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[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe Titus shouldn’t have been so scummy. I honestly don’t blame myself at all for eliminating them, and i would do it again gladly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus was mainly pushing DGB and i really didn’t scumread them. As you’d see from my ISO. Chkflip i realized was much scummier than initially expected so i changed my mind on it after guving it more of a thought. Sure you can call me out in townreading scum, but if i really wanted to protect them and set up your elimination tommorow it would be much more easy for me to buy into Titus’s bullshit and not spend years arguing against Chkflip.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sure i know that you’re "not there" yet. But if i’m going to see doubt pushed unto my slot when i’ve argued harshly against both N_M and Chkflip because "scum can take different sides" like you say then i’d rather refute it immediately.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ew Hayker. Why are your reads so awful.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mom is literally confirmed town and you have her in your suspicions. What are you doing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe i’m delusional, but all i remember from yesterday is Chkflip shading me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bina - Role watcher (universal backup)
Gamma-???
Norwee- VT
Andres- VT
Molla -???
Luca - VT
Hayker - VT
Vax - ???

[NorwegianboyEE]

What does that even mean

[NorwegianboyEE]

like there's gotta be at least one scum in {Luca, Andres, NorwEE}

Ok. But do you have any actual evidence.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think we need the Vig to Claim. I at least would like to have that.

Actually, it doesn't have to be a vig. 3P comes to mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think we need the Vig to Claim. I at least would like to have that.

Actually, it doesn't have to be a vig. 3P comes to mind.

Are there 3p in normal games?

Yeah. Large 228 had a SK.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just find it strange that vig wouldn't shoot N_M when they were confirmed scum unless they had a modifier or was blocked.
But if it's just Gamma then he should claim it so we can be sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd guess scum would have a blocker of some kind and the supposed vigilante would have a modifier. Or their shot target was always protected.
I suppose it makes sense in a game with 3 doctor type roles and 1 roleblocker.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Norwee is most likely the one in that list to be scum With Vax.

Why do you always end up linking me to actual scum in the dumbest ways.
Eliminate Vax first at least. If they are my partner then look at that, i'm screwing my supposed teammate over.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Giving the Scum a 1-Shot Strongman in a game with an SK would be preposterous.

Like in what world does that SK ever get close to winning? The SK would quickly shoot N1 potentially trying to hide behind the cover of a Vig, and then the Scum can find them and nuke them in 1 shot? That would be horrible. What a waste of a slot. I’d be pissed.

Idk man, i just find it a bit too convenient that we HAVE to assume it's a vig.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm guessing Binatog target Andresvmb.
Please confirm it though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it's neither.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still would want the confirmations from Gamma and Binatog just to be sure.
But fairly sure Vaxkiller has to be one at least.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If there are 2 scum left then i'm thinking BBMolla and Vax.

[NorwegianboyEE]

BBMolla (6): Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball, Hayker, Luca Blight, NorwegianboyEE, BBMolla [E-2]
PlusJOYED (4): Titus, Momrangal, chkflip, Andresvmb

Notice no Chkflip here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gamma Emerald

is aligned with the

Town

Ok so we have 4 confirmed town.
This game is over for scum then.

Vote Vax.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Literally the only way y’all could screw up this if you don’t eliminate in all of BBMolla/Vaxkiller/Hayker.
And whatever other dweebs are voting me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andresvmb this is really obvious, please don’t make the wrong choice.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If the choice was between Hayker/Titus and you/Vax are a team then technically you wouldn’t need to do anything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’re saying "hope you guys are right about Vax" because you want to eliminate in those slots even if Vax most likely flips scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t have more to say so i’m fine with it.
Yeet Vax.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Molla is getting desperate now that remaining scum need to go against 4 conf!town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like why did they assume third party?

No vig claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

To argue that i’m insane to believe it could be third party is literally TMI’ing that there are 4 scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If we have a vig that’s 1shot or whatever then they should have shot N_M.
If they are town they should claim. Then we have 5 confirmed town essentially. There’s no way in hell scum would win in that scenario.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either way i think Vax is a good lim because of how scummy their argumentation has been.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which as far as I’m aware has compulsive kills

What’s a plausible theory as to how these kills were blocked?

