? did you know?? i hate this game???? you probably did.

@Datisi, menalque has a dated read since he hasn't read for awhile but he liked you early for the adorable push and you two mindmelded on hectic/reck as tvt when it happened.to a lesser degree he liked the bulge push since he caught a scummy vibe but wolfdance redux makes him hesitate on it (I don't know if that means something).

i have an idea what wolfdance redux might mean, i'm not 100% but also i don't think it matters too much anyway.

vc 1.9 has like, a decent number of mistakes? iirc peta and reck are not voting, and xof is voting adorable? in any case, rce is at 4.

annoyed at xof complaining about the lack of wagons when they've been sitting on a vanity since page... whatever. though i feel like that's half the game at this point.

@xof, i indeed was in haunted village, and am trying to forget that game. mafia pro-tip, if you're busy, do not hydra with someone who is also busy, thinking that the two of you will manage to find the time for the game and "cover for each other". just... do not.

peta, reck, both of you unvoted rce but are still suspecting him. i think it's about time to either vote him or find a new wagon.

pedit: and this is the part of the post where i was gonna

make myself obvious as the rce buddy trying to counterwagon last minute

ask if anyone is interested in the bulge flashwagon, but creature has a different spicy proposal.

creature, sell me on deas?

[Datisi]

it's been 11 days. the only two things that i can remember happening in this game at this point is me/bulge argument (that nobody seems to be even reading) and the whatever-wagon on beeboy. we have 3 days left. with how slow the game's been, if we wanna run up someone else, we need to start now.

also my mafia attention span isn't handling this very well wither.

[Datisi]

i'm still roughly ~fine with the vote but have been waiting and on...something, i guess, since people kept promising to provide input later but not doing it.

that's the issue. we're all waiting around for ~something~. and the deadline is ticking down.

creature, sell me on deas?

last i saw you were still leaning town on deasvail so what's up with this

/shrug. a stellar case could make me vote there. even if not, i still want to actually hear at least some of the thought process that's going on in creature's head.

[Datisi]

does dgb have some sorta history being able to read deas?

[Datisi]

i mean, i'm still voting him, so.

the case itself is bad, obviously. but something about their responses to me after it feels... odd? i dunno. the secrecy around slapping a big vanity vote. like it almost feels like it was a case that was designed to go nowhere. if i were looking at our interaction from the outside, i'd have gotten a s/s feeling, but i'm town. it's weird.

re: my read on bulge

creature, tl;dr on all reads? or link me if you've done it before this game and if they're up to date.

[Datisi]

deas, should i scumread you for the fact that you don't seem to be worried *at all* about the fact you have 9 townreads, 1 null, and 2 scumreads in a game that is 9:3 (from town!you pov), and aren't even trying to fact check and see if you're wrong anywhere, while you're just making sure that the rce wagon goes through?

[Datisi]

creature, say hi to dgb for me. i don't think i've ever interacted with it personally but it seems like a nice person.

deas, what is your takeaway from me/bulge?

note: i feel like this is a game where scum has... easier than normal time appearing townie / solvey / whatever the fuck. which is partly why i wouldn't mind flashwagoning a townlean, if someone brought up a convincing case.

[Datisi]

i was about to go through the activity and make a list of when everyone's last game-advancing post is and i bet for ~half of the game it would be at least 4 days ago but honestly what the fuck even is the point.

intent on rce

i don't know if rce is at Y-1 or Y-2 (reck unvoted in 790 but 824 shows him as voting) so if he's at Y-2 consider this a vote and if he's at Y-1 consider this intent. i don't like this wagon and am still open for a cfd but what even is the point.

[Datisi]

Not gonna lie it's rough forcing myself to put out content if I'm the defacto elim and the reads won't be heard much next day phase anyway.

open question to the table: does a PR, specifically a n1 vig, ever say this line?

[Datisi]

(i think it just might be a "no".)

