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[samantha97]

The left side of my brain says that you're scum and the right side says that you're town.

Help me.

I thought I'd be mafia too when I read the thread (through page 7), but I'm a vanilla townie

gonna read the rest now but I skipped and spoiled zulfy's death, which is sad cause he seemed the most town out of everyone to that point lol

[samantha97]

ok hi I'm caught up

There is no way the setup has a cop

and

a doctor

and

scum didn't block or kill you last night. I'd sooner believe a second investigative than I would that.

That was my mindset as I was reading the end of day 1; I knew right away they were lying about joat, and my cynicism made me see it through the lens of them excusing mafia choosing someone else to kill. The counter argument to that is that they have to survive more than just that night and they claimed regular cop now, but then that "why would I do that?" argument can also be used as a shield by mafia. The nightkill pool was always going to be one of cabd/clidd/bendover based on everyone's station at the end of that day.

I'm glad bendover was nked though because that makes this day a lot simpler

there's 7 people alive and everyone is roleclaimed, and since I know I'm town the only logical thing to do today is to VOTE: maduisha

process of elimination should make tomorrow simple too

[samantha97]

How did you get here?

the part preceding it

cabd: cop
clidd: ??? town result + neighbor
maxwell: doctor
fuzzy: neopolitan
umlaut: neighborizer
maduisha: vanilla
me: vanilla

tomorrow 5 will likely be alive, and we'll have the information from your role and/or fuzzy's, or information in the lack of information, plus the death result(s)

although I did take for granted neighborizer would be town, and I just looked it up and saw it can be any

basically you get more from leaving power roles (fake or not) sans neighborizer alive today than a vanilla, and since I know I am vanilla that leaves the other vanilla or neighborizer

[samantha97]

If you think the doctor is town, and at least one of the investigatives is town, wouldn't you want to no-lim and force an extra clear that way?

I don't think anyone is town except clidd, but I also never even considered not lynching someone lol

but having considered it now, no, I wouldn't want to do that, because then we only could mess up once... right?

[samantha97]

then we only could mess up once... right?

what I meant there was that the next day would be lylo?

if we lynch today the pool would be reduced and we'd have 2 shots instead of 1, unless I'm missing something

[samantha97]

I just went through all of chumbo's mafia games, then compared 2 of maduisha's (town/mafia), and 2 of cabd's (town games - not mafia for years?) to this one

chumbo gave me nothing

viewtopic.php?p=12524008&user_select%5B%5D=35093 this game
viewtopic.php?p=12449995&user_select%5B%5D=35093 mason
viewtopic.php?p=12381275&user_select%5B%5D=35093 mafia


maduisha's were surprisingly similar, the main thing I noticed was that she was aggressive a lottt faster as town, and with mafia her tone visibly shifted. I also noticed a tendency to post too much information compared to town, like not a "slip" but rather trying too hard

viewtopic.php?p=12524333&user_select%5B%5D=33961 this game
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82949&user_select%5B%5D=33961 mafia
viewtopic.php?p=12469439&user_select%5B%5D=33961 town


I was planning to keep going down the list of players before posting anything, but holy heck is cabd posting differently in this game. I mean I get that they are games of different sizes with different players, and that can affect what you write a lot, but it's like night and day

viewtopic.php?p=12569559&user_select%5B%5D=20847 this game
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84949&user_select%5B%5D=20847 town 1
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85085&user_select%5B%5D=20847 town 2

it's so stark that it's noticeable even if you don't read what he wrote and just scroll down the pages quickly

[samantha97]

oh right I ignored tenet because that game seemed like a monstrosity of threads

[samantha97]

[samantha97]

Why'd you look at the meta of those players in particular?

was scrolling down page 1 then checked the most recent page and saw cadb post so was like ok I'll do him next lol

I already have a pretty good idea of dkkoba

[samantha97]

why separate yourself with vanillas?

