TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

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yes, i would shrug off the flip, though, because I would have been proven wrong.

I am proven wrong a lot of times, I don't believe wrong reads are bad reads, it's scum's job to make townies have wrong reads. It's staying wrong into a defeat that is the bad thing, which i do not believe to be the case here.

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If anyone thinks I've ever cared about what anyone perceives me as, I think that's just kinda funny

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I think you're wrong on Norwee.

If Norwee flips town, I'd probably go after Status.

Pine's in my 2nd pool for a reason, but I very much don't want Pine faded for reasons, and I find it incredibly scummy of Norwegian pushing there now.

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i've been ready to go after status for a while, but frankly, i don't think the thread needs that right now.

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i could be getting reverse paranoid of TGP because it feels like they are about to be a compromise wagon

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I think Norwee broke through what you perceive as town, but I have a different town style, and i look for different things than you.

You townread Ramcius and Myself and to an extent Pine, so I don't see how you can town read Norwegian as strongly as you do, which seems unreal (not by you, but like how it got put into your mind, if that makes sense)

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Really, I think your read on Norwegian is also a personal reason of mine why I think Norwegian is scum, but I obviously can't use that to convince anyone else besides myself

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yeah, i have no qualms with Ico, they were just annoying me

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I don't see a single thing pointing away from it.

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I don't see a single thing pointing away from it.

i'm tunneled, but it's because I think scum are protecting Norwegian, which makes sense.

If they are town, scum are still protecting Norwegian, but I guess Pine would lower if Norwegian is town

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Akarin, if you're a strong ish PR, scum might have role copped you or something, which could explain why Status is pushing you so hard

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i'm getting that type of vibe that scum really want Akarin faded

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Also, noting that Norwegian still didn't answer Akarin's questions, and they gave a response that is a blatant lie--they never explained that post, they decided to shade me instead back then.

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Akarin specifically wanted your thoughts at the time, doesn't matter if you were wrong, you're still avoiding the question

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I think Norwee broke through what you perceive as town, but I have a different town style, and i look for different things than you.

You townread Ramcius and Myself and to an extent Pine, so I don't see how you can town read Norwegian as strongly as you do, which seems unreal (not by you, but like how it got put into your mind, if that makes sense)

I am saying that none of my teammates are clamouring for Norwee’s head, so it isn’t just me. Had Pooky expressed any kind of suspicion on him - or ANY of my teammates for that matter - it’d be different but the fact is they’re not and I specifically asked for reads on Akarin, Norwee and TGP. And pressed Pooky specifically for his read on Norwee.

So that’s 4 people who are not seeing what you’re seeing. @FL

doesn't mean i'm not more likely to be correct

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i havent seen a single reason by you for town reading Norwegian either, Nancy

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nah, it's just one little chain link on the chain fence

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Really, I think your read on Norwegian is also a personal reason of mine why I think Norwegian is scum, but I obviously can't use that to convince anyone else besides myself

Why? And what about what I said about my teammates? Why do you think none of them are seeing what you’re seeing?

who are your teammates?

and because people blind

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oh, i care about what people think, it just doesn't mean i have to think they're right.

i town read people correctly specifically because Nancy scum reads them or vice versa, and sometimes we strong mindmeld, so to think i dont care about what Nancy says is just incorrect

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norwegian's been focused and force given the task and making sure I don't get momentum while trying to be town read by certain players

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i havent seen a single reason by you for town reading Norwegian either, Nancy

Then you’re not reading because I’ve given several.

this is possible

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i havent seen a single reason by you for town reading Norwegian either, Nancy

Why did you say this because I explained about Pooky and I quoted a Norwee post, so I don’t understand why you’d say this? I might have quoted another one as well but it’s not true that I haven’t given any reasons.

i forget, i dont disbelieve you here, nancy, i accept i was wrong there, and i havent even gone back to check to make sure, im just that sure i was wrong without having to go back and check based on your responses.

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nah i dont care about meta stuff like that, i know how much ive abused that stuff to never care about

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oh, i care about what people think, it just doesn't mean i have to think they're right.

i town read people correctly specifically because Nancy scum reads them or vice versa, and sometimes we strong mindmeld, so to think i dont care about what Nancy says is just incorrect

I am sometimes right you know. But others’ reads cause me to reacess, which is why I wanted my teammates’ input.

The one thing I don’t understand is why Norwee isn’t hard tr Ram because he’s extremely obvious town here.

i personally don't feel like arguing you with you, which i feel would happen if i read more of your posts, so the smaller your posts are the more likely i am to read them.

i dont read your posts well normally, the bigger ones because i feel we use different types of logic, and then us arguing lets scum hide, so i like to be back to back with you

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i need more salt

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i have a hydra coming up named Sweet and Salty, guess which I am

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sounds like jjh scum tbh

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i feel like you've done all the work for me, so that means you're doing all the work for pine's tahiti beach drinks

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I apologized to my team for my actions, but they trust my reasonings for pushing Norwegian. They're not super caught up here, though, because I'd rather just say my thoughts in the game thread, but they said they'd look into it more if I asked them to.