What do you mean.
Not even mafia has compulsive kills.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But if the Vig *doesn’t* have to claim, and they want to take more shots, then that would be a good reason not to out.

Yep that is a reasonable assumption and I’ve never disputed it

Well that makes it easy.
Vote Vax/Hayker/Molla to win the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s quite obvious that scum were on the sidelines for the Titus elimination and now they are harping on the: "town can’t all be on a wagon. Impossible lol" false reasoning to secure more mislims.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vax was blatantly trying to paint Gamma’s defense of me like he was my scum partner for gods sake.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t have more to say so i’m fine with it.
Yeet Vax.

Why do you keep on doing this? You keep wanting to but in on every conversation to be relevant or something

That's just me wanting to get my five cents out.
I'm a bit hyperactive ok.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

I need a moment

You weren't actually voting anyone btw.

Just thought it'd be funny to point that out.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's still hope that Andres knows what up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

To put things into perspective.

Luca Blight and Gamma Emerald are intimately familiar with my town and scumplay, and they are voting Vaxkiller.

Momrangal, Hayker and BBMolla are not familiar with my playstyle at all and barely know me outside of this single game. And they are voting me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean it's not a big deal if i'm limmed here. Hopefully Momrangal will just re-evaluate and actually vote Vaxkiller tommorow.
Like i said, if you guys manage to screw up a game with 4 conf!town you deserve some kind of award.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i’m not 100% sure which would be which, but i’m assuming the mafia and SK were all on my wagon yesterday.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ll do some more comprehensive analyzis but first impression is that my solve is correct and Vax/BBMolla/Hayker wins us the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gamma and Andresvmb are 100% confirmed town so from my POV it only really leaves Luca / Hayker / Molla as the possibility of mafia/SK. I highly doubt Luca is the mafia, maybe i shouldn't shelve the possibility of SK. But considering how Hayker/Molla has been playing i think it's much more likely in those two.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually never mind that, i just remembered that Andresvmb got rolecopped, but that's all we know about him. So SK is still on the table for him.
The only 100% confirmed town is Gamma Emerald.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So to summarize:

Gamma Emerald - Confirmed

Town

Andresvmb - Confirmed not mafia, either

Town

Or

Serial Killer

Luca Blight - Likely

Town

but possibility of

Serial Killer

BBMolla - Likely either

Mafia

or

Serial Killer

Hayker - Likely either

Mafia

or

Serial Killer

[NorwegianboyEE]

My vote today is most likely going to be either one of BBMolla or Hayker. But i'll wait to see what everyone else has to say about the game and my solve before i place my vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah it's probably very likely that Hayker is the last mafia.
VOTE: Hayker
If he flips maf then tommorow will be interesting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hm yeah, Andresvmb brings out some logic about Molla not having the survivor mentality by self-voting and etc. But i'm not entirely sure i buy it, i also find it likely they could have scum sided as SK by trying to vote me when Vax/Hayker was fighting for my lim.
Then again Luca have been a bit more lacking in this game, and even though i highly doubted he was mafia the whole time they are obviously not cleared from being third party.

Andresvmb, hmm idk i don't really see SK playing like he has. Unless he is really good, (and it also would be pretty ballsy if he admitted to being SK and winning before if he is SK here. lol)

[NorwegianboyEE]

We could also no lim today to make it more obvious who the last enemy is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm gonna have to look more at Molla's ISO.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Molla can you explain why you trusted Hayker/Vaxkiller in their push on me yesterday?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m gonna submit a Vig on Luca and hope that I’m secretly a vig and it goes through

Paranoia quote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why did you post this initially before jumping on me later?

Scum are hiding in (Luca, Vax, Gamma, Plusjoyed, Hayker)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbf that was an old post, i'm just skimming through them all right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

we want to no lim or nah?

You know I thought about this, and it would narrow it down by one and maybe make it more obvious, but I don’t know. I’m kind of tired of this game? But I want to see what Norwegian says because if they disagree strongly about Luca for example then yeah actually No Killing is optimal.