[Datisi]

rce, why did you make that part of 759 if you are a n1 vig?

also, why didn't you bother answering the above in your previous post?

[Datisi]

the part where you're implying that you will be executed today, i.e. dead on day two. that's not a mindset of a power role that can save themselves from the yeet with a claim.

[Datisi]

rce do you have thoughts on summer?

[Datisi]

The summer/Datisi part of peta's case is partly meta based, that doesn't really away me. Datisi do you know how summer regards your town/ scum games? Is the paranoia warranted?

They haven't been around since I repped in so I don't have a decent read there..... But if they're the elim over me I'm not that against it.

the paranoia is warranted but the way that paranoia was expressed didn't read honest to me.

there is Stuff bothering me here but it's 1am and i'm supposed to be revising but i keep refreshing this game and not doing work. i'll take a break for an hour or two from this.

[Datisi]

i feel like i'm gonna regret this. whoever is not yet voting, get onto a wagon.

VOTE: summer

if we do flip summer today, tomorrow i am not buying any story about a roleblocker or a rolestopper or a jailkeeper or whatever the fuck.

also it's 2:30am and i'm still not done and i just wanna sleep.

[Datisi]

also @peta/datisi, ive seen your most recent responses to me. looking over my iso this game there's a lot I don't feel good about anymore but idk

i'm not sure what this means.

[Datisi]

fuck me
UNVOTE:
i was about to vote rce but idk the votecount
can i vote him anyway
is it a problem if he gets hammered right now
my care levels are low

[Datisi]

AND THE FUCKING POST 1000 YEEEEEEET

[Datisi]

fuck me
UNVOTE:
i was about to vote rce but idk the votecount
can i vote him anyway
is it a problem if he gets hammered right now
my care levels are low

WHAT FUCKING RATFUCK SHIT ARE YOU DOING DATISIS

I DON'T KNOW

ALSO WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT ME

pedit: ok lol

[Datisi]

it's 3:30am and i am legit fucking dying every time you post that fucking gif lmao

[Datisi]

i am still in fact giggling to myself

look at that oh my god

[Datisi]

?? intent???? what is the vc

what is the point

[Datisi]

FUCKING STOP I'M LAUGHING AGAIN

[Datisi]

have your teammates weighed in yet?

[Datisi]

ico has been awake for the last 7 hours at least

[Datisi]

my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[Datisi]

ok isis i will post.

i was gonna enter with a semi-shitpost of "peta voted scum... must have bussed..." and then we would laugh and it would've been funny but i guess not.

VOTE: bulge
i'll start here? i guess?

[Datisi]

he wouldn't have unvoted RCE as scum

UNVOTE:

thonk

[Datisi]

it was supposed to be a joke how you're calling peta town for having unvoted rce after he claimed, when you did the same thing. i.e. you're calling yourself town. though if that was peta-specific, then oops.

[Datisi]

hi sirius

why shouldn't i think you're scum for telling us to unvote rce?

[Datisi]

re 1071:

(1) a thing that ico has taught me is that if there's a two counterwagons, and the wagonees are suspiciously not voting against each other, there's a Good Chance the wagons are s/s. i never answered 927 because in the post before it, i asked whether rce has any thoughts on summer. i noticed how the counterwagon started building on summer, but rce wasn't voting it, and i couldn't find rce saying he townread her. i didn't wanna answer that *before* rce answered me (i did agree with it), because i wanted to make it seem like i was willing to vote summer with him if he did it.

a lot of this kinda falls flat because later on i *did* vote summer and also at the time i falsely thought summer wasn't voting rce when she was and uhh idk.

afterwards, i kinda got distracted with the current events that i forgot you asked me that.

(2) can i call for an excuse of "it was 2:30am and i was simultaneously trying to follow both the main thread and my team yelling in our discord and trying to make the call"? i don't know. summer was a scumread as well. i saw glimpses of what could've been possible s/s.

(3) i unvoted her because her manic fit was townie.