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I was scum in the last 2 team mafia's, and the 1st team mafia i was in, i was town who didn't talk to my teammates much, so ive never really talked with my teammates much in Team Mafia, so it's kind of just ingrained in me to play my game, ask for help when I want one of their opinions, but know they arent here inside the game.

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also, if anything, I feel more inclined to help teammates over the years that are scum rather than town, but I guess that could be just because of who I am

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hey, jjh is all knowing!!! unless he says im scum then he doesn't know anything

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Kidding, I actually think very highly of jjh as a player ^

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The political reads

the overreactions

the poor reasoning to town read TGP

the constant misrep and discredit of why they are being pushed.

Their lack of acknowledgement to multiple team options

they're setting up of misfades.

you've had political reads
you've had overreactions
you've had poor reasons for certain reads, or at least were 100% unwilling to explain them
you have definitely been misrepping/shading/discrediting other players
you literally had a PoE of like 6? or smt players so yeah the setting up misfades can be said about you as well

this entire post applies to you as well so no it's not very compelling

ive had zero political reads, if anyone thinks i ever cared what anyone thinks about me this game, i apologize if i gave you that impression

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im not setting up misfades either cuz i pool hunt, not target hunt,

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i will shade everyone when they deserved to be shaded

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ok another hot take

in a world with town!nancy, town!fl AND town!pine, which scumteam in their right minds shoots out of this bracket EVER?

that has to be suicide, even with a read on a potential pr crumb

i mean, pine's not getting shot. im probably not getting shot.

idk why we're considered most likely?

i would put you or Nancy.

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@Nancy - Ico was town reading me, what do you mean correct on Pine/Flavor?


Yeah, I thought DEB was town here. His read on me felt like how town him would read me.

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I think I'm faded if I claim, but i have the exact same role as BBmolla.

Doctor/Follow/Commute


Mikasa from Attack on Titan

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Norwegian called me out correctly, but I was trying to pull a night kill Night 1 because of the commute.

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Nah, I already knew Pine was a PR, so i think he's fine going last

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he made it decently obvious

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I commuted

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damn. =/ you had an inno on me, huh?

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I thought that might have been the case. That's unfortunate.

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like a disloyal shot targeting me, but i commuted, so it counters the inno. I felt it.

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Oka wants me to vote FL.

@FL, why does my team hate you so much, do you think?

Pooky says, if FL hasn’t caught scum by D3, whack him. lolololol

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Ico kill implies scum want Flavor-Norwegian to continue. Ico was becoming more open to fading Norwegian at the end, and saw that I was town, so while I can see Norwegian killing Ico, I don't think that was the best kill for him.

I don't know what would be, I just think it would have been good for Norwegian to keep Ico alive in case they came back after me.

I don't think they would, I just think Norwegian would think they would, if that makes sense.

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I'm a bit sus this could be some elaborate ploy to confirm you both town. And to say that i'm sceptical of another JOAT with the exact same powers as a Molla would be an understatement.
But i'll refrain from further commentary until seeing what Pine is going to come up with.

I mean, i could have just fake claimed if I was scum.

Thought about fake claiming as town, and if this wasn't team Mafia, I would have

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I'm a bit sus this could be some elaborate ploy to confirm you both town. And to say that i'm sceptical of another JOAT with the exact same powers as a Molla would be an understatement.
But i'll refrain from further commentary until seeing what Pine is going to come up with.

these are contradicting statements, Norwegian....

how is you being skeptical of a claim that I acknowledged was likely to get me faded be some ploy to get us town read.

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bruh, we in the arena right now, his ability as a discussion forum mod means nothing here

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I'm a bit sus this could be some elaborate ploy to confirm you both town. And to say that i'm sceptical of another JOAT with the exact same powers as a Molla would be an understatement.
But i'll refrain from further commentary until seeing what Pine is going to come up with.

these are contradicting statements, Norwegian....

how is you being skeptical of a claim that I acknowledged was likely to get me faded be some ploy to get us town read.

Well with the whole Pine did an action that you commuted thing. Which seems a bit convenient. But like i said, i'm waiting for all the claims.

he didn't. i thought he did, he said he didnt.

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i'll do some VCA in a bit

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TheGoldenParadox

(6) ~ Nancy Drew 39(286),

Akarin

(49), Ramcius(70),

Iconeum

(223), Mistyx(71), NorwegianboyEE(318)

-- HAMMER

NorwegianboyEE(2)

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hmm. At least 1 scum on the TGP, probably both, but not 100%

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@Nancy - Ico was town reading me, what do you mean correct on Pine/Flavor?


