TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[Augustus Caesar]

the bulge
do you have any thoughts on my case on deas?

[Ydrasse]

Me turning this game into a hellhole and asking other teams thoughts about me now that they have to read this

Spoiler:

[Isis]

Votecount 2.3

• Sirius9121 (He/Him)
  (0)
  
• Augustus
  Caesar (He/Him)
  (0)
  
• Aristophanes (He/Him)
  (1) xRECKONERx
  
• Datisi (He/Him)
  (0)
  
• Ydrasse
  (She/Her)
  (1) DeasVail
  
• Creature (He/Him)
  (0)
  
• xofelf (They/Them)
  (1) Adorable
  
• DeasVail (He/Him)
  (4) Augustus Caesar, Creature, Datisi, Ydrasse
  
• The
  Bulge (Any/Any)
  (1)
  
• Adorable (She/Her)
  (0)
  
• xRECKONERx (He/Him)
  (0)

Not Voting (4): Sirius9121, Aristophanes, xofelf, The Bulge,
Deadline: (expired on 2021-02-14 04:00:00)

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Boss fight!

Lily is a special character that gives the mech 3 additional move on the first turn! But.. Lily moves only one space the first turn in this clip..
One damage taken, but for a boss fight on hard mode, that is pretty reasonable.
After each boss fight there is shopping. Shopping can take place next votecount.

[The Bulge]

I saw it. I like it. I was waiting for dv to respond to it some more

[Augustus Caesar]

good good

[The Bulge]

pichu what the hell man

[Ydrasse]

get his ass

[Augustus Caesar]

what's up?
i'm innocent

[Ydrasse]

HMMMMMMMM
that face IS rather cute.....

[Ydrasse]

ok fine. fine. you are. youre my locksoulheartread

[Augustus Caesar]

exactly
i would never murder you in your sleep

[Ydrasse]

nya ~

[Augustus Caesar]

Ydrasse replaces Summer Nights.

yikes
almost missed this scummy replaceout

[Ydrasse]

Angleshootings a little toxic imo :/ especially to me :////

[xRECKONERx]

idk why there's 5 pages of ydrasse and hectic flirting at each other with what looks like a bulge readlist thrown in but im not reading it right now

i hope somewhere in there someone (see: hectic, or whoever else) can explain why AtE is townie

[Augustus Caesar]

the game's solved now reck

[Sirius9121]

ydrasse why dont u alternate accounts between summer/ydrasse
that will be fun

[Ydrasse]

idk why there's 5 pages of ydrasse and hectic flirting at each other with what looks like a bulge readlist thrown in but im not reading it right now

i hope somewhere in there someone (see: hectic, or whoever else) can explain why AtE is townie

Why were you treating the lives of people this game like little musical chairs where we can kill willy nilly

and i said what i said these last 5 pages......

[Ydrasse]

ydrasse why dont u alternate accounts between summer/ydrasse
that will be fun

it's winter time

[Augustus Caesar]

can explain why AtE is townie

it's townie or NAI depending on what made the player mad
why did you not like the Deas wagon earlier?

[Creature]

-if deasvail is scum then I think that heavily points to creature as a partner

[Sirius9121]

i love how i dont exist

[Adorable]

to summarise:

>dues was VERY confident RCE was scum. last in his reads, and provided a scumcase on him
>dues unvotes as soon as RCE claims. he provides no explanation for why the claim should be given a night
>dues follows a vote onto Summer
>dues is not present while I am arguing that RCE should still die
>he now apparently doesn't really care if RCE is eliminated, and didn't attempt to discuss it with me or others at all


I think this is how a RCE partner handles this situation to a tee

I'm not able to see how this is scum indicative and this looks nai to me.

[The Bulge]

I have no idea what that means, but I think it gets townpoints?!?

[DeasVail]

oh oh oh
so
Deus

Why I still think RCEnigma is scum:

In summary, the posts made by RCE to me are indicative, not of someone who is trying to actually work out what's going on in the game, but of someone trying to post content and look like they're doing stuff. Obviously town want to post content too, but the first priority is actually deciding "what do I think is happening here? Who is town? Who is scum?" As scum in RCE's position, replacing into a slot under pressure, the priority is more along the lines of "quick! I need to look like I'm town and solving!"

The priorities are different.

I believe RCE's posting fits into the "quick! I need to look like I'm town and solving category".

Firstly, in 721, he comes up with a shortlist poe of three people, from the first 7 pages of the game. I believe this to be incredibly unnatural. Firstly, because of coming up with a poe team from the first 7 pages of the game when there's much more than that and he clearly hasn't caught up. But why as town are you even making yourself come up with a scumteam of 3 7 pages into a catchup anyway. The most likely explanation for this is so that he's looking like he's scumhunting, rather than natural scumhunting itself.

Similarly 722 reverts to commenting on how many scum are on the wagon, which is superficial and one of the easiest things to talk about as scum.