[samantha97]

I don't have the same time invested as you all so I won't be that bothered if you lynch me today, but you are going to be in lylo tomorrow if you do

since I'm going to bed I'll just say that my instinct was that clidd and cadb were mafia going into day 2, it's only roles gave me any reason to think otherwise

[samantha97]

I don't really have much else to say if it's between me/maduisha/cadb. I guess one thing I haven't is that part of the benefit of reducing vanilla is that it makes a clear target for fuzzy. Echoing what I said before, I support maduisha for mechanical reasons and cadb for meta reasons + role lie. It's not just cadb's meta, but dkkoba was really reserved compared to how they usually are. That could just be because they were nervous about being a cop, though.

oh and I have no intention of voting for myself lol

[samantha97]

oh yeah these were my little bookmark notes when reading after joining to check meta for later

dkkoba :3
clidd autobiography; declarative; conductor
maduisha: chain posting; apologetic
cabd: autobiography

idk if that helps you read me at all but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[samantha97]

I still lean toward maduisha on interaction but it's something like 70% confidence and if I'm being fully honest I worry if I'm wrong and Samantha is scum and I stand in the way of voting her today, it all comes back on me.

well both could be wrong, but I find I regret a lack of conviction more than being wrong after a mafia game

nothing hurts more than the one that got away

[samantha97]

That's understandable, but I need to see more of where your head is at. Are you still settled on Maduisha as scum. Who do you see as potentially cum otherwise? You started meta-ing everyone and then it came to a halt, I'd like to hear your thoughts on what people have done in

this

game

maduisha is more process of elimination than reading them as anything, but in general I'm suspicious of a "I'll support you guys lynching me if it'll help uwu" sentiment

the halt was because of how dramatically different cadb's posts were to the point where I felt like I didn't have to look further; I'd rather not put extra effort in until tomorrow, especially if it's just between the 3 of us

[samantha97]

Wait, you shouldn't self. I mean, if you're town, this is your time to fight for your life.

[samantha97]

no idea why you guys aren't suspecting that that was a gambit

I mean... it even worked lol

[samantha97]

obviously it's possible that she's just town but she pounced on that as soon as it started, and there's no way town would want town to go into the next day knowing they had only 1 attempt to get it right

[samantha97]

what just happened was a manifestation of what I found suspicious before, so yeah?

[samantha97]

pretty much

the note I had about being apologetic might be something but yeah that's about it

[samantha97]

I know you're still saying you think I'm town but it bugs me regardless so I wanna say this: no mafia is gonna fake #777

when I joined I roleclaimed without even reading any current pages; I had only read page 1-7 and skipped to zulfy's death. I didn't even know what the nk was. I had bendover in my notes as something like "one foot out the door", since he seemed to be noncommittal and playing both sides, but I deleted it when I read up to page 2

to expand on dkkoba being ":3", like I said before, I already am pretty familiar with dkkoba so that was just an intent to search for their use of :3 and see if that was indicative of anything. But it turned out impossible to search that on this site since it was too few characters, and google just turns up with "3" and ignores the colon

[samantha97]

day 2* not page 2

[samantha97]

I don't think I started taking notes until after I joined

the reason why I only read seven pages to begin with was because I wasn't sure if someone else had already replaced in (it had been hours)

[samantha97]

because mafia wouldn't even think to do that? heck, even I didn't think to post them as town until I noticed it was still open in notepad

[samantha97]

I already answered that before, but it was just scrolling down page 1 and going in order of posts there, then I refreshed the current page out of curiosity and decided to do cabd next

that's why chumbo was first

[samantha97]

I'm starting to wonder if it's maxwell+maduisha tbh

maxwell was attacking maduisha but never voted for her, and was always preferring cabd

both of them have convenient claims, with maxwell claiming only after it was apparent he was targeted by fuzzy

then there is his supposed progression from being absolutely certain I'm town to 70% to 50% to voting for me

this question round strikes me as an attempt to flip back to me away from maduisha, especially when I look back and find he was the one who asked about the order of the isos to begin with

and his posts seem all about positioning himself in a good way, e.g.

Spoiler:

I want to reread one more time before the hammer.

Rereading Maduisha's ast post I don't like it as much. This is harder than it has any right to be.

There's always the possibility, but I didn't think she seemed the type, I guess it's something Cabd could have come up with.

UNVOTE:

I worry if I'm wrong and Samantha is scum and I stand in the way of voting her today, it all comes back on me.

maybe it's just paranoia but regardless of today I think you all should take a long hard look at him tomorrow

[samantha97]

you still have to survive another day, and you've already claimed to care about how things make you look

[samantha97]

btw the funny part is I wrote that before he pushed to save maduisha

My reread took me to the opposite conclusion as clidd - on looking back, I don't find nepenthe or samantha towny at all and my reasons for thinking so weren't very good. I've got a hunch that I'm wrong here.

