TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[xRECKONERx]

ari you have posted a LOT in 24 hours but almost none of it is reads or gamesolving or progression hm

[Ydrasse]

ari you have posted a LOT in 24 hours but almost none of it is reads or gamesolving or progression hm

what do you think about the things he has posted then?

[Ydrasse]

a-anyone there?

i so alone..

Spoiler:

[Aristophanes]

ari you have posted a LOT in 24 hours but almost none of it is reads or gamesolving or progression hm

That's true. As noted it was mostly reacting to the present and not doing Isodives as I'd hoped.

I think realtime interactions are very important so I took the chance to have them last night.

[Aristophanes]

you feel sorry for getting mad, really? huh. i had no remorse for getting that peeved LMAO

i'm okay, just doing some paperwork stuff, super super boring but i'm comfortable at least while doing it :> also this fortuitously comes at a moment where i am very into the concept of playing mafia

Quite fortuitous indeed!

And yeah I don't like getting worked up like that for dumb shot like Mafia haha

[xRECKONERx]

ari you have posted a LOT in 24 hours but almost none of it is reads or gamesolving or progression hm

what do you think about the things he has posted then?

...that none of it reads as gamesolving or progression

are you like, reading the fucking post you're quoting

[xRECKONERx]

ari you have posted a LOT in 24 hours but almost none of it is reads or gamesolving or progression hm

That's true. As noted it was mostly reacting to the present and not doing Isodives as I'd hoped.

I think realtime interactions are very important so I took the chance to have them last night.

and what did you glean from those real time interactions

[xRECKONERx]

bc 87-98% of it looked like fluff joking flirty bullshit

[Ydrasse]

ari you have posted a LOT in 24 hours but almost none of it is reads or gamesolving or progression hm

what do you think about the things he has posted then?

...that none of it reads as gamesolving or progression

are you like, reading the fucking post you're quoting

“almost none of it”

yes i am reading your post

[Ydrasse]

about to make it 100% fluff at this rate

[xRECKONERx]

yes, my read on it is that most of what ari said is fluff/irrelevant/useless. it does not solve for the PRIMARY PROBLEM i have with ari this game and the case i laid out what feels like weeks ago at this point. like none of the points i made here have been addressed

- ari has still done nothing to address his read on me or case on me other than soft backpedaling and promising a re-read
- he still hasn't explained anything around his hard defense of beeboy from the meta push and overall weird play around that wagon
- a lot of my entire thrust was that ari spends his posts joking and trying to be part of the "in crowd" instead of trying to play the game and he has now actually admitted to just blatantly doing that by trying to get "real time reactions"...but STILL HAS NO READS/REACTIONS/INSIGHTS from it

it's just filler content for the sake of filler content. i'm happy to leave my vote where it is. your absolutely empty reasonless push on creature, btw, is noticed and tagged as distracting from the aristophanes wagon

[Creature]

In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity

[Creature]

Goddamn man sorry for having so little time

[Creature]

This will probably go against my team's interests, but I want to work around the world xoffer and DeasVail are town.

[Creature]

From the remaining players, I still have Datisi as top town.

[Creature]

I'm really meh about Reck. Though I find it towny Reck has been constantly ignored as I would expect scum to gain a little more consideration in their pushes.

[Creature]

VOTE: creature

let's see what this does?

VOTE: Creature

Ydrasse and Hectic both feel like they've been just jumping in any wagon so far. What a real lack of town conviction.

[Aristophanes]

yes, my read on it is that most of what ari said is fluff/irrelevant/useless. it does not solve for the PRIMARY PROBLEM i have with ari this game and the case i laid out what feels like weeks ago at this point. like none of the points i made here have been addressed

- ari has still done nothing to address his read on me or case on me other than soft backpedaling and promising a re-read
- he still hasn't explained anything around his hard defense of beeboy from the meta push and overall weird play around that wagon
- a lot of my entire thrust was that ari spends his posts joking and trying to be part of the "in crowd" instead of trying to play the game and he has now actually admitted to just blatantly doing that by trying to get "real time reactions"...but STILL HAS NO READS/REACTIONS/INSIGHTS from it

it's just filler content for the sake of filler content. i'm happy to leave my vote where it is. your absolutely empty reasonless push on creature, btw, is noticed and tagged as distracting from the aristophanes wagon

Alright looking at that post you linked here.