Can you sell me on why you think it's more likely Luca?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If people still think I’m scum kill me

I don’t want to be this fucking miselim that scum hangs onto till then and pushes through

Like WTF is this BBmolla?

I have absolutely zero confidence in any of the town leaders to not miselim me in LYLO

I mean, sure it's looking weird for SK to post this based on surface level logic.
But Molla isn't actually claiming he wants to just be the elimination. It's that he wants to live through ElO. Which is kinda 3 party ish? I mean he's accepting that he might get limmed early here, but he also really wants to survive to the end because he doesn't trust "town leaders" to let him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm going to need input from Luca and his takes too.
But i'm slightly leaning on Molla being my vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think i'm particularly experienced with your slot. But i assume you're good for join date + amount of posts and games you've been in.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: No Lim

I’m A-Okay forcing the SK to happily ever after if he refuses to kill

What does that mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That’s cute but i’d rather just have us make an elim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Whoever the SK is have played really well just for the record. No matter which one it is. Even BBMolla. So i wouldn’t feel terribly bad if i’m wrong on Andres/Luca here. But yeah, i’d rather just end the game and hope my three-way solve was completely right.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: BBMolla

[NorwegianboyEE]

Going to sleep.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It reminds me a bit of that newbie game where a guy said we should no lim for 5 day phases or until the sole remaining mafia goon failed to kill the tracker... Instead of just eliminating the mafia that was already pretty much suspected by everyone already. And we got in a huge fight over it because he insisted we play "optimally" while i argued it was just stupid and he started scumreading me as an result.

True story.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Regarding your non AtE points.
Chkflip claimed Vanilla cop which i’d expect to be the target of any SK even if they defend your slot.
Insisting it’s not SK does fall in line with a game where nobody was aware of this possibility until Chkflip died in the first place.
Momrangal could have been scum kill too? Did we ever clarify that it had to be the SK kill? What was the reasoning behind that?
Fake claiming miller is unfortunateky, rather convenient for a 3P role so even if it’s not advisable i don’t see why SK couldn’t do it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, if you aren’t SK. Who is? I’d like to see more solving from you than AtE if you are in fact the final mislim you keep bringing up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have prior experience with Luca but not Andresvmb.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i die and all that happens is that Molla is voted then what’s the point of a no kill.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or if we’re doing it. Shouldn’t we discuss what a kill on "x" would mean for the allignment of "y" and vice verca?
An completely unorganized to kill is unacceptable if there is no clear framework of what town wins or gains.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Unorganized no!kill*

[NorwegianboyEE]

So that happened.
Luca was happy to vote Molla but could see SK in both of us, however it seemed unlikely.
Andres was fine ish voting Molla and said he likely wouldn't vote me but could see SK in both Luca/me as well.
This isn't exactly a good situation for the game to be in just before i go to bed and am feeling tired, i can't really think about the motivation behind the kill. Unless it would somehow be too obvious who the SK is if Molla didn't die. Actually yeah, it's probably a kill to deny any information gauged from the flip. Which might have made it too obvious who the deepwolf is.
This is really demotivating as Luca said.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andres you said you had played as SK before? Can you link that game to me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

In my defense. I don't know what on earth i would gain from killing Molla here after arguing from D6 that they were a part of my final game solve. I thought for sure SK!Molla was scum siding with Vaxkiller and Hayker to eliminate me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually i'm not sure what Luca gains from that either.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wouldn’t do some risky play like that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I would probably shoot either Luca or Andres and argue for Molla SK if anything. That’s what i think would make the most sense if i was in that situation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

By just my knowledge of Lucas psyche i think he plays it safe here but Andres i think could pull some stunt like that.
This isn’t even a read based on previous posts. Just general psychology.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway please don’t make any hasty judgements. I’ll be back tommorow and give this another look.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sleep thoughts#
I don’t think SK!Luca would act swayed by Molla’s AtE yesterday.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well this sucks.
I don't know how to convince whichever one of you is town. It seems the decision is already made so gg i guess?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not one to drag out a day if it's going to be a waste of my time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm guessing here. If it's correct i'll get bragging rights either way.
VOTE: Andresvmb

[NorwegianboyEE]

My mind isn’t made up, but I’m leaning towards it being you atm.