Yeah, I thought DEB was town here. His read on me felt like how town him would read me.

I’m not sure exactly what you mean? He said that he didn’t think you were aligned. Are you referring to something else?

i thought you were implying one of Pine and I were scum, which I don't think is the case.

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it has to be Norwegian or Mistyx from your perspective then nancy

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hmm. At least 1 scum on the TGP, probably both, but not 100%

All this means is that you don't think the scumteam is TSQ-Pine.

I mean, my VCA has been accurate a lot, Akarin, it's the other way.

I don't think it's TSQ-Pine because of the wagon.

I think Pine was townie prior.

Status does get a little townier now, though.

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@Nancy - Ico was town reading me, what do you mean correct on Pine/Flavor?


Yeah, I thought DEB was town here. His read on me felt like how town him would read me.

I’m not sure exactly what you mean? He said that he didn’t think you were aligned. Are you referring to something else?

i thought you were implying one of Pine and I were scum, which I don't think is the case.

That’s what Ico said. I can quote it for you but yeah I think you are too but my team - well Math and Oka doesn’t.

Well, Flavor Fever.

Mathblade already had it (I abused it when I was scum against them recently), and Okapoka always pushes me too when I'm town.)

Nancy, I also have to say, you don't look good by VCA, and I'm paranoid of a Nancy/Norwegian team right now.

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it has to be Norwegian or Mistyx from your perspective then nancy

Why from my perspective?

the TGP wagon has 4 unflipped players. If you think Ramcius is town, the only other 2 players on the wagon are Mistyx/Norwegian

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wagon analysis seems worse than useless.

hard disagree

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I think that's a generally bad take overall in Mafia.

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hmm. At least 1 scum on the TGP, probably both, but not 100%

All this means is that you don't think the scumteam is TSQ-Pine.

i dont understand the shading, either. It's good to have visible stuff in game regardless. You're just trying to actively shut down my analysis for some reason when I've proven over multiple years that I come to solves with stuff like this

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I think that's a generally bad take overall in Mafia.

I think this game is like the worst possible case for VCA being meaningful.

You really think there are never town-driven wagons on town? Bet you anything there have been some in this game. And in plenty of others.

yes, and that's the analysis part I go through...you figure out which are which.

That is the way that my brain works and how I find scum.

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I'm not shading you, but I think your approach is completely misguided.

I guess this just shows the gap between us if you can't comprehend it.

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i have more town solves than anyone on this site, akarin

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And VCA is one of my bread and butters

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I dont give a fuck about this game anymore.

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fade me.

Town deserves to lose

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Nancy, I really hate that about you, you know that.

My literal least favorite thing about you, and the part of your game that I think needs the most improvement. You're way too sensitive about being partially scum read in any sort of way.

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fucking overreaction.

I said im fucking paranoid of you.

Like honestly, im getting to the point I dont want to play with you.

I like you as a person, but I just cant play with you anymore with that mindset.

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like my entire town style is that I will look into every single person here.

I dont wanna fucking vote you.

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Like I don't like working towards solves with you. I actively dislike it.

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Frankly, you're delusional if you think I ever come after you as scum here in the position I am in this game.

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like even the slightest. the fact i even said that is why i dont trust your reads anymore

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it's not even me being mean, i just hate your overreactions to me saying im paranoid of you potentially being scum. there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, you're not a bad scum player, Nancy.

If you ever think I even hint at you being scum like that as actual scum, i dont know what to tell you.

right now, i think you coming after me is scum indicative because you thought I was gonna go agter you, but i cant even say that confidently because of how much you overreact to a paranoia read.

I'm one of the most overly paranoid townies on site, and question everything, and ill take a play out of your book, "you should know this about me by now"

i'm just tired of people in general overreacting to being scum read. It's the damn game

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like i dont even care about this game

everyone's just fucking posting at me and getting me all worked up constantly, nobody believes my reads even though I feel like my reads are actually the best in this game, even if NE ends up being town.

DEB being on the scum team guarantees scum made a plan to deal with me, even if it was super simple.

I'm just done

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Nancy being scum kinda just makes sense here, but if she's scum she just wins because we cant push her without her overreacting.

I think my Norwegian/Nancy paranoia is completely valid.

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fucking overreaction.

I said im fucking paranoid of you.

Like honestly, im getting to the point I dont want to play with you.

I like you as a person, but I just cant play with you anymore with that mindset.

There’s no reason to be mean to me.

I’m not unvoting unless you apologize to me for that. I don’t even gaf anymore. I’m really fucking sick and tired of all of the personal attacks. After all of your repugnant toxicity, you of all people don’t have to moral highground to judge me here.

I’m seriously pissed. BS sr me fine but I’m not fucking tolerating anything personal!

whatever nancy.

you created the scum read yourself, dont act like me saying the paranoia scum team is me scum reading you.