(4) because i once again saw him as the better yeet of the day, but i wasn't quite able to read the room for if cutting the discussion there would be fine or not. i dunno, waiting for Someone to catch up or give thoughts or whatever the fuck.

[Datisi]

/shrug, i'm around.

[Datisi]

also, if you're about to ask my current read on summer: fuck if i know. i still dislike most of her day one (peta said it nicely in the post he voted her) and i think it's weird rce never voted her. like, his n1 vig claim was obviously fabricated to at least let him survive one night. so when there was a counterwagon building, he could easily give an excuse of "better her than me". why doesn't he?

pedit: s_s and lilith were telling me to kill it with fire, especially after i pulled out the quote where he was talking about himself as a likely day 1 yeet. duck had reservations (he's the one who warned me about lurk!town!beeboy meta after all), and he didn't like summer's slot *anyway*, so.

[Datisi]

my concern about the hammer thing is that i think you're aware that a lack of urgency to be on a scumflip can look towny
so my tinfoil is that you kept asking and getting "yes just hammer him" - though this might've just been from me
but wanted to stay off the wagon for the possibility someone loltownreads you for "Datisi didn't feel the need to vote or hammer RCE"

had anyone other than you (and maybe summer) said it? i was thinking of people like ari/bulge/sirius/xof/whoever else is a lurk/low-content, and wondering if it's worth giving them some time, and also wondering if people were gonna be mad at me for *not* giving them time.

just don't townread me for that ez clap?

[Datisi]

entirely possible he was going for "be non-survivalistic to look towny"

that's one of the things that kinda brought me back around to rce being the yeet. a townie who may be able to prove themselves and be conftown the next day? imo you're gamethrowing if you're *not* being survivalistic in that case.

[Datisi]

do you have any scumreads you'd want to share, pichu?

[Datisi]

i was gone for over a day and the game progressed... less than a page.

I considered pushing Bulge today and it is still a possibility imo but in some ways the weak case on Datisi is something that I think is less likely from scum while a lurker-buddy is being wagoned? No way Bulge thought that the Datisi case would save the beeboy slot. The more I type the more I feel uncomfortable with Bulge as scum.

this is actually a kinda sorta interesting line of thinking. am i insane for tinfoiling deas/bulge though? lol.

I would like to see something from xofelf today before moving on, but I expect I will be moving on.

what's the point of saying "oh i expect i'll be moving on"?? like it feels more ~for show~ rather than like. a towny thought process of solving another slot.

someone please fucking call me scum or something so i have motivation for doing things

oh i know

They also said their reads are gutreads but I don't like gutreads.

hey, adorable!! literally *all* my reads as town are gut reads!! am i scum now??

[Datisi]

hi xof who do you wanna murder today

[Datisi]

my vote's on bulge. you looked over him yet? any update on summer/adorable reads from day one?

[Datisi]

maybe it's me being tired and only held awake by traces of caffeine, but my eyes started hella glazing over that post, to the point i thought this is scummy because it's a lot of text that doesn't say much of anything. *then* i remembered how i was having the same feeling about your posts in haunted village and used that as an ez shitpush. so now i don't know and i once again hate this game.

do you think being nice and helpful is ai? do you have like, any thoughts about her eod1?

[Datisi]

i agree her frustration was townie, but, can i ask for your thoughts on the first paragraph of 1079?

pedit: @xof

[Datisi]

I find this really hard to believe. I don't trust gut reads and I find them misleading. If your reads as town are gut reads then I will assume you are a distraction to town.

my recent reads-streak and getting-nightkilled-streak *strongly* suggests otherwise but / s h r u g

ok, let's hear it. what are your reads? bonus points if their basis *isn't* vague incorrect mafia theory that's been taken out of context.

[Datisi]

i do not have the energy to look for explanations through your iso but i am glad someone else is doing god's work doing that.

why do you think i'd be a distraction? like, you've seen my play so far, you apparently think i'm town, how/why am i also a distraction? also, why do you care so much about gutreads this game?