Yeah, i got that.
If you got any questions you can ask them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow. That’s how you lose a game Luca.
Dissapointing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was town. You should feel bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

All that effort i put into this game, just wasted.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I should have let mafia kill you all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I killed Molla because his AtE was really annoying and as a revenge for screwing me over wuth that no elimination bullshit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What would i do?
No kill? Never in my life, i don’t play that way.
Kill Luca? Why would SK!Molla kill him and have Andres/me when Luca is who he was gunning for? No.
Kill Andres? Why would Molla kill Andres when he was the one defending him the hardest?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I shot Andres both N1 and N2 and it failed both times. I wanted him dead from the get go.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The "pretend 3P doesn’t exist" strategy wasn’t an intentional strategy from my part. I only decided on it from N2 onward since there were so many blockers and doctors n shit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My main reason for killing Chkflip was because he was the mafia rolecop and i knew that if mafia ever rolecopped me they would make my life harder.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i’d had things my way i would have killed Andresvmb and Momrangal N1 and N2 consequently as they were the most hostile slots.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was planning to pretend SK didn’t exist at any point but it became problematic when at least 4 players became confirmed not mafia so i had to reveal the existence of SK by limiting their number so as not to get PoE’d.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My scum hunting was completely genuine the whole way. I really did believe Nero and Titus had s decent chance at flipping scum. Of course, it did not matter to me if they were town so i might have been more aggressive than usual. But there was no lie to my logic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus teaming up with the obvious fake claiming PR Chkflip really sold it to me that they were alligned.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At least i lived longer than mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What would i do?
No kill? Never in my life, i don’t play that way.
Kill Luca? Why would SK!Molla kill him and have Andres/me when Luca is who he was gunning for? No.
Kill Andres? Why would Molla kill Andres when he was the one defending him the hardest?

andres was still the best play there, trust me

Yeah i was just a bit taken aback from how bad that no elimination VC looked for me so i didn't even know what to do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I honestly didn't expect Luca to unvote Molla there and go for a no lim and that really fucked me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I shot Andres both N1 and N2 and it failed both times. I wanted him dead from the get go.

Why did it fail?

You blocked me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VCA sucks when missing a whole faction.

Also, I knew that Norway argument was in bad faith. He just didn't fit with the VCA.

It’s not like i lied, your VCA was bad.
Just for the reason that you didn’t have the relevant information.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Analyzing my own play. I did well up until the end where i got too impatient. I should have voted no elimnation from the start instead of trying to rambo the Molla elimination and then shot Luca or Andresvmb, i just got so freaking stressed at the end there that i didn't know what i was doing so i made a really subpar kill because i had no idea what else to do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I knew i had come really far and needed to NOT mess up, and that nervousness made me mess up.
I guess is the story here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I shot Andres both N1 and N2 and it failed both times. I wanted him dead from the get go.

Norwegian, I am taking this as a compliment, and I’ll accept it.

If you hadn’t made that mistake at the end, I probably don’t figure you out. I think you played fantastic given the cards you were dealt.

I have a lot of praise for a lot of players here. And chkflip was actually fantastic Scum. Would take that as my Scum Partner any day of the week.

You played really well too, that's one of the main reasons i wanted you gone. I felt like you would catch me at some point and you were taking way too much control over the game. That's one of the reasons i challenged you and tried to force you down from the pedestal at one point because you really were close to becoming the town leader and i didn't want that to happen as it was the kinda position i was gunning for haha. I did eventually decide to keep you around though, because i felt like i had started to fool you and you would townread me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like the fact that he didn't seem to care that he was eliminating town after town.

Needed to fake more tears at Nero's funeral.

[NorwegianboyEE]

btw in terms of SKs, I thought giving them non-con commuting was cool

I liked it too. It really made me consider how "townie" i was at all points, as i knew that if i was to be considered too much of a threat to the scum team i would need to commute in order to not become the NK. But i couldn't spam the commute either as it was non-consecutive.
Really fun role.