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everyone's just fucking posting at me and getting me all worked up constantly, nobody believes my reads even though I feel like my reads are actually the best in this game, even if NE ends up being town.

Who is scum in your world if i'm town again?
What are currently these best reads of yours?

if you're town, it's probably Mistyx/Nancy.

I'm getting faded this day phase, though.

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Nancy being scum kinda just makes sense here, but if she's scum she just wins because we cant push her without her overreacting.

Nah man, i highly doubt scum!Nancy plays like this.

then idk.

i've stopped caring, Norwegian.

I don't think it's Pine.

That's all I got for you.

I'm willing to let you lead elsewhere at this point

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The fact that Creature also wanted Nancy to have more pressure does make me feel better about my paranoia, alongside Nancy's push because I brought up the possibility of being paranoid.

Honestly, i just cant play with players like that anymore. Norwegian overreacted, but at least it felt like a duel, ya know.

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I'm willing to let you lead elsewhere at this point

You're willing to let me lead? I thought you scumread me boi.

@Nancy Have you claimed yet? We need you to claim so Pine can do whatever it is they need to do.

i told you, my reads switch like every day phase when im town.

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While I'm not like sold on you being town, im not sold on you being scum either, and that's how I am with every slot right now.

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Ftr @FL I seriously now fuckiing hate you and I don’t want to be friends with you anymore.

Don't even know what I did.

I said I hate that you overreact to every single tiny aspect of being pushed, which is a true statement by me, meaning nothing personal by it.


@Norwegian - that's exactly what ScumGamma said to me in that one game, by the way, where you hard pushed me as scum as well.

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I popcorn to Nancy

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@Norwegian - that's exactly what ScumGamma said to me in that one game, by the way, where you hard pushed me as scum as well.

No i was town in that game.

Yes, that was a town reasoning for you

You pushed me as scum as town

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and Gamma did the "no longer friends thing" as scum to me

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I'm not really hard pushing you right now, my main gripes is with Pine. But i'm waiting for their claim.

but you did.



norwegian, like im town reading you more for the derps, and maybe it's just me not explaining it correctly, but You, as town, pushed me, also town, along with Taylor and Gamma, both scum, where I was rude af to Gamma, and he dropped the "no longer friends" line on me.

is what I'm getting at.

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if you think me saying you overreacted to a slight scum push and need to work on that part of your game is toxic, then idk what to tell ya.

i dont need the respect of others like most people

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i need to work on not getting worked up by players trying to work me up

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Tell @Auro I’m 100% fucking serious about that. He knows I’m not kidding. Go ahead fucking ask him, I god damn dare you!

i believe even if you were scum you would be 100% serious about it

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I'm not gonna be apologizing.

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Sorry, dont think i was toxic at all there. It's something I have against your play, you have stuff against my play, and honestly, that's fine.

Overreaction to scum reads is a general thing I think needs to go away.

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norwegian, like im town reading you more for the derps, and maybe it's just me not explaining it correctly, but You, as town, pushed me, also town, along with Taylor and Gamma, both scum, where I was rude af to Gamma, and he dropped the "no longer friends" line on me.

That is true, but i've got also another meta case where Nancy goes on a similar rant like this to Shirou in Dung Beetle and they were town vs scum!Shirou in that game so i'm not exactly keeping tabs on the "no longer friends" statement as a reliable tell for scum.

yeah, im not either, i just like to make cases on everyone, ya know.

which is another reason I hate when people overreact to the idea that they could be scum.

I will case a confirmed townie and push them if I think there's a chance they could be scum.

Nancy knows this.

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I'm not talking to you, Nancy, you dont have to read my posts.

And I doubt that you're not reading them, you're just not responding to them

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talking like what'?

saying you overreact?

you do overreact, this isn't an opinion.

I don't mean that in a toxic way at all, it just hits you differently, I guess

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Do you want me to coddle you and tell you it's alright? I don't think it's alright. I don't think it's alright when I overreact to stuff either, but I do it sometimes.

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Me telling you my thoughts on where you should improve is not mean spirited.

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i can do a list of everything i think everyone in this game should improve on, including me.

you lot think im not self aware of where i need to improve? lol

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it's Nancy's turn to claim.

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Everyone tries to discredit me by going "i dont think that's a reliable scum tell"

but like, i do 5-6 of them, and do a bunch of those things and put them together.

so no, i never will push just one thing as a scum tell, so please dont assume i am calling someone scum ever for one thing.

it is a culmination of an entire game of actions that i read people off of.

i have caught people who have been universally town read, even by me, and then flipped on a dime and found them as scum because of it.

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You want me to apologize even though I say exactly what's on my mind?

I'll apologize if you want me to, but like, it doesn't change my thoughts

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I'm setup to be misfade today, and I dont even have Ico to play the middle with me.