[Datisi]

hello

adorable's comment about being a distraction to town yesterday pissed me off and i'm reading it back and it's still pissing me off holy shit lmao
like "gut reads can end in a miss" and other reads can't?????? "i have seen scum do gut reads" do i have to pull out a quote that i have seen scum!adorable do????

well fuck it!! i'll pull it out anyway!!!

bob is not looking good for me and he was one of those players who was off the chemist wagon.

#496 - bob says if tictac is scum his gut is telling him scum is bussing and tictac had 4 votes at the time. Scum are supposed to work as a team getting town lynched and not vote each other on day 1.
#641/646 - bob votes davesaz for gut feeling.

I don't like gut feeling reads because it can sometimes be an easy way for scum to give out their reads.

do we wanna talk about what we've seen scum do??? because here! right here! i see scum!adorable shitpushing town!bob on the basis of him having gutreads!!!!

for the record: i went through all adorable completed games yesreday. yes, literally

all

of them. open her iso, ctrl+f the word "gut". in only two (2) games was it actually mentioned (not in passing/quoting): this game, where she shitpushed bob on the basis of having gutreads... and an old towngame where she suspected someone for having gutreads.

now, i thought this was gonna be a slam-dunk, but as she *did* make a post like that as town once... i guess it isn't.

@hectic, what's your read on adorable currently??

@summer why do you not want to vote me today??

ok

bye

[Datisi]

any questions for now, datisi and hectic?

"when is actual content coming" is like, the only thing i *could* ask you here

@datisi i did some soul searching after the flip yesterday and thought about the vote you put on me a bit and then your content this game a bit and then my teams thoughts a bit and i’m okay w you for now bc i don’t see a very Obvious path? i guess where you’re maf but it gets the asterisk because it’s not as strong as my will to not vote the other two though i do wanna reread them this day phase even if i think i’ll end up at the same conclusions

this game feels like everyone is vibing in a miasma of like. mostly weak reads leaning either side without any real Meat which is a strange feeling and it’s like.. going through mud a bit to sort one way or another

i do not like this post
like why do you think i'm not scum here
what does this Mean

also complaining about the weird feeling of the game is odd and/or scummy (i haven't decided yet) when imho you're part of the reason why it's like that

[Datisi]

yeah elaborate on the post when you can. and idk it felt weirdly lamisty, which feels kinda out of place for you.

[Datisi]

and from my play experience I have seen scum say that their reads are gutreads.

i find it hilarious that adorable is still using this line without acknowledging i could use the same line against her based on 1135

also i see now why peta was killed
he was one of the rare ones that actually gave a shit about this game
can whoever the fuck is town here stop being bad and start playing pls and ty

[Datisi]

ok fun fact
summer's 1143 reminded me of times where i am scum and have a read and i'm asked to explain that read, but i obviously don't have a thought process because i'm a scumfuck, so i keep dropping random words such as vibe and soulread that don't actually mean anything, and i'm doing weird things like... weird!!! punctuation??? and words with Random Capitals in hopes that people think it's some sorta gut read and leave me alone, while actually not saying anything

and 1179 is giving the same feeling lmfao

(also tell me there wasn't scum on that beeboy wagon
like scum knew he was gonna flip long before eod
and idk i don't like summer's vote there very much)

also also while looking for 1143 i found 1090 which was the first time this gameday that bulge promised content and that was over four and a half days ago!!

fuck this game!!!

[Datisi]

i don’t have like. a great answer for you that has nuance and quotes and posts or whatever and i can try to better verbalize this later

guess what!! i also type like that!! i'm saying it appears to me that you are using the style to hide the fact that you have zero actual thought process on me because your role pm already told you i'm town!!!

[Datisi]

it's ok. sorry if that came out personal, it wasn't meant as an attack against your typing style in general.