I'm waffling a lot for sure but would appreciate it if Maduisha would unvote here.

it feels good being right

[samantha97]

I've been accused of being mafia from day 1 to the end of the game before by a fellow mafia teammate

I'm not going to say it's a good strategy, but it's not like it's rare

the idea is that if they get one of you they won't get both

[samantha97]

scenario a) "I was roleblocked"
or the more likely
scenario b) "wow cabd is mafia"

I mean take his own words instead of mine

We miss today, scum just claims a fake guilty in ELo, that 'information' isn't worth much, and theres always one player who unthinkingly sheeps it (fuzzy looks like he'd follow cabd off a cliff at this point). Entirely better to resolve the claims today, you can eliminate me for all I care if you promise to sheep me.


As it is, your vote on maduisha stands basically no chance of getting through, you're more suspected than her by everyone except me because of nepenthe's inactivity and it's not really likely you're going to be able to shift those impressions given the amount of time and the gamestate.

[samantha97]

actually nm that doesn't account for maduisha being mafia

[samantha97]

it's hard for me to admit being wrong but his posts felt like they had an agenda

[samantha97]

well your hunch is bad

if you really don't want to lynch maduisha for some reason then I can vote for cabd if there's support for it

[samantha97]

Not least of which is that the "doctor's" target wasn't either of the claims on the board.

...that's a good point.

UNVOTE: Cabd

Let's hear the rest of it.

that was never addressed, was it?

[samantha97]

oh sorry I meant the rationale behind targeting clidd

[samantha97]

yeah I gaslit myself at the top of the page when I said I was wrong, because that only applied if you successfully got lynched

[samantha97]

Not Voting (4): maxwell

[samantha97]

he had to claim a power role and doctor was definitely not in the game

also letting the wagon sit at e-1 was not in his power, as he wasn't voting on it

and as for why you were voting yourself, it was probably a gambit

nothing's for certain since I'm not omniscient, but it is logical

[samantha97]

you done goofed

[samantha97]

I mean Ive been fairly frank about that choice:

I guess I should have been more clear when clarifying lol

I meant maxwell targeting him

[samantha97]

yes it happened in a vacuum and not as a response to your behavior

[samantha97]

I retract that offer anyway, that was before I realized I had some kind of psychotic episode or something at the top of the page

@everyone else:
viewtopic.php?p=12560866#p12560866

if you look there, he claimed doctor just before cabd claimed cop

I think the logic behind claiming doctor was the commuter aspect of the joat made it less likely to be counterclaimed, but I'm not familiar with how power roles are balanced in games of this size

[samantha97]

are you forgetting umlaut said he was derailing?

[samantha97]

I didn't agree with him there (didn't comment on it) but I had already said he was trying to shift it away from you before that, the point was just that it wasn't me fabricating something

and if you resigned yourself to senselessly being a poe elimination, why are you bothered with the deadline? you already have your vote there

[samantha97]

oh i c

what do you think about maxwell independent of you?

[samantha97]

Sam, Fuzzy and Cabd know what to do tonight.

instructions unclear

who am I targeting again

[samantha97]

just w8ing on fuzzy's result

also

So... there's no way both Fuzzy and Maxwell are town, right?

I think we just eliminate them both and autowin.

there is a way: you could be mafia

only way it'd be mechanically impossible for mafia to win would be if cabd lived

[samantha97]

btw I was so confident yesterday that I made that gif 2 pages ago just to post after maduisha came up mafia lol

[samantha97]

Sorry Umlaut but you are wrong I am not a follower. I am a two-shot Non-Consectaive VT Cop

are you a 'vt cop' or 'neapolitan'

[samantha97]

I still want an answer before the day ends, but ultimately gonna VOTE: maxwell regardless

[samantha97]

neapolitan does make sense as a mafia role, but also 'simple doctor' is the only power role that doesn't have x-shot claimed in this game

also setup would require I ignore posts so I'd rather do fuzzy tomorrow and concede to mafia umlaut

[samantha97]

unless clidd has a strong opinion that umlaut is mafia the game is already decided anyway

I'll vote fuzzy if it'll end the day faster idc

[samantha97]

Sam- are you trying to lynch scum or just vote to get the easiest lynch bc thats what your last post seems to point to. Honestly i dont like it at all.
VOTE: Sam

if you really have the ability to check if I'm town or not, why would you vote me lol

you gotta try harder

[samantha97]

VOTE: fuzzy

bye everyone goodluck

[samantha97]

I dunno if mod will accept fast night requests but I'm gonna request it anyway & hope you all do too

[samantha97]

ya I feel bad for mafia when town get replaced

[samantha97]

I thought his vote count was wrong but also thought it didn't really matter lol

[samantha97]

nice playing with you all