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I guess I'll actually try and make a scum case on Nancy then, just to see if there's more merit to the paranoia. Creature wanting pressure there makes me feel nicer about it anyways

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fucking overreaction.

I said im fucking paranoid of you.

Like honestly, im getting to the point I dont want to play with you.

I like you as a person, but I just cant play with you anymore with that mindset.

This is what I want the apology for and I don’t even gaf if you try to miselim me. I really hope you wouldn’t be stupid to do that as town but if you’re scum here, then I’m not forgiving you for killing Ico instead of me.

where is the toxicity there?

me saying fuck is not toxic

i even said so sweet that I like you as a person.

I just really hate that nobody can scum read you without you getting upset. Why is that wrong?

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zoraster

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~ thestatusquo(194), NorwegianboyEE(190), Mistyx(70),

BBMolla

(80), Nancy Drew 39(316),

Iconeum

(207),

Flavor Leaf

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-- HAMMER

Akarin

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~ Ramcius(63), Pine(25),

zoraster

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BBMolla

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TheGoldenParadox

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Akarin

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i can do a list of everything i think everyone in this game should improve on, including me.

you lot think im not self aware of where i need to improve? lol

After the game I would actually really appreciate seeing this for me, btw. Other than "post more."

Yeah, you come off as really obv town in some posts, but other posts just doesn't make that much sense. I feel like you second guess, or just aren't confident in reads, so i feel like scum can take advantage of you easily.

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zoraster

(7)

~ thestatusquo(194), NorwegianboyEE(190), Mistyx(70),

BBMolla

(80), Nancy Drew 39(316),

Iconeum

(207),

Flavor Leaf

(217)

-- HAMMER

Akarin

(3)

~ Ramcius(63), Pine(25),

zoraster

(26)

BBMolla

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TheGoldenParadox

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Akarin

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Ramcius(1)

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Dr Easy Bake

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TheGoldenParadox

(6) ~ Nancy Drew 39(286),

Akarin

(49), Ramcius(70),

Iconeum

(223), Mistyx(71), NorwegianboyEE(318)

-- HAMMER

NorwegianboyEE(2)

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(420), Pine(56)

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TheGoldenParadox

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Akarin

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~ thestatusquo(90)


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Nancy, Mistyx, Norwegian on both wagons, there's scum in there.

tinfoil of Ramcius scum and them wanting Nancy-FL to continue here.

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I also feel I was way more of a dick to Norwegian

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i did not, lol

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and if I did, i would say i did here

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You are correct, nancy, i don't think you are scum here.

i think you have a chance of being scum here.

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there's not a single slot in this game besides Akarin i dont think have a chance of being scum here.

I was correct about Akarin yesterday, and the fact she was a PR.

I was correct about Pine yesterday, and the fact he was a PR.

i may not have the scum reads correct completely, but im good at collecting townies.

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You want me to apologize even though I say exactly what's on my mind?

I'll apologize if you want me to, but like, it doesn't change my thoughts

Yes, I want you too because it was mean and hurt my feelings and I also want you to retract that comment not the bs scumread but the other one.

the one where I said I think you overreact too much?

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because I said I dislike playing with you because I can't scum read you even a tiny bit without you getting all mad?

Sorry, Nancy, I will scum read at one point in every single game I ever play with you.

That's just something you're gonna have to accept.

I will scum read essentially everyone at one point during a game.


People say I scum read everyone so i can go back and say i solved the game at one point, which in a way, is true.

I make sure I solve the game at one point, but I have to figure out which one point that is.

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like, nancy, you were slight town reading DEB, you pushed through the TGP wagon pretty hard when other wagons were here, and you were the 5th vote on Zoraster.

in what world should I just automatically give you a free pass here?

Like could that happen as town, yeah sure, if you're town, that's exactly what happened, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't look into it.

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fucking overreaction.

I said im fucking paranoid of you.

Like honestly, im getting to the point I dont want to play with you.

I like you as a person, but I just cant play with you anymore with that mindset.

This post. I’m trying to forget it even exists but can’t.

what's the issue.

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because I have a hard time playing with you?

I didn't know that was new.

You constantly defend every single push I do, and I'm right a lot of the times, I can't be suspicious of you ever because you think I specifically should have some magic read on you, even though you know I'm the type of person to tunnel townies one at a time, what's the issue there

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I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, you're still my Paris, Nance.

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i'm not afraid to say it how it is, and I found out recently that apparently I have an intimidating presence, which I get, I'm a pretty confident person, even in real life I'm pretty good at rallying the crowd, but yeah, I feel like people take things to heart much more seriously when it's coming from me for some reason

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@Nancy - you always try to defend yourself against me in ways my brain just doesnt work

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i still dont know what the personal attack was

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im not trying to say you're not funny or adorable!

you just playstyle clash with me so hard

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what's CoD

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ObvPR Pine going last

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what's CoD

Cards of Destiny

i have zero recollection of this game

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wait, was that Maria's unbalanced game that was my first game back on site after 6 months

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i hate to say that i dont lose as scum unless the setup is super town sided at this point in my mafia career except on rare occasions.