[Datisi]

VOTE: deasvail

[Datisi]

VOTE: deasvail

Are you meh about the wagon a la Summer or totally thumbs up for it?

i think there's decent enough reason to vote there. am i totally thumbs up? not quite, no. but i feel the "gut-scum, logic-town" read on deas, and i'm fine giving a hand to the people that i actively townread for a wagon that has sketchy associates with the flipped scum.

[Datisi]

you got a dayvig by any chance?

[Datisi]

then i guess we wait lel

[Datisi]

VOTE: ari

don't ask because i don't have an answer.

i will be Actually Properly reading this in like. an hour tops. someone yell at me if i don't. i don't wanna go properly read the vomitposting that was whatever the fuck was that ydrasse/hectic interaction but i have to. then i may form some coherent thoughts.

[Datisi]

@hectic what is your read on ydrasse

page 51 is really making me not want to play mafia

page 52 is making me not enjoy my popcorn anymore

uh how do you fit in 6 warlords with yuumi
like we need Datisi-Azir and Reck-Jarvan for keeper they've been solid

i see this has my name in it, translate it into english

i don't actually Hate bulge anymore but i didn't read his catchup bc i need to click on 10 quadrillion links to read it
i saw my name was in green and i appreciate that

ok i'm reading it and i'm to the part where he linked my 280 and now i lowkey want adorable again???

these popcorn taste vaguely like cardboard

did ydrasse ever elaborate on her read on me as she said she would?

ok i read the whole post i have nothing

ok i see by 1310 that hectic thnks ydrasse is town but didn't you agree w my analysis of her post on me?

literally my shackles are freed i can post without worrying about a silly little alt my thoughts are UNINHIBITED i can READ i can DO THINGS

sooo.... the explanation on the read of me coming when?

ok now that i can see 1345 fully on my laptop this is beautiful lol

also RCE flipped Mafia Informed..so

unless the scumteam dont already know RCE's info from pregame chat

, which would be the FIRST THING any Informed should do, RCE was effectively a vanilla goon at that point. another day doesn't really buy scum anything out of that slot, idk if i buy that scum were working hard to get RCE another day of life?

what?

oh hey it's me saying i'll be reading oh lovely

ok there we go

i actually spent like 40 minutes on this

38 minutes too many

[Datisi]

why does that seem unlikely?

[Datisi]

why does that seem unlikely?

why wouldn't the scum informed share the info immediately in thescum chat?

ok at this point i kinda realized what i'm doing is stupid. your 1354 assumed the absence of daytalk. i wondered if that points to your alignment being one or the other but i just had a memory of reading a "tell" like that completely the wrong way so forget that i said anything.

[Datisi]

reck, do you have any Fresh Takes on bulge?

[Datisi]

what a mess of a vc that is

also i find it funny that the above post said the word "reread" 3 times

probably need to include something game relevant
@deas, why do you suddenly talk about reevaluating ari (1367, 1368) only to like, drop it and never speak of it again
did you do it
what were the results (i assume the results were that he's still town but entertain me)

i'll try to be useful soon

[Datisi]

oh
somehow after reading "ari's posts are easy to criticize" my brain just skipped ahead

ok yeah bed time for me it is

not sure how much i agree with "scum with beeboy doesn't post that" but like idk, i feel like we've gone around everyone and said whether scum with beeboy does or doesn't post something and we're not smarter after it so

[Datisi]

does anyone wanna lolflashwagon and policy sirius

[Datisi]

also, we have a little over 4 days left, which for this game is not a lot. we were lucky yesterday, i don't think we will be lucky again. whoever is not voting, vote. if you're sitting on a vanity, start consolidating or give a GOOD reason for sitting on it. can we please run someone up.

[Datisi]

which part of that post was unclear

[Datisi]

because we've gone through 10 days of day 2 and i don't think we're any smarter and it's obvious sirius is not gonna start playing so might as well clean that up while we are still ahead.

[Datisi]

what are your thoughts on the current wagons?

ari could use 3 more votes. deas could use 4 more.