I can address points 2 and 3 of this post though without looking back.

re: beeboy wagon
I thought I already responded to this but if not, here we go. Jingle did think that the meta argument for beeboy was good despite Datisi's linked example being not the greatest. He also told me they'd like to see RCE go as RCE did nothing towny with the slot.
My own defense of it, however, was that while we could compromise on the slot, I was more inclined to let beeboy either get replaced or get content. I don't have the same experience with his meta and thus was not as on board for a non-stot Elim.

re: "real time reactions"
I'm trying to get back into this game after whet feels like months of neglect. I find it easier to do so via talking to people when they're around and going through Isos. I am therefore prioritizing the two methods here. I agree that I've had a lot of surface play and have lacked depth. I'll change that in time.

The post in question:

<snip>

The xof wagon still feels mmmmmm bad. So does DV.

Might I entice you all on some juicy ARISTOPHANES?
Might some of you answer my questions re: Summer Nights?

I posted why I think Ari is town on Day 1, and given that he hasn’t posted much at all since then, I think it remains relevant.

I don't know that I need to do this, but here's a full summary of Ari's actions this game

- RVS bullshit [feat. weak feigned serious push when: peta votes sirius]
- votes me for feeling "off" after Hectic invites him onto my wagon
- white knights Adorable while completely dodging me asking him to explain why i'm "off"
- DISAPPEARS FOR A LONG BIT
- comes back to back off of me and continue to defend Adorable while still not calling anyone suspicious or scummy
- doubles back down on defending Adorable to come all the way back around to just tunneling on me again
- peppers his next "catch up" with hearts and smiley faces and jokes and memes but doesn't actually deliver game relevant content
- defended beeboy from the meta push on him in 460 ("well xof hasn't been here either!")
- when beeboy pipes back in, Ari is a fan of giving him time to catch up and produce content
- unvotes me while still calling me scum and saying he's gonna focus on other things but spends the majority of his post still shading me?
- very supportive of RCE catching up and giving thoughts. idk. just read his posts around beeboy/RCE, they're "off" to use ari's own word
- uses teammates (anonymous teammate, not a named one, mind you) as a reason to setup a jump back onto RCE.
- NEVER votes back on RCE, never does anything about the wagon actually. shows up d2 to be like "well i guess i shoulda listened huh" and that's IT

I implore you to ISO ari. it's VERY short because there's almost nothing there. what is there is i would easily say half joking cutesy posts that don't add anything to the gamestate or put himself at risk in any way. ari has spent the game defending people or calling people town. outside of his tunneling on me, he hasn't pushed any scumreads.

actually, it's funny. there's this little neat concept called projection and whoopsie daisy what do we have here?

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I know I'm questioned later on my wording in response to my response to this response, but what I meant by

Reck using this to tunnel them

, as I believe I put it, is that if

Reck sticks to the rage or commentary about this slot and thefact that Alts shouldn't be in this game and gimmicks are dumb rather than providing content I think that is scum indicative and a way to look busy without actually contributing

. I haven't read what they've said after that response but I'm hoping they're *doing things* because otherwise this could indicate scum!Reck. I hope that makes things clearer here.

snip

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Lol I can hear the Clap Emotes and they aren't even here XD
Uh,

this is kind of the hyperfocusing on one thing that I was worried about with Reck WRT Hectic

. I think he's found a new target and honestly this is a pretty big red flag imo. FoS on you my friend.

snip

Oh look, Reck is still sticking on this after it's been resolved. Just like I figured they would.

Fuckit
VOTE: Reck

That was short lived.

End of pg 10.
We're getting there. Sorry everyone (:

ARISTOPHANES IS LITERALLY DOING THE EXACT THING THIS WHOLE GAME THAT HE PROJECTED ONTO ME DOING

first ari said i was tunneling/focusing on hectic by focusing on one thing the whole game so i wouldn't have to get involved elsewhere

then ari said i was doing the same thing with adorable

but ACTUALLY ari is the one that has been doing it all game. he has leaned on his scumread on ME in order to avoid doing useful shit elsewhere. like, he literally projected onto me his own guilty subconscious/anxiety lmfao. couple that with gross positioning around the RCE/beeboy wagon and i fail to see how more people aren't chomping at the bit for ari to die.