I did lose one recently after rolling 7 scum games in a row, though, but the ones i'm more talking about are Pooky vs FL super town sided, that return game where you caught me super town sided, and then Ydrasse's game I dont even wanna get into.

but yeah, past year that's what it was.

Last year's Team Mafia was a slip by me, that wasn't a setup, i actually REALLY liked the large theme setup last year

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ive seen scum you like twice, idk why you think i know scum you

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i cant even remember the second time

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yeah, that was just one of those games that was played really well by scum, but setup doesn't allow scum to win. like Pooky vs FL.

We played pretty perfectly (for the most part), but the setup trapped scum completely.

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welp, im getting venged

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remaining scum are in Status/Ramcius/Norwegian.

Whenever Pine comes on to finish mass claim, you ready to do this Mistyx?

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ive seen scum you like twice, idk why you think i know scum you

But you do and should know town!me. Scum!me doesn’t try to get clears on town because I’m not an idiot. Scum!me doesn’t try to re-evaluate Zor’s post. Like read my scumgames, it’s really blatantly obvious that I’m town here.

im not even scum pushing you, i said i was PARANOID of you/Norwegian, then started looking into a bit more when you were pushing me

that's exactly what im talking about, Nancy

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welp, im getting venged

I plan on treating this as a second elim

Use hurt tags to vote for who I should kill, all actual votes should go on me and only me

HURT: Flavor

im just gonna get misfaded eventually anyways.

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Getting rid of Misfade possibilities is a pretty strong tool for town

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like i dont wanna risk Mistyx venging elsewhere, and hitting town.

I think town always loses this game if I'm alive in lylo tomorrow.

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yeah it was a good game

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i mean, Mistyx is town here 100% of the time

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we do it for the venge really.

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we do it for the venge really.

So you want to lim Misty and have them venge you, even though you think they are town and supposedly know you are town as well?
What’s your goal here?

eliminate misfade possibilities.

Akarin, Nancy, Norwegian, Status, Pine, Ramcius would be final 6, likely, Akarin probably dies.

I'm just gonna be misfaded this game sometime.


Nancy/Norwegian/Status/Pine/Ramcius

who, besides Pine, do you misfade before me, Norwegian?

Now that I look at it, that probably loses us the game too if Pine is town.

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alternatively, I still have my doc shot

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we do it for the venge really.

So you want to lim Misty and have them venge you, even though you think they are town and supposedly know you are town as well?
What’s your goal here?

eliminate misfade possibilities.

Akarin, Nancy, Norwegian, Status, Pine, Ramcius would be final 6, likely, Akarin probably dies.

I'm just gonna be misfaded this game sometime.


Nancy/Norwegian/Status/Pine/Ramcius

who, besides Pine, do you misfade before me, Norwegian?

Now that I look at it, that probably loses us the game too if Pine is town.

How is Akarin ever a misfade? She shot DEB, Why is my name first on your list?

im just listing the non confirmed, Nancy, my reads werent involved in that.

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i never said akarin was a misfade, i said she likely dies tonight.

That was with the idea of Mistyx venging today

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I have absolutely no clue where Status and Ramcius' reads are at

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i wonder if Status and Ramcius early game was scum theatre

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@Nancy - fypov it has to be Norwegian and Status then, meaning my 2/3 was correct

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i think Ico was killed because they were more likely to protect me than anyone else in the game, and Nancy and I were town reading DEB.

Like, I dont think actual scum ever town reads DEB now that I think about it, so my paranoia with Nancis is fading again

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ASTAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

I have an alt from that anime

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Not gonna lie, Jailkeeper is the exact role that I thought would make sense for scum to have here, but i still like Pine

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it's 3 town JOATS.

You guys see my conundrum with why I think I should be venged.

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i am starting to think Norwegian is a Scum JOAT based on them seemingly thinking that scum had to have a JOAT and pushed me for it earlier. I personally have been gut reading Norwegian as town since end of Day 2, but i do think Norwegian/Nancy look the worst on VCA, and some of the posts theyve made. However, I can see them both doing those posts as town.

JOAT's a fluff role, it looks like a lot of power, but it's really limited because we're just 1-shots of everything, and then using what on certain nights.

I think the JK claim is real, even if it's scum here.

Thrill on a No Kill kinda mentality.

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JOAT
JOAT
JOAT
1-shot Neighbor
Vengeful
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla

JK or Vanilla added on to town.

1-shot Strongman
maf
maf

we're actually not that powerful. the joats have a bunch of fluff roles.