[Datisi]

most others could use however many, math is difficult. i just want something to happen and my standards for a Good Wagon are getting low.

[Datisi]

yea, so, like

?

i don't get what you're asking me.

both deas and ari have some vague things that make them somewhat less likely to be partnered with rce. but the issue is that that's true for almost everyone. there's like... 2 and a half players in this game that i don't want to see dead.

[Datisi]

ydrasse who do you want to vote

[Datisi]

creature/ari/reck

no/sure/no

[Datisi]

ydrasse why are you town?

[Datisi]

considering he's on my team, that would be a bit problematic

[Datisi]

considering he's on my team, that would be a bit problematic

Hey you, toll him I miss him and we need to hydra again sometime

he says thank you for making him catch up on this game lol

[Datisi]

@ari, s_s says he loves your typos

[Datisi]

ari do you have any actual reads and can you get onto a wagon

it's that time of day where not voting is actively anti-town because scum wants to run the clock down and i'd really love it if i didn't have to beg people to start voting as if we're playing in a newbie game

the above goes @sirius and @xof as well

stop being dead weight and vote someone

[Datisi]

sirius can you stop being useless and vote???

[Datisi]

Datisi!

I need to know what your read of Ydrasse is. You've expressed light suspicion of her throughout but I can't find any solid opinion from a quick look through.

I also am brewing a scumread on you! At this point I see Ydrasse/you as the most likely remaining scum

deasvail!

the only "towny" thing i recall from ydrasse in this entire game is her throwing a fit at eod1. that's it. do i think she's scummy? eh, not quite. but not sure anyone in this game fits "scummy" right now. i don't mind voting her. i do think her townread or whatever on me is like... not good.

VOTE: ydrasse

also lol at me/ydrasse being scum together. i'll have what you're having, please.

@hectic, after scrolling through your iso for 0.7 seconds, i think i saw you not wanting to vote ari? can you refresh / link me as to why?

@ari, should i be townreading you in this game? also shotgun reads pls.

[Datisi]

can i not be scums eod push again lol

???

did peta flip scum while i wasn't looking?????
who was scum that pushed you yesterday???????

[Datisi]

Is anyone here is there something I should know before I read back?
My team has been yelling at me while I do other things and I am starting to feel bad.

this is not good

i can sorta see bulge scum i guess. this is quite literally his only mention of the rce slot while it was alive.

[Datisi]

i remember something i said about a certain vote that i’m mulling on right now???

what vote???

like sure peta isn't the only person that voted you yesterday. you're saying "lol i'm being pushed by scum at eod again" and who is the scum that pushed you yesterday then???

also i thought you had a townread on me?? tf you mean the only reason you're not voting me is xof???

[Datisi]

like can someone explain to me how m/why exactly the fluff this game is especially scummy or not good for this game or w/e

because i don't think you've had a single genuine game solving post in the whole game???

[Datisi]

WHY is it tanking??? WHY does it feel like every single game relevant thought you put into this thread was pulled out of your ass 3 seconds earlier without any cohesion whatsoever????

[Datisi]

shotgun reads. go.

[Datisi]

fucking lol. so i'm scum because i'm voting you? except i was town earlier when i was expressing suspicion on you? ok ydrasse.

[Datisi]

i would have no moral qualms about making such posts as scum. i would not feel bad at all.

[Datisi]

Ydrasse does not get mad about this if Datisi simply has a correct scumread.

what.

[Datisi]

i don't see why not??

[Datisi]

it doesn't look fake. it also doesn't look genuine. it looks utterly nai to me.

[Datisi]

in general? sure, scum don't feel genuine rage at being pushed, and would more often than not have to fake it.

before you ask, the issue is that that is probably the only thing going for ydrasse right now. i already think she's scummy, and if i'm right, she's faked it before. don't see why this should change my mind.