Consistent with my thoughts on the above is RCE's focus on the push of Adorable. If he was actually interested in reading me, a quick ISO (I don't have that many posts) would reveal my reasons for voting Adorable and also my pattern of going hard on pressuring people and re-evaluating my reads (examples being Adorable and Aristophanes). My approach this game has very clearly been to be aggressive, which RCE has noted, but I think the attempts to twist it as agenda-driven don't hold up with what I have posted. My coming around to a townread on Adorable was influenced by Peta's post, but with both Adorable and Aristophanes, there was still substantial suspicion and pressure from the game in general when I formed a townread. And I believe RCE has either ignored or hasn't thought to look for evidence that contradicts his thinking in relation to my slot. Similarly, he has ISO'd random people like Sirius but not me, despite being suspicious of my intimidation tactics. It doesn't fit with what I expect from town here.

I don't see anything in RCE's posts that is inconsistent with what I expect from scum in this position. Not all scum are going to be like beeboy and not post. Scum are supposed to try and look town, they're supposed to produce content and avoid being eliminated. This is exactly what I think RCE is doing.

^you landed a big case on RCE explaining all the reasons you thought he was scum. He was last in your reads and you seemed pretty confident about it.

he then claims, and you immediately unvote:

UNVOTE:

following this, he is in your "don't want to elim" pool. You try and find a new wagon in Summer, but the thing about this that bothers me is that you don't even provide reasoning for

why

RCE shouldn't be the elim today. You treat it as if it's an unspoken rule that a roleclaim like that should be given a night.

People I don't want to elim today:

Sirius, Aristophanes, Creature, xofelf, Adorable, xRECKONERx, RCEnigma (there's no real point in an elimination here right now to be honest, regardless of read on the slot)

The rest are potential options in my mind.

Summer Nights is the slot that I feel most indifferent about right now. Pushing there is kind of low value because she's not even really here, but it also feels like the most comfortable place for a vote. And peta voting there is eerie because it was the first thought in my mind when I unvoted as well and a lot of the reasons he has put forward are similar to what I have been thinking.

VOTE: Summer Nights

We then have this post:

I feel like I'm the only one that actually finds Summer's reaction to the wagon not very alignment-indicative?

Also I don't really care if RCE is eliminated and in some ways it would be a relief to have it be over but I don't know if I can bring myself to do it because I still am of the opinion that if you can test a claim then may as well test it. I was as gung-ho about eliminating RCE as anyone and I still think he is most likely scum but aaaahh why did he have to claim that?

Where I'm at:

[Town]-- Aristophanes - Adorable, xRECKONERx, xofelf -- petapan, Sirius9121 - Augustus Caesar -- Creature, Datisi, The Bulge - [NULL] -- Summer Nights ---- ???RCEnigma??? -- [Scum]

This is a general guide of my reads not taking into account RCE flip possibilities.

Main things of note are that petapan has jumped to a more solid townread for me. I feel a bit underwhelmed by Creature, Datisi and The Bulge currently for various reasons and am considering scum in that group. And yeah, I don't see much town in Summer's posting.

I've been going gungho on voting out RCE anyway, and you come back and say "I don't really care if RCE is eliminated". but then why did you unvote with such confidence and find another wagon without even discussing or commenting the claim? that tells me in your mind, it absolutely gives RCE a night, and that you didn't feel the need to even explain why to others.

You also don't attempt to talk me down or argue that RCE should be given a night, you just let it happen despite you clearly being of the opinion that he should from you unvote/vote on Summer. why? I think it might be because you're his scum buddy that doesn't want to go as far as to actually defend him and make yourself look really bad the next day if I get the elim through (or the day after if he dies day 2 when there's no extra kill on night 1)

VOTE: Deus

I strongly thought RCE was scum (as you point out)
In response to a quite potentially confirmable claim, I believe it is best practice to look elsewhere for that day especially in this situation where there are two other scum and RCE’s claim would undoubtedly have been disproven if untrue.
(I feel like this didn’t really need to be said when I unvoted because it’s obvious the reason I unvoted was because of the claim. I also don’t recall anyone asking for clarification at the time, so there was no reason for me to think it was unclear)

But the tricky part is that I REALLY thought RCE was scum. So am I going to try and stop him from being eliminated? No, because I was worried the whole time that I’d be stopping an elimination on scum and that’d be bad. (Before the claim I was almost as confident as I can get on RCE being scum)

Am I going to vote RCE myself? No, because my personal preference would be to wait to see if the role can be proven. Also some doubt in my read etc

Am I going to think about who else might be scum regardless of RCE’s flip? Yes, because even if RCE is scum, there are still two other people (I assume, I can’t remember whether that’s confirmed or not)

I apologise if my thought process wasn’t clear at the time and I can understand why it would seem a bit strange, but I also think it’s a very strange arc to take as scum. PUSHING relentlessly on RCE as soon as he replaces in and then suddenly stopping after a claim that is only going to buy him a night max.

I haven’t read everything else yet and am interested to see so many jump on but I thought I would do my best to clarify what my position was Day 1