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forgot the vig

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JOAT
JOAT
JOAT
1-shot Neighbor
Vengeful
Novice 1-shot Vig
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla

JK or Vanilla added on to town.

1-shot Strongman
maf
maf

yeah, that's 6, maybe 7 PR's, but the only actual strong one is JK, if town.

Our Doctor shots can mess up the vig kill too, and jailkeep can protect.

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wagonomics says Status/Pine are not both scum, we went through this.

Norwegian, Ramcius have 1 scum in them likely with 1 in Status, Pine.

However, I think Norwegian/Ramcius could also be a possible team which would explain why Ramcius dipped off of the Norwegian wagon and helped TGP gain momentum, and that could have been Norwegian vs Ramcius bussing, because i never really went into that exchange even though I wanted to, and it kind of just disappeared

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Ascetic 1-shot BP would be really powerful in this setup for scum, not that i think that exists, just doing some game design stuff

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i am starting to think Norwegian is a Scum JOAT based on them seemingly thinking that scum had to have a JOAT and pushed me for it earlier. I personally have been gut reading Norwegian as town since end of Day 2, but i do think Norwegian/Nancy look the worst on VCA, and some of the posts theyve made. However, I can see them both doing those posts as town.

JOAT's a fluff role, it looks like a lot of power, but it's really limited because we're just 1-shots of everything, and then using what on certain nights.

I think the JK claim is real, even if it's scum here.

Thrill on a No Kill kinda mentality.

Why do I look bad on VCA? And should it make me suspicious that it’s practically obvious to everyone else but apparently you and Ram that I’m very obviously town here?

yes, but not of us.

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you're just on the 5th spot of zoraster wagon, which is like the over the hump VCA, and lead the TGP wagon.

Like, I'm thinking of creating a puzzle system out of VCA, I've seen Mastina post one before, and I kinda wanna do something like that, but have players compete against scoring the best in a purely VCA type of way.

I think this current era of mafia, people like to really push away VCA (and that's been in other eras as well) but I feel like a lot of current players have absolutely no idea how to do wagonomics and VCA.

That's kind of my whole playstyle in a way, not necessarily that, but I like to see the game from an outside perspective, unbiased completely, then i like to dive into my placeholder spot in the gamestate, and use my gift of gab to persuade the gamestate in a different direction to see which way scum tries to balance it out again. And I look at each individual instance of those situations, and then lay them out on top of each other, and see which slots are effecting it because they have a different agenda.

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i also try to make a connection with every player in the game in some way, and feel it out when i feel they're lying or making something up.

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So like...there's a lot of things I think look really townie, but at the end of the day, are incredibly scummy.

I kind of did that in a Newbie game where I was scum, that scarred me for life, because I was just so able to go that entire game just doing things that look townie while running the game.


How To Open Wolf 101 is real, and that'll be my next scum guide, because no matter what, scum always do things that are scum indicative, some people just can look insanely townie to people, and actively work the pockets.

And I think knowing when you're being pocketed is really important. It's not bad to be pocketed, you just gotta break out of it if you are being pocketed. ive caught players who were trying pocket attempts on me before, Ilicit Substances, PlusJoyed AND Bork, gottem both within a day and a half, even though they were in my town block Day 1.

Scum have to do things to get you to town read them, they just do.

Not relevant, just thinking bout stuff

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oh, right, I'm thinking about the possibility of me being pocketed by Pine, but my gut really town reads him. Like, I feel this soul read, and it kinda feels like how Krazy and I were in TENET, we KNEW each other were town...and then I started to get paranoia...

So that also makes me gut read Pine as town.


But I was actively thinking that scum had a JK like right before Pine claimed it. Like earlier today. I dont remember where, but I wonder if this game was getting setup that way.

So I'm trying to look objectively on a non personal level on why people could be scum, and Nancy has a pull, but maybe she has a pull as town, I see that, it just does look similar to a scum controlling the game, and that happens sometimes, don't yell at me.


Pine pocketing me and then this whole game being scum hiding behind me....also makes sense.

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hmm...

ramcius, what do you think? Can Norwegian and Pine both be town?

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Nancy, i literally claimed I had the same role as Molla WHEN I claimed

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I think I'm faded if I claim, but i have the exact same role as BBmolla.

Doctor/Follow/Commute


Mikasa from Attack on Titan

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Nancy, i literally claimed I had the same role as Molla WHEN I claimed

You also keep trying to get me miselimed eventhough I’m obvtown to everyone but you and Ram. Even Shea - who’s never played with me before can see that.

Okay, who did you doc?

WHEN THE FUCK DID I EVER FUCKING TRY TO GET YOU ELIMINATED I DIDNT FUCKING SAY THE ONCE

pissing me the hell off with that reading comprehension

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like im literally about to blow the fuck up right now, Nancy, so like...

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I actively will never town read you.

In any game.

In game ever, I will never town read you for the entire game.