[Datisi]

fuck this game

VOTE: bulge

[Datisi]

ok ok ok so i lied yesterday. i said that that quoted post was the only time bulge mentioned rce slot but that is false. (i had just ctrl+f'ed "beeboy" and "rce" in bulge's iso, and that was the only thing that showed up.) i was scrolling through my notes this morning, and i saw a note on this post:

I'm not gonna go through all the effort of fully catching up or rejigging my reads if there is an impending flip. but i agree with hectic/datisi here about the claim. granted i was extremely wrong about not believing the Day 4 IC claim in a recent mini normal so I am feeling very paranoid about taking that stance but eh I don't like it.

before this post, bulge hadn't posted for ~2 days, which like fine, whatever. but the context around this post is bothering me.

this was at the time where rce had already claimed, and we were discussing what the fuck to do. both hectic and myself were saying how rce's claim is bullshit. (well, moreso hectic than me but you know), so this post is obviously in support of that.

but here's the thing, this post was made at the time the wagon started swinging onto ydrasse - she had 3 votes on her at this time (reck voted her less than 10 mnutes before this post). bulge didn't have a professed read on ydrasse at this time either, so i'm gonna assume she was ~null.

so my question is: if bulge though rce's claim was scum, it was close to end of day, and the wagon was in the middle of shifting to a person he doesn't scumead, why doesn't he vote the person whose claim he apparently thinks is scum and help the momentum swing back? why does he keep sitting on peta, who he's not even sure is scummy anymore?

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:

[Datisi]

i don't put too much stock into crumbs in this game because i imagine the scumteam figured out fakeclaims before gamestart but this feels like an unvote first think later claim.

[Datisi]

why did you target me?

[Datisi]

bulge did you soft your n1 result anywhere?

[Datisi]

[Datisi]

ok one day 8 hours left. time to get moving.

VOTE: ari

[Datisi]

VOTE: deas

[Datisi]

it's 3:15am and i'm giggling in the bathroom listening to this and thinking about this day

[Datisi]

i knew exactly what was coming and it still made me smile

i love this game

[Datisi]

fr i was getting a feeling there's scum within deas/ydra and at this point deas is the only flip i want that isn't (1) policy (2) that nobody would agree to flip (3) that didn't have my mind violently changed on recently so can we pls vote there k thx.

[Datisi]

fr i was getting a feeling there's scum within deas/ydra and at this point deas is the only flip i want that isn't (1) policy (2) that nobody would agree to flip (3) that didn't have my mind violently changed on recently so can we pls vote there k thx.

Why those two particularly?

idk
the way deas kept pushing at ydra
and the way he's slowly trying to get me executable too
like i thought/think ydra is scummy but those two aren't aligned and deas sure don't look good if she's town so.

[Datisi]

deas, you don't have enough votes to kill me. put your vote somewhere useful in your next post or i'mma think you're scum stalling the clock out.

[Datisi]

scum stalling the clock out, got it.

[Datisi]

i thought you thought deas is scum?

[Datisi]

you don't have the votes to kill me.

stubbornly keeping your vote on there is nothing else but stalling.

[Datisi]

why

[Datisi]

hectic made a semi-convincing meta case a bit back

[Datisi]

sirius for the love of fuck, it's 20 hours to deadline, vote

[Datisi]

do you scumread anyone????

my preference is deas obviously

[Datisi]

VOTE: sirius

@town
vote deas to have a chance of hitting scum
vote sirius to start cleaning up useless slots that shouldn't get anywhere close to lylo
i'm good with either

[Datisi]

VOTE: deas

[Datisi]

someone here is hard townreading scum and it's fucking with everything

someone here is wrong and we really need a flip

remember when ari told me "datisi why are you being so rushy, we have 3 days"

ahahahahaAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Datisi]

hectic i was THIS CLOSE to moving to ydrasse but chara's folly haunts my dreams

[Datisi]

hectic, who are you Not townreading again?

[Datisi]

deas/reck lul ez gayme /s

fr creature can you move back then so we at least have e-2?