- Okay I forgot about the xof thing but I thought it was analogous at the time so meh, I don't know what you want me to say there.
- I know you said my catchup was peppered with hearts and smilies but that's also kind of my thing so ???
- I defended beeboy hoping they would create content. Why is it weird that I gave them the space to do so?
- I explained the unvote on you as well so *shrugs*
- I gave RCE the same treatment as beeboy because I wanted content from the slot. I would do that with any slot. Why is that, to use my words, "off"?
- Did I not name Jingle? It was Jingle that wanted me back on RCE.
- Yeah, iirc I was busy and disappeared. It's a common theme here. I thought you'd have picked up on that by now.
(those are responses to the point forms but not every point form but I tried to give the context needed to see what I was responding to)

re: the quotes and tunnelling/focusing
First I said I was worried that was what you were going to do, not that it was what you were doing, and that I'd keep an eye on it.
Then I responded to you doing what I expected to see you do to one slot on another slot and went "huh, that might be AI and what I was expecting, just in a different direction than I'd though." This after like what 15 pages of being stuck on the same benign point!? Where was I wrong?
And no, I don't think I've tunneled you this game actually. I believe I said I'd reconsider things on you many times and if you look at my posts, I've come around on you a lot. Just because something keeps reemerging doesn't make it a tunnel.
And you keep directly asking me to address the points around you, so obviously I'm giving you my time because of this. You're creating the tunnel you are perceiving which is kind of funny actually.

I guess tho to address the first bullet point of this whole thing where you say I've done nothing to address my read/case on you and have not Iso'd you or addressed my softbackpedal as you called it, all I can say is that I keep coming back to address you but your points are the same thing over and over and I don't know what else I can say on most of them any more. Maybe we should go back to reading each other based on interactions with others because clearly we're not getting anywhere via interactions between each other. That said I'm happy to address whatever you like, I merely feel like it's all just rehashing old things I've already talked about.

[Datisi]

ari do you have any actual reads and can you get onto a wagon

it's that time of day where not voting is actively anti-town because scum wants to run the clock down and i'd really love it if i didn't have to beg people to start voting as if we're playing in a newbie game

the above goes @sirius and @xof as well

stop being dead weight and vote someone

[Aristophanes]

ari do you have any actual reads and can you get onto a wagon

it's that time of day where not voting is actively anti-town because scum wants to run the clock down and i'd really love it if i didn't have to beg people to start voting as if we're playing in a newbie game

the above goes @sirius and @xof as well

stop being dead weight and vote someone

Yeah I can do that.

There's 3 days left though and a lot can change. I think you're overplaying that a bit much here.

[Creature]

Yawn man. DGB is asking why is xofelf still alive. All their posts so far reek demotivated scum.

[Aristophanes]

Yawn man. DGB is asking why is xofelf still alive. All their posts so far reek demotivated scum.

Really? My team (Jingle) has told me Hectic's towncase for xof was pretty solid and I think they're just having a hard time engaging here.

I could ass them to my slots to iso but I have a feeling they're going to come out as town.

[DeasVail]

VOTE: deasvail

let us ride bravely onto this wagon brothers

I keep going back to this as being a strange "uh what do I say to make me hopping onto this wagon look okay?" kind of post, especially now that it seems Ydrasse didn't actually have a read on me at this stage anyway? (interpreted from Ydrasse's later posting about me)

I am not as comfortable with it as I was before but I'm probably still preferring an Ydrasse elim here.

Would settle for Sirius as policy but it feels lazy.

I still think Ari is town. I don't think the lack of reads is an especially scummy thing because Ari-scum would know that that's what people want. I can't see the disappearance from the thread as AI at all. I could be wrong and I don't think Ari has done much to progress the town, as such, but I have difficulty seeing it as scum.

[DeasVail]

I could ass them to my slots to iso but I have a feeling they're going to come out as town.

Ari I don't know what this means.

[Aristophanes]

Also you're not voting them so ???

Do you scumread DV more strongly? Is xof a backburner read for you?
Like not voting them but complaining about them being here and being scummy is, well, not a good look.

Ninja'd
This was @Creature