I dont care if you are a mason

That is not how i fucking play

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if a cop innos you

i will tinfoil you being scum

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if you are flipped ic

i will tinfoil you as scum

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i dont care one fucking bit how you think you are acting, i dont care about how people act or post.

i dont care about the majority of the way you read players, it just isnt how i play the game and you need to see that players can have a different style from you.

i have answered everything you are asking already, none of what you aere asking is new

you can go look for it yourself

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like the way you fucking post at me like that actively triggers me and makes me WANT to scum read you. that is the type of thing that will set me off and makes me come after you

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because you trigger me when you post at me like that

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and im not okay with you acting like that's an end all be all for me, i do not see it that way, i do not know how to read you that way, do you understand? You are overestimating my ability to read town you when i dont remember a single scum game by you that you werent in a hydra

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thats just how i am Nancy, you should know i push confirmed townies....

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commuted n1, followed Norwegian n2 nowhere - i actually didn't claim that one, i just thought i did, so i apologize for the outburst there

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You’re the one who’s been pushing ME against all reason this entire day.

I am not pushing you.

I have actively said where I think scum is, and you were not in it.

I have made cases against you.

That is not the same thing.

This is on you to realize.

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this is not me hard pushing you.

This is me slightly grazing up against you in a crowded area, and then apologizing afterwards

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why do i feel this is way more sensitive than if it was someone else pushing you

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if i gave you an inkling of a thought that i was expecting to prove my action, then i apologize for that too.

i have actively said im probably today's fade and for mistyx to venge me for a reason, Nancy Drew.

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i’m very obvious town here and you more than anyone should know that sr me especially when I’m bleeding obvtown pings my scumdar off of the freaking charts.

honestly, i probably would be seeing you as obv town if you didn't say this line that triggers me.

i say it too sometimes, but it triggers me when i say it too

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every time i see that line, it like adds another weight onto the scum balance for me, it just is a trigger

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i have no reason to argue with here and spend literally all day with you as scum here, and YOU should see that

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And I dont think you should be surprised that I react this strongly either, so i dont know why YOU are seeing this as a surprise.

I can't read with someone who reacts this way towards me because I will sit here all day going against you.

Something that YOU should see.

This is a 2 way thing, Nancy, it's not all about you.

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you're back to back with me so much you seem to forget what it's like

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when I think

I’m really obvious town

here's the thing, Nancy Drew.

That bolded part, does not matter. It doesn't matter how you think about your slot. I have pushed a literal Innocent Child Skitter to the point she had to flip on Day 1 before because stuff wasn't lining up in my head, so i convinced myself they were scum.

It doesn't matter if you think you are obv town.

I am literally town reading you despite saying you look scummy by VCA.

Me making a scum case IS NOT ME PUSHING YOU AS SCUM

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But especially from you because you’ve only done that to me as scum

Once, and how'd that work out for me.

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dont try and meta me, Nancy, you'll get burned every time

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this is the longest, most aggressive date we've ever been on

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well, good, cuz im bleeding town

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yeah, sounds like something id do as town, which is probably why i did it as scum

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idk my scum game is just me doing things id do as town, but then choosing an agenda behind it

i have absolutely no agenda whatsoever this game, i even got pushed most of this game for not playing this game

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well, good, cuz im bleeding town

So who’s scum then? It’s not me, Akarin or Misty.

Nor/Pine/Status/Ramcius


Your guess is as good as mine at this point

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you see how I can gut read Pine as town, and still have him here?

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like i said, joat's a fluff role for balancing purposes. fluff is very hard to be dominant one way or another because town technically can have power, but the likelihood it's gonna damn scum is low, it doesn't matter. if something good comes out of it, it just seems like a good action.

Molla and I's roles have like extremely low value with a vig because it means that if scum get a no kill by accident, a vig could still even the odds. if DEB was town, scum would be in a really good place right now.

It's a Thrill on a No Kill setup.

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well, good, cuz im bleeding town

So who’s scum then? It’s not me, Akarin or Misty.

Nor/Pine/Status/Ramcius


Your guess is as good as mine at this point

I’m going to guess maybe one scum in PR claims, maybe the other amongst vts, because DEB flipped scum PR.

I could see all scum being PR's of some sort

If Pine is town, then they definitely do, but id agree it's still in the Vanilla claims.

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I'm sorry. I didn't mean it on a personal level. You just go against everything I say, and I can't even push you as an ounce of possibility of being scum for it. I have to just accept that you're town.

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scum probably have a 1-shot Ninja and then damn, a JK just really fits there. Piiiiiiiiinneeeeee, ugh. I dont think that was scum you coming after me after knowing i shouldnt have got a result, but i feel like i'd have been a high roleblock target that night too

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yeah, if a no kill happened same night as Akarin's vig going through, a follow on akarin would be a hard guilty